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Marc Faber: "I Think We Are All Doomed"
All who enjoy hearing a meaty Marc Faber fire and brimstone sermon, that cuts through the bullshit, will be happy to know that the Gloom, Boom and Doom author conducted a 40 minute interview with the McAlvany Financial Group, which covers all the usual suspects: gold, silver, precious and industrial metals, the "crack up boom", the future of the Ponzi and capital markets in general and much more. Of course, it wouldn't be a Faber interview without the requisite soundbite: "I think we are all doomed. I think what will happen is that we are in the midst of a kind of a
crack-up boom that is not sustainable, that eventually the economy will
deteriorate, that there will be more money-printing, and then you have
inflation, and a poor economy, an extreme form of stagflation, and,
eventually, in that situation, countries go to war, and, as a whole,
derivatives, the market, and everything will collapse, and like a
computer when it crashes, you will have to reboot it." Of course, on a long enough timeline...
Key extract from the Faber speech:
I think we are all doomed. I think what will happen is that we are in the midst of a kind of a crack-up boom that is not sustainable, that eventually the economy will deteriorate, that there will be more money-printing, and then you have inflation, and a poor economy, an extreme form of stagflation, and, eventually, in that situation, countries go to war, and, as a whole, derivatives, the market, and everything will collapse, and like a computer when it crashes, you will have to reboot it.
For the investor, the question is: How do I navigate through this complete disaster that is going to unfold? And I think if you look at different asset classes – real estate, equities, bonds, cash, precious metals – I suppose that you have to be diversified. I think real estate in the U.S. may go down another 10% or so, or even 15%, but I am always telling people, if you can buy the piece of land or the house you like, what do you actually care if it does down another 10%? If everything I bought in my life had only gone down 10-15%, I would be very rich, because a lot of things became worthless, especially loans to friends, and bonds, and so forth.
Look at the history, for example, of Germany, for the last 100 years. They had World War I. They had the hyper-inflation in World War II. The bond-holders got wiped out three times. If you owned Siemens, and you still own Siemens today, it was not a fantastic investment, but at least you still have something. You were not wiped out. I think that in equities you will be better off because you have an ownership in a company, than by being the lenders to companies, and the lenders, especially, to governments.
Faber on the key distinction between nominal and real, which nobody on CNBC seems to grasp yet, why gold now is cheaper than it was in 1999, and on the Dow and gold reaching parity.
In a money-printing environment, it is very difficult to know what is actually cheap and what is expensive. Is the price of wheat high, or is it low? Inflation-adjusted, it is extremely low. In nominal terms, it is relatively high. I believe that, in March 2009 when the S&P was at 666, the market was actually much cheaper than is generally perceived, because of the money-printing, and I do not anticipate that we will see 666 on the S&P again, in nominal terms.
In other words, they are going to print so much money that the S&P could be at, perhaps, 2000, but in real terms, it could be down below the lows of March 6, 2009. Maybe in gold terms, we could one day reach a ratio of Dow Jones to gold of 1-to-1, as we were in 1980. In other words, the Dow could be perhaps at 10,000 or 12,000, and gold could be at the same level.
That is why I am advising people to accumulate gold. Can gold have a correction? Yes, there has been a little bit too much euphoria about gold, and we may have a correction, but I do not think we are in a bubble in the price of gold. In fact, I could make a case that gold, at this level of $1400 an ounce, is cheaper than in 1999, when I look at the unfunded liability growth of the U.S., at the credit growth of the U.S., and at the household growth, and at the money printing, and at all the wealth creation that happens in China and Russia.
Full interview:
(complete PDF transcript)
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I can out tube your tube!
Links to videos are not conversation, just masterbation.
If you have something to say, or a point to make, please make it YOURSELF here, instead of merely posting a link to a video. I'll be damned if I am going to click on, and then wait to download, every fucking video that some random person tells me that I MUST see.
The Internet is all just a Sea of Noise anyways, Zero Hedge is no exception.
Sure, go on out & plop 10-20% down on a house with a 30 year contract, hoping you'll be able to make the monthly nut in the face of escalating job losses...great advice! (Especially if you need to remain mobile to chase industry)
Or better yet, take your current store of wealth and buy a piece of .GOV leased land CA$H and volunteer to be a .GOV employee/parasite pension donor...lol!
Then again, with the Fraud St./DoC plan to levitate hyper-inflated RE by pumping liquidity into the stock market and insolvent TBTF banks with the hope of inflating wages (oops, did all that liquidity go into commodity speculation?), I think this game is FAR too early to call...except it appears time for QE3.
Dr. Doom appears to be drunk on his own kool-aid, but then again I too could read the trends until .GOV started changing the rules in 2007 forward (contract law anyone?)
P.S. Back in the early-mid 90s I subscribed to Don McAlvany, which is now known as the "McAlvany Financial Group", and ol' Don missed two huge investment bubbles shilling Au & NWO for conspir-addicts - I easily got in and out of both bubbles profitably (Dot.Com 1996-1999 & Housing 2001-2005), plowing a most of my profits into Ag 2001-2003, a third long-term trend that ol' Don missed. He did have a lot of nice End-of-the-World stories in every issue though (-0- of which came true)...
Reading Round-Up, 2/27/2011February 27, 2011 in The Five-List Plan by The China Beat
• Guest-blogging for James Fallows last week, Jeremiah Jenne devoted several of his posts to discussions of protests and the possibility of a “Jasmine Revolution” in China. His columns on this topic include “China: Not Quite a Revolution,” “After Protests, Beijing Cracks Down,” and “In China, Droughts Bring the Crazy.” Jenne also provided on-the-spot reporting today from Wangfujing in Beijing, the site of a planned protest that was primarily attended by security forces and foreign journalists.
• Tom Lasseter of McClatchy Newspapers writes at his “China Rises” blog of the juxtaposition of the crackdown on protests with the message of an online forum held Sunday morning by Wen Jiabao:
http://www.thechinabeat.org/
from gold basher to what now? a serious thinker?
Always have been.
My gold bashing preceded a what, 10-13 percent drop & 25% in paper miners, etf's. Not bad.
The pom-pom waving miner euphoria after silver first crossed $30 and the JPMorge/Bears bullshit first came about, Turd and everyone else calling for 1,650 soon after, Silver over $45 in months ect ....
Just like I toss out 25-30% stock run's like candy. ( who else on ZH calls um' before the move ??? )
X,RIMM,ZEUS,JOBS,GLUU,NVDA,ARMH,SPRD, on and on ....
A few more KELYA, CREE, TTWO ....
Also look for big news from CAT soon .............. not big issue long term but stock moving news.
Lest you forget, it also preceded the 100% rise before that.
Jackass.
I thought you were done responding to Spalding you dumb fuck.
The only guys called gold early was Rogers and EJ from Itulip.
Go run along and post on the other 12 blogs you whore yourself on pimping gold, you tool.
Everyone can search " TMosley gold " and find your rants, big fucking deal after the run had already started for 5-6 years.
You are absolutely correct Spalding, tmosely is, unlike you, just a tool.
Tool: something which has a function, and serves a useful purpose.
Your another fuck with nothing insightful, run along.
Focus on point, has Spading been spot fucking on for months on end, yup.
You fools still can't get past dollar denominated debt ( no answer, just personal attacks and junks ) study it .....
More mindless prattle from Balding_Snails.
I have yet to see you post one intelligent, on-point or thoughtful comment here, you microcephalic wannabe.
Over 15-20 stocks with 25-35% runs beforehand are you for real ???? This is not just a doomer/gold whore site !!!!
Give me 5 stocks for the next 3 weeks, i'll post 5. Loser never post again on ZH.
Got Ball'z ?
Sorry, if you actually made any legitimate calls here before, they must have been lost in the flood of lengthy, irrelevant and mindless drivel you routinely post here. Forgive me if I refuse to go searching for the handful of diamonds in amongst the acres of excrement.
You are an exceedingly annoying jerk, did anyone ever tell you that?
Another side step. Can you fucking read.
Can you respond to anything in my first or any post and challenge it, nope.No answer for dollar denominated debt because it crushes all the anti dollar/USA doomer talk ............
More off topic bullshit.
I don't know what you are talking about regarding dollar denominated debt and "anti dollar/doomer talk", but you certainly have a knack for babbling to no effect.
You strike me as a borderline idiot savant, with emphasis on the "idiot".
Exactly. Thats why you should log out and shut the fuck up, and type dollar denominated debt into google and study the first 20 pages that pop up, then you will have a clue.
You have exceedingly poor communication skills.
Here's a hint: when no-one can tell what the fuck you are talking about, it isn't because you are so smart.
How thin can this thing go?
thinner
moar
"Forgive me if I refuse to go searching for the handful of diamonds in amongst the acres of excrement."
well played serf well played
fuckin a right man
"Marc is missing some key points about real estate:
First is that prices aren't just tied to the amount of money the government prints, as he believes. It's tied to how much of that money winds up in the hands of potential buyers. And that is the crux: little to none of Fed trillions is going from banks and Wall Street in to the general economy. And even rising stock portfolios can't keep up with the rising cost of actually owning and maintaining a home. The Fed is feeding the trend to offshore jobs. Declining real incomes, available jobs and advancement opportunities, the high cost of educational debt, reduced anticipated retirement funds, and a huge increase in the general cost of living and the cost of home ownership all conspire to keep people out of real estate. Bottom line: current prices don't match up with what most people can afford. Even if they have capital the rising cost of home ownership poses a huge cash flow problem. In this climate, nobody can afford to be cash flow negative. More debt won't help in this situation. Add in aging demographics and you have a perfect storm. That's what's driving the current push to rent and build rental housing."
m01r
From Noyce:
+14t
"Forgive me if I refuse to go searching for the handful of diamonds in amongst the acres of excrement."
so gold and silver have both been climbing, silver doubled in a matter of months, you were bashing both PMs but now you were right?
If I weren't JonNadler, by the arrogance I would say YOU are JonNadler
Who else tosses out 30% stock run's on ZH ???
Why don't you answer his question? Clearly you were wrong on gold/silver.
Jon, maybe you could put a muzzle on this douchebag.
Bay of Swine. Another tool. I've slapped you around enough. No time for your punk ass.
Next.
I think you've got plenty of time, what with Chicago's record breaking unemployment KILLING the market for furniture delivery.
Lie to us some more, and tell us that the amount of money you made on your best week ever was average.
Look up Merchandise Mart and see if the high end furniture boutiques are moving product.
Your the troll, i've called you out with proof. Spaldings never posted on another site.
Go back to trolling around the web. What a total loser, Paul's site ... BWAHHAAAAAAAAAA WWWWWWahhaaaa whew, what a total fuck you are.
With a name like "Merchandise Mart", you know it's high class.
Here's a hint, idiot: people pay maybe $50 for delivery.
What does posting on another site have to do with anything? Are you married to ZH? Did you drive up to Vermont with Tyler and Marla, and let them both fuck you roughly in the ass?
Christ, you are just too stupid for words. No wonder you have never advanced your station beyond that of delivery boy.
$75 dollars within Chicago ( account has 5-6 a week ) short run's, the rest ( 5 a week ) going out to Elk Grove Village, the largest industrial park in the USA, next to one of the busiest airports in the world. Chicago, trucking/ shipping hub in the largest economy in the world.
And your asking Spalding why he would start a trucking company. Look at Turd, he calls for a dollar crash / implosion but yet he just started a ice cream shop, or is that stupid also. Your dead wrong. The USA is going on a 10 year bull run.
Your a gold troll.
Please never respond to my post like you said before & I will do the same for you.
.
And while you are thus engaged, please link together some of those lonely neurons in your brain, so that you might be able to post a coherent comment one of these days.
The Merchandise Mart is the world’s largest commercial building, wholesale design center and one of Chicago’s premier international business locations. Encompassing 4.2 million gross square feet, The Mart spans two city blocks and rises 25 stories.
The Merchandise Mart became the world's largest LEED-EB (Leadership in Energy and Environmental and Design for Existing Buildings) certified building in November 2007. LEED ® certification is the nationally accepted benchmark for design, construction and operation of high performance green buildings and is awarded by the U.S. Green Building Council (USGBC).
Today, The Merchandise Mart welcomes more than three million visitors each year to its retail shops, LuxeHome® boutiques, 11 floors of permanent showrooms for gift, residential, casual and contract furnishings, 10 floors of office space, dozens of trade shows and a variety of special educational, community and consumer events.
The epicenter for high design and luxury goods, The Merchandise Mart is located in the heart of a city that is home to prestigious fine art institutions, world-class museums, award-winning architecture, professional entertainment venues and diverse restaurant offerings. The Merchandise Mart is a short, leisurely walk to the famous Magnificent Mile, where exclusive shops and four-star hotels bustle with activity from the Tribune Tower to North Avenue Beach. Also nearby is Millennium Park, Chicago’s newest architectural landmark featuring celebrated public art works and breathtaking views of both the lakefront and the skyline.
http://www.merchandisemart.com/
what did i tell you, when you can't answer just turn to insolence
Are you dense? Are you fucking retarded?
He's the god-damned Gold Bug.
Why the fuck would he want to pick some bullshit manipulated equities? People like akak and myself DON'T FUCKING BUY STOCKS, YOU BLITHERING MORON. We have physical gold and physical silver.
You might pick five stocks that get lucky. Pick me a sector that outperforms silver or commodities. It shouldn't really matter to you anyways, since there is no such thing as alpha anymore.
You whored miners on Seeking Alpha 2 years ago , bitch. You AKAK two fuck's ....
How DARE I double my money in miners!
How DARE I tell everyone that I got out of them because the market looked manipulated! How DARE I warn everyone to stay away from them since! How DARE I be right about them, as they have gone nowhere since!
Go deliver someone's dinette set, delivery boy.
I almost spit out some very good New Zealand sauvignon blanc with that one!
This Balding_Snails is really too stupid and obtuse for words.
You're always OK in my book, tmosely. Just don't let the trolls like him get to you too much --- as I have learned the hard way not to do myself.
When you lose the argument just throw some insolence around!
That's my boy!
Pssss...the Bernank's game is a little more complicated now with QE 1 & 2 et al., FAR too many wild cards thrown trying to stabilize "dollar denominated debt".
Throw in some geo-political destabilization, and that debt may not ever be repaid!
Just sayin'...
Your right my friend about the middle east, who knows if its a black swan or if something big starts in the house of Saud, China.
But dollar denominated debt insures a dollar orgy for a long, long time. The global Central Banks, and the banking systems around the globe are hit wired into this global web, they can't change the game without a total global reset, total impossible. And if we have a reset or a shared basket in 20 years the USA will still be 50% of said basket.
I certainly hope you're right about dollar dominance, as I'm completely liquid in dollar denominated debt since 2007 (aside from my long-term Ag insurance store), when I went short-term T-Direct, but lately I've becoming more & more concerned things won't turn out so well for king dollar...
I'd hate to pull my ca$h and plow it into hard assets or another business venture too early, and I'm starting to lose my nerve!
Truly caught between a rock & a real hard place :-(
for fuck's sake
"you're"
"you're"
"you're"
Easy -- that's how we tell they're stupid.
How incredibly myopic! $-denominated debt is what has allowed us just to get this far. What you call "a dollar orgy for a long, long time" is more practically described as "roughly 5 trillion printed and funnelled over 2ish years." Boom, done. And now we hang by a thread at the mercy of any random collection of brownish foreigners who happen to have the temerity to, you know, impose their own government. Fucking ingrates.
Do you not see that our recent "dollar orgy" has turned relatively meaningless non-events into a dreaded *gasp* black swan?? This is what happens when you go all-in on sovereign debt. One hiccup and you're back to plowing fields with a mule. All the CBs are hammer-jacked, so it doesn't look good for us.
Awww, did I make you angwy?
Who gives a fuck who was the first to call gold? You've been down on gold and silver the whole way up. That's ten years of losses, and here you are pretending like you called the latest pullback. You are the DEFINITION of a broken clock.
I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. I haven't posted on SA in months, and I hardly post at all on RPF. I don't post ANYWHERE else about gold, and never really have.
LOL, BFD, right. Silver, which I have encouraged EVERYONE to own, is up nearly fourfold from when I first started "pimping" it. Anyone who has listened to you is now bankrupt.
Why do you even bother? Wrong is wrong is wrong, and you have been nothing but. Just shut up.
You fucking troll. Go back on business insider,seeking alpha, ect .......
You even troll on Ron Paul's site LOL, your such a fuck, run along boy. Get me my drink boy, pick up that trash boy ...
Unlike your relatives Spalding lands a $1500 a week account at the Merchandise Mart moving custom/high end furniture. Meeting with more vendors on Friday at the Mart' also. Your country bumkin kin that could not survive as an o/o ... Lol'
Spalding can't make an o/o business work in the #1 trucking hub in the USA with all his contacts !! Lol'
How much money you think I'm making my high rolling friends if I toss out picks on the web ??? Answer, fucking ton's. All will be payed back when I start a fund after I get $100,000 grand for trading.
You don't even know what you're talking about. I've never even been to "Business Insider".
Cut and paste loser. Why don't you go lose some more purchasing power?
I'll find it.
How about Ron Paul you bum' ... 5,000 post you fucking troll.
Look at when my last post was, you idiot.
Also, you replied to my post before I noticed your edit. You shouldn't have said anything to remind me that you were a delivery boy, delivery boy.
This idiot owns a 20' delivery van, and delivers furniture for a friend in the Chicago area. Christ, what a moron. Anyone taking investing advice from this guy should have their head examined.
Another sidestep.
5,000 post in 3 years. GET A FUCKING JOB.
4.5 posts per day. SOOOOO time consuming.
Go deliver an ottoman. Maybe you'll get a $5 tip!
Lol'''' more off topic shit.
You bum. Get my paper boy. Pick up that trash, boy.
Spalding is dumb to start a trucking businesses when his friend owns one of the biggest manufacturing businesses in the tri-state area. ? Oh o.k. ( this is why I front ran the booming manufacturing numbers coming out of Chicago three months early as I got pounded for buying/calling US Steel.
Your post are all hot air, bitch, nothing ....'
Ill be out after I get my $100,000 and I let you know when the fund launches, I'll find your candy ass somewhere, book it.
I already have 3 people matching my $100,000, I do not want handout from family or the investors, I'll get mine.
lol, you are claiming that you make more than American truck drivers in Iraq (http://www.layover.com/forums/layovers-lounge/t-some-of-the-highest-paid...). You are out of your mind boy. I know lots of truckers, as some members of my family USED to be in the business. NO ONE brings home $1500 a week on a consistent basis, not unless you are delivering nuclear weapons or some such.
Face it, you are a little liar with delusions of grandeur.
Tmos...
what
the
hell
are
you
doing?
Let
it
go.
Hey Spalding, just going to side step this for a second. I am curious to know what your background of this knowledge is.
If they are books outside of school, could you name a couple for me. I need more reading material.
Thanks,
I fucked up, did not study much until after school ..... Family had cash, I thought life was a cake walk. pony for my 10th birthday ect, not good.
As I posted before I tossed out my t.v 11 years ago. I read books 20%-30% of the time, the web for the rest.
Books in my stash, the Bible, John Kenneth Galbrath- Culture of Contentment, Adam Smith - Money Game,Todd Buchholz - New Ideas From Dead Economist, Bill Bonner - Empire of Debt, Adam Smith - Wealth of Nations, McConnell Brue - Microeconomics - #14, Steven Levitt - Freakonomics, Jonathan Beaty - The Outlaw Bank, Charles Morris - Trillion Dollar Meltdown, Bejamin Graham - The Intelligent Investor, Robert Bork - Slouching Toward Gomorrah, John Perkins - Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, James Stewart - Den of Thieves , Milton Friedman - Money, Mischief, Edward Altman - Handbook of Financial Markets and Institutions , Jane Kamensky - The Exchange Artist, Milton Friedman - Capitalism and Freedom, ect ..... I have a few hundred but some at my brothers house ,storage, my friends have a few.
How's that ?
Thanks, have read some of these..... will check some of the others as well. (I'll skip the bible)
Not sure if you have seen these, but I will recommend them since they are not listed.
Common Stocks and Uncommon Profits - Philip A. Fisher
Market Wizards: Interviews with Top Traders - Jack D. Schwager
Reminiscences of a Stock Operator - Edwin Lefèvre
Thanks for the books.
How could you have missed "Go Go Girls of the Apocalypse"?
TD
why don't just pull the plug on this clown?
Who the fuck are you ? Calling for Tyler like a Bitch. Help Tyler, help, bla, bla, bla .... It's the fight club. Read a fucking book or something, you just post for laughs ... A troll.
Look at your act ... 90% of your post are a total waste, no insight on anything, just fucking mindless bullshit.
Your a clown.
I rest my case --- idiot savant, and very marginal on the savant.
From gold basher to intellectual.....just like that bitchez.
Surely his point is that your house should be a home, and that you should buy a house you can afford whilst not worrying if it drop 20% in value. If you are that worried about it falling in price then you are going beyond your means.
Psss...more worried about regional political/economic downturns and being locked into a piece of THAT dirt, and if you're one of the knife catchers hopiated in a still pumped bubble area, like say err...the People's Republik of Kalifornia, you're completely screwed with the surety of up to a 50% drop additional (when looking at realistic RE prices based on income).
+1
That was my understanding too.
Marc is missing some key points about real estate:
First is that prices aren't just tied to the amount of money the government prints, as he believes. It's tied to how much of that money winds up in the hands of potential buyers. And that is the crux: little to none of Fed trillions is going from banks and Wall Street in to the general economy. And even rising stock portfolios can't keep up with the rising cost of actually owning and maintaining a home. The Fed is feeding the trend to offshore jobs. Declining real incomes, available jobs and advancement opportunities, the high cost of educational debt, reduced anticipated retirement funds, and a huge increase in the general cost of living and the cost of home ownership all conspire to keep people out of real estate. Bottom line: current prices don't match up with what most people can afford. Even if they have capital the rising cost of home ownership poses a huge cash flow problem. In this climate, nobody can afford to be cash flow negative. More debt won't help in this situation. Add in aging demographics and you have a perfect storm. That's what's driving the current push to rent and build rental housing.
+1, well said. The Fed carries on like they've been here before, likes its all a matter of doing the right thing at the right time....please. Is it a miracle there have not been more flash crashes? I don't have the answers, just very concerned about where the larger elephant of global cash will lurch next. Maybe we just stay long stocks and forget it. Maybe the US declares a bank holiday and everyone takes a 25% haircut by tuesday morning.
Caviar, you nailed it on the head. The gov't is printing money, but it is NOT reaching the real economy. It is ending up in speculation like stocks and commodities. The commodities spike is going to destroy the real economy bringing on deflation as everyone starts defualting on their debts.
Perhaps that is the plan.
One more problem is that the taxes and the upkeep are disproportionate to the reduced prices. Even if you pay cash for one, you are still have to dish out fees, taxes, insurance and maintenance. It's still better to rent. I don't see taxes coming down to match the reduced prices any time soon.
Exactly
I don't think renting vs. owning is a purely mathematical decision. While you're entirely correct that homeowners still essentially pay rent, there's also something to be said for not being at the immediate mercy of a landlord who may have happened on bad times as well.
I think his son Dave is a bit smarter and more geo-politically astute than old Don is in his fading years.
Like Bob Prechter, his predictions are getting less accurate as he grows older.
Wow, must be a bunch of McAlvany Intelligence report listeners out there, or a bunch of RE knife catchers pissed at me telling truth about the direction of jobs, housing and the economy...look at all the junks I got! ROFL
For all you those out there scared to death about the "new normal" you've voted for when you consented to (D) & (R) Oligarchy, please take another hit of Hopium and go back to your favorite form of mind-numbing entertainment ;-)
The prospect of having to move to chase jobs all over the country keeps me awake at night far more often than I'd like.
"Sure, go on out & plop 10-20% down on a house with a 30 year contract, hoping you'll be able to make the monthly nut in the face of escalating job losses...great advice! (Especially if you need to remain mobile to chase industry)"
He said, "if you can buy the peice of land or the house you like".
on Sun, 02/27/2011 - 15:14
#1002015
I'll be damned if I am going to click on, and then wait to download, every fucking video that some random person tells me that I MUST see.
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Get DSL you cheap skate!!! and it will be an non-issue...
besides, he posted his Doomed video... which was funny... then I posted an everybody's free video (cover) that was over the top... it was for fun, for laughter... not to be serious, I am fucking serious enough... I am allowed to take a break... you look at your comments, then mine... like I said, I can take a break.
DSL is not available in all parts of the world, or even the USA, you know.
akak, on 2.5G (mobile) dial-up here, I feel the youtube pain.
To the topic, prognostications such as these (Faber's) always make me think about finance and technology as quite a chicken and egg thing. Who birthed the run-away metastasis that is current technology and current finance. Their mutually parasitic and beneficial relationships should be clear enough to one and all.
Hu made who?
And what will take it down? A butlerian jihad or a proletariat jihad?
Because it's all going down, for sure.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/the-fascinating-dr-chippalone/
Dunno. DSL is genetic, or a woman can have fat transfer or Restylane injections. Pretty much found all over the planet.
Yes, it can be found all over the planet, but not in EVERY PART of the planet!
Those who live in urban megalopoli always seem to assume that EVERYONE, everywhere, lives and can live just like them.
consider yourself fortunate to be able to live outside of the doomed Necropolises.
eventually, only those with special permits will be afforded such luxury.
are you guys for real? no broadband, no DSL? what part of the planet do you live in? a fucking cave!
Are YOU for real?
Why does everyone who lives in a city assume that EVERYONE else does as well?
Stop being a center-thinker.
When many municipalities sell monopoly rights to one provider or another, it's quite possible to not have either service without being relagated to living in a cave. I don't know what you do for a living but $100 per month every month for years on end is alot of money to many people. If DSL wasn't available here (and technically, it's not, because after the CenturyTel/Embarq merger my address comes up as unavailable), I couldn't afford Comcast, period.
akak:
Well, yes, assumptions are the mother or all ...
Let 'em assume.
- Ned
right on
compromise, britches!
me;
*satellite*
avg youtube vid(2-5min)upload- 7-11min
avg connect failures - 5-6x/day
avg 24+hr failure - 1-2x/mo
avg auto traffic on my road - 3-5 cars a day
nearest stoplight - 35 miles
ability to step into my backyard naked to piss w/o anyone remotely close -100%
we build cities to keep people who like cities from infecting the countryside
Not where I live. No DSL, no cable either. I had to spring for satellite internet and that's barely fast enough. Can't stream video on it.
I feel your pain. I have to fork out $400 a month for a T1 to get decent speed in my area, which is JUST outside the reach of no less than three wireless internet providers, one of which worked for me perfectly well for years, but was never able to get a signal on my property again after my house burned down a couple of years ago.
no broadband?? do you know the Slowskys?
I used to know the Slowskys, but once I started mainlining High Speed Broadband I became as addicted as a meth addict.
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Sometimes you just have see it yourself, and if you do not like links, pass them by.
No one is making you read shit.
+1 akak. Ad tedium...
Lindsey Williams former bush pilot and Chaplin that worked as a liaison between oil execs. and oil workers. He has some predictions that confirm the inevitable. Here's a link with information to pull some of his most recent insider information and it's quite disturbing.
http://pesn.com/2011/02/23/9501771_Free_energy_antidote_to_7_dollars_per...
I just thank God the USA is so completely bankrupt, we don't have anymore money to pay for more war.
That was my plan all along.
You shouldn't be so worried about war. Odds are that if you get involved in one, you won't last long.
Relax. I think your constant beating of the war drums is getting Akak agitated.
What's that you say, Canucklehead?
Sorry, can't hear you over the incessant drumbeat coming out of Washington and the Neocon thinktanks (sic).
0bumbles has been running the show for 2 years now. Any change yet or is he really a neocon in disguise?
Oh, he uses a disguise?
You're not talking about that little bit of extra melanin that he sports, are you? That's just camoflage.
... Neo Con or Neo Liberal... oh to make a choice that defines one for the rest of their life.
Why do you worry about these labels? I would have thought you understood the "game winning strategy" was any advertising phrase that ends with the words:
... here, hold this...
Seems Bernokio isn't following your plan. With his turbo-presses he's preventing the govt cash-flow insolvency you apparently hope for.
Lindsey Williams also appeared on Coast to Coast this last Friday. Starts about 5 minutes into this segment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqAU4H20Ik4
Lindsey Williams is a con artist who makes statistically probably, though hyperbole interpretations of what goes on in society, in order to sell CDs/DVDs through his webside.
Agreed, and his "insider knowledge" about the 200+ billion barrel "vast pools of oil" underlying various parts of Alaska is ludicrous and downright insulting to the intelligence of ANYONE who is, or has ever been, involved with the petroleum industry here. I can assure you that in this state, only the very most gullible and uninformed give even the slightest credence to Lindsey William's ravings.
You can find his book here:
http://www.jrgenius.com/The%20Energy%20Non%20Crisis.pdf
Of course, that the US goes through 13m barrels of import on a daily basis matters little, because when Williams - though not a petroleum geologist - says the US can cut her dependency on oil, he's most certainly not full of shit.
May I suggest that EK and Flakmeister get together for a guest post? Guaranteed entertaining and skewering as appropriate.
akak are you in the "awl bidness"? Just curious. I've been drilling for 35 years and some of these comments about oil really amuse me. Such as "200+ billion barrels."
Grunt, went there, thanks fo rthe link. God help us if 1/2 of it is true
Even if Williams is in error I get a chuckle out of stirring up the head up their ass "Peak Oil" tribe. I get pleasure seeing them squirm a bit.
Time always reveals if one is telling the truth, especially when it comes to specific predictions. I have seen worse track records than Lindsey Williams but we'll see.
Yeah me too. Peak production and peak capacity are not the same thing. But most people think they are.
Here is the case that stocks, even though the nominal price has gone up lately, is actually cheap compared to 11 years ago:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/255201-the-case-for-a-higher-dow
Somewhere I saw a chart showing Dow adjusted to 1980 dollars hasn't done too well.
It's difficult to grasp how much value (purchasing power) the dollar has lost just since 1980. Our minds see higher Dow number and conclude people are making money when they might just be staying even in terms of purchasing power, maybe losing ground.
I know this is bad form but I don't usually trash the threads here and Marc Faber is so cool, please let me be the first to say:
Doomed Bitchez!
even "doom" per se is relative. for example "i can divine a bid and ask" on doom. if i am..."clever" so to speak... i can also "rig the doom" so that "the doom is yours" and therefore not mine (bailouts come to mind, do they not?). try and do that in your so called alternate reality where "the rich pay"! in short "so long as your reality sucks" then it might not even matter what my reality is! in short it's "not yours!" the worst part is "my reality could REALLY REALLY suck" and I could "still percieve it to be better" and thus do that most human of things: "declare myself the winner no matter how obviously i lose."
maybe freedom is bad, maybe we need the Police State so we can be free of bad things... like spiders... or kitty cats being stuck in trees...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i16OMrwxsm8
Hi JW, you cute thing!
I don't know, but Sir Doc. Doom isn't saying anything that that someone with recent brain surgery couldn't also see. I mean, if no one is paying taxes (meaning bankers, politicians, lobbyists, drug pushers, and folks in jail), and we have gobs of people out of work...who is paying the bills?
I mean, econ 101 said that we can't go bankrupt because we can print our own money and Greece can't, but it could become as worthless as Monopoly money ( every run out and look at the directions...says you can write any denomination on a scrap of paper. Boy I wish I could do that). But I guess if they sell e-nuf of those Paulson Bronze coins we will be in the pink again. But then again, we might need to buy them back to melt them down to make cannons for the hoards that could conquer US, like the Mexican drug gangs (that is NOT meant to offend any Mexicans OK!!!!).
And, as for OIL, there is so much under the Dakotas and LA, that we will do just fine. If not, it won't hurt to walk to work...just once anyway.
There is not enough Oil in America to Feed America's Addiction to Oil...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYuLjGQQ-jg
watch the video, learn and get back to me...
We are not running out of Oil... We are / have run out of Conventional Oil... which equates to cheap oil or $50bbl oil... if you increase the cost of oil to meet demand to $200bbl - $300bbl... you would crush any possibility of a recovery... as every added $10bbl equates to .3% of GDP in the negative... maybe worse depending on who you want to quote .3% is the liberal, nice number...
There is not enough Global production to go around...
Study heavy, sour crude and who can and can NOT handle large scale refining of that Product...
America is hooked on Sweet Lite Crude which is running out or production is being drawn out... once again depending on what you choose to believe...
Happy Reading and Watching, JW
"watch the video, learn and get back to me..."
I learned that the guy at the podium talks like he has his tongue stuck to the roof of his mouth. I also learned he squirms like the usual pin-worms that come from the fraudulent anthropogenic CO2 is causing temperature change loot the world tribe.
Now what the FUCK! do either of those idiotic things have to do with...
Saudi Arabia being 40% over stated with regard to oil reserves?
Or...
Global Lite Sweet Crude Reserves that America is HOOKED ON??!!!
Well, I think his tie was too blue for his shoes and his purse? whhhhhaaaaaattttt?
Quoting JW n FL >> maybe freedom is bad, maybe we need the Police State so we can be free of bad things...
JW n FL or should I call you ^TrInItY^. If you believe in freedom, how about letting people speak their mind on your forum. Why the f*** do you come here spreading your guns and preps bollocks when you have a site of your own full of such nonsense. You would get even more people if you removed the blocking several large ISP's from accessing your site.
Why do you have so much trouble with your posters?:
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Jason, Alex or whoever you are...
Using me for a spring board so that your broke site can get some hits... is fucking sad.
I understand things are tuff, but there is no room for this kind of bottom feeding behavior here.
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You need to get a job or whatever... but coming to ZeroHedge to post Bullshit behind me every fucking post to up your hit count is old... now fuck off before I buy your Mom's Mortgage and put that cunt in the street for non-payment.
Sincerely, James Edward Workman
Hey, you guys are interrupting my doomer meditation.
@ disabledvet,
You raise three interesting issues:
1) the whole spectrum of doom. Mild, major or TEOTWAWKI (complete with Mutant Zombie Bikers!). It is kind of hard to prepare for everything...
2) the idea of others rigging everything and bringing doom upon us. Think about how to prepare for that too?
3) perceptions of doom. I hope Cog Dis can step in with a thought or two here. But, prepared people are likely to be better off in a doom scenario. But, positive thinking may be a big help.
Great post!
+ $1340
thanx! "may the hopium be with you." or perhaps "live long and then live longer." in the end "it's always the end." let us make our end in fact "a New and even More Ridiculous Beginning" and create and bigger and more spectacular bubble...far greater than any to have ever existed! To sum up "what could i possibly make you believe in this time that you believed in last time but swore you would neve believe in again"? I say, I say...
Very nice disabledvet.
I also like:
It's never the end of the world till it is the end of the world. And when it is, it won't matter anyway.
ORI
Dear disabledvet,
I just want you to know that after seeing, day after day, homeless and disabled vets setting up stands in front of Publix asking for help, that I balled my eyes out. I really did and for days, I still do (Thank you Publix for allowing them to do it).
I was so up set that I had my attorney rewrite my will. 70% EVERYTHING I have will go to your your groups. I hope it helps.
For God's sakes what have we become. We prance around waving flags, put our hands on our heart and say "support our troups". Is it not time to ask why we even have troups fighting undeclared wars for reasons no one can TRULY defend?
I am not really a bimbo, guys! But some guys are.
Meme:
http://www.nechv.org/
have cleaned up their act.
- Ned
I think I want to marry Mr. Faber. Would he enjoy a nice jewish girl like me?
Since we're all doomed, he'll probably only have time for a one-night-stand.
The question would be more like would your Mom let him marry you. She may have a problem with the accent, especially if he drives a BMW into the driveway. Tell him to learn some Yiddish and rent a Lexus when he comes to Mom's.
From Dr. Faber's site...
the "lighter side of Dr. Doom"
Contrarian for life!
Are you mentally handicap?
You're not funny; you're annoying....in a Michael Scott way.
Judge Judy, No. Dr. Faber has made it quite clear he likes his Siamese fauna up in Chiang Mai.
If world war comes, I hope somebody will nuke Swizerland even though it's suppose to be a neutral country. It's the safest country to hide in a world war, so you can be sure all the NWO henchmen and those montrous Banksters will be hiding there as well. Too bad it's Marc Faber homeland but to get rid of the root of the real problem, you have to get rid of the NWO and their Vampire Squid!
'Tis likely they will be at Denver National airport area or similar.
US government has been building under ground bunkers.
Watch here starting at about 24 minutes if you're impatient; if not, watch whole thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuEgUk4AMiM
Steps for your survival.
1) Get to DIA
Learn twin turbine.
http://simulator-pro.info
Scout out a local municipal donor airport and find your plane. Use the 'N' number to discover who her host is. Formulate a plan to disable the host on flight day.
Fuel up and get to DIA.
2) Look for spray painted signs in DIA concourse. "Marla/Tyler", follow arrows.
3)Bring body armor and explosion-proof helmet for non-conventional entry.
Come prepared and highly motivated.
~Judge Judy
the elite bastards are all heading for chile! that's where they be!
The swiss will be more than happy to manage your money, who ever you are, and throughout history have even let people with money into the country (WW2 refugees and George Clooney come to mind). But if there was a scenario that world war was upon us, , I'm confident that the swiss would not be letting all those knuckleheads in. Its a small country, they would have a major problem on their hands.
Which is where the neutrality comes from. They are neutral in as far as it keeps the wolves from the door.
First comes the Gloom, Boom and then Doom.. he's a bit early. Zoom and Varoom.
Blackrock added 8 milliuon shares of GLD I notice in their Feb 12, 2011 filing.Soros added more GLD and Pension Funds are adding more GLD and GDX every month.
Hard assets--USO, GLD, SLV, and now you even have PALL, a nice addition--these are the best in this environment as long as you DO NOT go on margin.
GL!
Naah. Physical only.
Silver's just so heavy, man. 500 oz physical is my limit - maples and ASEs. + many oz phys gold. the rest mining, agriculture, and oil stocks. enjoy the ride, DCRB.
Diversify your stash locations.
Good advice. Mine is in five locations.