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Market Talk: Greek Finance Minister Says Separation From EU May Be Considered, Greek Gov't Categorically Denies
Update: Greek government spokesperson categorically denies talk that Greece would consider leaving EU and Eurozone as reported by RanSquawk.
Market talk for now. With the ECB holding the bulk of Greek debt now courtesy of shadow monetization of Greek debt held by French, German and Italian banks, and the imminent default of Greece the second it leaves the eurozone, this should be a massively EUR negative development, as forexlive points out. Which is why we are rather confused by the straight up kneejerk reaction in the EURUSD.
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Press reports will indicate "temporary" separation. Meanwhile, Turkey rises.
EU or EMU?
My guess, EMU if this is true. The American press always seems to conflate the two.
Mark it talk for now.
In other words, Greece has begun to purchase ink for the printing presses as we head down the road of no return. Lets see if gold moves on this....
Um...anyone else see the "flash crash" phenomenon on silver just now? The Kitco Silver chart just had a heart attack followed by an immediate adrenaline jab...
Must be a problem with Kitco's data.
Had to be a glitch; their DXY index printed at 81 at the exact same time.
WTF was that about?
(nevermind, stupid question... 'why is anything anything?')
Card counting computer is getting fucked with by a dark pool. Somebodys pulling cards out of their sleeve.
Give us cash or we will kill the puppy.
Nah, Germany said they'd kill the puppy.
Nah, Germans would prefer to kill frogs.
Nah, that would be French.
Albatross, methinks you may have missed the double entendre on that one...
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_are_french_people_called_frogs
Touché, MaxPower. Thx..
I was just trying to point out Frenchy
loves frogs, so they wouldn't miss the chance, you know..
La grenouille. Having suffered a bit of embarrassment at the hands of a French friend of mine over the pronunciation of that particular word, let me just tell you that it's a tough one!
The word, not the frog. I like frog actually. Tastes like chicken.
MP
I see the talk about gold going to 1500 has calmed down. And I'd like to thank Cramer and every other sentimental buyer of gold for the sweet money in those puts I bought in GLD exactly one week ago today.
nice!
luving that cramer reciprical trade
Good. Gives me a chance to buy more as things settle down in the near-mid term. The money creation machine will no doubt start roaring again
I bought today, about 1196, glad for the take-down. It will pop back up shortly.
Silver just got shot.
Don't worry. Remember what silver does to the undead.
Yeah, looks like we hit "save" at the same time...what the hell just happened?
option wk
YEP, Greece will leave, but it won't be their choice.....
so the market finally bitchslapped EU into common sense?
Com'on are we seriously giving credence to these rummors? A bunch of large hedge funds spreading bullshit rumors, and ZH is falling for this crap? Take a step back and THINK! Why would Greece leave the EU a couple of weeks after the trillion bailout? Anyone, please enlighten me!!!
Why isn't default a better option for Greece than re-structured debt and austerity?
step 1: 100 bil bailout, eu gaps up and fails the next day.
step 2: 1 tril bailout, eu gaps up and fails the next day.
step 3: idiots at EC realize the only way to save euro is kicking the cheating bastards out, as it has been all along.
Same hedge funds who spread rumors about a greek bailout, categorically denied by Greece as absurd for how many weeks?
And Lazard is most definately not working on the restructing.
Give it a rest.
Perhaps that trillion is not going to materialize, since it was never really there in the first place?
Perhaps the German Elite have seen where the EU Experiment is heading, and they don't want to be left holding the bag?
Perhaps Merkel deiscovered something really nasty hidden in one of Greece's closets?
Perhaps there is some kind of currency war going on and Germany is preparing a blitzkreig?
I think its just manipulation of media news to make traders move in a particular way.
spin the news backwards and forwards, till you make enough money on this...I have been watching this since CIT debacle. THIS is how Goldman makes money every single day
You are living in an alternate universe to think that anything relies on fundamentals anymore.
Maybe in a decade, MAYBE. But you are now living in the DOA, the Decade of Absurdity where little pieces of paper generate 40% of world profits. Huge amounts of Kill-o-watts are being used up by massive computers in tangled amorous foreplay with each other, while the material world is auctioned off by United States Treasury.
You sure you want to step back and THINK! or shouldn't you step away from rationality and abandon the future to fantasies of social collapse?
Forsake sanity, Embrace bedlam.
It is the natural order.
Yep, compared with a 6-8 months ZH is becoming a gossip blog rather than a serious one. See the Iran war hype. Time for TD to shape up.
This is SPARTA!!!
+1
A country as small as Greeze will never ultimately pay back the at least 350 billion they owe as they and everyone else realises.
The bailout was for the french and german banks, not for greece. It didnt clear their debt, just extended it, added to it and kicked it down the road somewhat.
Are those the same bunch of large hedge funds that are buying solar stocks?
When The Beard receives his Humanitarian of the Year award from the ECB I envision him wearing a white dinner jacket this time, rather than the black, so my premonition indicates the banquet will be in the summer time.
Pour the brandy, settle down here in front of the fire, and let Ol' Uncle Ben tell you about how I saved the world back in The Great Intervention.
One might speculate that the "we are not engaged in QE" ECB is also not engaged in currency intervention.
Here's my take. Please forgive me in advance if my level of market sophistication is not up to par.
That trillion dollar bailout package was really for the European banks that are exposed to the Greek Debt. It had nothing to do with giving the Greeks real assistance.
If the Greeks pull out of the Euro, and as a result of that bailout package the European banks are saved, wouldn't that actually help the Euro given that it has just let go one of its weakest links?
Which is better for the Euro, as a currency...if some European banks get defaulted on...or if the European CENTRAL Bank gets default on (and covers their ass by printing Euro)?
You got that right, but what's better for the individual countries--their banks getting decimated, or some nebulous ECB?
It's beginning to look like there won't be a happy ending :)
I think that is a good analysis. Also, the German banking system can be rejigged.
http://www.atlantic-times.com/archive_detail.php?recordID=47
Greek debt restructuring I can believe. This would be euro positive. Greece or Germany leaving the EMU, I just can't see it. But, the Club Med competitiveness issue remains euro negative over time. Johannes Gutenberg
Trading's a tough gig. Don't trade real money on a real trading platform using canned indicators fundamental or technical.
Leo, I don't know why people are junking u?! I gave u a thumbs up buddy! Thanks for sharing such insightful wisdoms as,
And ofcourse my favourite from yesterday,
You're a rookie who doesn't know his head from his arse. Only chicken shit idiots are selling now. Buy this dip, all of this will blow over. Dow will bounce off its 200 day EMA:
forexlive is wrong. (are they quietly taking positions against their readership?)
Greece leaving euro is massively bullish for eur/usd.
Gold and silver are looking great ..time to start adding some bulk.
@ Goods - lol. yes indeed, its sure good to have a "pro" here to advise us rookies isnt it?
:) <-- that's my arse grinning from cheek to cheek there btw, at least I think so, Im not sure..
like this one just did?
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/200-dma-taken-out-es-drops-below-1100
forexlive just said it? Meh, others have been saying it for a while.
But enough carping! Here's a nice story about the Eurosystem. Apparently the Central Bank of Luxembourg spent much of earlyish 2008 providing repos to Kaupthing, Glitnir and Landsbanki secured against the debts of ... Landsbanki, Kaupthing, and Glitnir, not always respectively.
(Come to think of it, there's a connection here.)
er hem... ? http://marketbear.blogspot.com/2010/05/dow-crashes-through-200-day-movin...
still more quality advice from the pros. ..someone is definitely "bodily confused" round here.
give it up leo, this is not your vocation.