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The Market/FX Correlation Pair Of Choice: EUR-JPY

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To the dismay of some CNBC pundits who are presenting a "strong dollar" decoupling case for equities, the key thing that they constantly forget are the numerous constituents of the DXY. A slightly more granular analysis of FX pairs indicated that everything is still as expected, with the JPY-EUR leading the way as usual. And that particular "micro leading" indicator just snapped.

Update: this is what a twang looks like. Is someone calling the BOJ's bluff?




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Fri, 12/11/2009 - 12:30 | Link to Comment Ragnarok
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Off Topic: Does anyone have any opinions/information on the credibility of the Internet posts of ANOTHER, FOA and FOFOA? Those are some pretty intense THOUGHTS!

 

Thanks

 

http://fofoa.blogspot.com/

http://www.usagold.com/goldtrail/archives/another1.html

http://www.usagold.com/goldtrail/archives/goldtrailone.html

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 13:44 | Link to Comment Internet Tough Guy
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FOFOA is the best gold blog online.

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 14:05 | Link to Comment SDRII
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+10

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 21:49 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 12/11/2009 - 12:30 | Link to Comment Oso
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where are all the gold bugs...?  oddly silent after much balihooing about how gold and everything dollar linked was going straight upwards without any thought to the dxy/eur-jpy cross correlations...?  weird how dollar strength is pushing gold down.  and crude, nice little dip below 70 here. 

 

bhueller?

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 12:43 | Link to Comment John Bigboote
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Some gloat when government manipulation is working; gold bugs gloat when it is not. I think that explains it.

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 13:34 | Link to Comment Gunther
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In Dollar there is a normal reaction in the POG; in euro and yen it could be a double and triple top.
The more interesting question is if the actual price reflects physical supply.
The US mint once again stopped sales due to inventory depletion.
http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page34?oid=94091&sn=Detail
Falling prices and shortages usually do not happen at the same time.
Naked short selling would explain that nicely.
If China really buys gold, the shorts are in trouble, if not it is business as usual.

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 13:52 | Link to Comment jimmyjames
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where are all the gold bugs...?  oddly silent after much balihooing about how gold and everything dollar linked was going straight upwards without any thought to the dxy/eur-jpy cross correlations...?  weird how dollar strength is pushing gold down

Who's surprised at this? Nothing wierd about it--

Gold has been trading inverse USD for quite some time--

Gold and dollar are not as you suggest always corrolated--

They have and will again,link up and trade together and compete as currency's--

The real safehaven play--USD and Gold--

Of course gold will do what it's supposed to--it always does--

It just doesn't do it,when everyone thinks it should--

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 13:57 | Link to Comment ATG
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Short EUD/USD working for US...

 

http://www.jubileeprosperity.com/

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 12:43 | Link to Comment Cursive
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Thanks, ZH.  I wasn't looking at that.  Now I am.

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 12:49 | Link to Comment anynonmous
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BofA SEC hearings back on

mms://wms-rbn-sea010.rbn.com/cspan/cspan/wmlive/cspan3v.asf

 

comment

(is it my DSL connection? or is ZH a slow site?)

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 12:54 | Link to Comment rhinotrader
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I think someone attacks ZH site. I can't get on at least once a day. I blame Goldman.

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 13:14 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Fri, 12/11/2009 - 14:00 | Link to Comment El Hosel
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 A  ( normal ) 50% retracement of the last rally  (from Nov 10, 2008 ) lines up at GLD $95 or so, if this is the case we may get a bounce right around here ( at what may be the halfway point of the correction ).

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=GLD&p=W&yr=3&mn=0&dy=0&id=p76142745927

  I am not suggesting that anything "normal" is going on in the markets!

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Chopshop
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EuroYen is THE central risk metric; not largest, per se but effectively the bellweather. 

"the carry trade" term is so bandied about but the king of them all is euroyen; whose pronounced price action is of enormous import to financial markets of all stripes. 

gosh ... if ONLY someone had foreseen this us dollar rally and actually detailed the where, why n when instead of just regurgitating worthless drivel about fundamental nonsense.  now, where could i find someone like that, hmmm.

by the way, its been more than a week now ... where are all the gold bugs who told us they'd "come back in a week and see where our little red dots are then." don't really hear many goldbugs chiming in this week?  where'd ya'll go ??  other than to write another margin check, that is, since "you" kept telling us all to buy on the dips cause 1,xxx is coming by new year's! lol.

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 14:53 | Link to Comment Oso
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ha +1

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 15:04 | Link to Comment Argos
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I guess I'm a gold bug, so I'll respond.  I'm just hoping that the gold price  goes down more, so I can buy more.  I just don't understand currency enough to trade/invest in it.  How can the Yen be worth anything?  And I'm sure everyone here realizes that good old U.S.A. is never going to be able to pay off its debts.  Ever. Give me hard assets before the coming collapse.  By the way, I just bought a 1218 sq. ft. house in a good neighborhood, that last year had a full cash value from the accessor's office of $186K.  I paid $46K.  You want to talk deflation?

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 14:55 | Link to Comment jimmyjames
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by the way, its been more than a week now ... where are all the gold bugs who told us they'd "come back in a week and see where our little red dots are then." don't really hear many goldbugs chiming in this week?  where'd ya'll go ??  other than to write another margin check, that is, since "you" kept telling us all to buy on the dips cause 1,xxx is coming by new year's! lol.

I'm long gold--always long --

Also shorted at 1188--

Long USD as well--

I'm not sure i'm right--

The silly part--is you calling a trend here--lol

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 15:09 | Link to Comment Internet Tough Guy
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Still long physical gold. 10% off the all time high doesn't seem like a crushing blow to me.

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 15:28 | Link to Comment Oso
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its not a crushing blow.  what we are calling people out on is the denial of the correlation.  Gold did not make new highs in any other major free floating currency, certainly not in EUR, AUD, CAD, etc.  which means the last two months of move is entirely dollar short.  this last week continues to confirm that as dollar strengthens etc etc etc.

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 15:57 | Link to Comment jimmyjames
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its not a crushing blow.  what we are calling people out on is the denial of the correlation.  Gold did not make new highs in any other major free floating currency, certainly not in EUR, AUD, CAD, etc.  which means the last two months of move is entirely dollar short.  this last week continues to confirm that as dollar strengthens etc etc etc.

 

Who denied that?

We haven't had a crash in equity's "yet" either--

As in a real flight to safety--

People who thought hyper-inflation/death of dollar were imminent--are the weak hands in gold--

When markets crash--they puke it up and run to cash-

Gold/miners are sold (wrongly) but they do it anyway--

Then comes the realization,that gold is not tanking in sync with commodities,because those who actually know what gold is,are loading up--then comes the decoupling and the hookup with currency's --

It's happened without fail--

Just hedge--you'll be fine in the long run,with gold--jmo

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Grand Supercycle
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DXY UPTREND HAS STARTED.

http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/market-outlook-0

 

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Grand Supercycle
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Chopshop
Fri, 12/11/2009
#160219 "if ONLY someone had foreseen this us dollar rally and actually detailed the where, why n when..."

 

I PREDICTED THE USD RALLY MONTHS AGO.
http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/market-outlook-0

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 16:13 | Link to Comment dnarby
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Go ahead & take a bow, GS. <claps>

Fri, 12/11/2009 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 12/11/2009 - 17:29 | Link to Comment Simurgh
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dollar was so over sold it just needed ANY catalyst to start a squeeze and that catalyst was dubai , the dxy has been on an upward trend since that event and I think we rise until

we get another FOMC meeting minute saying 'we still plan to crush the dollar for extended period of time' combined with a big miss on a jobs report and we will be back to business as usual

 


 


Fri, 12/11/2009 - 21:44 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Sun, 12/13/2009 - 22:15 | Link to Comment steveo
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Chart of Charts 121109 -- Boneless Chicken on Hot Tarmac

In some unusual action the normally stable 20 Day Moving Average is

Flipping Around Like A Boneless Chicken on Hot Tarmac

There are alot of elements to this chart.  I know it is confusing, spend some time to review it.

On Sunday, I added in the Heat Map (now near the bottom 5 DMA chart), and the little dog started mouthing off too.....

Questions or suggestions appreciated, I will respond as time allows.  Sign up as a follower please....it's just a click.

 

 

 

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