As Market Surges On Latest Deux Ex Machina Straw Man, Kyodo Warns "Chain Reaction Could Restart"

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Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:00 | 1062294 trav7777
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restart of criticality in the SFP means all hell breaks loose...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:06 | 1062323 Quackking
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Only *some* hell has broken loose at this time, according to government sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The interview was conducted on horseback as all parties fled for the hells. I mean the hills.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:07 | 1062342 Michael
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This makes Al Quaeda look like little school girls.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:25 | 1062465 e_goldstein
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"We bring glowing things to life."

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:39 | 1062478 Haywood Jablowme
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some close-up pics of the reactors....

I would hate to be at that airport right now....

Gotta love/hate the headlines on this one:

  • French minister: 'Let's not beat about the bush, they've essentially lost control'
  • Radioactive steam spews into atmosphere from reactor number three
  • Experts warn that crisis is 'approaching point of no return' as officials run out of options
  • Officials commandeer police water cannon to spray complex
  • Attempts to dump water on reactors by helicopter fail
  • Two more previously stable reactors begin to heat up
  • Rich scramble to book private jets out the country as fleeing passengers pack Tokyo airport
  • Workers battling nuclear meltdown evacuated for hours today after radiation levels increased

Interesting video follow-up coming out of RT today...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:37 | 1062964 e_goldstein
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i remember when Chernobyl melted down and all the talk on the MSM was 

"that could never happen here... our reactors are better designed."

(only one level of safety redundancy, really?)

lucky for us, we only have 9 or so nuclear plants on the pacific coast :-/

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:33 | 1062505 Bicycle Repairman
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We need to move some funding and security assets from Al Queda to nuclear power.  Will someone get the head of DHS on the TV to explain their policy on this.  I'm starting to panic.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:38 | 1062539 Tell me lies
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Or gives them new techniques to implement an attack against our freedoms.

Michael, I have read many posts from you. Does this sound like a Neo uoo con headline or what?  Have heard it already.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 18:51 | 1063823 Golden monkey
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Is that the freedom to go to work, to make monthly payments or to stop at red lights?

No. It's the freedom to do endless Muslims wars.

So many time in history slaves work was use to finance wars...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:05 | 1062328 redpill
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Is a pool still a pool if it has no water? Or is it now just a radioactive skate park?

But more broadly, even if the spent rods achieve criticality, it will probably mean high levels of localized radiation. Unless there are substantial explosions, it probably won't generate a Chernobyl-style plume that would travel vast distances.


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:16 | 1062408 bingaling
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The spent rods are stored over the reactor I believe.


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:22 | 1062443 redpill
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6 of them are, there is one outside that is not, but because it's in the ground and not losing water, it's not as big of a deal.

The problematic one is in Reactor 4, where they had densely packed the pool with spent fuel rods because the reactor itself was not in operation.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:16 | 1062827 Paul Bogdanich
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"The problematic one is in Reactor 4, where they had densely packed the pool with spent fuel rods because the reactor itself was not in operation."


Not precisely.  # 4 was down for maintenance when the quake struck.  The speculation is that the rods from the core (not spent rods but live ones) were in the pool with the spent rods awaiting re-isertion as part of the maintenance cycle.  Then the quake happened, the tsunami wiped out the aux generators, the pool went dry and so now you have live fuel reacting with the spent rods and that is why they are worried about the mass reaching criticality.  Now it would not explode unless it hit some water but the amount of radiation released would be very large indeed.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:20 | 1062439 slewie the pi-rat
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hey red!  wanna bet???

this is gonna get way worse b4 it gets better, and it is not gonna get better while any of us are still pretending to enjoy planetary existence here.

i have set the over/under for this event at Chernobyl X5, with March 31, 2011 as "settlement day in green stamps" and vegas is getting more action than on March Madness, so far.  in case of any disagreement regading the quantification vis-a-vis chernobyl, slewie will make the decision, which will be final AND binding on all playaZ.

after the shit i went thru here, yest, no one else is qualified..., but in the event i am too fuked up to e on the 31st, tyler can make the call @  4 PM eastern, and we'll just let the green-stamp-based chips fall wherever tf they fall, 'k?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:23 | 1062455 redpill
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Chernobyl was a nuclear inferno burning uncontrolled for days, I'm hopeful this situation does not get to that point, but I certainly don't discount the possibility.


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:31 | 1062494 Haywood Jablowme
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I'll put 10 packs of IOSAT on the under.  Within the next 7 days I speculate major cluster-fuck FUBAR.


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:06 | 1062331 taraxias
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what happened to you man, did you find religion?


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:22 | 1062440 Oh regional Indian
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taraxias, I think it's called blowing with the wind. It's what light-weights do.

They still manage to pee on their feet, consistently.


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:48 | 1062635 Spastica Rex
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Thanks for not posting a link to your blog.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:24 | 1062873 deeznutz
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I second that.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:04 | 1062730 trav7777
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huh?  No, I respond to the facts as they become available.

I am not one of the many people here who actually WANT this to be an apocalypse so that they can feel self-righteous.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:23 | 1062881 Cleverbot
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You would after awhile, if not immediately. Once your number starts dwindling.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 17:10 | 1063134 The Profit Prophet
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Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:10 | 1062366 InconvenientCou...
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They might need new units of measure for this if those spent rods melt together.

"Ch"== 1 x Chernobyl.

From what I can tell, we could get to 2 or 3 on that scale.

Please pray now if you think it will do some good.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:24 | 1062453 M.B. Drapier
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I will. Is that a log scale?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:41 | 1062567 malikai
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This is exactly what I've been saying about the pools. From what I've read, unit 4 has about 5 years of spent fuel rods in it. Should they melt, whatever water may be left in the pool will serve as a moderator, causing criticality. Once it becomes critical, they will melt further, and the game is up, as it will probably be large enough to remain critical without moderation. From there, it's china syndrome as the blob melts through the relatively thin pool floor on its way to the water table, where it will promptly explode once in contact with water, giving us the feared "20 Megaton" thermal explosion and will probably double the total worldwide fallout since nuclear testing began in the 40s.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:10 | 1062369 Pal
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This the post I found just mins. ago "The operator of the Fukushima nuclear plant says it has almost completed a new power line that could restore electricity to the complex and solve the crisis that has threatened a meltdown. The new line would revive electric-powered pumps, allowing a steady water supply to troubled reactors and spent fuel storage ponds, keeping them cool."

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:14 | 1062395 redpill
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Yeah, that's the AP story, the problem is if there are still leaks in the pipes (which would not be surprising, especially in Reactor 2 where there was an explosion directly by the suppression pool and Reactor 3 where they had a big badaboom) it doesn't matter if you have the electric pumps going (also assuming the pumps themselves are not damaged).

They won't know if that "solves the crisis" until they actually get the power on and see if the stuff works. Also restoring power could increase the potential for fires. Cross your fingers.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:20 | 1062430 Raymond K Hassel
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Pumps back on line is great news - now where did all the piping land?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:38 | 1062487 Cognitive Dissonance
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To assume that the pumps, pipes, valves and electrical controllers are all still functioning properly in the three units that have suffered explosions is similar to wishing on a star. I guess it's possible and I hope they are able to start the cooling system back up. But for the news story to report it like it's a no brainer is nothing but hope and prayer spinning.

If it does save the day, it will mean TEPOC electric division will have saved TEPOC nuclear division.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:42 | 1062579 kinetik
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I wouldn't be too concerned about valves, they're pretty tough but operator stations are not. From what I understand is that the control room for the blown out reactors are all distasters, in that they are experiencing "lost of view" on the HMI and that nothing actually works from a control standpoint.

If you can't see what's happening to your process you can't control that process, simple as that.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:53 | 1062670 Cognitive Dissonance
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I was trying to cover all the bases. I agree that the valves are pretty hearty. But the controllers and electric motors on the values, vents, switches etc is another matter. And who knows how the piping has survived the explosions. Some of this is 30 to 40 year old stuff that has just been pushed way beyond design.

I was assuming the control rooms were "OK". If not all they might do is make things worse if they don't know what is or is not working when they push buttons.

What a nightmare.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 17:19 | 1063228 spanish inquisition
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I believe you are leaving behind 1lb of salt for every 4 gallons of steam. It could be collecting anywhere and I think you can't eliminate any possibility at this point.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:21 | 1062433 spartan117
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trav, per your request from another thread where you were called out as a racist.

by trav7777
on Thu, 03/03/2011 - 13:30

I personally think this whole China gold thing is overstated and misleading.  Chinks are buying gold because it's a symbol of wealth and it is an asset, the same as indians do.

There just aren't that many assets out there with comparable attributes in this regard.  I don't think that the average chinaman understands "inflation" all that well nor the broader concepts of monetary policy or the yuan peg.  They just know that gold is worthful, they desire it, and with all the money flowing in China they are buying symbols of affluence, gold, cars, etc.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:23 | 1062454 LFMayor
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I'm at a loss here.  Is this supposed to buttress the case for his racism?  Or absolve him.

Because I can think of a complete litany of shit to call Chinese and Indians that you'd have no doubt of recognizing as racist, i slept at holiday inn and watched blazing saddles last night.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:28 | 1062475 spartan117
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Take it for what it's worth.  He's an ass, and adds little value to discussions on ZH.  He denies being a racist, and asked for proof.  So there it is.  And there are many more posts similar to that one.  All you have to do is search.  I calls em as I sees em.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:50 | 1062651 Spastica Rex
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Good for you. +1

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:32 | 1062506 Cognitive Dissonance
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Watching Blazing Saddles is what pushed your credibility over the top from my point of view. Nice move. :>)

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:02 | 1062714 trav7777
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you had all this time and that's the best you could come up with?  One use of "chinks"?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:22 | 1062869 Cleverbot
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How could you see it? You could not have found it if it was invisible.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 18:16 | 1063621 sushi
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Well, you did post about chinks in the primary containment on #4.


Don't let the bastards get you down.


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:41 | 1062571 Tell me lies
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Plus, did not they say a good portion of the rods in the pool were only 6 months old. This  meaning, they are still very "hot".

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:03 | 1062300 max2205
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CNBC just alerted power to be restored to that Fuckme power plant...end of story?   sure....

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:06 | 1062330 DonnieD
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CNBC PPT. Doing God's work.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:30 | 1062490 akak
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CNBC PPT. Doing God's work.

You fail to mention which God that might be.

Baal, maybe, or perhaps Quetzalcoatl?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:47 | 1062624 LFMayor
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Nice.  Tlalloc was the rain maker they burned kids for wasn't it?  More tears = more rains.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:07 | 1062746 tmosley
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Quetzalcoatl was the nice guy of that particular pantheon.  He demanded that no human sacrifices be made to him.

That didn't stop their bloodthirsty priests, though.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:35 | 1062517 slewie the pi-rat
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did they:

a) fire up a coal plant?

b) use diesel generators?

c) bring in a ship and an extension cord?

d) use tesla "wireless electric delivery", long-suppressed by, uh, GE?

e) something else?

f) lie?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 16:34 | 1062604 slewie the pi-rat
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i hope the correct answer is e) something else, and that the "something else" was get reactor #6 from non-producing to producing electric.  turn the puppy "on". use the juice to run the complex, or what is left of it.

actually, this idea came to the minds of japanese nukuler engineers on the 11th, but their bosses were so busy getting screamed at by the pols, and the engineers and operators were too polite to interrupt.  now, they have answer the question which was directed them this morning:  "Doyou have any suggestions?"  the answer was only delayed by the obligatory bowing, at that point.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 15:11 | 1062368 Cdad
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One of the most shocking things about the last three just how blatant it is that the Ministry of Truth [CNBC] has indeed been revealed as an arm of the new American Marxist/banker party.

And so as this stock market falls away...perhaps consideration on whether or not this network should be allowed to renew its license would be in order.

Short COMCAST, and buy the VXX.

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