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Loughner Mug Shot Released

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From ABC15:

The suspect in a deadly Tucson shooting is being held without bail
and has been assigned a lawyer who defended Oklahoma City bombing
conspirator Timothy McVeigh.

Jared Loughner entered the courtroom
Monday handcuffed and wearing a tan inmate uniform. His head is shaved
and he has a cut on his right temple.

Loughner made his initial
court appearance in federal court at 2 p.m. at the Sandra Day O’Connor
U.S. Courthouse, while state charges have yet to be filed.

The court set Loughner’s preliminary hearing for Jan. 24.

ABC15’s Corey Rangel was at the courthouse this afternoon. Stay with ABC15 throughout the day for updates.

described as a social outcast with wild beliefs steeped in mistrust
faces a federal court hearing on charges he tried to assassinate Rep.
Gabrielle Giffords in the Tucson shooting rampage that left six people
dead and wounded 14 others.

His expression was impassive as he
walked in, looked straight at the crowd at the back of the room packed
with reporters, then turned around to speak to his attorney, Judy
Clarke. He responded "yes" when asked if he understood his rights.



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Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:21 | 865286 jaap
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conehead bitchez...

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:33 | 865328 furieus
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Mickey Knox wannabe, bitchez

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:50 | 865391 andybev01
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A young uncle Fester.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:18 | 865476 Agent P
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I hate to look for any humor in all of this...but that was pretty damn funny.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:24 | 865659 Thomas
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Young Bill Seidman.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:44 | 865713 Cursive
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Good eye, Thomas.  The resemblance is eerily similar.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:22 | 865832 BigJim
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Looks like a textbook teapartier to me.


Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:35 | 865876 BigJim
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According to this:

she was Jewish.

As well as being a nut, I wonder if he was an anti-Semite?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:59 | 865935 Problem Is
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CIA MK Ultra, Harris-Klebold Ambien drugged-up patsy...

Your tax dollars at work, bitchez...

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 03:44 | 866269 benb
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MK Ultra- Agreed . You can’t fool some of the people all of the time…any more. This was a Fed Hit.


Worth the read - the Kremlin version: Top US Federal Judge Assassinated After Threat To Obama Agenda




Tue, 01/11/2011 - 01:57 | 866275 benb
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He is reported to have mumbled in class about Mind Control constantly. He would walk into class and ask people “Do you believe in Mind control.”

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 03:06 | 866513 benb
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“Phosgene gas the reason for John P. Wheeler III's murder and birds falling from the sky?” Interesting report and some very scary stuff… if it was a weapons test it was being done in multiple locations besides Arkansas. Or maybe it was a combination of tests and/or accidents including H.A.A.R.P. When the Blackbirds fell out of the sky with their insides emulsified and the ones in Europe dropped dead with blue liquid seeping from their beaks the government explanations were pathetic. Wayne Madsen ties Wheeler to the Minot A.F. Base missing nukes and suspects Wheeler’s knowledge on that may have been the reason for his murder. Bottom Line - we are being lied to on just about everything.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:27 | 866008 NumberNone
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Story is that his mother was also Jewish...Freud anyone?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:26 | 866157 Betty Swallsack
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Not when he is Jewish himself and, apparently, these two attended the same synagogue.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:51 | 865736 lead salad
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Very interesting.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:42 | 866033 flacon
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Loughner Still on Posting on Youtube! WTF?


What the hell is going on guys?! This is VERY UNUSUAL.

"Sonya, they started circulating a video yesterday & they were showing that the congresswoman was a sub to his channel & I looked at her last login & it was 16 hours earlier & it was last night. She was laying in? the hospital. There is some weird things going on. This is bigger than we know.? Thanks! I didn't know that someone was on his too. hmmmm

xeena67 1 sec ago"



Tue, 01/11/2011 - 11:04 | 866999 bobboberson
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Looks like somebody duplicated the profile using capital letters.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:33 | 865871 Hephasteus
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Rusty is just a gold mine.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:06 | 865613 Thorny Xi
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skinhead nutball ... though he does kinda look like a cop ...

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:42 | 866196 Printfaster
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Jewish skinhead?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:56 | 866231 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Who is Hitler.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 01:11 | 866366 Oh regional Indian
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Anyone notice strange little things like the guys name, sounds like Loner.

Loner. Lone gunman. Loan Gunman. 

Weirder by the day, the drama that is unfolding in the US of A.

Gun control anyone? If you are a registered gun-owner, NRA or no NRA, you just might get a call.

I'm into air guns myself.  


Tue, 01/11/2011 - 20:04 | 868648 UncleFester
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You rang...(to borrow a line from a friend).

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:38 | 865538 Clayton Bigsby
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wonder if he'll be smiling like that when they're strapping his bitch ass into the guerney - my guess is, probably

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:32 | 865673 gaoptimize
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Uncle Fester.  I already composited.  How can I upload!

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:35 | 865683 1223pm
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He need not to worry if dollar is backed by gold or not.

There is no inflation or hyperinflation in jail.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:10 | 866110 cxl9
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Not, strictly speaking, true. There are the usual monetary phenomena. When I was in prison (early 2000s, Federal), cans of tuna fish were a standard unit of exchange, mainly because of their durability, widespead appeal, and utility. They were often traded for services. For example, a cell-cleaning cost two cans of tuna. At the beginning of my stay, the tuna cost $1.25/ea in the prison commissary; at the end they were $1.75. The price of a cell-cleaning was still two cans, but because of the dollar-peg the price went up 40%.

I maintained the books for several gambling operations (because I was numerate, and known to keep my mouth shut). Inmates would run up big gambling debts which would have to be satisfied with large commissary purchases, funded by an influx of money from foreign sources (outside the prison): inflation. Occasionally large debts would be written off if the debtor was transferred or released. Or the commissary might be closed unexpectedly for a couple weeks, which led to drawdowns in the stock of barter items such as tuna cans and postage stamps: deflation.

Make no mistake. Prison is a microcosm of the greater outside economy. The same laws still apply.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:58 | 865933 Billy Shears
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SPACE MONKEY!!!!!!!!!!

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:15 | 865985 FoodTiger
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Nuck, nuck, nuck!

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 01:45 | 866433 Clayton Bigsby
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You honkeys wanna know what I love about this site?  People can post anything-the-fuck-they-want-to - I just spent 3 hours on the huffington post dicksuck party and couldn't get one post through - and here, nobody gives a fuck - if there were picture posts, I could probably post a picture of my balls and I might get junked and I'm sure somebody would say they were misshapen or small or something - but you know what, that picture of my balls would get through - three cheers for zerohedge and the free motherfucking exchange of ideas motherfuckers...

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:24 | 865294 CrazyCooter
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My god, the first thing that entered my mind upon seeing that mug shot was ... he looks like a congressman.


Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:24 | 865299 gwar5
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You're shittin' me! 

That Dewd had two accomplices -- Mo and Larry are out loose just running around somewhere

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:25 | 865300 xenophobe51
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That's a space monkey if ever I saw one.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:25 | 865301 Sudden Debt
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How can one stay mad to a pretty face like that.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:25 | 865302 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Looks pleased with himself. Happy place the U.S. these days.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:00 | 865429 arnoldsimage
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the reason he looks pleased with himself is he's long the market and knows no one is going to stop the fraud thingy.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:27 | 865305 Teapot_Dome
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he looks like guy from the Goonies.

Same lawyer as McVeigh... Wonder when that deal was established.  At least we know he won't get a fair trial.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:37 | 865335 jaap
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Same lawyer as many more patsies....

Her past engagements include Zacarias Moussaoui, currently serving time in the federal Supermax facility in Colorado for his role in the 9/11 attacks; “Unibomber” Ted Kaczynski; Atlanta Olympics bomber Eric Rudolph;


Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:39 | 865360 Cognitive Dissonance
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Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:22 | 865491 TheGoodDoctor
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No shit? The list grows. Weird.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:28 | 865841 fallingman
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>> assigned a lawyer who defended Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Timothy McVeigh.

@ least that fucker Dr. Louis Jolyon West is dead this time ...

Sun, 01/23/2011 - 09:22 | 896962 jjflash
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Hello, fallingman! As your time allows, please consider browsing the site linked below where I am a mod. Your input on the site would be welcomed and encouraged.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:33 | 865872 fallingman
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>> assigned a lawyer who defended Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Timothy McVeigh.

@ least that fucker Dr. Louis Jolyon is dead this time ...

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:06 | 865951 Problem Is
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“Unibomber” Ted Kaczynski;"

Aelx Cockburn and Jeff St. Clair uncovered Kaczynski's name in FOIA CIA papers marked MK-Ultra relating to Kaczynski's student days at Harvard in the early 60s.

Just a coincidence...

Move along nothing to see here says "Dick" Cheney's godson Porter Goss...

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 05:26 | 866620 Confused
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Yes, well known at this point, thank you for bringing it up. It makes this little theatrical event that much more offensive.


Kacynski's ideas weren't really all that radical either. His methods are another story though.....



Tue, 01/11/2011 - 01:12 | 866359 palmereldritch
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The list goes back even farther:

Donald Ewen Cameron and MKULTRA

(John Simkin, Author)


Cameron continued to work for the OSS and in February 1945, Allen Dulles sent him to Germany to examine Rudolf Hess in order to assess if he was fit to stand trial at Nuremberg. According to one source, Dulles had told Cameron, that he believed the Hess he was about to examine was not the real Hess and that he had already been executed on the orders of Winston Churchill. (Gordon Thomas, Journey into Madness, 1993, pages 167-68). Hess spent time with Hess and confirmed that he was not mentally ill and that he should stand trial.

When Rudolf Hess came face to face with Herman Göring at Nuremberg, Hess remarked: “Who are you”? Göring reminded him of events that they witnessed in the past but Hess continued to insist that he did not know this man. Karl Haushofer was then called in but even though they had been friends for twenty years, Hess once again failed to remember him. Hess replied “I just don’t know you, but it will all come back to me and then I will recognise an old friend again. I am terribly sorry.” (Peter Padfield, Hess: The Führer’s Disciple, page 305).

Hess did not recognise other Nazi leaders. Ribbentrop responded by suggesting that Hess was not really Hess. When told of something that Hess had said he replied: “Hess, you mean Hess? The Hess we have here?” (J. R. Rees, The Case of Rudolf Hess, page 169).

However, Major Douglas M. Kelley, the American psychiatrist who was responsible for Hess during the trials, stated that he did have periods when he did remember his past. This included a detailed account of his flight to Scotland. Hess told Kelley that he had arrived without the knowledge of Hitler. Hess claimed that “only he could get the English King or his representatives to meet with Hitler and make peace so that millions of people and thousands of villages would be spared.” (J. R. Rees, The Case of Rudolf Hess, page 168).

One suggestion is that Hess was pretending he had amnesia and was trying to distance himself from the actions of his fellow Nazis. This does not make any sense to me. In fact, the documentary record shows that he was not guilty of war crimes. In fact, most of the war crimes took place after he had left Germany in 1941.

Did Hess amnesia have anything to do with Cameron's visit. I would argue that Cameron had been sent to Nuremberg to help Churchill and the British intelligence services with a problem. Cameron’s task was to remove Hess’s memory of past events. This is why Hess was unable to recognize his former friends and colleagues at Nuremberg. Cameron next job was to provide Hess with a new memory about events dating back to May 1941. That is why Hess is able to provide Major Douglas M. Kelley with a comprehensive account of his trip to Scotland.

The problem with this brainwashing experiment was that there was no way of knowing how long Hess would be able to remember the past as provided by Dr. Cameron. That is why Hess had to be kept in solitary confinement for the rest of his life. That is the reason why Hess was not allowed to talk about anything that happened before 1945 with anybody, including his own family.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 05:24 | 866618 Confused
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When I first read this list, I said it couldn't be possible. Strange indeed. 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:18 | 865478 Deacon Frost
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Remind you of "Taxi Driver"?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:20 | 865484 DocLogo
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Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:41 | 865698 Saxxon
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+1 teapot dome. They got that one wired up quickly.  Need to make sure he gets the Nut Case's Lawyer so everyone in the U.S. knows this is just ANOTHER NUT CASE and can move on.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:26 | 865308 ElvisDog
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That fucker looks like he couldn't be happier. I'm glad AZ is a death penalty state.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:29 | 865311 Aknownymouse
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Ya - I would like to see his mugshot right before the chair - or whatever else they use.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:22 | 865488 Hearst
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While some today may call it barbaric, a good 'ol fashion public hanging would send a far stronger message than all this 'lets tone the rhetoric' crap that's going around.  Public hangings deter criminals.  

Nowadays murders sit on death row for years if not decades receiving three meals a day on the taxpayer.  And when they are finally executed the whole matter has long ago died down.  A fast public hanging says 'you murder, we hang you the following Saturday'

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:34 | 865521 Korbin Dallas
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Well further back in time he'd be on stick, grins 'n' all.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:25 | 865662 trav7777
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I dunno who is more mentally ill, Loughner or this forum...he's a schizo and this forum is bipolar between DEMANDING violent revolution and then when someone does pull the trigger, demanding that the State summarily execute him.  Idiots.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:40 | 865696 Hearst
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The State ought send a clear message to murders.  This guy doesn't sound 'sick' he is deranged.  Give the guy a fair trial, quickly though.  And if pronounced guilty by a group of his peers the State ought to execute.  The justice system is clogged and broke.  Give the victim's families justice.  Who is demanding a violent revolution?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:52 | 865739's picture

This guy doesn't sound 'sick' he is deranged.


If you want to make up an excuse for killing the mentally incompetent the least you could do is display some competency on your own part.


insane. 2.
disordered; disarranged.
Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:06 | 865789 Hearst
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Alright.  We will have to see what the verdict is on his sanity.  But from what is available he seems somewhat educated, decently read, was able to make a plan and carry it out. I can not speak for everyone but 'mentally incompetent' does not seem to hold water in my opinion.  So what if he posted some random garbage on youtube, that's not hard to do.   The coward Loughner killed men, women, and a child including a Federal Judge in cold blood.  Unless he's foaming at the mouth insane give the poor families justice.    

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:31 | 865835's picture

Do you really believe that an insane person can not walk, talk or chew gum? Educate yourself instead of spouting off about killing people suffering from a condition which you do not understand and have made no effort to understand.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:26 | 866000 Hearst
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Are you seriously defending poor suffering Loughner?  I am sure he was not sane when he unloaded that extended mag of lead into the bystanders. Would anyone be?  Does that mean his insanity exempts him from the consequences of constructing a murderous plan and then carrying it out?  Without pre-judging all the evidence, it appears that it should not.  Does he possess mental insanity to such a degree that a guilty verdict should warrant leniency?  Let the doctors weigh in.  I am not uncompassionate.  I am tired of evil acts going unpunished.   

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:22 | 866144's picture

I am tired of evil acts going unpunished.

I am tired of uneducated loud-mouths playing God.

Your call for the death of a crazy man who is now in custody and a danger to no one is an evil act. I'd insist that you be punished for that evil act but I imagine that your narrow understanding of humanity constitutes a suitably convenient prison of your own making.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:44 | 866201 Hearst
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While I admire your idealism I frown at your poor understanding of law and justice.  You defend a murderer while calling for the criminality of free speech.  It is noble to be merciful.  But you are showing yourself to be just another spineless know it all that prefers to deal in hypotheticals.  Your interpretation of humanity no doubt is as far from the real thing as your comments are from logic. 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:53 | 866220's picture

It is logical not to kill a man who is no longer a deadly threat to others. It is illogical to punish a man for the symptoms of an illness.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:57 | 865877 thefatasswilly
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Give the poor families justice? What about justice for the families of all the Afghans killed? What about justice for the families of victims of gang violence?

No, of course they don't matter. Only the families of white people matter. Only white people deserve justice. Fuck you, seriously. I'm getting really fucking sick of you round eyes.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:24 | 866112 Red Neck Repugnicant
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This is slightly off topic, but since you've openly made your cultural insecurity part of the ZH theatre, I was wondering if you could comment on the infamous Summers' Memo.  It's not entirely off topic because the underpinnings of this discussion are rooted in the perceived value of life, whether white, black, brown, round eyes or Darwinistically(?) inferior squinty ones.  

In case your belly is full of Peking duck (with tangy sesame sauce) and you can't think clearly, allow me to remind you what the Summers' Memo claimed:

Larry Summers, then chief economist at the World Bank, singed a memo that suggested toxic trash should be exported to Asia because you guys are worth less than Americans.  For instance, if you were to get cancer or contract other health issues, the cost of your lost labor is less than the cost of lost American labor.  Basically, the World Bank was suggesting that you're worth less than me.

What do you think of the World Bank suggesting that you're worth less than me, and does that factor into your inferiority complex? When you see Oscar the Grouch living in a garbage can, does this stir some sort of cultural anxiety for you?

And by the way, this is the real RNR, not the imposter. 

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 00:32 | 866301 thefatasswilly
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Uhh . . .

No shit whites feel they're superior to every other race. I've tried making this point many times, because I enjoy juxtaposing it with American duplicity; aka, Americans say racism is bad. See my posts above, and thanks for helping me make my point.

You youself were bashing me for being racist, and now you are spewing racist shit, too.

Everyone is racist. You whites are just hypocritical and deceptive about it, that's all. It's pretty base overall, and represents a strong slave morality. Pretty sad.

You have shown to possess no sense of honor, principles, or anything at all. Very American. Keep spewing your bullshit if you like, though.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 00:39 | 866322 thefatasswilly
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Oh, and I must ask, how does it feel being a slave of the Jews? Are you sad that Hitler lost, forever condemning your kind to inferiority?

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 01:59 | 866418 Red Neck Repugnicant
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Blah. Blah. Blah. Blah.  

Just more cultural insecurities from you with no real substance, like watered down rice pudding dumped in a barrel of liquid shit.  

Cultural fanatics (like you, Larry Summers, Hitler or 'god's chosen ones', etc.) always have some flimsy bullshit excuse to believe they're superior than everyone else. It's a mental phenomenon that crosses all cultures, and just resides among all the other psychological junk in some broke mind, like yours or Summers'. You'll find it in every country on Earth, and then you'll find an infinite number of groups, organizations and subcultures that find additional bullshit reasons to separate themselves further from everyone else. Americans, Asians (notice I was smart enough not to say Orientals - me smart!), Europeans, whoever and wherever - everyone thinks they're better than everyone else. "Cultural superiority complexes" are not exclusive to Americans or Anglos or whatever.   

Psychologically though, that's not what's going on with you - quite the opposite.  You have an inferiority complex, despite your obnoxiously pathetic claims to the contrary. You're as transparent as they get. You are the only person on this forum that continues to talk about your cultural superiority, and, I gotta tell you, my radar can see though your psychological bullshit.  You doth protest too much, as some white guy used to say.  

So where does that leave us?

Here's what we know from you:

1. Your name is Willy

2. Your ass is very fat.  

3. Your head is up your ass

4. Feelings of cultural superiority crosses all/most cultures and you don't recognize this

Thus, in consideration of the aforementioned four points, it stands to reason that your inability to think clearly is probably due to the excessive gravitational pull that your fat ass is having on the space-time continuum around your hips.  That, coupled with you head locked squarely up your ass, has clouded your thinking in such a way as to provide a textbook demonstration of what an inferiority complex looks like, and how obnoxiously disruptive it can be to civil discourse.    

Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto. 



Tue, 01/11/2011 - 03:14 | 866480 thefatasswilly
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Um, so are you pretending to not be racist now? Make up your mind, sheesh!

And, I didn't mention anything about cultural superiority / inferiority since I decimated you in debate last time. I didn't see the need to bring it up again, having already proven my superiority. You, the loser, tried to bring it up, not me lol. Idiot.

Yawn at the inferiority thing, I've already stated that I suffer from both inferiority and superiority complexes. Stop repeating shit we both already know, damn boy. Come up with a new insult! Use that tiny white brain! I mean shit, you say that MY post has no substance, look at yours. You basically took like 100 lines to say two things: one, that everyone is racist (which I've already stated . . . and you are now trying to use it as an argument against me? LOL I can't believe how stupid you are), and two, that I'm inferior.

Dude seriously, I don't think you know what to say anymore lol. It's pretty funny; I'll debate you if you're able to keep your facts straight.

How does that inferiority feel, though? Inferior to both big nosed jews and slant eyed chinks . . . can't feel too good.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 03:39 | 866524 Red Neck Repugnicant
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No. My post was very clear. 

First, only those with a broken mind - like you - are so overly consumed with racism. You can find those individuals everywhere, across all cultures. You repeatedly imply that "round eyes" are the most guilty of racism.  

Second, denying racism is not a "white thing." It's a social faux pas thing, which you may not understand if you're an unmannered pig. Very few people openly admit to being racist, especially in the presence of other races or cultures. You've got to be a special sort of unmannered pig to do that.  

Third, and most importantly, being as overtly racist as you are is not just about being a dysfunctional pig.  It's more than that.  There is some real garbage in your head, and I've repeatedly told you that.  You are so over-the-top racist that it has the stench of someone deeply insecure about himself.  

I can't possibly make this any clearer to you, much as I did in our last discussion.  Dance around it all you want, but like most Asians, you don't dance well.




Tue, 01/11/2011 - 03:45 | 866540 thefatasswilly
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I said, "Everyone is racist. You whites are just hypocritical and deceptive about it, that's all. It's pretty base overall, and represents a strong slave morality. Pretty sad."

You replied with, "Feelings of cultural superiority crosses all/most cultures and you don't recognize this."

You are troubled and stupid. You tell me that racism is wrong, but you don't seem to understand it's ONLY WRONG IN AMERICA (or maybe some other western countries, too), yet all you whites are racist.

You ignore the duplicity involved in your culture, and try to shit talk me LOL. You can't even keep arguments straight in your head, as shown above. The lies and deception are working against you, boy.

I am racist because Chinese are culturally racist, moron. We have always believed that our culture is the greatest, and everyone else is a barbarian (much like the Romans, hm. Racism MUST be wrong, right?). All you do is attempt to impose your Judeo Christian concepts of right / wrong on others; it's worked with many, but it doesn't work against the superior Chinese culture, boy.

Yes, I openly admit I am racist. You can not admit this about yourself. It makes you uncomfortable. In other words, you find deception necessary in social discourse. You do not cherish honesty. You are despicable; a commoner. Take your bullshit elsewhere, peasant.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 03:47 | 866543 thefatasswilly
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By the way, are you sad that Hitler lost? Answer my question, boy. Stop avoiding your cognitive dissonance.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 04:09 | 866558 Red Neck Repugnicant
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In other words, you find deception necessary in social discourse. You do not cherish honesty...

No.  It's simply called discretion.  Somewhere on the lower rungs of the evolutionary ladder, you'll learn it.  

You are really fucked in the head. 

There's nothing more for me to say....

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 04:34 | 866560 thefatasswilly
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No, it's not called discretion. You openly blasted me for being racist, then revealed that you yourself are very racist.

That, boy, is hypocrisy, a cousin of deception, not discretion.

And yeah, I may be fucked up in the head, but only from your limited Judeo Christian viewpoint. You are being racist without even realizing it, LOL. Fuckin hilarious.

Your refusal to answer my question reveals that you ARE sad that Hitler lost, condemning you to slavery under the Jews. I pity your position, boy.

For your sake, I suggest that you refrain from picking fights with superior men in the future. If you haven't learned your lesson, I would be glad to pummel you again, though.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 10:34 | 866921 Red Neck Repugnicant
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No, you're missing the point.

The supposed threads of duplicity and hypocrisy that you claim are in my posts, are not comments about all Chinese.  Just you.  There's a big difference.

I think you're a pig, not the Chinese as a whole. My disgust/revulsion is very centered on you, whereas you make sweeping statements against everyone that are not Chinese.  You're the Chinese equivalent of a white supremacist, straight from the bowels of Kentucky.  And I can assure you that there is very little in America that ranks lower on the "pig scale" than a white supremacist.  

Your questions about Hitler are so far off-the-chats in poor taste and so deeply irrelevant to the way I think about life, that they aren't worth any discussion from me. 




Tue, 01/11/2011 - 15:46 | 867832 thefatasswilly
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Wow. You very obviously lack basic reading comprehension skills.

When I speak of white duplicity, I am speaking of white people as a whole. Either you're fucking retarded, or believe that you represent all white people.

And, are you really denying that you are racist? LOL. Do you want me to quote you some more? You have revealed yourself to be EXTREMELY racist while blasting racism! Seriously, dude. I won't repeat myself again.

And, once again, ALL Chinese are as rascist as I am (well, maybe not all Chinese Americans). Brush up on your reading comprehension skills, seriuosly. I'm done with you, but I will keep this conversation in mind should you decide to open your mouth again.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 17:22 | 868165 Red Neck Repugnicant
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When I speak of white duplicity, I am speaking of white people as a whole...

Maybe in some discussions, but not the one tonight.  Need I refer you to your own words a few posts below in the center of this page?

This, from a round eye who claims that racism is wrong. You don't seem to understand that I'm blasting you for your duplicity, not your racism. Do you understand it yet?

This duplicity claim was clearly against me - the 'round eye' of your first sentence - not the white race, as a whole. 

Dance all you want, but you're still just a repulsive, unmannered pig. 

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 20:11 | 868639 thefatasswilly
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You call me a repulsive unmannered pig after saying that racism is bad, then you spew racist shit. I mean, you resorted to slandering my dick based on my race in an attempt to win an argument LOL; and I am the unmannered one? Seriously, you need to shut up before you make yourself look even less intelligent (difficult, but obviously possible. Bravo, sir).

I may be racist, but you are both racist and a liar, like all white people. The fact that you cannot even admit to the things I've shown you to be is quite hilarious. I mean fuck, you are STILL trying to deny that you are racist, after telling me that white girls will never go for me because I am Chinese! I can quote you even more, but thinking about your idiocy makes me sad for humanity.

I am not dancing. You AND all other white people are liars and racists. I've made this quite clear. My point has not changed. You are the one dancing around semantics. I have already admitted to being an honest racist (funny, you seem to associate my honesty with lack of manners), come up with something new, seriously.

By the way, nice non answer about Hitler. I know you have an opinion on him; every white person does. In fact, all white people you would consider "polite" would state that he was a monster, even if they supported him. Like I said, liars.

You preach manners as if you possess them, and then reveal that you are, in fact, quite depressed that Hitler lost. Once again, how is the cognitive dissonance, boy?

Oh, and fetch me some water, boy. I'm thirsty. Chop chop, don't make me mad, or you might get the whip again.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 04:38 | 866591 AnAnonymous
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"Cultural superiority complexes" are not exclusive to Americans or Anglos or whatever.  


Well, well, no surprise. This is called ethnocentrism, which is different from racism, contrary to what the other guy wants to tell (US citizen  but whose race elects him as a potential target to his US citizen fellows as racism is a cornerstone of US society)

Chinese are strongly ethnocentric but they are not racist. If they were racist, they would consider for example Japanese as being more worthwhile than any no asian race. Far, far from being the case. Actually, quite a number of Chinese think nothing can be rated lower than a Japanese.

 In the US, this is very different.  Any white person coming to the US, no matter the culture, is deemed better than the good old Jim Crow Alabama boy whose family has been culturally assimilated ages ago. A white European is prefered over the US cultured negro. 

Which is normal, as the US society cornerstone is racism. Playing the white race card, no matter who you are, is a bonus in the US. A Japanese playing the race card in China wont go very far. 

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 04:26 | 866576 AnAnonymous
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Larry Summers, then chief economist at the World Bank, singed a memo that suggested toxic trash should be exported to Asia because you guys are worth less than Americans.  For instance, if you were to get cancer or contract other health issues, the cost of your lost labor is less than the cost of lost American labor.  Basically, the World Bank was suggesting that you're worth less than me.


That is a weird analysis. Larry Summers's line is quite old and perfectly logical in the US economics framework. There were also other factors like life expectancy etc making the reminder unclear and uncomplete.

That is already the deal the French offer to the negroes in Africa when it comes to extract the uranium they need to sustain their economic model (nuclear energy powered)

The deal is simple: the French get uranium, the negroes get the waste and a radioactive environment. From a capitalistic point of view, this is excellent as it depicts a mutually reciprocal benefitial relationship: both sides get something they could not have without the other. Without the uranium, the French could not sustain their already non competively nuclear fueled economy and the negroes get the waste and radioactive environment they would not have by themselves as they do not harness nuclear technology.

Where does this story of cultural insecurity come from? It has little to do with culture. Anyone thinking within the pattern of US economics is led to draw the same conclusion as Larry summers as his reasonings (within this context) is flawless.

Where does the story of cultural insecurity come from? Could this be pointed out?

The US has a long history of shifting down the negative consequences of their actions onto other people. Larry Summers is a bright example of it. There is nothing unamerican in Larry Summers' report.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:31 | 865860 Terminus C
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This guy killed six, George Bush caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands... don't hear anyone calling for his execution as a "murderer".

How about the same justice for the fed.  Why not spread justice around to those who deserve it.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:33 | 865873 thefatasswilly
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The difference is, Bush killed brown people. This guy killed white people. Americans believe that white people are far more important than any other color.

And then they scream that racism is bad. It's all quite hilarious, really.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:46 | 866206 Vendetta
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indeed, except for the hilarious part.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 00:37 | 866318 thefatasswilly
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I actually find it quite hilarious, because it reveals just how stupid Americans are. For example, check out Red Neck Repugnicant above. He is so hypocritical he can't even keep the lies in his head straight!

I wonder how strongly his cognitive dissonance hurts him.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 03:35 | 866531 Red Neck Repugnicant
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For example, check out Red Neck Repugnicant above....

Indeed, I encourage everyone to take a look.  

Chopped suey is being served in a steaming hot wok. 

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 04:12 | 866564 thefatasswilly
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This, from a round eye who claims that racism is wrong.

You don't seem to understand that I'm blasting you for your duplicity, not your racism. Do you understand it yet, boy?

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 03:13 | 866521 Deliverator
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As much as I hate to feed the troll, fatass is partially cribbing a point that's been made many times before. Chomsky and Herman termed them "worthy and unworthy" victims. While race can play a part, or rather, enable the story, political ends play a much greater role.

Some light reading:

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 17:28 | 868194 MyKillK
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This argument no longer holds any water considering that the Democrats ran on an end the wars platform in 2006 and have completely failed to do anything of the sort even now that they hold the presidency.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:41 | 865898 trav7777
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seriously, fuck the government and fuck the "victim's families."  Justice does not revolve around what people want.

As far as death penalties, the same State that daily lies about shit as mundane as the employment rate can decide to lie about forensic evidence (and has).

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:50 | 866053 Terminus C
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The state will indeed make up the "forensic" evidence as it wishes.  More likely though is that the state will ignore evidence that is pertinent.

I don't doubt that this guy actually killed these people.  The real question is motive.  I think exploring the motive question will lead us down the rabbit hole.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 06:01 | 866631 Confused
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And lie it will. Why anyone here would take "reported" info as fact is beyond me. Crazy? He might be. I certainly don't agree with murder. But I can't take what they tell me as fact. 

Wed, 04/20/2011 - 18:58 | 865795 oygevalt
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Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:18 | 865816 thefatasswilly
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This entire ordeal has caused me to lose a great deal of respect for ZH readers. I believed the majority of us to be logical, level headed men who understood how to control our emotions, despite what the MSM or whatever tells us to feel.

Turns out ZH readers possess the emotional control and logic of a 13 year old girl. "omg horrifying, what a tragedy, etc. etc."

ZH will not be our salvation. Despicable, truly despicable. With this type of idiocy so prevalent even on a website such as this, how can anyone have faith in democracy? Why should such dumbasses be allowed to decide anything about government? America is the best argument against democracy / republic in existence.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:43 | 865903 trav7777
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Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:14 | 865978 thefatasswilly
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Dude check out the 13 year old girlies coming out of the woodwork below. First period, maybe?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:06 | 865954 silence
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You got something against women?


And no I'm not going to stick around and argue with you. Based on your presence in related articles over the last two days - you do just fine at the "chip on the shoulder" thing all on your own.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:12 | 865972 thefatasswilly
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How did you get that I have something against women? Because I recognize that there are obvious differences between the two sexes? Are you one of those idiots who believes that women are exactly the same as men?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:07 | 865956 THE DORK OF CORK
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You are so obviously a goverment troll , tell me how much are they paying you for your scatter gun observations and your vigorous attempts to downgrade the quality of discussions on this website.

I bet you are cheap , at least you should be as your quality of bullshit needs much work in the farmyard of vice that you work in.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:13 | 865977 thefatasswilly
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Why do I need to spell it out for everyone? Fucking morons.

If you want to insult someone as intelligent as I am, back up your insult and explain why you are doing so. Imbecile.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:29 | 866011 THE DORK OF CORK
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I find it impossible to finish your ramblings as your posts are the most painful tracts of rubbish I have ever read.

Will you ever do the world a favour and fuck off to what ever hole you crept out off.

And clean yourself up a bit as you smell of shit and decay.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 00:33 | 866308 thefatasswilly
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omg wow dude, your insults hurt. keep it up, you're a pro.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 19:16 | 868527 Golden monkey
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You mean Dick Cheney is a fat monkey? (I'm a pundit man, I see the camel in the sandstorm).

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 11:40 | 867085 bobboberson
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right on Trav

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:30 | 865314 Cheesy Bastard
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Someone stole Mr. Clean's earring.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:32 | 865675 Sig Sauer
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well done sir!

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:30 | 865316 Shylockracy
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These "mission accomplished" grins are a fixture of the American public face.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:31 | 865318 bob_dabolina
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WTF? Is that Jeff Macke?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:01 | 865773 Aristarchan
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They do seem to share the same emotional instability......

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:33 | 865321 Rock N Roll Det...
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Better lock him up... if he escapes he will just walk over the boarder to Mexico and they will never see him.. however if you blank out the face and put a P-hole on top he looks like a Dick.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:37 | 865353 Cognitive Dissonance
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....if he escapes he will just walk over the boarder to Mexico and they will never see him..

Worse, he might come back armed to the teeth and backed up by a few million Mexicans who want northern Mexico back. Or they could just wait for our collapse.

We did kind of take it from them you know.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:17 | 865638 RichardP
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Didn't we kind of take the entire country from other people?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:56 | 866064 Terminus C
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Exactly... and you got junked. LOL!

To be fair, no nation has an infinite past.  Humans are nomadic and violent as a species and no land is "native land" in the sense of a "historical right".  Land is taken and lost according to the laws of conquest (i.e. I kill you your shit is mine, you kill me my shit is yours).  The laws of conquest after all are the oldest laws of any living being.


Tue, 01/11/2011 - 04:47 | 866599 AnAnonymous
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To be fair, no nation has an infinite past.  Humans are nomadic and violent as a species and no land is "native land" in the sense of a "historical right".  Land is taken and lost according to the laws of conquest (i.e. I kill you your shit is mine, you kill me my shit is yours).  The laws of conquest after all are the oldest laws of any living being.


US self serving propaganda. Long time debunked. It is quite frequent for US citizens to set their history as the standard for any other people on the face of the world.

It is untrue.

At one moment in human history, a large part of Earth was not populated by human beings who migrate to occupy it.

When they moved into never occupied land, it is stupid to speak of laws of conquest where there is nobody to take the land from.

And up to these days, there are a few populations left (less and less I have to tell under the US world order) who live on the land that went from the first occupation of the world.

So US citizens.


Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:51 | 866219 Vendetta
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what country hasn't? Not that it makes it alright.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 02:38 | 866498 Oh regional Indian
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India. Long history of non-meddling. The whole Kashmir issue was a parting gift from the British, leaving the place ready to explode on any given day.

But since becoming an overt lap-dog of western control/interests, especially in the last 20 or so years, India is just like any other place. A fighting nation. Only, mostly, it's like Ghetto land, we just keep killing one-another.



Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:29 | 865668 Entremanure
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We did kind of take it from them you know.

Well...shit kind of happens.

(You're such a dipshit...)

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:33 | 865676 trav7777
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they took it from somebody else

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:22 | 865492 myshadow
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board·er 1  (bôrdr, br-)

One who boards, especially:
a. One who pays a stipulated sum in return for regular meals or for meals and lodging. b. One who goes on board a vessel as part of an assault or military action: repel all boarders.
Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:33 | 865327 Convolved Man
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Hell, Lloyd's puss is scarier than this guy's

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:22 | 865495 DocLogo
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The look of a man convinced he's doing god's work

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:03 | 865607 Bob Dobbs
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I'd say he was pretty delusional.  I wonder if he will be able to stand trial?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 21:04 | 865786 Convolved Man
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Based on the litigiousness of our culture, what I expect to see happen is the inevitable law suit against the city, county or state, on behalf of the victims, for not protecting the citizens from him.  There seems to be ample evidence he had a prior record of "psychological problems" which made him a threat to public safety.  For some of his victims, this may be the only means for recompense.  Maybe, that was the motive for the Pima County Sheriff to point the finger of blame at others?

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 08:22 | 866712 Bob Dobbs
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Your right.  A random guy goes off his nut over the course of several years, but never violates the law in a noticeable way. Can that be prevented?  Bizarre behavior is not a crime.  But, wow, when he snapped, it was a terrible thing. 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:37 | 865331 virgilcaine
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He's obviously disturbed.  But Society said let them loose so who is really to blame?  CONgress is ,  there are how many thousands like him roaming the streets? and came back to one of them for  a change.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:35 | 865337 Buttcathead
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Should be sharing a cell with Hank Paulson.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:42 | 865369 Id fight Gandhi
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Looks like the could be related

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:21 | 865487 BorisTheBlade
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So many of 'em:

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:38 | 865529 Rusty Shorts
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Missed one ...



Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:48 | 865563 BorisTheBlade
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beard makes him stand out, although Manson has a better match ...

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:54 | 865579 Rusty Shorts
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Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:22 | 865650 voltaic
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Tom Delay was just sentenced to 3 years. Maybe he'll have a new bunkmate. 

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 20:27 | 865664 bruiserND
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"Should be sharing a cell with Hank Paulson".

They already share the same barber.

Common thread of sociopaths; shaved heads.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:36 | 865343 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Evidence that Reagan should not have done away with mental institutions.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:55 | 865414 Rainman
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+ 1. Well, he didn't do away with the nuthouses per se. He just shut them down and transferred the patients to the penal system where they can be rehabilitated into sanity. It's all working out just all the previously sane inmates end up going crazy as rat shit, too .

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:55 | 865583 uno
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absolutely correct.  The jails are loaded with paranoid schizophrenia, mood disorders whatever.  My brother is there, crazy and would do that same stupid grin.  He is not present, angry without any clue.

85% of the people with paranoid schizophrenia are back in prison within 18 months after release.

I am sure this persons family is loaded with mental disorder.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:37 | 865347 Ratscam
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do prisoners get automatically shaved like congressmen?

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:38 | 865358 Cheesy Bastard
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No, they get shivved, like congressmen should.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:48 | 865385 Pool Shark
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[Golf Clap]

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:41 | 865366 buzzsaw99
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i don't think the ptb removed his eyebrows. lol

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:05 | 866093 Trimmed Hedge
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This kid knows his shit.

If you really want to freak people out, completely shave off your eyebrows.

It usually takes a few moments (if ever) for them to realize what's wrong with your appearance.

And in those few moments, they're really put on edge.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 23:55 | 866229 Vendetta
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I usually just use extra large yellow contact lenses but your suggestion is good ... when I decide to freak people out.

Tue, 01/11/2011 - 00:28 | 866291 Trimmed Hedge
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Or you could just shoot 20 people, killing 6.

Supposedly that freaks 'em out, too.

Or so I've heard....

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:37 | 865348 buzzsaw99
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The squid still scares me more.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:38 | 865359 Turd Ferguson
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What a fucking asshole.

He kills 6 people, including a 9-year old girl and he's smiling like its his birthday.

I wish I could personally throw the switch on this prick and watch him fry.

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:41 | 865370 JW n FL
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He's a Republican / Palin HERO!!! how dare you? gun site's will now be issued by the Democrats on Tea Party / Repulicans that need one to the dome!

Mon, 01/10/2011 - 18:51 | 865398 InconvenientCou...
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He's not Palin's hero sir. He failed to reload.

I'm sure progressives are ready to retaliate with maximum bias. Signs that are spelled correctly and such.

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