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Employment is highly socializing ... merely keeping the masses employed kept a lid on the most extreme problems.
Whatever the solution is, near full employment has to be part of it (although maybe at reduced working hours ... automation is advancing faster than the capacity of natural resources to provide consumption after all).
I agree with the burn theory. Yet we can manage the burn. Some people will not be able to handle the burn, and that will be sad, but we need to let it burn. But people can manage the burn, accordingly.
Some people can detoxify. Some people can educate themselves. Faith in self will be the crux of what is to come.
you can't EVER educate the "masses," as they lack the intelligence to be educable.
Erase WHAT discrimination?
if you were to take into consideration the fact that Whites will be the Minority in America within 5 years.. the whole idea of Minority Protection does not seem so bad now does it!
Aztlan Bitchez!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajkAP_M4ZAM
Basic math check:
Between 2007 and 2010, an additional 34 million Americans had to go on food stamps, because neoliberalism went and shot itself in the head. Total extra cost: $34 billion (http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/annual.htm).
Meanwhile, a self-selected, unaccountable, thieving bunch of Wall Street banksters who produce nothing but bogus securities gets $14 trillion of shady loans backstopped, as well as direct Federal Reserve handouts of $1-$2 trillion (http://www.nomiprins.com/reports/).
Case for the prosecution rests.
Food stamps are a fraud factory. Some states don't even have asset verifications. If the food stamp recipients were unhappy about Wall Street's activities then they should have voted out everyone who voted for TARP in 2008.
They chose not to do that. Instead, virtually all of them were returned to office. Now they can enjoy the foodstamps.
Prosecution's a funny thing. By funny, I mean bought. Meanwhile, back in actuality, look for the underlying trend to continue causing discontent amongst the peasant class.
...is that a Reaganomics dip followed by a Lewinsky jiggle?
neither capitalism nor marxism fits... let me think... maybe 'command plutocracy'?
You're blaming Mickey Mouse's dog?
sorry, I should have been more precise, I meant the planet.
Well; Pluto was de-rated and was no longer a planet. But....that only lasted a little while. Scientists walk up from their daydreaming and reverse themselves. Pluto is magically a planet again.
when planet x comes by our planet, due to its size and gravitational pull, it will cause the earth to stop its rotation. what will this mean to life here on this planet? well one thing. right now we are all going about 18,000 mph. correct? so everything stops? such a thing would be catastrophic , no.? so it is said, and so it has been stipulated and so it has also been said, that this has happened before in the history of this planet........or it could be just one big bunch of bullshit.........:)...
it is a huge bunch of bullshit
They are paid based on head...err planet...count.
i have heard it said that one in six americans work for some government entity. how can you expect any real change when so many are bought off so cheaply. besides those who work for government, you have so many who also receive government money. so now people complain about government, while at the same time sucking hind tit off the government sow. What did Jesus Christ say? A man cannot serve two masters. This is correct. Anyone working for government and/or receiving government money, in any shtf scenerio cannot be trusted and will be perceived as being the enemy.......(one might conclude).......
the printing press steals wealth from yet unborn people. Bankers get the biggest share of this stolen wealth. But EVERYBODY, including you and me, who has been living above the poverty threshold somewhere in the western world has withdrawn his share of this stolen wealth, regardless if you worked for the government or not.
And.. I have heard that the price for keeping the unemployed, the food stamps and the welfare recipients on the payroll is only 7% of the gov. expenditure. Considering that they monetize trillions, they can carry-on and paying them for ever.
well maybe, maybe not, but the point is, if you receive money or sustainence fom the beast, then you have no right, (in my humble opinion) to complain about the beast. matter of fact, even voting , to my way of thinking, is a conflict of interest. take my neighborhood for instance. i bet fully 75 percent or more of the people who live here get some kind of government checks. am i to believe that when the stuff hits the fan that these people will turn their backs on the beast that helps them, that feeds them, that gives them crumbs from its table? i say this. i don't believe any of them will be of any use. yet they will also point fingers of blame , and at who? me? why? because to them, as their brainwashed minds, i am the enemy, i am antipatriotic because i dare to be different, i dare to go against the grain, i dare to see things as they are, not as the government wants me to....and to these kinds of people, who are bought off cheaply and wish to remain in their own little bubbles , complete with their chains of slavery, to them, i am a clear and present danger.........and so it will be my friends........and so it will be....make no mistake about.......
Very true. Anyone who relies on any government (federal, state, local) for survival must be regarded with extreme skepticism. They have everything to lose. It amazes me how many government workers self-identify as Republican, Tea, or Libertarian.
if and when any severe civil distress starts here, one must be very careful about what one says and to who. you never know. most people will drop a dime on you, if they feel their lot would be improved doing such. so just because people live around you and are in your neighborhood, it cannot be taken as a given, that they will be on your side, so to speak. again, anyone with a anti government attitude, will have to be very careful. the land will be full of spies...
i am 60 years young, and back in the day, government work was like school teaching. we all knew it was there, but nobody really wanted to do it, unless they got desparate and couldn't find anything else better. it was always viewed as stop gap measure. now people do this because they have no choice. kind of like going to war and telling yourself that you are doing it for us americans so we can have our rights to freedom (yeh right) . not only this, but nowadays, these children get out of college , they owe all of this money on educational loans and many of them are not finding work....i know many young people who tell me things and i inform them that its not going to get better. this is not the same world your father grew up in........i am sorry.........once upon a time, they would laugh in my face..........but no more..........no more........they know....... .....
Tyler -- this is for Greece surely??
greece = lehman brothers
united states = AIG
over and out....
Rot.
Pretty much everyone in the US recieves direct or indirect transfers of money from the Federal govt. The largest beneficiaries of govt transfers are our capitalist companies, large and small. The greatest supporters of those transfers are our solid Republican farmers. The equally solid Republican businesses that comprise our housing industry love those masssive transfers of govt wealth into their pockets.
Let's drop meaningless words like "Marxist" and call or love of govt handouts for what it is....Greed.
the government, gets a transfer payment, unauthorized by me, out of every paycheck. I have no control, over how much, or how it is spent. my vote does not seem to transfer my will. isn't this what the revolution was all about
Capitalist don't get bail-outs, subsidies or any other form of Government aid. They own their means of production and suceed or fail by their own merit through voluntary exchanges in the market place...You my friend are infact talking about Marxism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism. Those who win or profit by their connection to the Political ruling class. Thanks for playing!
Well, that's at least 19% who won't vote for Ron Paul, no matter what.
I don't know about that. Ron Paul, as a long-term government employee, is in that 19%. Most of the people who complain the loudest about it are the very same people who are benefiting the most from it (see: corporations, Tea Party, and Rand Paul himself).
So if you don't care for the size or direction of the Federal Government, you have no right to work inside that Government to make the changes you advocate? Hmm very interesting..BTW, I believe Dr. Paul returned over $145k of unused Congressional office funds and also doesn't participate in their very generous retirement/health plans.. Wierd I know!
Marx and Engels were extremely astute observers of and prescient commentators on the political and economic. It would be most interesting to hear what they would have to say about today, and my guess is that they would be pretty much correct.
Marxism is very much 'last century' and viewed as incomlete and flawed even by those who might have wished to use it, the 'workers movement'; they have moved on and are using other ideas. Just to cite "Marxism" is a bit weak.
'Last century' --- the one we just finished a decade ago? Better tell Barry, he supported the attempted marxist takeover attempt of Honduras just two months after he was inaugurated in 2009.
Marx was indeed an observer -- he never worked a day in his life. He mooched off of Engels, who mooched it off his rich parents.
There isn't a nickles worth of difference between Marxismprogressivismfascismsocialismcommunism. They're just different degrees of the same thing. Classifying them by the amount of confiscation and loss of freedoms is a semantic excercise and the systems usually move (to more control) anyway.
Even with a soft socialism, system spending increases and the debt rises until it has to stop. When it stops people complain, and the govenment responds with scapegoats, loss of freedoms, confiscations, regulations/controls, police state and authoritarianism to try to hobble things together. Government statism never admits it is to blame, honesty is their existential threat.
Tyler's chart shows Obama has ramped up spending on an unsustainable trajectory despite a financial crises and massive debt. This is madness. We all know where this is going. Fritz Zulauf, member of Barrons roundtable and former Asset Manager at UBS, predicts economic collapse by middle of this decade and subsequent crackdowns and loss of freedoms (KWN, GATA). "They always go down fighting," he says.
It'd sound pretty much exactly the same as it was awhile back.
The oligarchy controls the means of production, most individuals are wage-slaves to the oligarchs, and glorious proletariat revolution is coming as the technology becomes sufficiently distributed for the masses to control their own destiny.
Oligarchs = a few thousand extremely wealthy individuals who run the biggest corporations and control vast wealth
Sovereign governments are nowadays more similar to "bourgeosie" than oligarchs because they are effectively captured/controlled by oligarchs to keep the proles in line
Proletariat = pretty much everyone on the planet whose survival is dependent on their ability to sell their labor to the oligarchy and its institutions
That glorious revolution part should start any second now, I'm sure.
Oops
When a government exceeds the GDP, it finds new ways to collect revenues.
Soon I will write my a blog entry about Mussolini and Ponzi, the two Italians who are actually the most influential in real life politics and economics. The rest are just academic bullshit. In fact, both should be posthumously be awarded the Nobel prizes for real world political and economic contributions.
cheers
Yup. I've always found funny that Charles Ponzi only gets 203,000 results on Google, while he is problably the man whose works are the most understood and applied by politicians and "decision makers" in modern times.
Charles Ponzi understood that pyramid schemes, just like money printing, permit to achieve instant and incredible prosperity for the current generation and leave the ticking bomb onto the next.
And because the "next generation" is something vague, troubled, distant, nobody actually bothers to worry.
i can't smell the marxism due to the overwhelming stench of the fascism.
Fascism and Marxism always had a lot in common. The early Nazis before Hitler embraced both at the same time, hence the party name National Socialist. Fascist economics is after all quite leftist, with a basis of private enterprise but an omnipotent government that tells businesses especially the largest what to do for the sake of state interests.
The Nazi's also confiscated privately owned firearms, murdered the mentally ill and handicapped, and were the original "nutrition Nazi's".
i think you have been listening to alex jones too much......
Too much for what?
Personally, I've learned a lot from Alex Jones. It's easy to sneer at him, but on most subjects he is far more right than wrong.
No, really.
They used IBM machines to track people down.
No. Nazism is quite literally anti-communism. They embraced a form of socialism, but they detested communism.
Socialism and communism are not and never were the same thing, or even similar. Socialism endorses private property in some respects (Nazis were pro-private-property. Communism rejects the entire concept of private property in every case. As such, communism doesn't really work out for the leaders, which is why it has never been implemented.
This is not to defend any of those concepts, but everyone here seems to think that Marxism is the same as socialism. Anyone who has ever read what Marx actually wrote would know that Marx hated socialism, but he viewed it as a necessary evil to transition to a communist system.
In short: Marx was not a socialist!
A (National Socialism) not= B (Communism)
C (Socialism) not= B
D (Marxism) not= C
Everyone on ZH (who?) says D = C
In Short D not= C
The long version introduces some arguable issues, in addition to making the logic confusing.
marxism the state issues the money, fascism the banks issue the money. whomever/whatever institution issues the money holds the ultimate power. marxist social programs are enacted to somewhat protect the people from fascism. the corporations and wealthy control it all, the people are powerless, hardly the stuff marxism is made from.
this is neither marxism or capitalism. it just stupidism!!
Just like the early 70's. Nothing new here, move along.
Geez, I can't believe that none of you guys has realized who the bulk of those people are- social security recipients!!
The "something for nothing crowd" is winning! We are getting close to the black market economy for the doers. Take the money from DC and the pigs will scream! Pigs are poor fighters
Hey guys,
My apoligies for interupting. Breaking news from Germany.
German Federal Reserve Chairman Jens Weidmann is sounding the alarm:
"Nothing would destroy the incentives for sound fiscal policy more quickly and more permanently than a shared responsibility for a [eurozone] national debt [eurobond]."
His words kinda carry a lot of weight. Or maybe, most all of the weight...
Bundesbank-Präsident warnt vor Milde für Griechenlandhttp://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soziales/0,1518,774920,00.html
Should be a really, really interesting week coming up...
-updated with further clarity-
>Bundesbank chief slams eurobonds"Nothing would destroy more quickly and in a more lasting fashion incentives for a solid budget policy that joint guarantees for sovereign debt," Jens Weidmann told the Bild am Sonntag weekly in an interview.
"But this is exactly what some politicians and economists are proposing in the form of eurobonds as a solution to Greece's problems," he said.
"The result would be European taxpayers, and first and foremost German ones, vouching for Greece's entire national debt. It would be a step towards a transfer union, something which Germany has correctly opposed thus far."<
http://news.ph.msn.com/business/article.aspx?cp-documentid=5057034
This is Marxist in that it is anti-capitalistic.
I wonder sometimes, what exactly is capitalism?
Freedom? Why not call it freedom? Why are some people not free to hold leverage over government, like the bankers do?
Is it a fair justice system? Too many definitions of justice and fairness to use this in a practical definition.
Is it low taxes and low regulation? Then where do you draw the line? 10% taxes is capitalism but 20% isn't?
Competative markets? There have been many instances where that has been the case but the system couldn't be called capitalism.
A system where industry is controlled by owners of capital seeking profit is the current definition more or less but then when is industry really ever ultimately controlled by those who don't employ the only legitimate use of violence, the government?
Private ownership of capital has been around for millenia and can hardly define capitalism.
Etymology:
according to the Online Etymology Dictionary, the use of the word "capital" in the context of "capital goods" in barely as old as the federal reserve (since 1899):
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=capital
The term capitalism was never used by Marx or Smith.
Also capital, which ultimately traces back its origins to PIE kaput, meaning head, has indeed held the meaning of "something of value to be used for profit making purposes" for some time, seeing as it meant the heads of the livestock one would one. Cattle traces its origins to the same word as capitalism and many currencies are named after animals used for trade.
source: http://circleof13.blogspot.com/2009/04/etymology-of-capitalism.html
Also curious is that "capitalist," seen as early as 1792 was often used in combination as "capitalist imperialist."
source: http://historiesofcatastrophicdreaming.wordpress.com/revolutionary-thought/the-etymology-of-the-word-capitalism/
This leads to a scary question, did capitalists work with the government from the start?
Another question that arises, now that I have researched the etymology. Is "capitalism," as a word referring to the system, seeing as it became popular only around later nineteenth century/ early twentieth century, just the ying that arose out of Marxism "yang"? It may have been invented as "anti-marxism".
Now I believe capitalism is an ideal. A great, awesome ideal to strive for, but realistically never achieved. Just like communism was a wonderful ideal in the minds of many, capitalism may seem to be closer to existing reality and more easily achievable but never within reach. It is the way those wronged tell themselves things ought to work. There is the world that is out there and it isn't capitalism, nor will it be in our lifetime.
I think you come very close with "Freedom". Freedom in the financial sphere, within the law.
The problem that people always bring up is when people use money "like the bankers do" to buy the power of government, the courts, the military, and so on. I don't call that “capitalism”, but “corruption”.
Likewise, if a majority of voters votes to confiscate the property of wealthy citizens, that is also “corruption”, and it is the essence of Marxism.
Freedom...within the law. It seems like there are two contrasting forces at work in that sentence.
Freedom a very ambigious term defined by many with positive and negative rights. The law has to be written, and the people who write it do so as long as others will follow it. When enough people exercise their freedom not to follow a law it stops beeing one.
Just curious though, what would you point to as an example of a capitalist system, past or present?
Tumblingdice: capital refers to "something of value to be used for profit making purposes".
Becoming enslaved to "capital" is the essence of "capitalism", at least to many "Marxists".
There is certainly a lot which is questionable about Marx's analysis and presumed solution to escape enslavement to "capital".
Specifically: Core beliefs of classical Marxism = labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, class struggle, and a dictatorship of the proletariat leading to a classless society.
While either so-called “capitalism” or so-called “Marxism” may lead to totalitarian government, there is a difference between “dictatorship of the proletariat” and “dictatorship of the plutocrats”.
There is a difference of perspective in “class struggle” to the fascists, and “class struggle” to the socialists.
It is misleading to portray, suggest, or imply the problems of our current government and society are due to a “proletariat” takeover or a "proletariat" amassing of wealth … instead of resulting from the actual rule by the plutocrats and the profit-driven corporations they head (capitalism)
UK > http://www.spygun.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/public-employment.gif
Firstly I feel that an oversubscribed public sector is in fact quite a good indicator of a socialist state.
It also appears to now be a very good indicator of a declining economy.High taxes,plus counter productive regulations.
You see, the regulations are the "politburos" way of making sure the government has influence in the workplace.
Big goverment = marxism ?
I would say in some instances ,definately
Does this include contracts from the feds? or "transfer" payments for welfare and SS, etc.? I mean there are a lot of contractors out there who "work" for the federal governtment. On the rolls they are considered "private sector" since they work for companies. But are they really? if the check comes from the feds?
I am a federal employee and I know a number of government contractors. Federal "contractors" are basically federal employees as well, with only slight differences in terms of compensation and benefits. According to a friend, there is no real free market for many of these contractors - once a particular contractor is hired they are never replaced. The work atmosphere is bureaucratic and no one is fired except for egregious misconduct. Thus once you start working for one you are truly on the "gravy train" just like a federal employee. I would speculate the only reason for the existence of all these contractors is so we can pretend there is still a free market and that America is not, in fact, a communist country.
As there truly is no difference between federal employees and government contractors, they ought to be included in the graph as well. It would be interesting to see what it looks like then.
So the Chinese are turning into the staunching capitalists and we are turning into communist...contrafibulation!
Our systems are merging into some horrible mutation
5 year plans aren't long enough any more, we have to have "X trillion over 10 year" plans now.
To see this mutation die would not be the worst thing to happen to humanity.
No, not really ... they manipulate their currency just as much as the US, they have more centrally planned intervention in the economy as well.
Just because they are succesfull doesn't mean they are capitalist ... they are staunch believers in the ability of a regulated market's ability to achieve goals set by the regulators. In that respect they are not so different from the US, their regulators just have differrent goals. Of course with the diet slowly being taken over by billionaires they soon enough will find themselves sliding into the same situation as the US.
By the 0.1% for the 0.1%.
+1 the chinese make loans internally then don't give a crap if they all default. they are majority owners of all the corporations. hardly capitalism.
The creativity that went into devising how the local governments and local banks in China can still pump liquidity into the market and real estate via shadow banking and trust companies after Beijing told its Big 4 to halt all lending activities is nothing but pure capitalism, my friend.
If you believe that Bejing really wants to deflate you are drinking the msm koolaide.
It's a cluster..
...bomb?
As mentioned before, the bulk of the chart is Social Security and is paid for by payroll taxes.
Funny definition of Marxism.
People Stampede For Public Housing Vouchers In Dallashttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7lk_wqwfQg&feature=player_embedded
Without Marx and Lenin, I would never have become leader of the Soviet Union.
They laid the intellectual groundwork for my personal rise to power.
So I guess I should thank good old Karl.
Btw, he is buried in London, at Highgate Cemetary.
With dictatorial socialist greetings
Jossif
Hi, Uncle Joe, how are things back in Georgia?
the PTB's insurance against mass rebellion, at least for now...when the shit hits the fan they will play the "obey or you will be cut off" card...
Marxism may never sleep, but fascism is also a chronic insomniac.
the fascists are the ones squealing the loudest to raise the debt ceiling.
Kabuki theater. All (one or two exceptions, but who knows for sure?) of them want the debt ceiling raised, but they have to play their parts until the inevitable raise is approved.
Even if there were to be no agreement and a "default," would anything meaningful change? Sure, there might be some checks that wouldn't go out right away, and some offices might be closed. Doubt that the Fed, JPM, GS, and others won't get their vig though. Doubt that we'll stop playing imperial games around the world either. A big deal will be made about something hugely symbolic yet insignicicant in the budget percentage, like seniors not getting their checks and emergency services and public safety being curtailed. Threatening TEOTWAWKI and the whole dogs and cats living together is a great scare tactic.
In the end, the debt ceiling is an arbitrarily chosen number in an already ridiculously unsustainable house of cards. Legislators on both sides are bleating their ideology on this made-up issue, but none of them are proposing changing the overall system to fix anything. Works well to focus on it and keep the populace divided on yet another irrelevant argument...and thus conquered.
1) Entrepreneurial capitalism (Henry Ford)
2) Financial capitalism (Rotschild, etc.)
3) Communism
Financial capitalism has used antagony between communism and capitalism (read entrepreneurial capitalism) to seize power in silence while people, while having common interests, were (and are still) fighting each other. I have seen many countless idiots blaming the Greek debt on socialist policies. It's true it's a reason, but how to explain Japan 220 % debt ? The debt issue is not related to socialism, capitalism, or whatever system.
I also want to add that given the ongoing technological revolution, I doubt everybody can get a job, so yes, finding a way to redistribute wealth will be mandatory. Our future society should be a lot of entrepreunerial capitalism with a touch of marxism. Only one category is useless : the WS predators. Let's shoot the helicopter instead of fighting on ideology field.
Jobs like wealth can be spread around if you're not afraid to hurt productivity a bit ... shorten working hours.
Your Rothschild and Bilderberger types are the ones pushing the marxist/socialist policies to indebt the sovereigns. Socialism is their tool. They financed Lenin and the 1917 revolution. A touch of marxism is like a touch of the plague.
"According to a [Newport Beach] city report on lifeguard pay for the calendar year 2010, of the 14 full-time lifeguards, 13 collected more than $120,000 in total compensation; one lifeguard collected $98,160.65.
More than half the lifeguards collected more than $150,000 for 2010 with the two highest-paid collecting $211,451 and $203,481 in total compensation respectively....Lifeguards are able to retire with 90 percent of their salary, after only 30 years of work at as early as the age of 50."
http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/2011/0...
"Why steal less when you can steal more."
Hardly an example of government waste, simply a local choice by a local community of rich fucks to pay their lifeguards well.
"Marxism never sleeps, so neither shall I" -- Gulag inmate, Soviet Union
Anyone wonder why Goldman Sachs, JPM, and TPTB have not done hard lobbying to get the US government to cut back spending and get realistic about the debt? Why American socialism seems to be their bread and butter?
Because marxism is making them filthy rich. They get to finance and hold US government deficits/debt of the social welfare state. Through the miracle of fractional banking they can create free money. They have no interest whether any government program actually works. Our debt is their free money.
That looks surprisingly like how democracies degenerate into despotisms.
democratic Government is despotism incarnate ...it is the same as a distatorship, a monopoly power structure in society. The results of all monopolies are the same, they produce garbage, destroy wealth and abuse peoples freedoms
how a monopoly of power and authority in society can protect its freedom takes the morons of liberal thinking to explain away. The two are completely incompatiable as we are finding out by the day with the bully-boy States abuse of all our liberties, privacy and even freedom to think/speak as we wish
A graph showing the transfer of wealth, socialism/Marxism... what it doesn't show is the equally disturbing numbers (in $) on fascism: transfer of wealth to the elite corporatists which would make that chart look even more bloody awful
socialism/marxism and fascism is of course not the transfer of wealth but the destruction of wealth. It is also the biggest moral hazard in society, robbing the productive and propping up the unproductive (parasites). As both ideological failures have proven in reality it doesn't improve or enrich society, it drags everyone down the economic sewer
Contrast it with the increasing income of the top 1% as a per cent of national income. If the rich take the real money, the poor need to get something from somewhere.
The rich seem to have forgotten that a more equitable distribution of income is actually good for their health. Keep heading in the current direction and (rich) heads may roll, literally.
BillWilson - you need to update your simple 1 catagory of the rich into 2 . There are productive rich and unproductive rich (parasites). The latter gain their wealth and priviledge through the State apparatus, the front for robbing society and preventing competiton in free markets, via taxation and Law/regulation
The productive rich enrich society with jobs, progress and wealth creation. The parasites impoverish society by robbing the productive wealth creating side of society through the State.
I hope when it's time for "heads to roll" you understand the difference or you'll be even poorer coming out the other side which would be a waste of a revolution to purge the rich unproductive wealth destroying parasites (which all revolutions are about if you check)
Productive or unproductive, doesn't matter. You could kill 100,000 people on Earth, ANY 100,000 people, and things will roll along just fine.
The question is how you draw the line for "rich." There may only be 25,000 of them, in which case their destruction would be of even less significance.
> $1M? 10M globally, 3.1M in the US
> $30M? 93k global, 36k in the US
> $1B? 1,210 globally, 385 in the US
on Sun, 07/17/2011 - 14:43
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Productive or unproductive, doesn't matter. You could kill 100,000 people on Earth, ANY 100,000 people, and things will roll along just fine.
The question is how you draw the line for "rich." There may only be 25,000 of them, in which case their destruction would be of even less significance.
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Prosecuting the Treasonous Scum Publicly is a deterrent for future generations to look back on.
But the Top 1% for me is about the TOP 1% of Entities (and I will say again, 1% might NOT! Cover the built in Criminal Structure) used against "We the People".
Dismantling the Businesses that received Trillions of Dollars on Wall Street.. but then did nothing with the Money except give themselves Bonuses? and let the FED Print away the Value?
People get hung up on a person or persons.. you could line up Congress and the Senate in total, hang them all and the system would be up and running again in 1 week.. if it took that long. This is a Systemic built in Problem that needs to be DESTROYED!!
The Constitution is used for toilet paper, the Judicial prefers Procedural Law as opposed to higher law which gives the lil dicked ego maniacs more lee way.
There is NO Justice in America! There is No Freedom in America.. there is the illusion they allow you to have, as they see fit and as determined byt what will be the most effective against "We the People" psychology to keep the Sheepish Masses in order.
I'm all for prosecuting the thieves, but that "treasonous" talk does nothing for me.
Anyone serious about the use of the word "treason" is talking about protecting the government, and I think when the rot is as deep as it is today, there's nothing left there worth protecting.
Then you are thinking too literally and linearly.
Bzzzt...wrong. Treason is the betrayal of the nation, not the government...as in sending our entire industrial base overseas to take advantage of slave labor.
Which country are you talking about?
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
It isn't zero-sum, Bill. Rich people getting rich is not, itself, the problem, but rather a symptom.
Lack of potential for upward mobility and a level playing field with respect to opportunity (not outcomes, that's on you) is the core problem.
They said a funny thing on NPR last week, the reporter stated that in the last election, many of the most conservative Republicans were forced out of office and replaced by Tea Party extremists, she stated they were called RINOs and explained what that meant.
Does this mean that a neocon looks like a conservative to a Marxist? Just wonderin'
Who is Ron Paul?
Socialism in Nazi Germany meant the state could take over, deny, kill, whatever in the name of God and State. The "social contract" was very one sided. Personal rights, goals, effort was in conformance with state goals. It was successful in science, production. Ultimate price was paid by the people.
Modern day "socialism" is often defined by its opponents as any government activity except war. Job creators are worshipped, and own government and the courts. Ever once in a while the socialists are called in to clean up the mess.
Well THAT explains unemployment.
ummmm.....being dependent on the state isn't a trait of Marxism....it's a characteristic of FASCISM. (the result of extremist rightwing)
and....as you'll notice....no party puts the general American populace on the welfare dole more than the Repuglicans.
ooops....if you're going to wear a political asshat...puhleeease make sure it's on straight next time.
Please explain your statement. BTW Fascism was coined by Benito Mussolini, a dictator that aligned himself with Adolf Hitler (National Socialist Workers Party) and Joseph Stalin, a communist.Not really much of a right winger.
Of course, the left vs. right claptrap is all BS. The real battle is Statism vs. Libertarianism (the original Liberalism). The power of the individual vs. the power of the State. The I vs. the WE.
Those warm and fuzzy marxists/fascists/progressives: It was on this day in 1918 that Czar Nicholas and his family were executed to ensure there was no going back.
Reality for normal folks.
http://www.amishnews.com/amisharticles/amishss.htm
What was once a benefit had now become a law.
F.A. Hayek in his Road to Serfdom (p. 168) said:
MARXISM NEVER SLEEPS?
You play a fine little game attacking the rich as exploiters one moment and then accusing the poor of being socialist parasites the next don't you?
Every dime of federal and state entitlement money paid out is the result not of Marxism but of good old home grown democracy. Is all of it well spent and justified? Of course not, but the amount of social spending that is either fraudulent or simply double dipping is not even one tenth of the money we pay out to the investor class for the interest on the money they lent us rather than pay in as real taxes. Not to mention the multi trillion dollar gifts you made to the bankers in the last 4 years.
I have a plan, I say we raise minimum wage to $21 per hour, and we institute a maximum wage of 75 bucks an hour, everything above that is taxed at 100%. We also tax estates at 98% and let the rug rats rise on their own merits since so many of you think merit is the only thing that counts, it will not bother you since you raised your kids right yes? I also say we institute a national sales tax on luxury goods, as well as a national property tax. That is after all a consumption tax is it not? Isn't that what the right wants?
What is the end result of those proposals? Companies will not pay CFO's and CEO's more than that in wages or bonuses, nor their managerial personnel because it will just get taken in taxes anyway, instead they will pay the company profits to the owners of the companies, you remember those right? The stockholders? No more $20,000,000 apartments in Manhattan and an estate worth $50,000,000 in the Hamptons, and a $300,000,000 yacht tied up in Monte Carlo that the taxpayers bought because it was a write off for the company which purchased it for the person use of one man that never paid a dime of taxes on anything in his life.
I am just a disabled vet, I have to get by on $2,700 a month for the rest of my life with no chance of advancement and I am really pissed that my life was fucked up in the service of the nation...YOU... and I am reviled as a Marxist parasite. It makes me really sorry I ever enlisted. The USA, YOU do not deserve to exist and I hope you get what is coming to you very soon. You are greedy, lazy, lying motherfuckers and the planet would be better off without you!
Anyone attempting to associate Nazism with communism or socialism or even just left leaning democracy, or any progressive thought, is trying to rewrite history and is in fact trying to justify both the Nazis and their own hatreds for minorities. Hitler made his Reich upon the promise to destroy communism, nothing more needs to be said about that. He hated communists and socialists so deeply that he would rather see Germany burn than be communist. The only reason the party was called the NSDAP ( Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei ) was that it was 1923 and they had just lost the war with almost half the working population unemployed. Calling yourself a socialist party when the alternative was Soviet style communism WAS the right wing at that time. But it was not socialism in fact, it was and always will be right wing fascism no matter how many of you wish it were different. And we, you and me, will always be enemies. Deadly enemies.
I am a good citizen, I did my duty, I go out of my way to not bother people and I help my neighbors as best I can. I have come to the conclusion that the USA is either dying or dead, the difference is that if dead I cannot do anything more to help it, if dying I am required by my conscience to do all I can to avoid it's demise, and in my opinion the only thing that will save America at this point is for the rich, the right, and the stupid fucking christians to get the fuck out with their money and their idiotic beliefs and let real Americans go back to work.
But make no mistake, I am sick in my heart with your racism and class warfare, by now all I want is for you to fucking die Mr. Xtian reichwinger. I will not allow my nation to become the fourth Reich. No matter what it takes.