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Mapping The Divergence In Credit And Equity

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Wed, 12/02/2009 - 17:14 | 149642 pooplagrande
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move along...nothing to see here folks...just a silly blogger with some pretty pictures...move along please.

Wed, 12/02/2009 - 17:31 | 149671 Screwball
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I was watching that.  What's up with this?  I have no idea.

Wed, 12/02/2009 - 17:40 | 149689 Anonymous
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Anulus Stimulus V. 2.0

Wed, 12/02/2009 - 17:53 | 149707 deadhead
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someone upgraded SPG today as i recall...sorry, don't have a link but it's in the news.

naturally, all the momos are expecting more.

then again, why not? it is the official Fed policy that banks will not be reprimanded by extending CRE loans that are multiples greater than the underlying collateral.

got a 50 million loan on a bldg worth 25 million? no phucking problem says the Fed. it must be the new math of lending...... to think i spend 16 yrs in banking saying "no" to people when their loan request exceeded their collateral or heavens forbid, i had to say "no" on a loan where their gross debt income ratio exceeded 40%.

Wed, 12/02/2009 - 18:16 | 149741 Gilgamesh
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DH, my comment (and Screwball's) was mostly about the 3:30ish monumental spike in IYR - price and volume.  This has happened often lately with IYR.  If you haven't already, look at the volume accompanying the EOD move.  Something is afoot - I had assumed it was prop jobs for painting secondaries on the underlying stocks, but haven't seen much of that lately.  Also, there seems to be some algo(s) correlating the big CRE REITs with gold price.  I get the inflation link (inverse USD) with both, but these REITs are trading so far decoupled with reality... And it's not like gold is trading with the inverse DXY anymore, what's with the coupling?

Wed, 12/02/2009 - 18:28 | 149760 Screwball
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Thanks to both for the info.  I have noticed the same on IYR, Gil, and it seems funny.  Your point on the Fed announcement about the REITs is a good one DH, I had forgot about that.  Looks like they may have given back the last half hour ramp AH.  Somebody fat fingered a joy stick.

Wed, 12/02/2009 - 17:31 | 149670 Anonymous
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move along? and absolutely nothing to see? these comments most certainly are coming from clueless equity traders. let's just see which market has got it right - i mean given the tremendous growth in top line revenues across S&P 500 companies, it makes sense for equity markets to continue ascending higher...nothing to see here, move along

Wed, 12/02/2009 - 18:18 | 149744 VegasBD
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or they forgot to add the </sarcasm> tag

Wed, 12/02/2009 - 17:36 | 149677 Anonymous
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Can we see this comparison over a longer timeframe? Maybe these things are always in divergence, or maybe they usually diverge more...

Wed, 12/02/2009 - 17:54 | 149710 Anonymous
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It's beginning to look alot like Christmas. Every stock I see, every chart the same. MOMO about to get hammered really badly.

Wed, 12/02/2009 - 18:15 | 149733 Chopshop
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TD, this is neat n all, but what does it say about how high gold will go tomorrow?  

how does this snapshot prove that uncle buck will close with a 6 handle tomorrow?  LOL ... 'silly bond n credit markets, equities are for kids!' 

seriously though, who in their right minds is still actively selling vol here? 

Wed, 12/02/2009 - 20:45 | 149950 longjohnshorts
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CS, fact is, nobody has a clue about where anything is going.

A committee that meets half-way between Wall Street and K Street has decided it has become too risky to permit fundamentals to dictate asset pricing.

Hence, the only operational factors now are liquidity and crisis. Whenever the latter is absent (and the precise timing of a crisis event is, by definition, unknowable), the former holds sway. Hence, the ongoing asset-price melt-ups across the board.

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