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Loughner Mug Shot Released
From ABC15:
The suspect in a deadly Tucson shooting is being held without bail
and has been assigned a lawyer who defended Oklahoma City bombing
conspirator Timothy McVeigh.
Jared Loughner entered the courtroom
Monday handcuffed and wearing a tan inmate uniform. His head is shaved
and he has a cut on his right temple.
Loughner made his initial
court appearance in federal court at 2 p.m. at the Sandra Day O’Connor
U.S. Courthouse, while state charges have yet to be filed.
The court set Loughner’s preliminary hearing for Jan. 24.
ABC15’s Corey Rangel was at the courthouse this afternoon. Stay with ABC15 throughout the day for updates.
Loughner
described as a social outcast with wild beliefs steeped in mistrust
faces a federal court hearing on charges he tried to assassinate Rep.
Gabrielle Giffords in the Tucson shooting rampage that left six people
dead and wounded 14 others.
His expression was impassive as he
walked in, looked straight at the crowd at the back of the room packed
with reporters, then turned around to speak to his attorney, Judy
Clarke. He responded "yes" when asked if he understood his rights.
Via ABC15.com
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To be clear I am super, duper Pro Gun! I am pro TOW... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FBrTq_CaOs
If everyone had a TOW then Congress or the Senate or Wall Street would not be acting like they do... but being TOW savy requires training and thinking... thusly 99% of the Country fails to qualify.
1 Lying Congress Person down... lots more to go! dont forget the Bankers! You Crazy Fuckers!
Wow! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJe9mSzC5RQ&feature=related
"He's not McMILF hero sir. He failed to reload."
And a girl took his clip away... She and the two guys that grabbed him are the heroes...
JW: When did you become such a fucking douchebag? And an idiot?
I used to value your opinions on gold and silver. Last fall, you actually added value to the discussions here. Now, you're just a blowhard, asshole partisan hack. Why?
Turd,
Can't a girl have some fun once in a while?
Stirring the pot is fun, gets people thinking... intelligent conversation only works with some people.
Love the Blog keep up the Great Work! it in my Fav's..
I will now stop using you for a spring board, as the stress of internet chat has gotten you down.
Be well Turd, JW
JW: Stirring the pot is OK when discussing metals or stocks. This kind of shit is far more serious and requires serious discussion, not useless partisan bs.
>> This kind of shit is far more serious and requires serious discussion, not useless partisan bs.
You didn't happen to notice you've continually posted your partisan hack opinion on the matter to your blog, did you? I guess partisan hack garbage only stinks if it's not your own.
There's no room for liberalism on a blog that details the economic reality that there's no free lunch and socialist entitlment societies are shit. That shit does stink, always.
on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 10:59
#867121
There's no room for liberalism on a blog that details the economic reality that there's no free lunch and socialist entitlment societies are shit. That shit does stink, always.
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If you are looking to live under the golden rule... there are a GREAT FUCKING MANY 3rd world countries that cater to your narrow minded, short sighted view you fucking idiot.
It is called paying your fair share, roads dont build themselves and until this shit started to affect you.. you where out painting fucking anti abortion signs... you dont understand money, wealth and / or anything that your faggit dick sucking pastor aint tolds u bout!
So, do everyone a fucking favor and shut your dumb fucking mouth... no one here is your wife, so no one give a fuck about you enough to suffer your balatant ignorance.
You are the porblem, you and your kind should be rounded up and put to death... for the suffering your ignorance has caused this country thus far.. I say it is, in fact TREASON on your part to be so fucking stupid.
But, alas... I just cant fix stupid... now can I?
on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:44
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JW: Stirring the pot is OK when discussing metals or stocks. This kind of shit is far more serious and requires serious discussion, not useless partisan bs.
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Why do words matter now? after the shooting? why not before? why did actions like putting scope target views on her district not matter when Palin did it... and as a matter of fact that is not even something you have once admited was fact even though it was force feed down your ignorant throat...
Now it matters?
Now its of concern?
But its not Palin fault, she doesnt perpetuate ignorance with her own never ending swill?
Fuck you idiot.
It might be fun getting to know the FBI too. Rave on fool.
+1000
on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 19:51
#865733
It might be fun getting to know the FBI too. Rave on fool.
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The FBI (X's 3), the Secret Service (X's 2) and Homeland Security are all Tenants of mine... so they, could walk down the hall (of the building where my personal office is) and make a fucking appointment like everyone else... if they want to see me.. its all of 100 feet from my door to thiers.
So, Fuck you bottom feeder sheepeople.
The cadence of your disourse rings familiar. Do you know Velo? Same misspells. Same caps in odd places. Same discontinuity.
Well turd you gotta keep perspective. He wants to put his face on coins and be a king. This puts him squarely in central banker territor. So we have to examine him relative to other kings.
Forceful inclusion into your system -fiat currency. You are forcefully included into the system. By law by law enFORCEMENT. To the benefit of the central bankers.
Forceful exclusion of your system- You have to kill people who won't do what you want or punish them or conform them or margianialize them.
Killing kids. This sucks but we gotta stick with relative to his peers. Bernanke and geihtners IRS-CIA-IMF gang kills kids by the 10,000 of thousands every year. Either through starvation by installing dicators running up debts and then sticking a "free" government with the dictators debts or just by plain using terroist groups during the installation or removal phase of the dicatator part. I mean 3 million people died during the dicator removal stage with Iraq. You know some of them had to be kids.
Relative to the other money masters I'd say a fair punishment would be 10 minutes on CNBC lying about the housing bubble so he can work on his lying skills.
Good comment.
This ass hat Loughner will be made an example out of. Like it nor not, a politician is a public officer. There is a process for change, and unless the nation is in civil war this guy made an assault on citizens of AZ in addition to each person murdered. Arizona will deal with him appropriately when the Fed's are done, that is assured.
There is no logical conclusion for an argument where innocent lives are taken to further personal cause. This includes banks and the economy too.
on Tue, 01/11/2011 - 00:53
#866037
Good comment.
This ass hat Loughner will be made an example out of. Like it nor not, a politician is a public officer. There is a process for change, and unless the nation is in civil war this guy made an assault on citizens of AZ in addition to each person murdered. Arizona will deal with him appropriately when the Fed's are done, that is assured.
There is no logical conclusion for an argument where innocent lives are taken to further personal cause. This includes banks and the economy too.
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No one is innocent. No one.
Exactly. But, this episode actually garners sympathy for the government in the eyes of the public.
"Look at your heroic polititians, bravely facing the dangerous world, bringing you democracy, hope and change." This is the spin... it makes me want to puke.
I don't really know this lady and I am not sure that she "deserved" this. There are people in power who kill far more and her shooting will only give them more of a mandate to take our rights and kill in our name.
Not that it matters, but his friends described him as liberal:
http://seo-chief.com/jared-loughner-classmate-tweets-that-he-is-a-liberal/
The people claiming he's a republican/tea party member are either too lazy to do a little research or more nuts than he is.
Or, more likely, just asshole trolls.
Here's an asshole troll comment for you - lot of good conceal carry did in Arizona to protect his 6 victims. How many in the crowd left their guns in their pockets and ran for cover? Crazy fuckers 6, gun toting right wing blowhards 0.
Having a gun does not a soldier make.
Most of us cannot focus through the speed and shock of real violence because we are not used to it. There is a reason soldiers and psychologists talk about "being hardened by war". Even if he was a slow shooter he could have unloaded his clip in 6-10 seconds. To a highly trained person, that is a lot of time, to the rest of us in that situation, it is an instant.
So much for the argument that concerned armed citizens without training could stop crimes of this type.
on Mon, 01/10/2011 - 22:14
#866122
Having a gun does not a soldier make.
Most of us cannot focus through the speed and shock of real violence because we are not used to it. There is a reason soldiers and psychologists talk about "being hardened by war". Even if he was a slow shooter he could have unloaded his clip in 6-10 seconds. To a highly trained person, that is a lot of time, to the rest of us in that situation, it is an instant.
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Spot on... even if I were there... and I had my gun in my hand... cocked and at the ready... aiming at the idiot thru the crowd... how much background??? in a public place?
The only way to have stopped him was to be in front of him with intelligence, other than that... not even some one with any amount of training... at distance, while being bitched at by the wife.. could have turned, aquired and taken down the idiot.
One thing people here have completely forgoten...
No matter what, God... wanted that lil girl home... bless her heart and speedy trip to him.
He's a fucking nut. Why would his political delusions be more interesting then the rest. Since his big concern was apparently "mind control" how would he (or we) know whose opinions they really are?
drchris I tried pointing that out yesterday and the day before but got slammed by so many on here.
you are a monkey if you think liberal/conservative matters one shit in this country
least we forget, as Turd pointed out, he murdered a six year old innocent girl, along with 5 other people, and wounded 13.
The only thing more shallow than his act are people trying to make a political point on one side versus the other as to who's responsible other than the asshole who legally bought a gun and decided to kill people. Left and Right both leave much to be desired.
Forget the polictics, I'm like you Turd, I'd volunteer to pull the switch, have little children of my own. However I have faith the the boys and Sing Sing, will be more than happy to wipe that shit smirk off his ass, after they go midevil on his ass.
Amen
Where is your rage as your gov't murders thousands of people? Many of them are children. And they do this on a daily basis in other countries. Your gov't's solution to every situation is bombs and bullets.
It took this incident to get you riled? Clearly, you are ignorant of the facts and watch far too much corporate news. But that is how they like you. Complacent.
indeed. 400,000 machete'd to death in Rwanda while we bring 'freedom' to Iraq, apparently this contradiction fails to elicit any significant response from the sheeple being led to their own bankruptcy. It makes me sick.
It's perfectly normal that people are upset by this... it's not like the media has made a point of covering civilian deaths in other countries. This one is close to home and in everyone's face.
You have totally missed the point.
A nut killed people. Now peopel are blaming political loudmouths for it saying to stop the hate speech. How ironic that the same people saying stop the hate speech are doing the same thing.
as for "your gov't"... since you are the expect on that, what country am I from and what is "my gov't".
No there are much bigger problems in the world than this. It pisses me off when I see stupid comments and trolls blogging bs. If you think I'm ignorant, and that makes you feel better about yourself, have at it.
Spare me the Bullshit!
So what you got for bill clinton?
http://www.etherzone.com/body.html
Well said Turd. I couldn't agree more.
I'm with you dude. I'd be okay with a good old burnin' at the stake in the public square - the parents of that little girl get to light the kindling
Actually, check that. As he's a child killer now, I say we put him on the main line in Pelican Bay, turn the lights out, and let the inmates decide what to do with him. My guess, he dies, badly
"Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers you do unto me." -- Jesus
It's funny (not) how these supposed Christian do gooders conveniently ignore the message of their messiah.
I dunno
I'd let the parents of the young kid who died flip the switch. But I hear you Turd, it makes me sick.
Those apache pilots who lit up those reporters seemed pretty gleeful too. Must be something in the water around here or something
Ouch.... Touche there trav..
The man is undergoing a textbook schizophrenic breakdown. All the symptoms are there, and he's the right age. It's a disease, like rabies. You might as well blame a rabid dog for attacking people. Sometimes you do have to put a sick animal down, but we can choose to do it humanely, and not take pleasure in it. If anybody's a fucking asshole, it's the sane people around him who saw his breakdown happening and didn't do anything to get him some help before it was too late.
Exactly.
Can we plug this into the conspiracy theories for a moment here? There are those that have a predisposition to schizophrenia and it can be purposely triggered through drugs or a tramatic event. I suppose the right evil genius could probably trigger a schizophrenic breakdown even in an individual who is not predisposed. I'll bet our government has the knowhow.
In the made-for-TV movie Michael Cera will get the roll.
ok, where are his hands and is his fly unzipped?
From Market Ticker, got this.
The Sheriff probably knew he was doing death threats all over the place.
Jared Loughner is a product of Sheriff Dupnik’s office
http://thechollajumps.wordpress.com/2011/01/09/jared-loughner-is-a-product-of-sheriff-dupniks-office/
Thanks Ms.
Sarc on/ Complacent (at best) police department, whowouldathunkit?
It's all part of pre-crime agenda 21.
If you won't conform your thoughts of violence and rebellion towards the government and won't self censor and be expression controlled then you'll be brutalized by the power structure. All a part of enhancing safety for our institutionalized criminal overlords.
The deciding factor for criminal behavior is if you have to run or fight law enforcement you are criminal if you do the same things criminals do but don't have to run because law enforcement conspires with you then you are king.
Dupnik's got far more dangerous criminals to chase.
Like citizens who buy or sell gold.
Dupnik probably agrees with Pasadena Police Chief Sanchez:
http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_16988452
"The Pasadena Police Department would like to inform the public that buying gold is against the law unless you are licensed by the California Department of Justice."
That only applies to businesses buying from the public.
Market ticker? Oh it's gotta be true.
Shouldn't Homeland Security have averted this or were they too busy groping big breasted women?
So you want the police going around picking up marginal whackjobs... great, they could start at any Tea Party rally!
Blaming the Sherrif... what absolute crap (oh forgot, he's a Dem so it's OK)... go back to making signs for the next rally... and watch out for the whackjob patrol!
I feel you. I am a professor. Our asses are in a sling if we don't report someone making death threats. Too much hot campus action lately if you know what I mean. Ditto psychologists and other health care professionals. I had a student who was on the edge, I did everything to not report him, but it kept escalating. I finally had to do it and did not feel good about it. Judicial affairs got involved and while I was terrified during the whole thing, being hauled in for a talk was a wakeup call for the guy. The guy got angry with me about it, stalked me a little, but he got scared about his future and stopped. But honestly, there was a little bit of time there I wondered if I was dead. This stuff isn't easy.
If you read the article, the guy supposedly is blaming all kinds of others rather than being the one to report, himself, what he knew about it.
I do not belong to any party.
So what do you think of me lately MsCreant. Remember months ago when I said there are times when I need freedom to take things to scary places to understand something or communicate something. Have I scared you yet?
Yes.
Does that matter to you?
I answer those posts from time to time. I don't think you go back to see it though. Often it is too much to wade through, I understand.
I have been more open than is healthy in the past. I still think the benefits out weigh the draw backs.
Ya most bulletin boards can search for your posts and search for responses and you can't do that with zerohedge. You can only see what you've posted in and if there is something new added with no reguard to who made the comment or to who. But their poor servers are strained again.
I don't know what I'll do. I'm continually pushed to reopen but closed is giving me perspective.
My apologies if I was too hard on you... and I wouldn't read anything Denninger writes, especially on this subject... he's defending the Tea Party (he's credited with being an original TP organizer) and simply makes it up as he goes along.
And one more time... if they are innocent, why are they falling all over themselves to distance themselves from this tragedy (Palin issued the first "regret" announcement and hasn't said a word since... something positive at least)... nobody on the left is... "the lady doth protest too much, methinks."
Cheers!
This idiot killed a 9 year old girl - fire-up old sparky for this prick.
how many children have our armed forces killed in the last 7 years?
They should all ride the lightning, yes?
extend your timeline by another decade and include the deaths attributable to the post Iraq I war sanctions and i think it amounts conservatively speaking only in that particular theater of our great war against Oceania to hundreds upon hundreds of thousands. not many tears for those.
I mean, shit, we lit up a fucking wedding party even at one point.
I have 2ndhand stories of people known as butchers in Iraq, who lit up streets with machine guns. They were KNOWN as off reservation by their COs. Nevermind the "collateral damage" by all those drone strikes, bombs, whatever we dropped.
Do you people around here have a fuckin CLUE what "collateral damage" means? It means INNOCENT DEAD PEOPLE, often WOMEN and CHILDREN. We have seen our commanders doing the equivalent of high fiving that they blew up a house with 3 high value "AQ" targets and 15-20 innocents.
So spare me the goddamned hysteria about what kind of tragedy this was. It was just any other fuckin day
This does not seem to bother people. As a matter of fact you'll likely get junked for pointing out such and inconvenient truth.
Honestly, there should be hysteria about ANY killing, but that is not the way of the world is it?
War is state-sanctioned murder, so by definition it isn't against the law.
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some serious bags under his eyes.
I don't think he got much sleep, if any, the night before.
Apparently a neighbor saw him walking around at 2:00 am.
He had also left a voicemail to a friend of his late at night. Something along the lines of, "We had some good times. Bye now."
Plus, the lighting in the mugshot isn't the best (e.g., false appearance of a black eye).
Liberals usually love mental cases like this, makes em feel all 'advanced thinking'
Don't think we'll be hearing from too many lefties on this one.
It's true, I'm a lot smarter that you are. But actually I think this guy is probably one of yours.
You're absolutely correct. This guy is simply the latest name on a long list of right wing murder and terror groups:
-Jared Loughner
-Major Hassan
-John Allen Muhhamed
-Ted Kaczynski
-Sarah Jane Moore
-Lynnette Fromme
-Sirhan Sirhan
-Lee Harvey Oswald (assuming he wasn't CIA)
-SLA
-United Liberation Front
-Direct Action Network
-Animal Liberation Front
-Earth Liberation Front
-Earth First
-Sea Shepherds
-Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty
-Black Liberation Army
-May 19th Coalition
-Weather Underground
-Puerto Rican Independence Movement
Funny how one of these pages is WAAAAaay LONGER than the other. Goddamn rightwing violent teabagger nutfuckers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism
Not to often do you find a Dem supporting the second amendment. Gabby did. And the judge who was killed was an awesome man. Christina was a real go getter too. This is one of America's greatest tragedies.
Agreed, Jimi. A senseless, sad tragedy.
You're an idiot...
http://apcheck.blogspot.com/2011/01/napolitano-committed-criminal.html
Takes one to know one, I guess.
stick to the gold and silver, turd.
So, apparently, you do not agree that this was a senseless tragedy. Ok, then.
Fuck, this shit is getting out of control. You could claim that the sky is blue or that the sun rises in the east and all the conspiracy-anarchists would junk you. Its getting old.
Ohhh touche my friend... touche indeed...
great link. Roll also just came down with preliminary ruling against US government in cash smuggling case, November 2010 http://dockets.justia.com/docket/arizona/azdce/4:2010cv00703/568697/
Are you on the fuckin RAG or something?
America's GREATEST tragedies? What type of hyperbole is this??
What, are we short on jews or crooked congressmen or something? WTF?
Know what I meant, it was a tragedy. It couldcontinue if gun rights are threatened. TSA in Safeway parking lots. Politicians may not have rallies. You never fucking know. And you want to question the fact that this is a tragedy? America is a tragedy, how is that? I am on the rag, and you get all uptight by my words, when all II meant was this is a fucking tragedy. Whatever.
The greatest tragedy in America was this? Clearly, your world is VERY small. What affects you is not this. Not this at all. What does affect you is the trillions in MBS securities fraud, bank bailouts and the general looting of what-is-left-of-the-US-economy...for starters. Perhaps reflecting on what DOES affect your life as opposed to what DOESN'T would be a good start.
The judge was an 'awesome man'? Pfft! This was the federal judge who ruled against Clinton in the Sheriff Mack gun control victim disarmament case and was also in the process of ruling in a key case against the Obama administration in a move to seize homes and people’s bank accounts without due process. Not that those matters earned him a right to die. But he was not an awesome nor an honorable man.
Also, 'Gabby' was formerly a Repugnicant before she crossed the aisle to the Demobrats side. Not that it means anything. There is no 'left' and 'right' any longer. The US Congress, as anyone knows, is corrupt and filled with useless people, either Rep. or Dem., whose job is to ensure that corporations get what they want while you get the shaft, your job is off-shored and a record 43 million of your fellow Americans are on food stamps.
Now THOSE are tragedies.
One of...I said "one of".
And if the fact that some fuckhead shoots a little girl and then the whole country erupts with tired rhetoric is not a message to you then fucking wake up. Nobody has a clue what to make of anything anymore and they are freaking out. Krugman is blaming the right the right is blaming whoever the fuck they are blaming. Everyone is looking for answers and no one is finding any. And I am not talking about Loughner, he is a sicko. I mean you, me, Trav, JW, no one knows what to make of this. And if you think you do, you don't. Because the definition of tragedy is that it is not suppossed to happen. Little girls are not supposed to die like that.
Tthis shit ain't supposed to happen, but whatever, it did, and it is a tragedy. Should we just move on, or can we examine it for a while. I recomend we examine ourselves, take a look at the sky, and realize, the world is bigger than what it appears to be.
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Because the definition of tragedy is that it is not suppossed to happen. Little girls are not supposed to die like that.
You're absolutely correct.
Perhaps you should apply that logic to the many children who are killed by US drone attacks on the Pakistan/Afghanistan border. Some 1,000 people were killed in 2010, up from 700 in 2009. Many, if not most, of those were innocent civilians. Pick your 'TRAGEDIES' accordingly.
You may also want to look up stats in and around the US to find out how many kids are killed by guns. Know that you're waving around one dead girl when there are many. I guess they aren't important to you becuase they don't make the news.
In our latest annual report, Protect Children, Not Guns 2010, and in a special section on gun violence in The State of America’s Children 2010, we show that in 2007, 3,042 children and teens died from gunfire in the United States—eight every day—as a result of homicide, suicide, or accidental or undetermined shootings. Almost six times as many children and teens suffered non-fatal gun injuries, which have serious physical and emotional consequences. Random violence, especially in poor communities, drives thousands of vulnerable young people into the pipeline to prison where they remain trapped with little chance of escape. Consider these other startling facts on gun violence from our research:
Since 1979 gun violence has ended the lives of 110,645 children and teens in America. Fifty-nine percent of them were White and 37 percent were Black. Fifty-six percent were homicides and 31 percent were suicides. The 3,042 deaths of children and teens from gunfire in 2007 nearly equaled the total number of U.S. combat deaths in Iraq through February 2010. More Black children and teens died from gun violence in 2007—1,499—than all the military deaths in Afghanistan since America’s engagement in that war began nine years ago. Black males ages 15–19 are more than five times as likely as their White peers and more than twice as likely as their Hispanic peers to be killed by firearms.
There is your damn tragedy!
http://keyconversationsradio.com/?p=1151
Please seek help. Seriously.
so you must gets lots of love from them....
One can tell that you are a stupid motherfucker who doesnt know shit about liberals and probably doesnt know shit about much of anything, so take your sterotypes
and go somewhere where you belong, i.e., where the level of conversation is about 40 IQ point lower.
Larry, the resident genius, chimes in, not to argue or debate. No, he's above that. He's brilliant. Everyone else is an idiot. Sorry I'm so stoo-stoo-stoo-stoopid. Duh, yup. If I only had a bwain.
Hey, Larry, my 87 IQ tells you to fuck off.
I did not mean to link this to Turd.
Liberals spend just as many dollars (blood soaked dollars) on war as the other party. Liberals think that disagreeing with republicans makes them right. Liberals have never heard of a strawman argument. Liberals hope for change, but keep their heads in the sand. Did I miss anything about the hypocritical political class known as democrat? Oh they believe that cow farts are changing the temperature of the earth. It is not the sun that does that, it is cow farts. Oh and they want to take away guns. And they support the republicans, except they pretend not to. No I bet it is you who does not understand the paradigm. There is no left and there is no right there are only two sides of this paradigm.
But guess what, the choices, yes your choices, are unlimited. What people do not realize is we make our world, for better and worse. All the choices of the world rest on each others conscience. Does it make you feel better to associate yourself with the herd and blame another group? That is common. Try stepping out of the house that the monopolists have built for you, and look to the heavens. There are answers even if we may never find them. We might as well look.
I don't understand how these things happen in the USA, where the world's best healthcare system can prescribe the best anti-depressants created by the best and brightest chemists in the free world.*
*sarcasm will appear in italics
This was a wake up call. I don't think it's been heard.
America just keeps hitting the snooze button.
+9 (minutes more)
Please just go shopping.
If nobody is around to hear the alarm clock, then it doesn't make a sound.
Nobody is around to hear the alarm clock.
Thus, it doesn't make a sound.
Are you sleeping, listeners?
Hate to fuel a conspiracy, but why the same lawyer as Timothy McVeigh?
Because he knows the ropes.
And when to take a dive...
The guy shot a 9yo. Looks pleased with himself, don't he?
I'd like to set your avatar loose on him. It just seems so eco friendly to do so, the best use of everyone's resources. Kitty of course gets to have the spoils, unless it would make kitty sick. You're the biologist, you would know better than me.
Oh the cat would hit that in a second. If it made him barf that would be okay too. There are some things you gotta do on general principles. Predation as a public service, as it were.
Predation as a public service, as it were.
All "public service" is predation.
Not sure what that means. It's hard to imagine a life without someone in public service. I suppose we could all police ourselves and put out our own fires and heal our own wounds. Maybe, in some places, people would do that for each other. Not sure.
Well guess what, at this rate it's what you'll get. We'll see then if the end of "public service" was what everyone really wanted. My sense is, people will wonder what went wrong.
All so called public service is predation because the services are provided by command rather than at request and all government funding is obtained through coercion.
The fire departments in my area are volunteer. But even if that weren't the case don't you think that it would be possible to pay people directly to fight fires rather than going through an inefficient government bureaucracy first? Why do you pretend that without government one could not have fire fighters?
Not very imaginative. My first college room mate was an amateur ham radio operator and voluntary member of his cities fire department. My grandfather could set simple fractures and basically anything that wasn't a nasty radial compound fracture.
Modern life. I was poisoned with mercury almagalm fillings at about 8 years old they've made me progressively sicker as my life has progressed. Every doctor I've ever visited has gone derp derp as to causation on this. Yet you can shoot people in the head and they can keep them alive. It's hard to resolve the vast differences between medicines competence and incompetence. Since sept 11 2009 ordirnary citizens have stopped or foiled more terroism than every newly created department to deal with it.
I discovered the mercury almalgam problem after staunchly refusing to do anything involving any person reguarding my health. I will not go to a doctor and I will not go to a dentist. I recieved a dream where i was looking a tooth that this person had a problem with and she said she was a dental heigeinist. I asked what the formula was for the filling material and recieved no answer. This lead me to search for filling material compositions and I finally discovered the mercury/silver almalgam material.
This doesn't make dreams a trusted source of information. They are huge liars. But they will finally give you the truth if you press them hard enough.
Doctors are not "ordinary" people. They use mostly aggregated energy. Their warm healing energy is not specific to the individual and they do not generate it. Most of them are emotionless sociopaths themselves. Capable of extreme harm up to and including viewing us simply as things to experiment on. Treating us entirely as piggy banks or walking wallets with no qualms whatsoever about taking everything someone has for a small chunk of their time or effort or ruthlessly picking at peoples insecurities for plastic surgery profits. They are so well fed energy wise it's hard for them to even maintain a relative understanding of what it's like to exist in the vampired class.
I do not like this place. I do not want to invest energy in it. I do not want to be bullied around by monopolized companies, monopolized justice, monopolized 'truth'. The only satisfying job you could offer me here is assisted suicide specialist.
Sorry, my wife's a Doctor, and you are GENERALIZING! Check your premises.
Yes I am to some extent. That's the problem. The mixing and entangling. Not all soldiers are emotionless. Not all doctors.
Which is why I want to know about these people. Why the get out of jail free card. Who are they and why are they even allowed to be here.
Tie a half a kilo of cat nip to that asshole's balls.
On a more mundane level:
Do we wish to go back in time and list the massive number of mentally incompetent foils that have been used as instruments of terror and change down through time?
Young Gent who supposedly set the Reichstag on Fire.
Mark Chapman
Berkowitz
Timmy McVeigh
bunch of "twinkle twinkle little star" Mk-Ultra time-bombs.
We just don't live in Kansas in my estimation. Not at all.
[He] has been assigned a lawyer who defended Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Timothy McVeigh.
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I guess he hadn't heard that Timothy McVeigh was executed. This is why you need to do some research before you pick your defense attorney!
I'm guessing that Mr. Loughner did NOT pick his lawyer -- one volunteered (one fame-seeking fool, that is!)
Nice looking youngster, makes you proud to be an earthling.
That dick weed looks like a young Uncle Fester....
What they should do is string him up near the Mexican border and have a pinata party...
String him up on the mexican border after you make him swallow 100 green cards... That ought to get him torn apart good and quick.
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Gore Vidal befriends him in 4...3....2.....1......
Supposedly another youtube account of his. Glimpse into the eyes of a schizo.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheGreatPiniter#p/a/u/0/aSwe66yGk3s
is this really him? Those 2 videos are f'd up.
90% sure, the birthday one has Jared in the description. How the fuck was this kid not committed? Jack Nicholson has nothing on him in those videos, the tweaks and laughing are pure schizo. How was this kid walking the streets, after hearing all his previous trouble with college/cops? If someone like this can stay off the mental health radar, how bad do you have to be before someone say's 'maybe this guy should be in a padded cell'?
That's not him.
There's a public photo of the real Jared dated March 2010. His hair is very short.
These 2 supposed videos posted were uploaded in July 2010.
Nobody's hair grows that fast.
Could be old videos shot before March, then cut his hair, then uploaded afterwards.
But, highly doubtful.
The kid in the videos is wanna-be crazy.
Jared, on the other hand, is the real fuckin' deal.
How the fuck was this kid not committed?
It takes money to commit someone and keep them committed. Who is going to pay? Should the state pay (with your tax dollars)? What if the parents can pay but refuse to? Should the state confiscate their money to pay for his incarceration?
I would absolutely say yes, we should use public money to keep crazy motherfuckers like this off the street. But I guess that makes me a communist to many of you. So junk away fuckwads.
Looks like a:
- Gold Hoarding Seditionist
- Gun and Ammo Toting Anarchist
- Angry S & P 500 Short Seller
- Gloom and Doom website lurker
- All of the Above.
Totally uncalled for.
Geez Robo if you are going to spew the propaganda at least post a nice pic to go with it.
Gee. I wonder if bernanke and tiny tim woke up tomorrow to 7 billion letters from all over the world stating fuck your dollar, fuck your irs fuck your imf. You are fired. I wonder if they would pack up their office and leave peacefully.
Someone should study history and see what happens when you try to get rid of central bankers. I bet you could glean some insight into it.
Um you referring to me?
No. Robo keeps bringing up people's "angry" disposition or loser status.
Nobody likes to lose and nobody likes to get ran over by trains.
The mere fact that you didn't have millions of dead bodies on the streets after the 2008 crash points to the average person being much much more accepting of defeat and being graceful in defeat. The fed has never accepted defeat, ever. They will stoop to any means to get power or regain it if they lose it.
Dupe.
Just remember that is how he snuck on this website and established cred in the first place!
Hey.. Cheap talking moron.... he was a Jew who went to the same synagogue as congresswoman Gifford.
http://www.whitenewsnow.com/forums/us-news-white-folks/13368-loughner-je...
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Does this information somehow figure into his motivation for shooting everybody, including her? That is, does it provide any useful insight into the situation at hand?
ALERT: ROBO is a data miner for one of the agencies.
sarcasm on or off Robo?
You're lameness is really starting to get the best of you.
I think the point here is that good guys need more guns, not less.
The alternative to the police state is a state where citizens can carry guns for protection.
Just imagine if this monster tried to pull out a gun (which he only acquired weeks ago) in a crowd that was packing. The death toll might have been 1 or 2, plus him.
There will never be enough police to stop this sort of thing. But, this kind of violence is unacceptable. We want more freedom, not less. How can these ideas work together.
The answer to me (unless I am crazy too) is to take back some amount of responsibilty for our safety and lives.
If a person was packing and took this guy down before he could hurt anyone else he'd be a national hero.
Actually there was at least one trained Concealed Weapons present and armed during that shooting. He made the decision not to draw and fire, but instead engaged the gunman physically.
Presence of mind to draw or not to draw made this man a example to all of us who Conceal Carry by License or in a Free State with training.
I think a few weeks into his time will take the smile off his face.
It enrages me that a nut like that can be so totally blissfully HAPPY without a care in the world, while lost in his own imaginary one having done something he wanted to do.
It enrages me that a nut like that can be so totally blissfully HAPPY without a care in the world, while lost in his own imaginary one having done something he wanted to do.
You really don't have a clue, do you? Do you believe that the mentally ill chose to be ill? Just who or what is the object of you rage?
Well crockett. You have to look behind the scenes. He's enraged because this happened without guilt or remorse which means he's likely been damaged by someone who had no guilt or remorse. I'm sure this guy is generating a fuck ton of rage in madoff's victims.
But that still further excaberates my points about how we are not given the whole story and allowed to act with complete conciousness about these things. We are simply used as disparate in the dark generators and recievers. If we can't focus our judgement due to the concealing nature of this operation then our judgements are most certainly misused by being "personalized" through our own experiences.
"Actually there was at least one trained Concealed Weapons present and armed during that shooting. He made the decision not to draw and fire, but instead engaged the gunman physically."
And that's a very good thing because for once, rather than the typical case where some nut kills a bunch of people and then kills himself or is killed by others, usually cops, we hopefully find out what brought the nut to this point. However, in pretty much open and shut cases like this, the prosecution, the only party that has the ability to investigate leads thoroughly with the force of law, do not want to complicate the case and go for the easy conviction with minimum side issues. This was the case in the OKC bombing prosecution where the prosecutor didn't want to complicate "sure thing" convictions by introducing John Doe 2, 3, 4, etc.
I guess the Ft Hood shooter's court date is still pending.
Wonder if he can get a gig doing the next mayhem commercial for Allstate.
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does anyone think this sends a message to the rest of Congress? Or does it just promote the hiring of more bodyguards for elected officials and the corrupt game continues?
Well if it is job creation......
The only message CONgress ever gets is from those who line their pockets and grease their palms. That wouldn't be us, of course.
He looks to be thoroughly enjoying his 15-minutes of fame/infamy.
Yes, too bad he couldnt get some recognition another less violent way ... maybe he could have learned just to insult people and say stupid things, for example, on ZH where he would get a lot of responses and make him feel important.
This generation's Charles Manson. Where is Sqeaky Frum?