Lucas van Praag: "Don't Blame Goldman For The Food Crisis, Blame The Middle Class"

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jerry_theking_lawler's picture

where did everybody go??

topcallingtroll's picture

Every once in a while i have to take a piss.

Yen Cross's picture

Cute. Block writing is un-intelligent! Grammar posters? A little Grammer? Seee you all in London. Love those 10 YR. BUND prices! A smack in the ass they are!

floydian slip's picture

THE QUESTION IS MOOT!

 

Glodman Squid tis but a tentacle

 

Keri at Bankster Report's picture

Over to the Bloomberg archives, July 2010:

"Turning commodity futures into securities unleashed a much larger sales force -- stockbrokers selling a product many of them didn’t understand, he says. Passive buy-and-hold investors at one point in mid-2008 held the equivalent of three years of production of soft red winter wheat. Wall Street’s success in attracting those buyers boosted demand for futures contracts, which helped determine what consumers would pay for baked goods. 

Wheat prices jumped 52 percent in early 2008, setting records before plunging again, and sugar more than doubled last year even as the economy slowed, forcing Reinwald’s Bakery in Huntington, New York, to fire five of its 32 employees. “You try and budget to make money, but that’s becoming impossible to predict,” says owner Richard Reinwald, chairman of the Retail Bakers of America.

Cocoa futures reached a 30-year high early this year because of speculators, according to Juergen Steinemann, chief executive officer of the world’s largest maker of bulk chocolate, Zurich-based Barry Callebaut. At the airport, the new $25 charge for checking a suitcase exists partly because airlines have to set aside cash to hedge against sharper ups and downs in oil prices, says Bob Fornaro, CEO of AirTran Holdings. “This has been very, very good for Wall Street,” he says."

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"With no job, Forero holed up in his home office, sifting through data with a Hewlett-Packard scientific calculator. He became convinced that the products UBS had sold were hurting investors and disrupting supply and demand for basic commodities. 

“I’ve always been a little naïve, and maybe I still am,” he says. “But how can the government allow that? People in our industry talk about it -- everybody knows about it. This has to come to light.” UBS spokesman Doug Morris declined to comment."

break. and my favorite:

"Goldman owns a global network of aluminum warehouses.  Morgan Stanley chartered more tankers than Chevron last year (2009), according to shipbroker Poten & Partners.  And JPMorgan Chase hired a supertanker to store heating oil off Malta last year, likely earning returns of better than 50 percent in six months, says oil economist Philip Verleger. “Many, many firms did this,” he adds, explaining that ETF investors created this “profitable, risk-free arbitrage opportunity” when they plowed into commodities. Futures are bilateral; if someone’s buying, someone else is selling. “And the only way to attract sellers is to offer them a bigger profit,” Verleger says. “So, ironically, passive investors have been sowing the seeds of their own defeat” -- and contributing to the contango that does in their funds."

The article is worth reading again.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-22/etfs-imperil-commodity-investor...

IdioTsincracY's picture

 

...the topic of Goldman being involved in market manipulation is nothing new to Zero Hedge

...in light of Obama's recent witchhunt against "speculators."

 

Please, reconcile 'manipulation is nothing new' with witchhunt ...

Thnks!

Tyler Durden's picture

One can "Speculate" without being a "hedge fund of scale", large enough to manipulate a market, and/or break established trading rules (as weak as they may be). Reconciled.

MayIMommaDogFace2theBananaPatch's picture

Ah, you can speak quite well with an economy of words when you try!  Nicely said.

IdioTsincracY's picture

Still, i do not see a witchhunt ... no witch there, just all too real, as a matter of fact..

 

[BTW: Tyler, thanks for your all your work!]

Stormdancer's picture

Do you really believe that Obama is really going to go after the real manipulators of prices and markets in anything?

Since "witch hunt", in my mind, implies a concerted effort to lay blame on the innocent as a way to divert attention from the guilty, "witch hunt" is appropos.

DaveyJones's picture

Well said. Kauffman's reply handled it as well. The irony of the meat eating emerging markets theory is that its true and the last thing we should be doing in a world where food and food production is getting tighter is allow this kind of market makers

Urban Redneck's picture

I think Kauffman's reply was a hell of a lot better than his original BS piece, which completely ignored Bernank's incessant money printing, and Wall Street's self-destruction/ponzi collapse of all their other fiat "investment" outlets.  In addition, as FP is a lobbying rag, it is convenient that Kauffman ignored the role of the CFMA in increasing speculation, I guess he didn't want to get on the bad side of anyone he might be lobbying next week.  In his original piece Kauffman also provided misleading statistics on commodity inflows in 2008, blurring the distinction between Goldman's role as an innovator of paper crap, and its role as one of countless Wall Street purveyors of paper products that seek a paper yield based on some "correlation" to the price movements of an underlying basket tangible assets.  Finally, the way he focused specifically on a wheat commodity roll trade makes me wonder  if his financial background doesn't include washing out of a Wall Street sausage grinder.  That said, I think van Praag's pathetic response which somehow missed a lot of the points mentioned above, provided Kauffman a wonderful opportunity to properly rip Goldman a new one.  

pan-the-ist's picture

It is true, but it isn't the cause.  The market decides the price of a 16 oz Ribeye, but Goldman sux shouldn't be fleecing their clients just before that steak reaches my plate.

topcallingtroll's picture

Then someone develop short only.commodity index funds?

dcb's picture

sco or cmd, these double shorts I trade and try to make sure I have them around the roll over days for easy pickings. the easiest trade around.

rocker's picture

+1  One can also trade overseas in mostly unregulated futures markets.

Yen Cross's picture

Most over seas markets are well regulated. It's about keeping money onshore. (USA) people are expatriating.

Muir's picture

@Tyler

"One can "Speculate" without being a "hedge fund of scale", large enough to manipulate a market, and/or break established trading rules (as weak as they may be). Reconciled."

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fuck that was good.

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zaknick's picture

Amerika, the KKK empire!

topcallingtroll's picture

What fantastically enlightened country do you live in?
Has any of your minorities ever been elected president?
Does your country even have elections? Or civil rights?

zaknick's picture

Dude, in my country minorities aré displaced from their homes by CIA authorized paramilitary drug traffickers. They are murdered by these same paramilitaries tgat work for Chiquita (Rockefeller) Drummond Coal, Shell (British Crown and Rothschild), Occidental Petroleum (Bush), Anglo Gold Ashanti (Oppenheimer/Cecil Rhodes money)....etc etc

guess who's coming to town this year?

Xe! wheeee... formerly known as

You really think OBH is just some regular Joe? How brainwashed!

topcallingtroll's picture

U must be really embarrased about where you live if you wont give us the name.

I am sure that all of your problems are caused by foreigners, since you third worlders are so virtuous and perfect.

You give us trolls a bad name.

zaknick's picture

...,total redneck

lost cause... u drank deeply from their Kool Aid.

topcallingtroll's picture

Like i said.

Give us the name of the third world shit hole you live in.

topcallingtroll's picture

Creo que eres de Columbia, maricon.

Cuando yo estaba en Venezuela y Columbia yo tiraba con muchas latinas. Siempre ellas prefieren gringos, juevon.

zhandax's picture

My Spanish is a little rusty....you fucked a lot of them or you shot a lot of them?

topcallingtroll's picture

It may just be a local venezuelan slang, but anyone from colombia would know what i said. Go to latin america , learn the language, and as an american you will be in poontang heaven.

I dont appreciate gratuitous insulting comments from a colombian who is angry he cant get a usa visa.

IdiotsOutWalkingAbout's picture

Troll you are plain dumb.

Colombia is a country. Columbia is a bunch of other stuff like schools and companies.

Your Spanish skills really suck. Get a clue. 

topcallingtroll's picture

Hehehe.

I mispelled one word.

Very sorry!

Stormdancer's picture

Have you ever travelled more than 50 miles from your birthplace??

topcallingtroll's picture

Quite a bit actually.

I just want him to answer the question.

Stormdancer's picture

You obviously didn't learn anything significant in your travels.  You are the epitome of the "ugly American" stereotype ....absolutely clueless as to the incredible rape second and third world peoples have experienced at the hands of US based international companies.

For a while I wondered why the various brown skinned people I came to know harbored such resentment toward the US.  It was easy to mark it down to "jealousy" for awhile.  But, as I got to know them and listened to their stories around meagre meals they sacrificed much to share with me, I found out different.  I thought I was carrying an M-16 for the love of God, Mom, apple pie and bringing freedom to oppressed people.  Boy was I deluded.

topcallingtroll's picture

Ugly American?

I dont recall going to a south american website and making gratuitous insulting remarks.

I just want to know what country he is from.

Stormdancer's picture

Gratuitous??  ROFL....  you prove my point.  You don't need to know what country he's from.  There are dozens to choose from.  Anywhere in South America, the Middle East, India, most of  Southeast Asia and significant portions of Africa will do just fine.  You really need to do some digging into the hideous practices corporations routinely employ behind the wall of protection provided by US Army hobnailed boots.

topcallingtroll's picture

I figured it out by his comments.

They were poor before we were even developed. They will be poor long after we are gone.

I am sure their own people and political systems have nothing to do with their backwardness.

It always feels better to externalize blame on evil foreigners. That way people never have to look inward.

Stormdancer's picture

It always feels better to externalize blame on evil foreigners. That way people never have to look inward.

There is none so blind as he who will not see.

Stormdancer's picture

If you really want to extend your education and get a clue how this world really works, start with Iran.

Just google "Mohammed Mossadegh", "Reza Pahlavi" and "Savak".  Had it not been for "our" choices (I use "our" very advisedly because most Americans are clueless about what was done in our name), and you'll see a tale of hypocrisy, murder, graft and corruption that is the back story and the fundamental reason for why Iran is what it is today.  We live in a very dangerous world...of our own making.

The same story has played out all across central and south America in so many iterations it'll blow your mind.  If you dare face truth. 

 

Edit:  Google "General Smedley Butler" if you care to get a clue what's gone on in South America ... and how long it's been going on.

topcallingtroll's picture

r

Dude I speak spanish and spent quite a bit of time in south america and it is pretty funny how presumptious you are. I read smedley's book and dont get my education from google snippets

Stormdancer's picture

Then it is certainly true of you when it was said

"...ever learning but never coming to a knowledge of the truth."

Stormdancer's picture

I read smedley's book and dont get my education from google snippets

You have read Smedley's book and you speak Spanish.  Isn't that special!

Yet you cannot sympathize with or understand the righteous anger people feel after having their faces repeatedly ground into the dirt because in your judgement they're from some "third world shit hole"???

You are not human.  It's very likely that the same forces are in the process of turning this nation into one of those third world shit holes and you'll get an opportunity to experience some of the same injustices you currently blind yourself to.  I feel no joy in the thought, but there is a certain sense of justice about it.  Enjoy your share of the blowback.

Redneck Makin-tosh's picture

Righteous anger never focuses on the guilty and is best endured with polite gratitude.

bill40's picture

Love your comments but zerohedge is largely a morality free zone imho. Keep the faith.

zaknick's picture

Civil rights in Amerikkka? Only for white people and even then it's iffy with the paramilitarization of the police. What about the millions of blacks in prison for "drugs"(tgat the CIA brought in like crack)?

War on Drugs is part Jim Crow ethnic cleansing and part imperialism (a black market with its ensuing criminality and violence used to destabilize countries /old colonialism trick). 95% of "drug offenders" are blacks and Hispanics (see www.leap.cc ).

I know the states very well and a black actor as president doesn't fool me. The state dept does that too; use "ethnic" spokespeople to hide their ugly redneck thug faces. Most people don't know better and are fooled. Kinda like ur little imbecilic rant.

Schooled again.

Stormdancer's picture

It appears the schooling will be completely ineffective, but please keep trying.  Some will get it ... some are getting it.  It's very likely too late, but while I live I maintain hope that perhaps we can take back what was designed to be a great nation and a blessing to the world.  It can be again if we can get back to our roots and I truly believe most Americans would be appalled at what our wealth, influence and military might have really been used for.

pan-the-ist's picture

Columbia -

You should move to a better country.  That one sucks.

RKDS's picture

If the war on drugs is really about ethnic cleansing, they're doing a ridiculously poor job of it.  All you ever seem to see or hear is more of those people moving in to this or that town/city/state.