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Matt Simmons Has Died Of A Heart Attack

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CNBC notes the apparent cause of death of the recently popular BP skeptic, and founder of oil company Simmons & Co., was a heart attack. A conflicting report according to WLBZ cites the source of death as drowning.

NORTH HAVEN, Maine (NEWS CENTER) - The Knox County Sheriff's Department says Matthew Simmons, the founder of the Ocean Energy Institute, drowned at his house on North Haven late Sunday night.

Simmons was a leading investment banker for the energy industry and had recently retired to work full time on the new Ocean Energy Institute.

He was a leading proponent of offshore wind power and had started raising money to develop and build offshore turbines.

He and his family had also bought and rebuilt the Old Strand Theater in downtown Rockland.

 

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Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:30 | 510571 The Rogue Trader
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Suspicious!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:40 | 510599 Sudden Debt
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we can still change the headlines you know. Would you be more happy if we printed: "death by crossing over the street" of "death by falling into a elevator shaft"?

HE! Didn't you also have a remark about the glorious and green company BP?!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:03 | 510703 tpberg7
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The truth will set you free.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:27 | 510749 oddjob
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The truth gave Vince Foster his freedom,from life.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:28 | 510942 RichardP
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A person can have a heart attack and drown while swimming or hot-tubbing.  Don't know if that is what happened here, but it is at least possible.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:48 | 510992 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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You mean like this guy?

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE59O1VO20091026

Madoff's buddy ends off the same way.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 20:57 | 511750 FEDbuster
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Wonder if they poured a couple of gallons of 10w40 into the hot tub just for laughs? 

Goldman settles on the day they pass "reform", Simmons dies on the day they "plug" the leak.  They are getting pretty bold in their timing.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:11 | 510718 DarkMath
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This isn't suspicious at all. He killed himself and this is really really sad. His heart was in the right place but he got caught up in events. He rightly called BP's bluff on the amount of Oil and then over played his hand. He went Short BP stock and was wrong. I'm sure the guilt of that and his lost reputation was too much for him.

This is so sad......

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:17 | 510729 EscapeKey
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I seriously doubt he did a Cliff Clavin on his BP short.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:25 | 510747 The Deacon
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Are you joking or is your job to post on blogs and present a certain point of view?

If you went short and it went against you,  would you end your life? 

Its not like he is notable for anything else in his career....

Wait, I get it, you are kidding.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:38 | 510767 spekulatn
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‘Broken’ Billionaire Merckle Killed Self, Family Says

"“The dedicated family businessman was broken by his inability to handle the situation and he ended his own life,” his family said in a statement today. “The distress at his companies caused by the financial crisis and the resultant uncertainty of the last few weeks” contributed to his death, the family added.


Merckle, whose estimated $9.2 billion fortune put him 94th on Forbes’ list of the world’s richest people, was hurt by bets on Volkswagen AG, a drop in the value of HeidelbergCement stock and increasing debt. The family’s spiraling debt threatened holdings including its VEM Vermoegensverwaltung GmbH holding company, which owed the bank about 5 billion euros, people with knowledge of the matter said last month."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a_C73O_KjPlY

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:35 | 510874 Bring the Gold
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Right, there's nothing suspicious about a well connected Billionaire jumping in front of a train to commit suicide. Sort of like that Madoff guy who drowned in his pool:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a.I5ibsm7LpU

Or that Enron guy who got all sad after turning state's evidence.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/10/eveningnews/main505845.shtml Yeah nothing to see here! Move along and for gods sake don't think or anything!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:52 | 510894 VWbug
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can you name one celebrity or high profile person whose death you think was NOT a conspiracy of some kind?

Just curious

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:17 | 510932 downrodeo
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David Carradine

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:55 | 511005 JP McManus
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I'm taking downrodeo on Family Feud.  Good answer.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:56 | 511011 VWbug
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good one!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:09 | 511039 DaveyJones
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i thought it had something to do with the bondage market

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:04 | 511190 Trundle
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Mister Ed.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:22 | 511243 Bring the Gold
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Gee let's see: Don Knotts, Jim Henson, John D. Rockefeller I, II and III, King Edward, King Henry the VIII. Actually I would say 98% of all celebrities and rich people die from natural causes. Then there are ones that are just a tad convenient and suspicious due to timing and circumstance. Weak sauce response hommie.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:37 | 511288 VWbug
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so Marilyn,  Elvis, Jim Morrison, Kurt Cobain and all the others you are about to hear mentioned in this thread were not some kind of conspiracy?

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:50 | 510893 rapunzel
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look at Ken Lay.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:50 | 510892 goldfish1
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Riiiiight. Go peddle your disinfo to the stupid.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:05 | 511195 George the baby...
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If you have a look at his photo, you'll clearly see this man was suffering from some serious high blood pressure issues.  I'm putting my tin foil hat away for the time being.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:25 | 511255 Bring the Gold
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Yes, I agree he didn't look healthy and he was under quite a bit of stress I imagine. That said the timing is quite impeccable now that BP has the gusher "under control".

It's a sign of the times that a death like this looks so suspicious. Lets not forget the security chief at Davos who also got all sad:

 

http://en.rian.ru/world/20100126/157687651.html

 

I think this one is about fifty/fifty. We'll see if anything more comes to light. I'm willing to go with Occam's razor on this one, but it doesn't mean I won't follow the story and see if anything else comes to light.

Tue, 08/10/2010 - 08:37 | 512263 SheepDog-One
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Interesting though a month ago Matt Simmons 'jokingly' said in an interview he's perfectly healthy from a recent physical exam. Of course you guys know otherwise, 'CLEARLY' from a photo you can see its no surprise he dropped dead of a sudden total heart attack.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:41 | 510882 johngaltfla
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And if you believe it was an accident or a heart attack well…….

Let’s review his “enemies” list:

1. The U.S. Government

2. British Petroleum

3. The House of Saud

I’m just sayin’.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:59 | 511016 Cojones
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British Pension Funds?

The British Royal Family?

The list is endless, really. 

My advice?  Buy Alcoa!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:41 | 511446 groucho_marxist
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nah.

it was an accident, just like the guy who fell down an elevator shaft onto some bullets.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 19:15 | 511633 Windemup
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At least it wasn't an accidental fall from the balcony of a high rise in Vienna. That would be suspicious.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:31 | 510572 Astute Investor
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Death from a "heart attack" or an agitator simply silenced by the TPTB?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:43 | 510629 Internet Tough Guy
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Is every death a conspiracy now? This is rather insulting to the family.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:47 | 510643 I am a Man I am...
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No it's not.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:00 | 510690 MarketTruth
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Agree that not every death is suspcious. Still, when the Washington DC madam who said over and over again she would never commit suicide was found Arkancided.

Look up Arkancide...

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:12 | 510722 Rusty Shorts
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 - oh great, looked up "arkancide", and my electric power was cut off, now some kind of trojan virus hit my computer, a black helicopter just flew over my house, and..uh..oh shit, someone is knocking on my door..aarghh

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:25 | 510744 Millivanilli
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 Dick Cheney is dining on his liver.  The entree is accompanied by a bottle of chianti and fava beans.   

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:51 | 510792 bonddude
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Well, THAT one was fishy.

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:44 | 510979 Smokey
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Boy, do the Hollywood producers have a ton of fodder nowadays or what?

Oh wait, they already did "Michael Clayton".  Duh..

"Honey, where the hell's the damn TV Guide, damn news is like a friggin re-run anymore?"

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:40 | 510797 downrodeo
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Whistleblower Death Syndrome (WDS): a disease that effects those who have recently become a thorn in the side of TPTB. WDS effects all age brackets, genders, races, and socio-economic classes, although multi-trillionaires rarely succumb to the disease. The symptoms include having recently disclosed unsettling information to the public that contradicts the establishment line, and death/dismemberment by means of bizarre accidents. These accidents are typified by leaps off of buildings with 3 digit story counts, certain automobile related fatalities, burglaries gone wrong, and suicides by hanging or wrist slitting, although there does not seem to be any limit to the range of possibilities. WDS is so dangerous that authorities will often seal the records of the autopsy report on the death for decades after the victim’s demise. Risk factors for contracting WDS are not well understood, although studies suggest that persons who are prone to investigating conspiracy theories may be at an elevated risk for contracting the disease.   

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:13 | 510927 rapunzel
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you be careful TD
watch your back or have someone. hope your home has ATD security for your wife and kids. maybe you need surveillence cameras. I have them, peace of mind
no murder she wrote
h e r e

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 19:42 | 511663 Arkadaba
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+ Like

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:52 | 510648 THE DORK OF CORK
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"Insulting" if he was taken out then it is a honour.

He did not go gently into the good night

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:55 | 510668 Internet Tough Guy
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The level of paranoia on this site is off the charts. How can you have a rational conversation about anything if every event is considered part of a grand conspiracy web, everyone is suspect, and no one tells the truth? Every thread now has these comments; 'those Korean fishermen were not fishermen!'.

I am a suspicious person, but some of you must be completely wrapped in tinfoil.

'He did not go gently into that good night'. What does that mean? Innuendo much?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:58 | 510684 Thomas
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You must be one of them! :-)

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:00 | 510692 Internet Tough Guy
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LOL, I was waiting for that. When I, a paranoid goldbug, am the voice of caution on a blog, you know things have gone too far.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:13 | 510724 THE DORK OF CORK
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Therefore you completly discount that possibility Tough Guy - grow up and get out of that linear thought framework.

It is a possibility.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:15 | 511064 VWbug
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anything is a possibility, but until there is even an ounce of evidence you'd be pretty foolish to assume a convoluted conspiracy theory for a commonplace event.

people do have heart attacks you know, and they do committ suicide.

Especially likely after one apparently has gone off the deep end.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:32 | 511268 Bring the Gold
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Remind us how the thought that this guy might have been suicided is convoluted? Seems pretty straightforward to me. I didn't see anything about martians or big foot or masonic killing of the king rituals. Folks are saying they gave the man a heart attack. Assassinations are as old as Babylon, and are especially common in elite power struggles. Do a little history reading for crying out loud.

Also after one has gone off the deep end? What the hell does that mean? Many of the things that Simmons said were spot on accurate. What's your agenda?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:43 | 511301 VWbug
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um  well like what would be the reason to kill him after his ideas were so widely disseminated?

I have not seen BP news on the front page for weeks, so now they want the notoriety back?

If you think his theories about the macondo leak were accurate I can see why you wouldn't recognize someone who has lost it, poor bugger.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:15 | 510728 Irwin Fletcher
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So you're not the least suspicious about the timing? I mean, BP plugs the well, and now their main critic (who's already shown them up by calling the spill's size) can't say something like "While BP would have you believe that the spill is contained, evidence suggests..." I think it's worth some healthy skepticism.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:34 | 510869 DocLogo
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He didn't look like the picture of health. In his interviews lately, his face was all red and blotchy...didn't look like he had the best circulation. If it was a heart attack, I buy it. Drowning, maybe I'll reserve some skepticism given his contribution to the peak oil movement.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:38 | 510963 rapunzel
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truly sorry for this man. and now his family, they will suffer the most to try to figure out WHY! i think quite possibly drowning while having a heart attack might B OK way to go.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:02 | 511026 Rebel
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I had thought he did not look healthy in some of those videos. He really put himself out there with some of the things he was saying, and he also was massively short on BP. I think a combination of losing a lot of money, being embarrassed by some of his claims not playing out, and the severing of relationships with the company he founded could easily combine to create stress that could cause a heart attack. 

I do not find the timing suspicious, as I see the stress events coming together all at once.

I am sure he had enemies over this, but that does not mean they killed him.

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 23:01 | 511939 VWbug
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so Simmons is the only person alive errr...  in the world able to question what BP is up to?

riiiiiiight

the black helicopters gonna 'suicide' all BP critics , or just the ones like simmons who have no credibility left?

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 23:01 | 511940 VWbug
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so Simmons is the only person alive able to question what BP is up to?

riiiiiiight

the black helicopters gonna 'suicide' all BP critics , or just the ones like simmons who have no credibility left?

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:41 | 510771 aheady
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There was a boat captain who shot himself back in June also. Remember that?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 21:00 | 511756 StychoKiller
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Your Tinfoil Beanie needs a chin strap there, bucko!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:03 | 510695 DaveyJones
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you're becoming pretty paranoid about this site. Did you take your Deprex this morning?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:04 | 510704 Sudden Debt
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We didn't say those fishermen were not fishermen... we thought it... but we didn't say it out loud...

Are you reading our brainwaves? ARE YOU SCANNING US?!! DO YOU!!!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:31 | 510756 Yardfarmer
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Do not go gentle into that good night, 
Old age should burn and rage at close of day; 
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right, 
Because their words had forked no lightning they 
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright 
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay, 
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight, 
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way, 
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight 
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay, 
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height, 
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray. 
Do not go gentle into that good night. 
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:54 | 510801 colonial
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not sure about the reference to MS, but an excellent poem none the less...better to read this than rumors

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:08 | 510824 Reductio ad Absurdum
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The poem is about fighting to the end. How is this difficult to understand??

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:31 | 510956 DaveyJones
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Dylan Thomas is a great Welsh analogy. A brilliant angry poet, dying young from stress and alcoholism.  

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:51 | 510791 knukles
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Conspiracy theories are only theories until there's a conspiracy.  Those Korean fishermen were not fishermen.  Not going gently means he went harshly, fiercely, violently or even roughly.  But certainly not calmly, benignly, passively, in a genteel manner, serenely, softly, relaxed or temperate.  Probably not compliantly, without difficulty, warm-heartedly, pleasantly, genially nor sagaciously.  More than likely not altruistically, affably, cordially, fraternally, nobly nor unselfishly.  But evidently, he did went, and in today's world, it's good enough for popcorn.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:13 | 511225 35Pete
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Your CIA case officer is calling you. Go away. 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:50 | 510790 tmosley
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Only when the deaths occur at convenient times against people ruining the credibility of rich and well connected people.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:51 | 510793 knukles
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Right.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:20 | 511242 35Pete
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+1

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:34 | 511278 Bring the Gold
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Yep. +10

However, I do think this guy's health was questionable. The timing is the big thing for me. We'll see what happens. Like I said this one is 50/50 for me. If more comes out I will take a look at the evidence presented. Dismissing either possibility out of hand is in my opinion rushing to judgement.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:43 | 510885 laughnow
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Spot on. No way this was natural causes. Whether he lost his shirt or not on the BP short he had the goods on them and he was killed for it.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:21 | 511082 VWbug
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so i guess all us readers of zh and TOD are about to be killed too, 'cause we know all about his theories too...

damn, wish I knew how to make ammo from gum wrappers, now I'm gonna pay for being an infidel!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:03 | 511187 Oh regional Indian
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Veedub, just in case you were serious, if you're not a little paranoid in this environment, you are probably missing an in-sight or two into reality.

Uber reality.

 

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:50 | 511317 VWbug
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uh are you really saying i am in danger because I watched some guy on TV say there was a bigger oil leak miles from the fake one that we were all watching? (and yada yada yada about lakes of oil, raining death etc)

Dunno how many people saw that, but must be millions.

Are we all targets now?  I mean, seriously?

Tue, 08/10/2010 - 02:40 | 512094 Oh regional Indian
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Seriously?

Yes we are. Not in some cheap, man behind the curtain sort of way though.

Bigger, deeper, older waves coming to crest together.

 

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:49 | 510990 Astute Investor
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Methinks thou dost protest too much.  Junk away true believers!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:32 | 510576 Paper CRUSHer
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BP successfully caps the well and Matt Simmons drops dead...WTF!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:53 | 510670 Mad Max
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The ultimate margin call?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:39 | 510753 Paper CRUSHer
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(Oil)Well yeah....which one?........

Massive Margin Call Causes Massive Heart Attack?

Assassination?

Pure Coincidence?

None of the above?

DISCLOSURE:No junks slapped on any of the comments on this thread.

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:24 | 510852 Mad Max
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To the junkers: I was simply making a tasteless joke (though not as tasteless as many here).

C'mon, people, I really can't see how Simmons would be nearly important enough for some shady interests to have him assassinated, especially now that the public has lost interest in the BP/Macondo oil spill.  This is far, far less suspicious than, say, the guy nearly run over in London after discussing PM markets manipulation, or Vince Foster, or some other Arkansas people to mysteriously come to premature ends in the 1990's.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:40 | 510880 Max Hunter
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'especially now that the public has lost interest in the BP/Macondo oil spill'

This is EXACTLY why i'm suspicious. All of a sudden the oil "disappears" and none to be found for clean-up.  The clean-up is what Simmons was saying would bankrupt BP. Now it's a non-issue (or so it would appear.)

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:01 | 511022 Lucky Guesst
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This is far, far less suspicious than, say, the entire Polish government being wiped out?

I gave up on conspiracy deaths a while ago. The scientists are all dying and the wealthy retire to Denver. I get it.

The last time I started complaining too loud a man contacted me and asked me if I knew any good militias to join. Of course I know nothing about militias and told him so. His next step was to send me a link to a militia and asked to meet me for lunch "to talk about having a tea party picnic at the park". He conveniently said he lived just outside my subdivision. I stood him up for lunch on Saturday March 27, this year. The exact same day the FBI raided a bunch of OH and MI militias. I think later it came out the people were set up and coerced. I'll never know if it was a coincidence or not but I did add some extra tinfoil to my hat, just in case!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:14 | 511059 downrodeo
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Smart move...

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:24 | 511089 Max Hunter
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First rule of of a militia.. Never Join One! Only start them.. if you were so inclined of course.

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:11 | 511385 Lucky Guesst
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......and Anna Nichole Smith is back in the news! All we need now is to find someone to accuse of saying the "N" word and the whitehouse can move forward and forget about this pesky oil situation! Robert Gibbs said its gone, now STFU or its dirt naps for us all!!!!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:31 | 510577 Grifter
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Also apparently being reported as a drowning:

http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=123586&catid=3

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:36 | 510590 Astute Investor
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The U.S. authorities will take a page out of the British playbook and classify the incident as simply "death by misadventure".

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:38 | 510604 Sudden Debt
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Oh! you're into details right?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:49 | 510651 Grifter
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I'm not sure I follow, SD.  Only reason why I didn't blockquote the article was that I figured Tyler would update the post with additional info as it became available.

FWIW - I'm not one of the 3 junkers.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:07 | 510706 Sudden Debt
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bummer... I was so sure of myself I would get to 4...

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:55 | 510676 SheepDog-One
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Drowning, heart attack, suicide with 20 stab wounds to his back, aw whats the difference NFL season for the dumbed down masses is upon us!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:49 | 510787 MayIMommaDogFac...
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..and strangely occurred while he was cleaning his gun.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:03 | 510817 Problem Is
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Gary Webb
1. Reported accurately and in detail on CIA drug smuggling into LA...
2. Previous books by Cockburn/St. Clair and Prof. Alfred McCoy corroborate and well document CIA illicit drug operations...
3. Webb discredited by a overt media campaign led by CIA shill WashPost...
4. Webb began independently writing a book expanding the evidence...
5. Webb commits suicide by shooting himself in the face...

Twice.

Just another conspiracy?
Simmons the Critic conveniently drowns so he can't keep pointing out leak volume in the Gulf?

Read ITGuy's History of Comments
The only conspiracy theory here is the propaganda ITGuy puts forward... Paid sock puppet disinformationist, eh tough guy?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:29 | 510862 Thoreau
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+1

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:15 | 510838 papaswamp
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Got that right..let the roman games begin!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:32 | 510579 Crispy
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bot in?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:32 | 510580 unwashedmass
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convenient.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:33 | 510581 Teaser
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I don't believe in coincidences.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:53 | 510667 goldfish1
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Who is tagging all these posts as junk? I don't put anything past these fukktards.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:13 | 510831 Problem Is
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Perhaps some day Tyler will look into the HFJ --
-- High Frequency Junking.
It is undoubtedly a handful of operatives, whether just obsessive compulsives or AIPAC paid sock puppets (look at any non pro Israeli comments on any post concerning Israel) who flag everything in sight that they do not agree with.

Most ZHers flag and then state "I flagged you because..."

The mass flagging by troll types needs to be investigated and those who flag indiscriminately need their privileges suspended.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:31 | 511108 VWbug
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I think the CIA is behind it

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:32 | 511112 WaterWings
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+1

We need a "Junkers of the week" post on Sundays. At least we got Tyler to stop deleting high-junk posts.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:54 | 510673 FrankIvy
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That's a coincidence - I don't either.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:32 | 510583 Irwin Fletcher
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That Andrew Maguire thing didn't go over well. They may have had to get more creative.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:35 | 510592 Guillermo
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I don't get the reference. What Andrew Maguire thing?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:42 | 510621 Janice
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Google is your friend.

Until they take a photo of you skinny dipping in your back yard pool.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:44 | 510635 DaveyJones
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and cut backdeals with Verizon

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:49 | 510650 Cognitive Dissonance
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LOL 

Ok, ok sorry. Bing is your friend.

My point was that the dude could conduct an Internet search. :>)

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:52 | 510665 DaveyJones
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oh wait, Microsoft planted the Verizon story.....

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:57 | 510683 JW n FL
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If he is crying about Google Earth... dont telll him about bing maps for fucks sake he will never shut the fuck up...

you dont want to see your wife skinny dipping ? what makes you think we want to see that fat, old hairy bitch?

The guy was nice enough to share information that could lead to your dumbass knowing your ass from a hole in the ground... I have my doubts, but good luck Cognitive with your new, new, new cross to bare.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:07 | 510709 Janice
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It takes one fat, old hairy bitch to recognize another.  So, how's life in the United States tar ball pit?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:33 | 510865 Problem Is
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CD... I got your point. In the vernacular of the day "google" means to search it, stupid...

Say yebol instead of Bing and you will avoid the anti-MSN junkers as well...

And Janice... The only tarballs I have right now are linux ones... but time will tell.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:51 | 510995 Cognitive Dissonance
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I've been on ZH for a year and this place is becoming very PC (as in politically correct) in an odd sort of way. Not mainstream PC but contrary PC. So using a commonly accepted phrase such as "Google" as a verb rattles some cages.

Some of it has to do with all the newbies around here that haven't been around long enough to know who the veteran posters are nor their writing styles. One needs to use <sarcasm> tags now when before it was usually understood.

And some of it is ideological. ZH was at one time a place to explore new or different ideas and quite a bit of slack was given to the posters as long as the poster was trying to be sincere and move the discussion along.

Now with a large population of trolls, professional and amateur alike, it's almost impossible to explore more than one side of an idea without getting junked and flamed. I'm not accusing the posters directly above me for this. Not at all.

But articles regarding Israel or BP/GOM or even Gold are junk fests now and not worth the time. What's disturbing is that ZH is essentially un-moderated. There have been a few times when I've tried to step is and say something was out-of-bounds, something the veterans did all the time just 6 months ago, and I'm jumped and accused as being egoic or out-of-bounds myself.

This place has outgrown the ability to function as it was originally intended without some minimal moderation to remove the really egregious trolls. Marla did it before but she has been AWOL since Feb.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:10 | 511047 Lucky Guesst
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I'm a newbie but I agree with you about the junking. I don't think it's being used the way it was intended. I wish ZH would do away with it all together and force the "junkers" to either disagree in a reply or get over it.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:10 | 511048 Rebel
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I have completely stopped reading any article here on Israel/middle east. It is impossible to have a meaningful discussion/debate, as it becomes extremely hateful. It is unfortunate that differing positions can not be discussed

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:17 | 511234 George the baby...
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Back in the day, this was an interesting place for both articles and comments, comments by people in the business and people in the know....Now there are so many fucktards lurking this sight it makes me sick.  The mindless masses have found ZH and feel a need to contribute.  

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:33 | 511272 aheady
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Agree.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:54 | 511297 Bring the Gold
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Mindless masses? Or paid disruptors? I'm fairly new but have read this site for a couple of years. I see co-ordinated disruption around key issues of corporate and various national interests. Cass Susstein anyone? Dis-info playbook? Yes, I believe idiocy contributes to this. However, how many idiots heads wouldn't  explode trying to decipher Tyler's jargon heavy posts on macro-economic/monetary policy? Fuck I can hardly follow it! I'm suffering from apparently incurable random bold texting disease I apologize.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:23 | 511411 Cognitive Dissonance
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I get your point and I agree that there are coordinated attacks on ZH.

BTW, ZH hasn't been around for a couple of years. It just celebrated one year here on it's own web site. It was on blogspot.com for about 6 months so ZH is about a year and a half young.

And the reason why Tyler's articles are hard to decipher is because this web site was, and still remains, a place for people in the business to get their info straight and not filtered by the mainstream media. And believe it or not, Tyler has toned it down quite a bit in deference to his more non-technical audience. Go back a year and read some of his stuff if you want your head to spin.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 18:28 | 511575 rapunzel
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i have been doing my homework on the tyler'S, let me tell you. i am still quite uneducated in regards to everything ZH. really, no more sense then when i started lurking and now look at me, new name, image and enlightenment. thanks cogg y. have you ever thought of changing your avatar. not sure what they represent, forks? it is really good to make identity changes in life. hard actually, you should know this from your shrink days. identity, H U G E  to the human ego. now that i am lying down on the couch for you. not being a bike racer was the hardest damn thing in my life to stop being.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 18:46 | 511599 Rebel
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Are you Velobabe?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 21:17 | 511787 abalone
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not anymore

Tue, 08/10/2010 - 07:32 | 512197 saulysw
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Rapunzel : I believe CD's avatar is the greek symbol PSI.

Rebel : I think you made a positive ID.

CD : I hear what you are saying.

Tue, 08/10/2010 - 16:57 | 513577 Bring the Gold
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my mistake on ZH's life span! I swore I was reading quotes on Jsmineset.com from two years ago. I stand corrected. Mistake on my part.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:48 | 511300 Paper CRUSHer
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George the baby...

I'm hoping i'm not one o'those F***Tards you speak of.If so i'll gladly hand in my resignation/membership.......... you'll never have to put up with all that trash talk'n.....no big deal............no regrets.......no hard feelings.

<SARCASM> OFF

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 17:21 | 511486 George the baby...
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Point being, this was a site where we were going to collectively expose the fraud and see the economic crash from the inside.  We helped each other position ourselves and make future predictions on market movements etc, etc.  It wasn't about flaming each other just because we had a difference of opinion.  When we start flaming and junking each other at the tail end of an obituary notice things are grim...So no Paper CRUSHer, I'm sure you're not a flaming, junking for no apparent reason f***tard.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 17:34 | 511501 PeterB
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You know things are getting out of hand when people like Miles, Miscreant, Deadhead, Cheeky & Chumba are no longer part of the greater contributors to the threads. Still got to love the full democratic landscape though.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 18:30 | 511579 rapunzel
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C H I N D I T   13

            gonnnnnne‡

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 21:26 | 511806 PeterB
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Yes, correct goldilocks & one of the wittiest (try W.S.B for cameos). Do you ever get the feeling that maybe there are other reincarnates who might be moonlighting under another alter ego when reading the occasional fleeting moment of writer brilliance. This site is an Internet naturalists paradise.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 22:41 | 511916 rapunzel
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Y E S   your wittiestness.

m o o n l i g h t i n g

big F E E L I N G S involved. not sure if they are fleeting.

like the word   f l e_e t , my style.

no brillance, babe, maybe you. i imitate.

Tue, 08/10/2010 - 02:21 | 512086 PeterB
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touche...great venus love god

I'll just creep back into the cyber fringes of Tylers giant sandpit

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:35 | 511121 WaterWings
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Agreed. Freedom of speech doesn't mean anyone gets to point a megaphone at your face - we need freedom from abuse as well.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:59 | 511345 Rebel
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Yes, and the tactic often used is when you do not have facts and data to support your position, you start attacking the person . . . name calling and so forth. I consider civil heated debate where you stick with defense of your position, as opposed to attacking the motives or intelligence of the other side.

My dad told me once if you fight with a pig, both of you get dirty, but the pig enjoys it. A civil person does not enjoy the name calling, and simply withdraws from the discussion. This leaves attacker with the last word.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 20:17 | 511706 harveywalbinger
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Do tell...  Of whom do you speak?  

 

:) 

Tue, 08/10/2010 - 08:56 | 512296 downrodeo
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Reference the logical fallacies when the trolls attack, don't accept sub-par thinking and argumentation:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:10 | 510826 downrodeo
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Hey man, leave Berlusconi alone. If you can't have a pool party with half nude models and media moguls on the tax-payers dime, what can you do?

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/05/berlusconi-naked-pictures_n_211787.html

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:58 | 511348 rapunzel
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damn, birthday suits.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:40 | 511291 doggings
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Google is your friend.

Until they take a photo of you skinny dipping in your back yard pool.

especially in Greece...

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:45 | 510636 Guillermo
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Oh, so Hope and Change is spreading Iraqi style Freedom in the US now?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:38 | 510609 Yardfarmer
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i believe the Maguires were in a serious car accident in London shortly after his testimony to the CFTC

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:11 | 511387 Bring the Gold
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The fact that you got junked for stating verifiable truth points to one thing. Paid disruption. Creepy stuff kids!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:39 | 510610 schoolsout
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Whistleblower on metals manipulation...

Hit and run occured shortly after he came forward, but he ended up living through it.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:43 | 510631 DaveyJones
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never trust to a hitandrun man what you can to a good dose of drugs

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:00 | 510691 JW n FL
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slap stick... warning, really.

or so I thought when reading it.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:42 | 510624 Yardfarmer
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idouble post

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:35 | 510586 taraxias
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Unfrigginbelievable.

Another one silenced once and for all.

We're way beyond the matrix now.......

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:56 | 510659 DaveyJones
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strike me down Darth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZYrGyO2O0g 

 

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:36 | 510591 fuu
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Playing for keeps.

 

Lead bitchez!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:37 | 510593 MGA_1
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Wow.....

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:37 | 510594 TuesdayBen
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Sorry to learn of this.

Man spoke his mind.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!