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A Majority Of Americans Believe The US Government No Longer Operates Within The Constitution

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A rather indicative poll released by Rasmussen earlier this week finds that a majority of Americans (44%) now believe that the government operates outside the confines of the Constitution, compared to just 39% who believe government does not take liberties with the precepts laid out by the founding fathers (and 17% were busy watching dancing with the stars to have an opinion either way). Some other unflattering findings on US democracy: "Earlier surveys have shown that just one-in-five voters believe that the government today has the consent of the governed.
Forty-eight percent (48%) see the government as a threat to individual rights.
According to the Declaration of Independence, governments are formed to protect certain inalienable rights." Not surprisingly, politicians are shown to not only be usurping and incompetent despots but biased as well: "As is often the case, there’s a wide gap between the perceptions of the Political Class
and those of Mainstream voters when it comes to the federal government.
Eighty-three percent (83%) of Political Class voters say the government
now operates within constitutional limits, but 62% of those in the
Mainstream don’t share that view." Most worryingly, "nearly two-out-of-three voters (65%) are at least somewhat angry at the current policies of the federal government, including 40% who are Very Angry." That's 65% with not even a whiff of austerity on the horizon...

While we uge readers to read the full survey for all queries, the following financial-related disclosure is important as it shows that the path the government is on will continue to make the vast majority of the American population increasingly angrier.

If readers find these results disappointing now, we suggest waiting until austerity is adopted and 5 year interest-free installment plans are no longer offered on those 10 LCD TVs you just must have.

And while the topic of the Federal Reserve was not breached this time, the last time around Ben Bernanke's despotic institution was discussed, nearly 90% of Americans (those who actually knew what it is) expressed a very unfavorable opinion. The other 10% were probably all Wall Street executives.


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Fri, 11/26/2010 - 23:50 | 756894 Lucius Corneliu...
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I don't agree with a lot of things that the government does.  To think that the government has ever really followed the Constitution when it was an impediment to their agenda is hopelessly naive.  Was it Constitutional for Congress to hand over the printing of the currency to a private, international banking cartel?  Was it Constitutional for FDR to confiscate gold (or even take us off the gold standard)?  Was it Constitutional for Lincoln to suspend habeas corpus (and then ignore the Supreme Court when they overturned it)?  Was it Constitutional for Jackson to ignore the Supreme Court ruling in favor of the Cherokee Nation?

I don't agree with any of the actions mentioned above.  All I'm saying is that this is not the first era that the Constitution of the United States (or Supreme Court rulings that enforce them) have been ignored.  Life isn't fair and reality bites.  What is most important is to understand the reality of the situation we are in so one can properly adapt to it.  On a relative basis, the USA is still not that bad a place to be living.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:53 | 756269 MaxSmart
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Pretty amazing considering the fact that most American's are publically educated.  Maybe there is hope for us after all.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:56 | 756273 Azannoth
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Well you voted for hope and look where it got you :)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:01 | 756281 High Plains Drifter
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Karl Douchinger voted for hope too. Of course he does not talk about that fact much anymore and for good reason.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:53 | 756371 mynhair
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I thought he voted for changey?

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:14 | 756297 snowball777
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Please let us know what would have been substantially different if McCain had been elected outside of a green-glowing Iran and even deeper deficits from wild tax cuts for Lloyd and Jamie.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:43 | 756354 DosZap
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For one a friggin economy.

Two,QE would have been nailed to the door, or his foreskin would have.

Face it, 1600 is occupied by by bunch of Socialists,Marxists, and Fascists.

(sole goal is to bring us to our knees).

And we damn sure would not have that abomination of a Health Care Scam.(loaded , and pre-loaded,with shit yet unseen,or dreamed of by J6P) to help & defer special concessions to friggin Unions.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:48 | 756456 snowball777
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"QE would've been nailed to the door..."

"The fundamentals of our economy are strong..."

"I would rely on the circle that I had developed over many years of people like Jack Kemp, Phil Gramm..."

"I wish interest rates were zero..."


Uh huh.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 22:04 | 756733's picture

John McCain suspended his Presidential campaign and rushed to DC to help ensure the passage of TARP. And you believe that he would have saved the economy and stopped QE?

Sure. And Sarah Palin who couldn't even follow through on being Governor of Alaska because some people said some mean things about her had the balls to be Commander-in-Chief.

You might as well just worship Obama as long as he's in. Less stress and you get the same result.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 01:44 | 757030 DaveyJones
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Yup, the star member of the Keating 5 would never whore out to the big boys. They're all the same. Your government is broken and both parties are well polished crime syndicates

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:27 | 757508 Vendetta
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which is it?  Socialists, marxists or fascists.  Its not a multiple choice answer.  Or turn the channel that has confused you and never watch it again.  I'd would say they are globalists and it makes no difference who is in that White House or what party they belong to.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 00:14 | 756944 MaxSmart
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Not me.  I knew all along we'd get chains you can believe in.  Just another Progressive-Marxist stooge on the world stage.  Not that it would have mattered either way had that clown McCain been elected.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 16:58 | 756275 Convolved Man
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The Feds merger with the Executive branch, hostile takeover of the Judicial branch and buy out of the Legislative branch has greatly improved their share-holder's confidence in the markets as a whole.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:25 | 756314 MichaelNY
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Sat, 11/27/2010 - 01:45 | 757039 DaveyJones
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nice bumper sticker

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:01 | 756280 velobabe
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well, i believe his survey and i think i know all the ones that believe in this government and america. i always look at the Send to friend and think i don't have any friends first of all, and then think if they were still my friend they would not be interested in content.

hell, i can't even tell my sister i am taking sword lessons or that i bought a real sword. i think she would really have me committed to insane asylum.

my daughter too has gone really pro america on me. when she was in H.S. she was smoking pot and etc. and ordered anarchy books delivered to our house. i raised HELL with her but chilled. now she is raising HELL with me that i am unamerican. jeeze. she scolds me like she is my mother. she won't listen to me about anything about the truth in what is happening in this country. except i finally got her to buy some silver coins, which she was so reluctant. oh well, you can lead a horse to water but can't make her drink. then she makes me doubt myself.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:02 | 756283 High Plains Drifter
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It seems that no matter what happens, you have 40 percent of the sheep that go along with the program. They are dead from the neck up. Useless eaters wearing their chains proudly.  They are the present day Tories.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:44 | 756355 cosmictrainwreck
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well, Velo, don't doubt yourself (easy to say).... but the anecdote is spooky; kids rattin' out their parents, brother rattin' out brother, etc. Whats that remind you of. Not to say girl will rat you out, but it's the mind-set that's scary. USA! USA! shit.... when's "heil Obama"?

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:25 | 756424 High Plains Drifter
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Its true. The schools teach the children to be rats on their own parents.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:19 | 756579 nmewn
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Good parent's de-program them daily.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:20 | 758245 Scarticia
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You used the phrase "uselesss eaters", seriously?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:22 | 758246 Scarticia
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I'll say it again.   You used the phrase "uselesss eaters", seriously?

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:01 | 756282 ElGuappo
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The only folk who give 2 shits about whats happening are the 50+ who can remember WTF being an American meant and were getting weaker and weaker .

My house is paid for. I live like I'm poor.I own weapons. I give a shit and say so whenever it needs to be. I have some PMs -cash -coins.

They are many we are few.


I'm making my 12 yr old daughter watch Judge Napalitano on FOX just so see can get both sides of the story. I'm beating the fact that she has RIGHTS and they are being stripped. Funny enough its starting to sink in.


Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:16 | 756294 High Plains Drifter
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Years ago, when the wars first started I used to go on Liveleak and argue with the war hawks and the coolaid drinkers and I was constantly harrassed by the military psy ops people who inhabit that place. There are many young people who have bought into the lie and say things they have been taught to say, without thinking what they are really and truely saying. They refuse to examine things with a open mind and do any critical thinking on the issues. They will die for the lie, because to them, it is easier to die for the lie than to believe the ugly truth. Strange days we live in to say the least. It is written in the Biblical book of Isaiah 5 : 15 - 22

15 And the mean man shall be brought down, and the mighty man shall be humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled

16 But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.

17 Then shall the lambs feed after their manner, and the waste places of the fat ones shall strangers eat.

18 Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:

19 That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it

20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter

21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight

22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:

23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him

This Old Testament Prophet did not write such things to make himself feel better about himself. He was testifying against the evil people of his day by God's Words given to him in his dreams. Today we have evil men in high places. Men who call evil good and good evil. Men who justify wickedness in the pursuit of profits that are destroying a nation right before our very eyes.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 01:51 | 757051 Go4er
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As time continues, man's wisdom shall be shown clearly for its falseness and GOD's words shall vindicated against all who snub their noses at it....

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:59 | 756385 francismarion
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The last line of defense.

It's us.

We don't surrender, we die.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:59 | 756652 Lucius Corneliu...
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My daughter will know at least three languages by the time she finishes college.  IMO, there may be better places to live and/or make a living for her generation...


Fri, 11/26/2010 - 22:02 | 756732 High Plains Drifter
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How about Singapore. Seems like it might be a good place for  a young person to start out, if she or he knows the languages etc. and they must be sharp as tacks. The bow tie man must know something we don't perhaps.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:10 | 756290 bugs_
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Only some things are on the "off-constitution" sheet.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:14 | 756298 snowball777
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Just hold a candle near the lemon juice...

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:13 | 756296 firerx
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There's gonna be a "reckoning" . Mark my words!

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:21 | 756306 sgorem
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My sentiment is that you forgot the ONE+ % of we true Americans that think the Federal government needs to be violently overthrown and most politicos summarly executed for TREASON. JUST MY OPINION............these criminals are less than worthless shit. Sorry, never been one to sugar coat..............

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:42 | 756449 High Plains Drifter
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Frankly, I have always thought this.  I would be a fool to say that I would rather it was worked out in a more civilized manner, but I am afraid, I know the men we are up against, like they know themselves. When you achieve that level of awareness,then you start to truely understand things as they are and what realistically must be done. Whether we like it or not, we as a people have had a long history of rebellion. For too long, we have taken the easy road. Now comes time to pay the bill. Who will pay it and when? The prison gangs have a saying. Blood in and blood out. In my opinion, no matter what we say, no matter what we wish, no matter what we do, in the end, this pearl of great price, this thing we call liberty , must be purchased and the currency that must be paid is blood. The real question then is this. Are we going to sit around and procrastinate and dump this thing on our children and grandchildren?  Maybe I am wrong. Somebody please tell me that I am wrong.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 21:02 | 756655 Lucius Corneliu...
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Your posts, gentlemen, are perfect examples that the 1st Amendment is alive and well.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 22:15 | 756747's picture

The first amendment includes five freedoms. They are all under attack. Just because a bunch of idiots can talk shit on a virtual street corner doesn't mean that our natural rights remain in tact. Hell, the TSA is all over the news this week as they desecrate the first and fourth amendments. But the public debate as presented by the media is not about lawfulness, it's about convenience!

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 21:38 | 756703 Herd Redirectio...
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"I know the men we are up against, like they know themselves. When you achieve that level of awareness,then you start to truely understand things as they are and what realistically must be done"

That the Oligarchy are basically psychopaths, and that they view the world the same way Mafia heads do (wonder why it is so similar, hmmm....)?

PsychoNews: Exposing the Oligarchy, one Psycho at a time.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 02:23 | 757081 WaterWings
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I hold your exchanges today in the highest regard.


Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:35 | 756332 sethstorm
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Since its the wildly inaccurate and right-leaning Rasmussen, I'll take it with a VERY huge grain of salt. 

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:53 | 756372 cosmictrainwreck
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yup.........let's pray to God for the day when the real poll number is 55% 

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:09 | 756396 DosZap
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Uh Huh,and what about you being arrested and not allowed counsel, and held indefinitely, and given no reasons?.

Patriot Act, DHS,alphabet agencies, etc,etc,etc.

Rights?,bud when it comes to the Law (LE) style, esp Federales we have no rights.

Look at what happened in N O during Katrina.

When you had LE from many states all coming in to "HELP".

They applied the law, as they knew it from their states.(Kali LE in NO,New Jersey LE,etc,etc).

Trampled the shit out of the Constition. So?, NO PROB!!.

To this day, thousands of people never got back weapons seized illegally.

High dollar shit, thrown in trailers and beat to hell, no serial numbers matched to owners, piled together, and rusted to hell.

And this was not even done by Fed decree (local yokels)..........LE run amuck.

So, Take that HUGE grain of salt.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:36 | 756333 merehuman
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There is gonna be a wreck and a knowing, too late to save ourselves, the jews own us. And, no i am not a hater, those are just the facts .

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:22 | 756585 nmewn
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So your saying the Dutch, Spanish, French, British were owned by...oh never mind.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 02:38 | 757093 merehuman
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junk all you like, it dont change the names or the facts on the ground.

Dual citizenship indeed. Bullshit.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:39 | 756348 greenewave
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There is a very serious possibility we have a BANK RUN December 7th. Please watch and share this video with the people you care about (


This is really scary guys, people are already talking about it and it has spread from France to the UK and now coming to the United States.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:55 | 756378 DosZap
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A bank run here will do nothing.

The banks have no cash on hand, you want over 10k?,good luck.

I had my ATM set up for $1K withdrawals,it was changed when this shit started(without my knowledge) to $500.00.

If you want any  funds in cash over $25-$50k, be prepared to wait 2-3 days min for it.(and for a possible follow up,for why you need it).

Want it out, open a Canadian acct, or etc, and have it wire transferred, and specify it be converted.

A million FRNS worth nothing, is just paper.

IF you truly think the sheeple HERE will do this, I suggest you do the above, and or, buy as much PM as you can get your hands on prior to Dec 7th.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:52 | 756461 snowball777
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And if, instead, I wire it all to APMEX or Kitco?


Fri, 11/26/2010 - 21:23 | 756684 nmewn
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Now I'm confused or hypnotized.

These are not the "collectivists" your looking for ;-)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 17:54 | 756375 Thunder Dome
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POLITBURO.  Welcome to the world of oppression the founding fathers fought against.  


But the Chinese are the communists.  Yeah, right.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:07 | 756395 WebPundit
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Since when is anything less than fifty point something percent a numerical majority?

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:12 | 756405 DosZap
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Don't need a Majority,all you need is 10%, if action is required.

This will not be decided by a Democratic process.

It will be Lead,Follow, of GETFOOTW.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 19:02 | 756474 Kali
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Fri, 11/26/2010 - 19:12 | 756484 Hansel
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When there are 3 options.  44% agree, 39% disagree, 17% undecided, makes 44% the majority.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 19:43 | 756518 Real Estate Geek
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I think that's a plurality.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 21:31 | 756693's picture

You're right. It's a plurality not a majority. And it's not a minor point. Degradation of the language is one of the main weapons used to attack the rule of law, Constitutional or otherwise. When words lose their meaning the law is reduced to arbitrary interpretations which favor those with money or influence.


Definition of PLURALITY

c : a number of votes cast for a candidate in a contest of more than two candidates that is greater than the number cast for any other candidate but not more than half the total votes cast.


Fri, 11/26/2010 - 18:56 | 756466 billwilson
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Ever since Reagan they have been doing a great job bankrupting and looting the place. Of course the most recent Bush took the looting and incompetence to all times highs. Its a wonder there is anything left ... oh right, there isn't.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 19:10 | 756482 snowball777
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Like a woodpecker on a balsa wood house.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:26 | 756594 nmewn
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Yeah...Larry Sommers, Romer, Timmah, Biden, Fwank, Dodd, Pelosi, Reid and Obummer are doing a much better job.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 19:17 | 756493 Atomizer
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We know the payed FBI servants are working for the people.

The Venus project will save the world from famine , consumerism , deforestation , overfishing, pollution and the collective stupidity of humanity, by building circular cities full of blocks of flats and letting computers make all the decisions…so say its proponents and its its chief fantasist er creator Jaque fresco. Hailed by many as the answer to all our problems – just as soon as we work out how to do it- the Venus project will replace money , do away with countries, end war and fulfill the lives of very human on earth, bar none, for ever. Or your resource based economy back, guaranteed . Heres me pretending to buy the whole thing so i can sell you a DVD pack for $295…..

It will only be time before some Government branches are defunded based on the their actions in fighting US corruption.

Enjoy the video. Many of us laugh at the gate keepers who planned policies 20 years ago. Healthcare/Green jobs will cost future generations debt obligations. The short term plan, regulate everything so the Government can demonstrate new job creation.

Camrade Obama Confirms Threat: “Cash Burning Will Happen”

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 19:18 | 756494 tony bonn
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when george bush declares that "the constitution is nothing but a goddamned piece of paper" you would hope that the sheople would take notice. the government has been operating as a nazi dictatorship since 1913 when herr wilson established the the federal reserve and when the income tax was established - both done with stealth votes on 12/23 or 12/24 in 1913....herr roosevelt stole gold and did all kinds of illegal things to honest people...

herr baby bush ram rodded the patriot act which now authorizes tsa goons to stick a billy club up your ass looking for whatever it wants....fusion centers, detention camps, and plastic coffins holding 4-6 people are stationed all over the usa.....

the usa is the 4th reich....the usa is ruled by the plutocrats through the cia and other filth from the military industrial complex.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:24 | 756591 Dr. Acula
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>when george bush declares that "the constitution is nothing but a goddamned piece of paper" you would hope that the sheople would take notice

I wonder if that is really what he said. I tried looking for reliable sources, and failed.

But, in any case, it's true. It really is just a piece of paper. And it's not even followed in the US. For example, what happened with article 1 section 10 that requires States to accept only gold and silver as legal tender? How was Lincoln the Tyrant able to destroy the constitution-granted rights for States to secede from the union?

Furthermore, it's not a piece of paper that I ever signed. It imposes no contractual obligations on me.

Finally, if 40+% of my income is robbed through taxation, do I really care if the robbers have a "constitution" or not? What difference does it make? The US was founded to escape unfair taxation from England. We're back where we started. Clearly, the Consitution is an experiment that failed miserably.


Fri, 11/26/2010 - 19:37 | 756511 antidisestablis...
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85% of Americans have no idea what the Constitution says, so how would they  know whether or not the gov't operates within its confines?

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:08 | 756558 sporb
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I've said it before, I'll say it again:

Your Masters have watched the Chinese and their Managed Economy and they like it.

They want it for you.

You will get it, whether you like it or not.

If I were you (and I'm not, without doubt) I would go long on whatever "Managed Economy" means to you. 

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:29 | 756600 nmewn
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"Your Masters have watched the Chinese and their Managed Economy and they like it."

Keynezi-son? ;-)

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:40 | 756620 Dr. Acula
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But isn't US more managed than China?

US gov owns 50%+ of the mortgages here. Also, try doing anything and see how many permits you need and how many laws you run up against. The minimum wage laws are horrendous: in the Land of the Free, two people aren't free to exchange a certain amount of labor for a certain amount of money.


Fri, 11/26/2010 - 21:09 | 756662 nmewn
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From outward appearences they look to be damn close.

Just between you and me...LOL...I don't pull permits for anything I do on my property...I ignore most of their bullshit.

I could go on...but their gun's bigger than mine ;-)

I tried to tell my neighbor (from up north) to not be calling the courthouse all the time about what is needed for this or that compliance...he's a slow learner but he's figuring it out now.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 21:06 | 756659 Lucius Corneliu...
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I want to be a Federal employee.  That's where the future is!

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 23:12 | 756827 nmewn
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Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:10 | 756557 zoomer
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I'm with you on the popcorn, but...

"If readers find these results disappointing now"


After fighting Big Gov all my life, I think these are great numbers!



Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:11 | 756566 William F. Dulle
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Founding fathers' thoughts on the constitution:

Ben Franklin: You lousy corksoakers. You'd rather screw yourselves than come to a rational agreement. Rock on, iceholes.

Geo. Washington: Does this mean I get to keep my still?

Alex. Hamilton: Boo yah!

James Madison: Guys? Guys? I think I changed my mind.

Patrick Henry: Are you motherfuckers out of your fucking minds?

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:12 | 756567 Arkadaba
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This is a little lighter - I posted it on Facebook with the following caveat: I think the new TSA full body scans (unproven safety issues) and enhanced pat downs (invasive and probably not constitutional) are outrageous for a number of reasons, but sometimes humour works as well as a rant.

I would love for this to go viral.


Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:13 | 756568 goldsaver
Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:14 | 756570 Lndmvr
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Heres a test. Carry a handgun everywhere for a week. Not open carry, concealed. Don't even load it if your worried about being caught. First couple of days, paranoia, the last days, no big deal, no ones looking. After a while it becomes second nature.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:43 | 756626 Clapham Junction
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I know you are kidding, but there are some cretins out there that might actually do that. Assuming you are in the US, you must apply and be certified for a carry permit.

Carrying any kind of concealed handgun without a permit is A VERY SERIOUS CRIME.

I take this kind of stuff very seriously-don't pollute this board along these lines, even in jest.  If I mis-interpreted your post, forgive me.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:49 | 756633 Dr. Acula
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>Carrying any kind of concealed handgun without a permit is A VERY SERIOUS CRIME.

This shows how the right to bear arms is infringed; i.e. it's another example of how the constitution is just a piece of paper.


Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:33 | 758260 Scarticia
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You are the one polluting these boards.   Grow a pair or GTFO.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 21:37 | 756701 velobabe
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well, can i carry my samurai sword around unconcealed. i want to really badly. just stroll down pearl st mall with my long ass blade hanging from my belt. are swords considered weapons?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 05:32 | 757151 StychoKiller
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Those that live by the sword are shot by those that don't!

Unfortunately, since you live in the Boulder area (Colorado's little piece of California!), chances are good someone will drop a dime on ya! :(

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:22 | 756583 Reese Bobby
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Retards. Unless you can "bear" an Apache Helicopter your Remington .308 will be as useful as a pea shooter.  The only solution to our Country's dilemma is political.  And the odds aren't good.  The stupid "Tea Party" movement is the only slightly encouraging sign in nearly 20 years.  But few on this site understand that sad fact. Blah, blah, blah...

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:37 | 756619 William F. Dulle
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Supply lines, dude. Current military is so petroleum dependent that the slightest disruption in supply will ground entire squadrons. Fuck. If Micky D and Carls Jr. go offline there will probably be mass AWOLs.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:39 | 756621 Clapham Junction
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Petroleum.  As in "jelly."


Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:47 | 756629 Arkadaba
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For kids and yeah probably need to edit - haven't looked at the content

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:53 | 756638 Kali
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Not big on military machinery, but didn't sand do a nice job on Apaches?

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:55 | 756641 Bagbalm
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Guns are a convenience. With the tech we have we can make much worse weapons and directing them at expensive infrastructure too spread out to protect will make more sense in a rebellion than shooting people. Shoot a politician they can have a new one sworn in within the hour. Shoot a $500k transformer in a sub-station and they may have to call up and order one built.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:35 | 756613 nmewn
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"The stupid "Tea Party" movement is the only slightly encouraging sign in nearly 20 years."

Always with the negative waves Moriarity...always with the negative waves.


Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:37 | 756617 Clapham Junction
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Yeah well, like I said before, if you don't mind getting your tits, ass, cock and balls x-rayed when you go to the airport in the name of security, you don't FUCKING DESERVE A CONSTITUTION YOU FUCKTARDS!

I prefer the pat-down myself, preferably when I'm good and hard.

Have a good weekend!!

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 02:45 | 757096 merehuman
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i wonder, would you be arrested for hard on during pat down?  You cant make this up how crazy it has gotten.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 05:34 | 757152 StychoKiller
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Depends on size, I would guess -- if it's big enough to beat someone over the head with, you get some chrome bracelets! :>D

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:53 | 756639 onlooker
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 Rasmussen may be the most accurate of the bunch. If you follow his work over the last few years he seems to be more accurate than the others. He is right tilt. That can be offset by reading the rest of the pollsters. Speaking of polls is the Pew pollster group the Sun Oil Company family?


I have hope that the election process can be the recovery mechanism for America. Seeing the Democrats retain Pelosi as top dog runs counter to that hope. Not to say the Republicans are a better bunch of sons of bitches than the Democrat sons of bitches.


In that guns were brought up, let me try to make a point. The NRA is a one trick pony. They vote against the anti-gunner and for the pro-gunner. Political Party and other issues are given much less weight if any. This is not an isolated situation for groups and organizations or individuals. With the scope of the problems and complexity of governing, one trick ponies can’t run the country. The proof is now governing the country. Maxine Waters is one of my most hated politicians. However, she said something rather beyond her mentality. “I have questions I don’t have answers for, maybe you do also, but if we keep asking the questions maybe we find solutions.” No doubt she stole it from someone else.


We as citizens need to keep asking questions and  then by God demand solutions that work. WE have to stand and demand. Don’t let the bastards beat you down--- is a nice Latin phrase. Too bad I cant remember it in Latin.


Fri, 11/26/2010 - 21:00 | 756654 Dr. Acula
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>I have hope that the election process can be the recovery mechanism for America.

LOL, that's like a bunch of wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 21:12 | 756667 Arkadaba
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The most important question is Cui bono? 

And all the religious stuff .... sorry no Angel is going to fly down from the sky and save you - but what we can do is ensure a level playing field for the next generation, ensure we haven't left them at war and ensure that we left them with the best of us. I would think we all want that?



Sat, 11/27/2010 - 00:21 | 756953 the grateful un...
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the most important question, is who killed Sonny Bono?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 00:55 | 756989 Arkadaba
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+ funny


Sat, 11/27/2010 - 01:50 | 757050 DaveyJones
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if you find out, please cher it with the rest of us

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 05:37 | 757153 StychoKiller
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Illegitimi non carborundum:   Don't the let the bastards grind you!

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 20:56 | 756644 rufus13
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We are slow to anger. We know the cost of domestic warfare (the 1860's still sting), so we try the cheap stuff first: grumbling/letters to the editor, letters to our Congresscritters. We start voting the enemy and useful idiots out of elected office. Critical billboards appear along highways. Some of that happened 02Nov2010, but not quite enough to make the needed difference before the new guys get co-opted. Externally, everything is still fine, but we are more than halfway to getting out the personnel files and the lists of what to do and to whom in the gravest extreme. There are people who are expert at this business. Not me, man, just a maintenance geek. Consider this post: IMO, One Hundred Heads is by no means the worst thing that could will happen to the Nation/economy for regular people in the USA. Assassination shouldn't cause any fear in regular folks because it is specific, and should cause the guilty in-charge to quake in their loafers. From the outside, or to someone who listens only to music radio and watches "Entertainment Tonight" for news, it will seem like a switch has been tripped suddenly. This has been going on since at least 1965 that I've noticed, and likely back to before the first Great War in the minds of London/NYC elites. Cheers. ">Also, after my trips to America, I can only conclude = Americans never get angry. They are always nice! For me that was scary! :)



Fri, 11/26/2010 - 21:08 | 756660 Kali
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rufus-that's cuz of the Prozac : )  What was that Ghandi quote?  "There is something seriously wrong with a person who never gets angry" ?

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 21:18 | 756674 Dr. Acula
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>We are slow to anger.

Too late. 1/8th of adults are on food stamps, and it will get worse:

I think US has reached a tipping point where the parasites are numerous and powerful enough to vote themselves into other people's wealth. The result is continual impoverishment and collapse (fragmentation) of the country similar to USSR. Probably, like with USSR, the endless costs of warring with Afghani goat herders will be the final nail in the coffin.



Fri, 11/26/2010 - 21:48 | 756716 mikla
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Just wait until that program is cancelled.  Then it won't be too late anymore.  ;-))

I hear Greece and Ireland are cancelling programs.  ;-))

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 02:31 | 757086 Lucius Corneliu...
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I don't mind food stamps so much at least they help the poor survive.  The worst parasites are the military mercenaries (Blackwater), agribusiness, energy companies and corporate welfare in general.  They don't need the money, its pure corruption and greed.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 21:30 | 756690 Two Gun Tobe
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I've been doing my own little survey.  I work with mainly middle class citizens, and have been asking them this question:  What do think of the government and the bailout of Wall Street.  Of the over 100 or so people I've asked this question to.. the answer has always been the same.  NO Confidence and that they are all crooks.  100% negative.  Can't say I'm suprised.. the average joe on the street can see what's going on.. 

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 22:25 | 756765 onlooker
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"" the average joe on the street can see what's going on.. ""---------------------- the question is what the hell is he gonna do about it. are we too lazy and stupid to get involved and make the changes we gotta make

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 22:32 | 756777 gwar5
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I wish Rasmussen had polled regarding the Fed this time.

The Fed does what it wants and is unaccountable.

Fri, 11/26/2010 - 22:35 | 756779 honestann
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Anyone who thinks the government works within the limits of its charter (DOI) or constitution is completely insane.  Either that or they never read the DOI and constitution, and should not answer the question.

I doubt anyone in government would agree the sole legitimate purpose of government is to protect individual rights (except perhaps RonPaul).  Which means, everyone in government is guilty of treason and crimes against humanity.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 00:30 | 756968 the grateful un...
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it doesn't matter what the people think, all that matters is the Constitution..

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 00:55 | 756990 High Plains Drifter
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Willie Nelson was arrested last night for possession of marijuana. They found 6 bags on his tour bus. They were driving in West Texas headed back to Austin and they were stopped and searched at some stupid border patrol checkpoint, whatever the hell that is. Needless to say it was way far from the border, but nevertheless, it is called a border patrol checkpoint. Go figure. Or perhaps we can read about Agenda 21 of the United Nations. Check points everywhere. May we see your papers please. God I hate this crap. Freedom and liberty?  How much more of the check points, the pat downs and the groping and the stealing and dying for nothing can we or should we take?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 06:06 | 757156 ebworthen
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Ten to one cars and vanloads of illegals on their way to grow pot in national parks drove by while they searched Willie's tour bus.  What a waste.

"Good evening Mr. Nelson, hope the next show goes well, you have a good evening." That would have been the appropriate response.

Bet they shook him down for the fines and money; and take his bus under capture laws and auction it off to enrich the agency/town.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 09:01 | 757212 Clapham Junction
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Oh no, really?  He is one of the nicest fellows you will ever meet.

You may not know it, but he is very sharp at option arbitrage.  Does it all in his head for God's sakes. 

He'll be OK, he's got a good lawyer. Seriously though, couldn't he just not carry the crap around with him-I mean he's big enough to score anywhere and just throw out what he doesn't use.  He should have learned a lesson or two by now, Too bad.



Sat, 11/27/2010 - 10:35 | 757266 1fortheroad
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Yea, That was a US Border Patrol checkpoint, been there for at least 30 years,

been though it many times, 1 hour outside of El Paso. He should of been alittle

bit more smarter than that or least the driver of the bus should have known better.

been their, done that but the stuff went out the window. That was along time ago.

Been a big fan of Willie for along time.

Willie Nelson - Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 00:59 | 756991 High Plains Drifter
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Sat, 11/27/2010 - 02:34 | 757090 Eagle1
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I got orders to Viet Nam when I refused to to to one of my enlisted what I knew would be an injustice under the UCMJ. Lots of BS here, when the time comes, will you do what is right and take what comes of it? Life can be a bitch sometimes. 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 09:38 | 757239 1fortheroad
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We believe that the Declaration of Independence (1776), the Constitution (1787) and the Bill of Rights (1791) as conceived by the founding fathers would if administered as conceived, return Americans back to a freedom and prosperity that cannot fully be comprehended.

We believe at this time in history it is the people who may best save our nation.  We believe that the current policies and practices by actors that purport to have America’s best interest in mind are morally bankrupt.   It is the people then that must create an alternate proposal.

Just trying to spread the message. 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 10:44 | 757267 ibjamming
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What about all the freeloaders?  What do you plan to do with the 20 million or so who refuse to work?  That's the problem with ALL Utopian have to deal with REAL people...and some of them are lazy.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:59 | 757752 MurderNeverWasLove
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I say we pay them off.  No fun to work with people who don't want to be there.  Buckminster Fuller said something to the effect of "You can't change people, but you can change their environment."  Then adaptation tend to kick in and people change without much thought.

So if poverty is a lack of funds like suffocation is a lack of oxygen.  The environmentally sound way to deal with poverty is to increase the money supply of the poor.

I know it sounds totally dumbshit, but with a fiat currency, anything is possible. . .

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 10:00 | 757251 1fortheroad
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Can you not understand this,what has happened. Read it several times, it take

awhile for it to sink in. We the people lost, they won. It can be changed though

under the same laws that took it away from we the people. The Us of A has been

bankrupt since 1933 and the trustees of that bankruptcy have been running the country 

ever since. 


From a speech in Congress in The Bankruptcy of the United States

Congressional Record, March 17, 1993, Vol. 33, page H-1303, Speaker

Representative James Trafficant Jr. (Ohio) addressing the House



“...It is an established fact that the United States Federal

Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9,

1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt,

being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June

5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate

The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States

and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices,

Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United

States Federal Government exists today in name only.


The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International

Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International

Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments

are now operating within a de facto status in name only under

Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of

Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted

a new form of government for the United States. This new form of

government is known as a Democracy, being an established

Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act

was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the

Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the

International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R.

13955 reads in part: “The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no

compensation for representing the United States...

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 10:29 | 757263 WarProfiteer
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Well I would say that the best thing to be done is to prepare locally. Build 

relationships within your community. Develop community based defensive plans.

Of course as always be prepared to get bloody, because talking has never gotten

the job done on this scale. This is a train wreck waiting to happen. Train wrecks

are never pleasant to watch or be involved in. 

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 11:20 | 757291 bobboberson
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How is 44% the majority?  Good post otherwise.

Speaking of unconstitutional...

Not that it would otherwise be ok but WTF does bootlegging mp3s have to do with "homeland security"?

Is this the beginning of the end?  Is it starting already?  What's next?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 11:43 | 757314 bobboberson
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Why my comment didn't post the first time around I don't know... but anyway great post except for the bad math... 44% is "the majority" how?

Speaking of an unconstitutional government check this out:

What does this have to do with homeland security by ANY stretch of the imagination?

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 12:20 | 757381 mogul rider
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I had the pleasure of coming to your country for a conference last week. I had the great pleasure of watching a grandmother in a wheelchair yanked out of it and thrown to the ground becuase she wouldn't submit to a search. I tried to assist her they pushed me away.

Your country is mightily fucked up people.

These pricks should be hanging in the town square. Instead you quietly go about your business as if nothing is happening.I am truly afraid for you. Now that the "test" is done to see if you'd riot. The squeeze will only get worse.

Yet you sit and do nothing.......

When one of these pedophiles junks your kids what will you do. Did you know that apparently 5-9% of these people are convicted pedo's?

It appears to be Germany of the late 30's

It is not safe to travel in your country any longer becuase the terrorists are actually in power not in a ditch somewhere.

Good luck to you, the dream of your country has turned into a nightmare

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 12:34 | 757407 bobboberson
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 12:51 | 757439 sharpe
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"finds that a majority of Americans (44%)"

The maths in this place dire can someone sort it out - the site really loses credibility if you have no clue

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:05 | 757462 Smiley
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You have no "rights."  There are just a few things you can do that aren't worth comming down on you over just yet; but they're working on it...DILIGENTLY.  Its just a great big knot getting pulled tighter and tighter. 


Peak oil has come and gone.  So has "peak rights."  The Mega Media ClusterFuck 5000 Dream Machine made sure the bulk of the population didn't pay attention.  It has worked flawlessly.  This next decade will be known as the GREAT SQUEEZE.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:09 | 757476 onlooker
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Willie Nelson, my boy done got in trouble again.


I know this is gonna bite me in my rear end, but I gotta explain that this is a Federal Government check point. Immigration if I remember correctly. I go thru one leaving El Paso going West and one leaving El Paso going East. Cars in one lane and trucks and buses in another lane. Dogs sometimes on the East check point. YEAH, they are actually attempting to stop illegals from the South. They may also check plates for stolen vehicles and see if any other mischief is at play. These are Feds. They are one of the few Feds that are the Good Guys. These check points have been there for years and my Boy was dumber than a fence post for tryin to run the blockade. Lord have mercy.


In that we are on a rant against the Federal Government, I must point out that Willie may have run up against a Texas State Law. Drugs in Texas are viewed dimly. A decade ago an 18 year old might have been sent to Huntsville for 5 years cause he was in possession of a small amount. Don’t mess with Texas has several facets. You can carry your 45 or 38 in your car without permit, and yes it should be loaded. If Willie was headed to California, the dope thing would be far less serious there, but he would go to jail for the 45 or 38. Dope is a danger to the stability and safety of Texas. There is a drug war raging south of the border with literally hundreds killed every year.


A jury IMO will have to send Willie on vacation for a little bit. Not much choice. Youngsters like me look up to Willie (6 years older than me) for proper behavior patterns. It would be wise of me to not to be like Willie when I grow up.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:12 | 758013 sbenard
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Make that 44% +1!

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 20:55 | 758141 Holden Caulfield
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The future is here. Be prepared.

Sat, 11/27/2010 - 20:55 | 758142 Holden Caulfield
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The future is here. Be prepared.

Sun, 11/28/2010 - 10:52 | 758636 ibjamming
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Speaking of come I'm not seeing any WikiLeaks stories here at ZH?  I'm all for them releasing the facts of the sleazy shit politicians do.  Maybe we can FINALLY get rid of this two party nightmare we've got. 


Bush AND Obama getting discredited...both the Dems and Reps being shown as lying sleezebags just out for the money...priceless! 



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