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LulzSec Takes Down

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Nope. This is not an Onion headline. Go ahead. Try it out.

Internet kill switch on in T minus 5...4...3... as full blown retaliation against all (cyber)enemies foreign and domestic hits new highs. And since no crisis can go to waste, next up is the the appointment of the propaganda Internet Tzar.


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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:54 | 1372706 richard in norway
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is this false flag



Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:05 | 1372764 redpill
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Pretty damn hard not to think so.  DDoSing, I mean really?  Why?  Sounds like a set-up to convince people we need the "internet kill switch" bullshit, which is basically declaring a global dictatorship which can pull the plug on modern society at any moment.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:23 | 1372834 gdogus erectus
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Funny because (illuminati backwards) still works...

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:44 | 1372909 sgt_doom
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I believe they could get away with it because this lady no longer works there:


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:39 | 1373044 JW n FL
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The Vatican comparing hacker philosophy to Christianity:


Holy War Against Corporations!


“We the People” NOT! "We the Lobby Whores Who Fuck Over We the Sheepeople"

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:22 | 1373136 eureka
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Nice link to good contemplations, JW. Thank You.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 21:02 | 1373202 Manthong
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Brilliant.. on the same day this is published:

"The recent rash of disclosures about cyberspying comes as the White House is making its third attempt to push through a historic federal cybersecurity law.

The timing is no coincidence, some cybersecurity analysts say. After two previous bills went nowhere, the White House needs to garner public support for a new law that could equip America for cyberwarfare.

"The best way to do that is to get folks worried that we're under attack from some foreign state like China or North Korea," says Ed Adams, CEO of Security Innovation, which integrates security systems for government agencies."

WTF? Can it possibly be that easy for them?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 21:50 | 1373277 CrazyCooter
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Just camping the top because I had a thought that cements my perspective on this whole thing.

The reason Lulz went after WoW (World of Warcraft - huge online MMO) is the clinch for me; this is a demographic which is probably largely disconnected from what is going on and will likely be "glad" to see what ever government action is forthcoming. Every night, millions of people come home from work, log in, socialize/raid, and generally get their veggie time. This demographic is usually highly annoyed when servers are down, thus without proper understanding of current world events (read: they are fsking clueless) will immediately desire who ever is responsible to DIAF.

I am now officially 100% in the "Lulz is a goverment operation" camp, the only "outing" with regards to "hacking" will be TPTB sacking enemies held close to the vest. I agree with TD that the internet kill switch is imminent. All hell is about to break lose me thinks.



Wed, 06/15/2011 - 22:05 | 1373311 The Rock
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What do you guys think of this?


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 22:13 | 1373329 wannabe traitor
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This makes no sense though. If it was a government operation, the same government owned by the banksters, what is the end result? Take out the internet, and there goes a shitload of  businesses. Wall Street also depends on the internets. My back office phased out the DTCC application and strictly uses the internet version now, as do others.


would the gov really bite the hand that feeds it?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 22:29 | 1373348 Manthong
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From that same USA today article:

"the White House is making its third attempt to push through a historic federal cybersecurity law."

"It would establish a framework for distributing billions of dollars for new cybersecurity systems, while placing responsibility for securing cyberspace with the Department of Homeland Security."

That's all a thinking person needs to know.

Patriot act under DHS = toddler fondling
Historic federal cybersecurity under DHS = ?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:31 | 1373477 wanklord
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Thu, 06/16/2011 - 01:25 | 1373633 hungarianboy
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Linux is good for running servers nothing more than that.

To whois a domain you can go to as well. Not need to /whois domain tho.

saves a lot learning :-)



Wed, 06/15/2011 - 22:33 | 1373351 chumbawamba
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Think it through:

They won't kill THE internet, they'll kill OUR internet.

It will be an internet of, by and for commerce.  The connections will be heavily regulated and require huge licensing fees for commerce, but corporations get to write it off.  Your connection will only allow government approved websites.  If you don't register your website with the DoJ and get an approval permit in the form of an encrypted digital security token that must be served up on your website upon login or expiration of session--just like when you get pulled over your license and registration is demanded.  Your blog and all public forums will be heavily moderated by "licensed" moderators or clumsily filtered by special servers installed at the root domain level.  Nothing Google--<ahem> er I mean the government deems "offensive" (to the government, of course) will either be ******** *** or you'll get the equivalent of a 404 error.  They'll probably make it the 666 error, or maybe the 1337 error, as in you're not leet nuff lamer.

So yes, there goes the internet, here comes the totalitarian mind prison.  I'll be lucky if I get this message posted in time.

I'll meet you all in the underground.  POTS and 56K modems aren't that bad ;)

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 22:46 | 1373386 Bolweevil
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Create the new (old) network. Time to troll the webs for vintage hardware?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:12 | 1373451 Prometheus418
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Anyone have a half-decent link to a tutorial on setting up a network of wireless routers?

Could defang this thing if everyone has their own recieve/transmit node.  Probably not fast, but slow is better than nothing.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 09:23 | 1374069 ibjamming
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It was already done...they used home wireless routers with open connections and special software that searched from one network to the other.  They did a whole town (college town).  It was slow as hell...but it did work.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 22:36 | 1373357 Lord Koos
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The CIA site seems to be working fine now.  But 4chan is still down.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 03:43 | 1373717 Hobbleknee
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Seriously, you don't understand why the government would want to control the Internet?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 22:41 | 1373370 bankonzhongguo
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Hackers are gamers and don't attack the very places they like to hang out.  Taking out Sony, Blizzard or Bethesda is not a hacker MO.

The last thing a politically conscious hacker group (when did this come to light again?) is going to do is attack their political base - other whacked out unemployed 20-somethings.

On top of it all, real hackers don't publicize their works.  Maybe amid hacker community, but not twitter.

This is another underwear bomber setup.

To the guys running this:  Real Americans don't run psy-ops on their own people. 

You're a bunch of tools.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 22:45 | 1373384 chumbawamba
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That's the thing.  These guys aren't Americans, they're Satan.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:25 | 1373466 Bananamerican
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hey Chumb

Could you change your handle to "i am self-absorbed, unbalanced, flaming, nigger, douchenozzle" (maybe throw in something about your colon too?) for accuracy's sake? 

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 00:35 | 1373597 magis00
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That's nice. I junked you, though.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 02:23 | 1373669 Bananamerican
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and i returned the favor

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 09:43 | 1374132 Zymurguy
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You're getting junked for the "n" word fooooo!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:13 | 1373443 JW n FL
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by CrazyCooter
on Wed, 06/15/2011 - 21:50


I am now officially 100% in the "Lulz is a goverment operation" camp, the only "outing" with regards to "hacking" will be TPTB sacking enemies held close to the vest. I agree with TD that the internet kill switch is imminent. All hell is about to break lose me thinks.


Regards, Cooter




Sir! Yes!! Sir!!!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 21:36 | 1373253 YHC-FTSE
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 22:40 | 1373379 chumbawamba
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Watch this trend.

This is a watershed dissertation, a turning point.  It means the HRE is now going to full embrace (i.e. coopt) the hackersphere and ultimately the entire online sphere.  The Church is moving into cyberspace and they're intending to take the millenias-old racket into the 21st century.  They're taking over.

My friends (and enemies) it is time to start taking the idea of a revolution seriously.  This document is the clarion call to the foot soldiers.  This is auguring the beginning of the next battle for humanity, to be fought entirely in cyberspace.  It is now, indeed, a brave new world.  It's time to start logging out from this internet and to start building an entirely parallel but hidden and uninterruptable...let's call it the Metanet.  It will be a combination of point-to-point and wideband WiFi, perhaps physical landlines between local points, and VPNs over the Internet to create an entirely redundant yet robust and non-centralized network of, by and for human beings.

This is the real deal.  I do not spout my mouth off about things I do not know.  I know what this document means.  It's time to start to seriously put an effort towards building an alternative from the grass roots level.


I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:01 | 1373421 Oh regional Indian
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With you Chumba.

And from our prev. discussions, as you can imagine, I have an "idea" or three about how.

And yes, short hand-off networks. It's going to take doing, but can be done.

Let me know if you want to get in touch.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:13 | 1373454 Max Hunter
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I'll supply the Jew Bashing...

And i'll help in any way I can..

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:10 | 1373437 Bolweevil
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:29 | 1373474 Bananamerican
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  "I do not spout my mouth off about things I do not know...."

the fuck you say?


"It's time to start logging out from this internet and to start building an entirely parallel but hidden and uninterruptable...let's call it the Metanet."

was the "Chumbanet™" taken?

After you, you 56k douchenozzle....





Thu, 06/16/2011 - 01:12 | 1373627 David Davidson
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Yep. Hard times for the internet as we know it ahead indeed.

TOR could do the trick, but it'll get you on watch list and vanned probably.


And who the fuck is junking chumba for this?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 02:29 | 1373677 Bananamerican
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Chumba-nigger has his fans here......and then there are those that know him....

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 01:24 | 1373631 Reptil
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I'm in. How?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 09:47 | 1374150 Zymurguy
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I'm with you meng.

HAM enthusiasts can set up an interweb thingy through their radio networks too... might be some help.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:01 | 1372958 BennyBoy
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I laughed out loud!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:20 | 1372835 schadenfreude
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My first thought as well

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:30 | 1372875 Oracle of Kypseli
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What if.. The CIA has a plan to get the FED when TSHTF and blame it on these guys? No Congress or O'bummer needed.

Go for it CIA. Make his day short. Burn his records

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:25 | 1372843 AldoHux_IV
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Dressed like the average protestor, but far more violent and malicious the CIA helps create the need to stomp down freedom of speech and the right to revolt (when it's not on their agenda to overthrow a rogue government).

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:35 | 1372881 SilverIsKing
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I don't think an attack on the CIA website is enough to create perception that an internet kill switch is warranted.

Now, if they take down Facebook, Ebay, Youtube, et al, people will truly understand the importance of a kill switch to "protect" us from those really bad guys.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:34 | 1372890 jus_lite_reading
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Why the CIA? Why waste time... I mean they could be going after Wall St crooks instead and wipe out their banks accounts!!! 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:40 | 1372895 redpill
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It's just a DDoS attack, they didn't actually get into the CIA servers or anything.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 22:38 | 1373365 Lord Koos
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Yep, this kind of thing isn't really "hacking" at all, & takes little skill.  It's the internet equivalent of driving by and throwing a rock through someone's window.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:41 | 1372911 Badabing
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Yea, they should be going after the banks. If they hit the guys that make the laws guess what?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:16 | 1373132 VogonPoet
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"Why the CIA?"

um, how about for the lolz?

This is like the old fart cusion on the teacher chair. I loled. I bet the cia is so pissed! They have no sense of humor.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:39 | 1372893 redpill
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I still don't understand how they can make the case that shutting off the entire internet is going to help the situation; people still wouldn't be able to access Facebook/Ebay/Youtube or anything else for that matter.  I'm sure their "kill switch" idea would be that they (the government) would still be able to use the 'net but everyone else would be cut off.  Of course for "emergencies" and for our "security" but it doesn't get much more Orwellian than that.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:55 | 1372932 CH1
Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:41 | 1372898 Citxmech
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I'm not understanding how you'd justify shutting down the entire internet to keep hackers from shutting down certain websites. 

Isn't that sort of like taking away our freedom to save us from folk who want to take away our freedom?

Oh wait. . .

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:43 | 1372903 redpill
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I C What u Did Thar!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:49 | 1373080 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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You've got it all wrong.  They're taking away our freedom in order to protect us from people who want to kill us because they hate our freedom.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:06 | 1373436 Max Hunter
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LMAO... that's good stuff..

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:02 | 1373098 FeralSerf
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There's something here that you don't seem to understand.  They hate us for our freedom.  Therefor, if we have no more freedom, they will no longer hate us and there will be no reason for them to strap explosives to their balls and try to blow us (or at least their balls) up.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:04 | 1373103 A Nanny Moose
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Why not. Abondoning the "free market" to save it, and merging TBTF has worked so well. /sarc

Gummint Solutionz.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:04 | 1373105 gangland
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:01 | 1373423 Oh regional Indian
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Well played Citx, well played.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:21 | 1373023 Vagabond
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Only the government would think that taking down the entire Internet is a good solution to a single website being attacked/taken down.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:37 | 1372886 dollarcoaster
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One more road merger! Well said.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:33 | 1372887 dollarcoaster
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One more road merger! Well said.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 22:38 | 1373373 quintago
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Operation Black Briar?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 00:28 | 1373587 bankruptcylawyer
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this is my first impulse to think this. but unless you start seeing lulsec "taking credit" for future and bigger attacks that have significant media value ( like taking credit for hacking a powergrid and shutting it down), then i think it's also more likely that it's just a bad hoaxster. 


so, what i am saying is that you can't know for sure, but if you see this lulzec business get down to 'consumer attacks' , than it is morel likely to be a false flag, because no-one in their right head who is attacking the imf and then the cia and claims to be against the banking system would go out and attack the very victims of that system that they were trying to help. it would be at most pointless and at worst, a bad recruiting strategy...perhaps like hamas attacking palestinians who live in the west bank but happen to work in israel for a living ( many of them do have labor jobs there). ---hamas DOES NOT do that. which is my point.


if lulzec limits its attacks to meaningful strategic targets, than i think you can cross off the false flag. once you see any MSM campaign of propoganda against hackers hurting the 'everyman' pointing out to an attack on 'the people', than you know there is some false flag shit going on.




Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:19 | 1372813 Ying-Yang
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Heh heh... somebody has to go to jail...

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:27 | 1372851 seek
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Yep, pretty clearly.

Something must be up, usually they slow-play this kind of thing and this looks kind of rushed.

Someone noted earlier today that Adrian Lamo was referenced in the DNS registration of one of the lulz sites, which immediately makes everything suspect. (Probably someone doing it for parody value, but still...)


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:56 | 1372711 taraxias
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This is Lieberman's wet dream

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:09 | 1372774 john39
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more like his minions' handiwork.  trace that attack back to tel aviv.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 21:07 | 1373179 Dejean Splicer
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Exactly. It smells like lizard juice. Bloomberg prolly ordered it so he could produce a story about how we need a division at homoland security to police the dangerous hackers.

But the real question here is: How does Team Tyler learn of all the late breaking LolzSac hacks? As they are in progress too, not after the fact.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 22:57 | 1373409 Bolweevil
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:12 | 1372793 I think I need ...
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i said this the other day and got junked, as soon as I heard the 3rd hacking attack i became suspicious

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:53 | 1372712 mendigo
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sorry for off-topic post but it is too ggod to pass-up

current NYT site headline:

The White House says the [War Powers] act requiring approval by Congress doesn’t apply to the Libya operation because what United States forces are doing there doesn’t amount to “hostilities.”

this is too much fun

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:55 | 1372726 Temporalist
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It's kinetic using your Wii, Xbox or PS3.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:01 | 1372743 RockyRacoon
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Yeah, like the Korean War was a "Police Action".

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:04 | 1372753 mendigo
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it's only a flesh-wound

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:25 | 1373145 eureka
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Yep, there are no more wars, legally speaking, only rhetorically.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:18 | 1372804 Ying-Yang
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Dude... Libya  is so Transitory

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:19 | 1373135 VogonPoet
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Its not war if you don't declare it.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 00:20 | 1373578 Manthong
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It's just a policy action that involves munitions.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:00 | 1373420 Bolweevil
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OT, but Similar:
Smooth crooner in calm voice on NPR stated (paraphrase) it was better for the US to have the CIA conduct operations instead of military because CIA doesn't have to answer to Yemeni government. Also none of the drones in use have used force... Except two, a month ago.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:57 | 1372713 three chord sloth
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Can't connect to it. Did the CIA pull it offline themselves, or is this a DDS attack from Lulz?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:14 | 1372805 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Yeah, the same thought crossed my mind. How about they bring down G-Sachs' HFT servers. Now that's some hacking I can get behind.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:24 | 1372850 TruthInSunshine
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I want to see Bernanke's, Geithner's, Paulson's, Dudley's, et al. real files - the ones that have their real memos regarding meetings with Jamie, Lloyd and the Wall Street BSDs.

If LulzSec can deliver those, they can call themselves KrustyTheClown and I'll get behind that movement.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:18 | 1372997 GeoffreyT
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Patience, TruthInSunshine... all their server are belong to @lulzsec (and other, more radical crews like Gnosis and Baphomet); there is, no doubt, a fuckload of data to be gone through.

And a bunch of it will be encrypted, which means spending about two hours finding the passphrase for each of tghese soi-disant genii (this type of numbnuts always keeps their passphrases in plaintext somewhere).

@lulzsec (and others) will deliver.

As for the 'false-flag'-aholics... for fuck's sake, gentlemen - you folks are the guys at whom the last episode of South Park was aimed. You guys, and the "Wikileaks is a CIAZioJoo front" and what not... it gets a little old.

The hack-ocracy is putting the fucking runs on the board, bitchez - they have given the kleptocrats more black eyes in the last two years than they have had since Ellsberg learned to use a photocopier.

So, y'know... don't do the Insecurity Complex's FUD-job for them - at the very least make them do it themselves so that their IPs can be observed and recorded.

Expect Us... or Joe Rogan (that man is pretty much everything that's RIGHT with America - him, TD/ZH and m00t together would fuck up a thousand eagles)

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:46 | 1373057 cougar_w
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:53 | 1373081 SilverDosed
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Said it better than i ever could.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:59 | 1373092 SMG
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Thanks, me and the kids appretiate it.  Onward to a better, more free world!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:30 | 1373147 Tunga
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They killed the CIA! Bastards!

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 01:32 | 1373638 Reptil
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Still.... Chumba's proposition to make redundant systems is a good idea.

What else have we got left now? Sneak messages into newspapers? Door to door pamphlets? :-S

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 01:40 | 1373645 redpill
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If that's true then stop fucking around with these government fuckheads and hit the Fed and JP Morgan already goddamnit.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:48 | 1372920 sgt_doom
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You are getting's the DTC and DTCC subs you want:

Depository Trust Company, DTCC Deriv/SERV LLC, etc.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:10 | 1373447 Oh regional Indian
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Funny why you got junked. The DTCC is the cesspool.

It's the robosigning scandal of stocks X 1,000,000.

Talk about bringing the whole infrastructure down though. If DTCC is creamed, the markets cannot re-open. Period.

ICE ICE baby!


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:57 | 1372714 Robslob
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Site won't load...down she goes...

It might have been funnier if they redirected traffic to the FBI site and vice versa?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:56 | 1372731 Dr. Acula
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Or to the Cullinary Institute of America


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:28 | 1372860 andybev01
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+1, topped with a dollop of creme fraiche.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:28 | 1373036 HungrySeagull
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Or Fried with a side of heart attack burger.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:00 | 1372968 Thomas
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That was hysterical. BTW, and are dead ends. I wonder who bought them up and froze them.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:27 | 1372854 paulbain
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LulzSec hits FBI, too.

RobSlob wrote:



It might have been funnier if they redirected traffic to the FBI site and vice versa?


Actually, LulzSec apparently hit the FBI, too:



LulzSec Phone-Bombs FBI and Blizzard


One thing is certain. The crackers in LulzSec are damned good, OR they have considerable "inside" help at the CIA and FBI. Or BOTH!!


-- Paul D. Bain

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:30 | 1372867 andybev01
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...or our government cyber-structure is outsourced to Bangladesh.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:48 | 1372926 sgt_doom
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"...or our government cyber-structure is outsourced to Bangladesh."

Not too far off the mark there, bubba!

Where do you think all those credit derivatives and futures contracts are being processed at?

If you responded China -- you'd be right on target!

but what do you expect from an agency that outsources a $3 million costing contract for $1 billion (which is why they tried to fry whistleblower, Thomas Drake).


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:50 | 1373071 JW n FL
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And now there’s the Drake case. Aside from the problems the government had with classified evidence, it faced a real challenge proving Drake believed the information would cause the US harm, as the Espionage Act requires. He gathered several of the charged documents in support of an Inspector General complaint for which he argued the NSA spent $1 billion outsourcing a program it could have done better in-house for $3 million. Long before the case crumbled, the government tried to prevent Drake from explaining his Inspector General complaint to the jury, but the judge ruled against the government.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:22 | 1373137 JW n FL
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60 Minutes Drake getting the shaft for telling the truth and trying to help America! Tell the Truth and go to Jail and in his case.. get your name smeared for trying to secure the Nation! Fucking scumbag fucks need to be found and hanged for this bullshit and a LOT more!


The bill includes protection for national security whistleblowers that the House removed last December after objections by retiring member Pete Hoekstra (R.-Mich.), the former ranking member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. Although both parties agreed to the removal and the bill passed that chamber unanimously, GAP has learned over the last several weeks that House Republican leadership secretly asked Senate Republican leadership to block the legislation’s passage, and the shrunken bill was killed on December 22 by a "secret hold" hours before Congress adjourned (see more below).


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:27 | 1373465 Rick64
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  General Michael Hayden (NSA Director 99-05) was the one that implemented the Trailblazer Program, and a large part of that program was directed at illegal wiretapping of U.S. citizens through the telecom agencies. The program fell apart after rampant wasteful spending. General Michael Hayden has retired and is on the Board of Directors for Motorola Solutions (Telecom Co.? Coincidence?). Also a principle of Chertoff Group (Yep Michael Chertoff's Security Consultancy Co.).

 Inefficiency and incompetence rewarded again and again. On top of that they will prosecute Thomas Drake on an espionage charge for blowing the whistle on this kind of activity . One of the charges was that he had classified files at his home which were taken during a raid then went through a reclassification process, and presto the documents became classified.  It is ironic that people in the government that are guilty of espionage and treason are persecuting whistle blowers on the very charges that they themselves are guilty of.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 01:46 | 1373647 Reptil
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I think Hayden was too ethical and had his carreer derailed.

I've seen a speech of him that made some sense, he put critical questions about ethics forward. This was after retirement, or in the process of retiring.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 09:36 | 1374098 Rick64
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Their words mean nothing, look at their actions. Of course many of them grow a conscience after they retire.

 The government has dropped all major charges against Thomas Drake, but they have sent a warning to whistleblowers.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:01 | 1372917 BlackholeDivestment
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If agents were actually able to labor the harvest, at this point in prophecy, they would be overcome by the darkness. It's funny if you consider the whole idead of ''super central intelligence'' directed through the ''New World Order Home Land Security Director of Intelligence'' mandate of communication among all the departments of intelligence ...and it's gone. LOL

The new FBI CIA secret slogan among the few good guys is ''it goes dark upon revelation''.

If you have ever paid attention to the spy vs spy, Control Chaos, dark pools light up in the Old Pirate Eye and the burdensome stone is clear to witness among men of old, men of renown. Sold out Bitchez inside the black hole are Antichrist spazolas or compartmentalized moronic robot children of the grave. One dashes their foot upon the stone in the dark and the other throws your children on the alter of Moloch. Any kind of conversion or revelation within that binary reality ...well, ''it goes dark upon revelation''. Second death Bitchez...

The fact is, the FBI and CIA etc... have people following ''new world orders'' and Old Glory, The Constitution ...has nothing to do with the ''legal tender'' (corruption) of the global ''Union of the Snake''. The ''Gates'' just opened up today (on Capitol Hill) when asked if people lie to each other in the government. He was too stupid(?) to say ''no'', to get a laugh, but, when you consider the crowd ...held in contempt.

The parable is life, among the dead. Muu haaa haa haaa.

P.S. ...plain to see, the bees are going dark and the buzz on the street is ''it's time to stand fast in love and do no harm''. Same as it ever was ...same as ...ever was.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 21:28 | 1373247 MobBarley
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The dark night of the soul, the ultimate blessing.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:55 | 1372720 Trillax
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Damn. Impressive.  Someone's gonna get busted for using Microsoft Bob Fischer Price Firewall (now with new deep twinkie filling inspection!).

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:00 | 1372738 buzzsaw99
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lulz. i guess the symantec didn't perform as advertised. lololololol

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:04 | 1372754 Trillax
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Funny you should say that buzz.  Back in 2000ish, I had a client buy a Symantec 'firewall' from an OEM and place it on thier network replacing the Pix we had bought them (they didn't want to pay the yearly maintenence to CISCO -- can't say I blame them). 

However, one thing the salesperson for Symantec forgot to mention to the client is that the telnet port is left open on the Internet/WAN side for "remote management" purposes.  Needless to say, thier network was rooted in less than 8 hours.

Symantec is a joke.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:21 | 1372820 cougar_w
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... or Symantec is full of blackhats.

But yeah, you're probably right. They're a joke.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:54 | 1372913 Rynak
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Contrary to what the lemming-press and certain companies tell you, firewalls actually have very little to do with security. They originally were used simply for network traffic control, and an inefficient way (only keeps off idiots) to manage which inet-services employees in corporations may use (i.e., allow email but no web-surfing).

Then, in the good old days of pre-Y2K, some normal home users, who were using IRC and similiar "abuse-ridden" services, with buggy OSes and buggy IRC-apps.... began to use firewalls to patch security holes of their own software. Well, this is actually phrased wrong..... firewalls cannot even patch the actual holes.... rather, if an application provides an unnecessary service, which is frequently abused, then a firewall can simply disallow this service. When on the other hand - this is important - an application provides a desired/necessary service, but which is buggy/insecure, then a firewall cannot do anything at all about that - firewalls can only block services, or allow them... they cannot fix buggy services.

Then, first certain incompetent security manufacturers hopped onto that bandwaggon, and then soon afterwards the lemming press..... to advertize firewalls as a magical "blocks the evil hackers out there" armor - which is untrue for two reasons:

1. Unless you are ACTIVELY using an abuse-prone service, there are almost no hackers who give a fuck about you! Nevermind, that the term "hacker" is just a synonym for "programmer", and that what people actually mean, when they say "hacker", is "cracker". So, for normal inet-users, a solution is advertized to a nonexistent problem. The supposed hacker menace, is a phantom menace, regarding normal inet users. No one with the necessary skills gives a fuck about you! (Exception: Services which you actively use, MAY try to exploit your software. I.e., a malicious website may try to hijack your browser... but it will do so with the means of your webbrowser, and since you do not want to disable your webbrowser completely (which is the only thing a firewall can do about it), a FW fixes nothing in that regard. Again, FWs can only enable/disable individual network-services.... they do not understand anything at all about the data that goes through the pipe).

2. Firewalls specifically can NOT fix this at all. A firewall simply allows services, or disallows services... if you need a certain service (i.e. webbrowsing) but your browser is bugged, then the only thing a firewall can do, is disable your webbrowsing! And if you're a server administrator, then WTF are you doing running unneeded services? Right, you don't do that, so you ALSO don't need firewalls for security (though, you may need them for traffic management (NAT)).

There is exactly one possible use for firewalls regarding security.... and that one has nothing at all to do with preventing "attacks".... it doesn't even have anything to do with access FROM the net to your PC. Instead, they can be used to let you monitor the behaviour of YOUR own software.... so, you may want to be asked before an application accesses the web (i.e. stupid update requests, phoning home), and you may this way catch malware which YOU installed YOURSELF. That is the only technically possible contribution to security, which a firewall can provide... alert you if you yourself installed shitty software that accesses the net in suspicious way....

....but, for this you need to have a clue how to interprete such accesses. So, you need technical knowledge. So, even this only is useful to powerusers, not your average pc user.

Meanwhile, those fucking stupid firewalls will create all kinds of technical problems, which wouldn't exist without them. So, for joe average, they actually cause more harm, than they prevent.

P.S.: TLDR? Short version: Firewalls are a scam.

</technician rant>

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:56 | 1372946 blunderdog
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Nitpick: hardware firewalls which monitor packet contents can do a bit more, but they're big and expensive and no commoners are likely to have them.  They also wouldn't help with most secure connections, and all access to the "inside" of the perimeter should be secure, so...welp.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:10 | 1372948 blunderdog
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That's weird.  I really didn't click "save" twice.

I'm not paranoid enough to keep up around here.  I might have to go back on the meth.  :(

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:20 | 1373019 Rynak
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I think i once did read, that doubleposts also sometimes happen if one only clicks once. Though, strangely it never so far happened to me.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:51 | 1373084 JW n FL
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if the FBI or other has you mirrored you will get a double post on the regular.. like me and some of the others who post quality content.


as well your Job can mirror you if you are on their side of the wall, which would cause a double post as well.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:22 | 1373134 blunderdog
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Sorry, I'm not back on the meth yet, still not paranoid enough to buy in.  And I never post quality content, so I'm pretty sure no one has me mirrored.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:54 | 1373189 Rynak
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:13 | 1373453 Bolweevil
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 01:35 | 1373641 blunderdog
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True, but my tradecraft's total crap.  If they're after me and haven't got me yet, they must pretty freekin' incompetent, so I don't worry.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:47 | 1373063 granolageek
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They do network address translation, so you can hide a bazillion hosts behind four static addresses.


They allow you to run insecure services, eg windows file sharing/samba, internally, without exposing the poor wimpy things to the big bad world. This is important when you are married to the poor dumb user. When I was doing hosting for our family, I was able to let the wife drag and drop files to the webserver by setting its firewall to only accept samba connections from our firewall box. The number of logged crack attempts was in the thousands per month, but I'm pretty sure no one actually got in.

IOW, no miracle, but valuable tool.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:42 | 1373091 Rynak
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As i said, firewalls were originally meant for traffic management. And that is what they are still useful for. And yes, of course well designed traffic management can contribute to SERVER/CORPORATE LAN security... simply by allowing to say "this network is restricted to the following computers - access outside is disallowed".... still, this is plain design of networks.... it has NOTHING to do with what most people think when they hear the term "firewall".

Firewalls in joe average hands, are good for nothing. Firewalls in poweruser hands, are good for deciding which OWN applications may access the net. Firewalls in network administrator hands, are good for designing networks. Notice: Nowhere are "evil hackers" mentioned.

In fact, the "evil hackers" which formed the base of this myth, were simply other people in a CHAT! In the 90's some people with a windows with buggy network services, and IRC apps which provided unecessary services which were only good for exploitation - would go into an IRC-chatroom... since in bogstandard IRC-chatroom, everyone has your IP, if you made enemies in that channel (or just mean people), they could exploit those unnecessary windows and IRC-software services, to bluescreen your machine. So, people went and used firewalls to just disallow those useless services...... this is how the "protection against evil hackers"-myth was created. It had to do with people with malicious chatters in your chatroom, who would exploit IRC-app/windows bugs to crash your machine.

It had nothing at all to do with invisible unknown people on the net taking over your machine

(P.S.: And there is a reason for this: Takeovers are usually done by exploiting holes in necessary services. I.e., a webserver may have bugs, and a knowledgeable websurfer can then exploit those bugs, to send malicious commands to the webserver (i.e. replacing content on the website). Firewall is completely powerless against this, because a firewall does not understand the data that goes through the pipe. A firewall does not understand what someone is sending to your webserver. It only understands, that SOMEONE sending SOMETHING to the webserver). If the technically less knowledgeable are at this point still wondering what a firewall precisely is, then read the following:

All software on a computer, communicates over networks via certain communication channels. I.e., there is one such channel (80) which is *usually* used for webbrowsing. So, webbrowsing normally uses the channel 80. I say normally, because this is modifyable (so, it may be arbitrarily changed, so that the channel-numbers no longer match).

A firewall in principle is a monitor and controller. It watches: Which computers send "something"? Which program sends something? On which channel do they send this "something"? The firewall then has rulesets which are of the pattern: "If computer X on channel A, sends to computer Y, on channel B, then do the following....". This "the following" may be:

- Disallowing this access

- Sending to a different computer instead (routing)

- Sending on a different communication channel instead

So, it really quite simply is nothing more than traffic management, of the data on the net. And the only criteria for decisions are:

- Which computer (IP) sends something

- Which program sends something

- On which channel is something sent.... which implies, but not guarantees, a certain type of service (i.e. webbrowsing)

So, as you see.... WHAT is sent, is completely ignored. Firewalls are not designed to understand what is send (so, they have no clue if it is malicious).... all they do is traffic management, depending on "who" and "service-type").

How, you may wonder, has this anything to do with protecting against hackers? Well, read this post again. It has nothing to do with that. It just in the 90's once was the case, that windows and chat-software provided certain services, which were unnecessary, yet often used by enemy chatters to crash the own machine. So people blocked those unnecessary services. That is all there is to it, to the "hacker" background - which amounts to almost nothing... especially when you consider, that the enemy chatters who would back then try to crash your machine, weren't even crackers... instead, they just used software written by others, and only had to enter an IP, and press a buttton. So, those "attackers" didn't even know how stuff works at all - they were people like you, who could do nothing else than click some buttons..... nothing "hacker" about that, lol.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 21:50 | 1373278 buzzsaw99
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password: spooks123


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:29 | 1372863 TruthInSunshine
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lulz. i guess the symantec didn't perform as advertised. lololololol


Didn't the CIA &  FBI go with Norton or AVG Free Edition?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:58 | 1372721 flyr1710
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TD - do we know what happened w/treasurydirect?  Was that hacked?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:41 | 1372897 I Am Not a Copp...
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Whew! My balance shows correct.  When did you have an issue?  Just logged in and it was a little slower than usual but came up eventually.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:55 | 1372722 IdioTsincracY
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They didn't pay last month bill.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:40 | 1372723 Miles Kendig
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Lulz, always with the 50 grain sandpaper, no matter who

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:59 | 1372724 Yen Cross
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 China is imploding as we speak.  NWO!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:09 | 1372784 slewie the pi-rat
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...any damned excuse for a NWO party... 

jeeeez, Y/C, maybe LulzSec just wants the cia to have a little intramural fun with panetta leaving and petraus taking over...  like when we melt down the zH site every coupla weeks or so...

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:15 | 1372803 Yen Cross
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 Man my risk- reward got hit hard last night.  Picked up 200 pips in e/j and lost 100 on that Cable call. Nice to hear from you.  Got any ideas?  I always respect your input!

  The CIA is a bit perplexing.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:43 | 1373060 Jendrzejczyk
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                      Good to see you


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:52 | 1373079 Yen Cross
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 I'm not back.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:39 | 1373164 Jendrzejczyk
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Apologies, I was being forwards.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:00 | 1372735 Temporalist
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.Gov has no lulz for the roflcopter.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:12 | 1372782 The Fonz
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.Gov bring BBQFISHSTICK to Lulz for olive branch. Suck it .Bastards

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:57 | 1372741 ThisIsBob
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Buncha teenagers. Yawn.  Call me when they get into Goldman and publish.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 23:09 | 1373435 JW n FL
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:58 | 1372742 Rodent Freikorps
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That is gonna leave a mark.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:05 | 1372772 Yen Cross
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Was up?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:17 | 1372819 Rodent Freikorps
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I'm taking the day off.

I thought I'd stop by and see how near the end of the world is.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:25 | 1372841 Yen Cross
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 It just keeps spinning with new Dinosaurs!  ya you laughed.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:33 | 1372877 Rodent Freikorps
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I hope the dolphins do a better job than we did.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:40 | 1372896 Yen Cross
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 It depends on how Liberal the JURY  is?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:20 | 1372818 Ying-Yang
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CIA panty streak

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:03 | 1372744 cougar_w
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Hmm let me see... LulzSec has the Low Orbit Ion Cannon, and the CIA has what -- drones or some shit?

Orbital cannon ... drones ... ion fucking cannon in orbit ... drones.

The CIA is toast. Or did I miss something?



edit: yes i know the loic is a peice of software. stfu. it's humor.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:22 | 1372830 Rodent Freikorps
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If they are self-replicating drones, I'm still going to bet on the CIA.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:57 | 1372939 sgt_doom
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Listen, just a few properly filled toy dirigibles (blimps) loaded with Semtex, let loose with the wind blowing towards that Goldman Sachs office building, or that building where the BoD of JPMorgan Chase is meeting, or over there where Morgan Stanley is, or maybe into that BofA building......

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 20:11 | 1373119 Alienated Serf
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their goons, fbi, nypd and fed reserve police will get you before you can release.  

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 18:56 | 1372953 GoinFawr
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You're in luck then: USD's are indeed self replicating, apparently.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:07 | 1372975 Rodent Freikorps
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Resistance is futile.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 19:42 | 1373054 Yen Cross
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  Just like your Junks?  G/F?

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 01:18 | 1373623 GoinFawr
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Like I said before: whoever is stalking you obviously isn't paying attention.

My junks not for you Yen. I shine it up, and save it for the weekend; and Saturday night came early last week, my friend.

Next time I see something I don't doubt, don't doubt that you'll know something of it.

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