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Matt Simmons Has Died Of A Heart Attack

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CNBC notes the apparent cause of death of the recently popular BP skeptic, and founder of oil company Simmons & Co., was a heart attack. A conflicting report according to WLBZ cites the source of death as drowning.

NORTH HAVEN, Maine (NEWS CENTER) - The Knox County Sheriff's Department says Matthew Simmons, the founder of the Ocean Energy Institute, drowned at his house on North Haven late Sunday night.

Simmons was a leading investment banker for the energy industry and had recently retired to work full time on the new Ocean Energy Institute.

He was a leading proponent of offshore wind power and had started raising money to develop and build offshore turbines.

He and his family had also bought and rebuilt the Old Strand Theater in downtown Rockland.

 

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Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:41 | 510625 old_turk
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Sincere condolences to his family and friends.

Whatever the circumstance, someone has lost a husband, father and friend.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:02 | 510698 DosZap
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old,

Amen..............he has loved one's, and will be missed.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:36 | 510689 Cognitive Dissonance
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I first learned of Matt Simmons when I picked up his book "Twilight in the Desert" in 2007. Followed him ever since. He was respected in his industry and loved by his personal friends. He will be missed.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

http://www.amazon.com/Twilight-Desert-Coming-Saudi-Economy/dp/0471790184/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1281365749&sr=1-1

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 22:44 | 511919 Arkadaba
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+10

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:37 | 510595 unwashedmass
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obviously the B team in PR at the PPP is on the beat.....they failed to control the local Maine news.....Matt didn't die of a heart attack,

he drowned.

 

http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=123586&catid=3

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:38 | 510601 Won_Over
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Obviously, people here don't want to say what they are really thinking... Come on somebody, where're the balls... "Heart attack" is whose signature?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:40 | 510608 unwashedmass
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no heart attacck....he drowned, they forgot to threaten the local Maine news station...

shows what they think of the peasantry. as long as it is a heart attack in the times and on tv, the rest doesn't count.

http://www.wlbz2.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=123586&catid=3

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:42 | 510619 Cognitive Dissonance
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Come on somebody, where's the balls... "Heart attack" is whose signature?

Hamburgers? Hot dogs with chili? Chili cheese fries and a chocolate shake?

CIA? MI5/6? The Russians?

Hot apple pie with vanilla ice cream?

Hey, I'm trying man. Give me a hint.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:44 | 510634 old_turk
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Chicken fried steak and cream gravy.

Then go swimming without waiting 30 minutes.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:21 | 510735 Rusty Shorts
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 - no, it was New England Clam Chowder, in a light cream sauce, with Hardtack crackers...except, they switched the New England Clams to Gulf of Mexico Clams.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:39 | 511130 WaterWings
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The irony. I don't eat any species that has a counterpart in the Gulf now. Sad.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:55 | 510805 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Well played!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:50 | 510656 Won_Over
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You're right, it starts with a C......

Cholesterol .... Sorry for being vague...

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:55 | 510677 Cognitive Dissonance
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You mean a CIA induced Cholesterol heart attack while swimming? Extremely plausible, which is exactly the outcome desired when conducting targeted assassinations.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:18 | 511401 Won_Over
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Just like you I have been 'here' longer than the site itself, following Tyler since Seeking Alpha days, but I do get what you mean with this junking thing. Not that I care, not at all, but I think psychologically people think they have to just because a 'junk' button is there...

 

While rarely commenting I also do see that the level of comments has been going down, but CD, at the very least we should be happy on the wider partcipation and the eye-opening experience some are having... One commenter here means 10 of his friends listening about this stuff as well... Cannot have it all, but at least the quality of Tyler's work has not gone down, it has probably improved which is hard to do (having a great start). Thanks for your responses.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:43 | 510628 TheGunn
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Carl's Jr.?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:48 | 510647 unwashedmass
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we don't have that stuff here in Maine. we also don't have cops that would back off due to threats from some guy from Wall Street in a suit. if the sheriff retracts now, its going to be due to a call from somewhere in the heavens....

that's gonna be the real tell.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:51 | 510660 Cognitive Dissonance
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Agreed.

Everybody and anybody can be reached. That's how they roll. As long as we isolate in front of our TVs and computer monitors, we're all vulnerable to pressure and manipulation.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:25 | 510746 Max Hunter
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The incredulity achieved through conditioning is more than effective, quite a feat..

Although this could very well have been a "natural" death, to not look into the coincidences of who he was, and what he was saying, could only confirm the power of the ones he opposed.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:55 | 510679 DaveyJones
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a call from heaven...or the southern headquarters

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:05 | 510705 greyghost
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in and out...its what a burger is all about

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:59 | 510688 LoneStarHog
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Oooo...Oooo...I know...Clinton Fried Chicken Wings (Left Wings, Only)...Do I Win?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:37 | 510602 HuFwungDung
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First it was leading critics of WMD, then it continues to be leading biotech specialists, now its critics of oil. 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:44 | 511144 VWbug
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critics of fiat next! watch out!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:39 | 510605 dark pools of soros
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oxygen bitchezz!!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:38 | 510606 firstdivision
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I guess the authorities believe all people swim with concrete shoes on.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:39 | 510607 ShankyS
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Sounds like The well was not the only thing BP capped.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 20:15 | 511703 You Cant Handle...
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post o' the day

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:39 | 510611 TheGunn
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Got 5 on suicide.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:39 | 510612 Thorlyx
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oil, bitchez !

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:39 | 510613 Turd Ferguson
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Just in case he really did die tragically from a heart attack or drowning, I think we should all express some level of sadness and regret. 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:26 | 510855 downrodeo
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RIP Mr. Simmons. 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:17 | 511399 Bring the Gold
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Absolutely, it's easy to get sucked into the Geo-politics and economic warfare of it all. This guy was a real person and appeared to have the people's interests at heart. My condolences to the friends and family. 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 17:33 | 511500 still kicking
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agreed wholeheartedly.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:40 | 510614 truont
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Maybe a closer look is now warranted at Simmons's claims..

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:50 | 511159 VWbug
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I think he died in a lake of oil, right after a tsunami knocked him off his boat.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:41 | 510615 knightmare
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Get a pathologist from Russia to do the post mortem. I suppose he had a heart attack in his pool!!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:40 | 510616 KidHorn
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Maybe he had a heart attack while swimming and drowned.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:41 | 510618 the not so migh...
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Who believes in coincidences?  No such thing.   If we start seeing allot more then we know they(TPTB) are getting really desperate.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:42 | 510627 Pladizow
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That sucks, he was the only one I heard saying the opposite of BP & the "Free" press.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:44 | 510630 HEHEHE
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He was a great man.  Actually believed in some sort of honesty and disclosure which is rare for an insider.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:02 | 510818 CIABS
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HEHEHE: that's what i tended to think.  now i know.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:43 | 510633 jdrose1985
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Tragic...this guy was probably the only man I've ever seen besides Ron Paul who told the truth in front of national audiences.

Rest in peace.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:28 | 510859 ATTILA THE WIMP
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Peter Thiel is one of Ron Paul’s main advisors (read handler) and Mr. Thiel is a Bilderberger 

http://www.nndb.com/people/030/000124655/

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:43 | 511139 WaterWings
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There is more about that; all of Dr. Paul's masonic background. Lots of questions for him to answer. But I figure his message is pure and the ship is going down anyway. If we can at least get enough people to read his "Revolution: A Manifesto"/"End the Fed" books we would at least have some consensus for the reconstruction phase; communities passionate about Constitutional freedom.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:18 | 511403 Bring the Gold
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When employing the Hegelian Dialectic one needs to control the thesis AND the anti-thesis. It makes a controlled synthesis so much easier. I had always though Paul had some integrity, maybe I need to give him a closer look. I'd lose some friends over that one for sure, but truth is truth.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:48 | 510988 goldfish1
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Ron Paul dropped out of the race, was a namby pamby in the debates and downplays 911 truth. No thanks, looked good but upon closer inspection...nah.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:46 | 510639 Headbanger
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QuicK! Round up the usual suspects!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:58 | 510810 knukles
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Nevermind......

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:45 | 510640 Milestones
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The moving finger writes,

and having writ moves on.

Nor all your piety nor wit shall lure it back to cancel out half a line

Nor all your tears wash out a word of it.

 

Seems like maybe Mr. Simmons may and I say may have been--ah cancelled out?? Nah--that would be too, well obvious. But then our wealthy are not even trying to hide their looting of this country.--- And the beat goes on.  Milestones

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:46 | 510644 doomandbloom
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In June 2010, Ben Fulford in his blog had mentioned the following and i thought he was Bonkers!!

"The increasingly desperate gangsters known as the Bilderberg group, in a last minute effort to maintain their rule, last week ordered assassination teams to kill prominent truth seekers, including this reporter, according to CIA sources."

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2010/06/index.html

He also said that he had noticed an assassin outside his home.

Dammit...these conspiracy theories dont leave me alone...

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:03 | 510816 gmak
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Heh. Yeah, those assassins have really gotta stop wearing neon signs on their backs.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:52 | 511169 VWbug
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lol

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:22 | 511408 Bring the Gold
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While funny, it may be that Fulford is legit and still crazy. One can be both. All I know is he somehow got a one on one interview with David Rockefeller being almost completely off the media spectrum in and of itself lends him some cred. He either has the kind of backing he says he does, or he's an NWO double think mouthpiece. That he is involved in cloak and dagger stuff seems beyond doubt to me.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:46 | 510645 taraxias
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They'll spin the story as a suicide.

Something like Simmons was suffering from depression because of his WRONG assessment of the extend of the problem with the BP well leak that lead to his shorts blowing up on him and losing a fortune. Or something along those lines......

They just delivered another message, fall in line or else......

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:14 | 510725 DaveyJones
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nice clip. My favorite line: "until recently, half the world didn't use any oil"

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:26 | 510750 Rusty Shorts
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yeah, and before long, they will be right back to where they started, without oil, and the rest of the world will be joining them.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:16 | 510935 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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+1

In life Matt was one of the most credible men who were pushing the peak oil envelope.  He put himself out there with such a veracity that men like Cheney did not choose to ignore him, they chose to embrace him.  When men like Cheney, who push the status quo around like the backyard dog, embrace someone like Simmons, you know he was a force. 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 21:59 | 511853 kato
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cheney is a fucking rabid idiot.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:48 | 510653 jesus_quintana
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Poor man. RIP.

 

Nothing to see here people, move along, nothing to see here....

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:48 | 510654 JW n FL
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I am on a drowning theme... luv it or lump it...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33472579/

He and his wife ran the Jeffry M. & Barbara Picower Foundation a not-for-profit foundation with over $614 million assets under management. The foundation primarily focuses on education.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:51 | 510661 ModernDayYuppie
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Well this should fuel a BP rally...

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:53 | 510664 Guillermo
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He had a very promising project with wind power and ammonia liquid fuels in New England. He discussed it on Financial Sense Newshour a few times. I hope the project lives on.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:56 | 510678 petridish
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It's a sign of the times that the first thing I thought when I heard the news was the same as most of you--he was assassinated.

I wonder if there's really any difference between being willing to believe that someone took him out and it's really being true.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:18 | 510733 DaveyJones
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That's a damn good point. Just like the debate last week over Wikipedia being a front. We've sunk this low. Is it really that irrational to suspect assasination when it's now well known that the White House regularly assasinates folks who are much less of a political and "security" threat 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:46 | 511305 Lucky Guesst
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http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-6010

"To prohibit the extrajudicial killing of United States citizens, and for other purposes"

Define threat........

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:26 | 511420 Bring the Gold
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No, I would say it's irrational not to at least consider the idea. As to Wikipedia being a front, it may be open source, but Wikisource showed that a HUGE amount of edits come from Langley. Also when something that is a matter of public record like the 1953 Iranian Coup D'Etat is flagged as "Neutrality Disputed" when it's based on declassified documents tells me all I need to know about digitization aiding the old memory hole.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 18:08 | 511552 nmewn
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Ping.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 21:21 | 511789 Arkadaba
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But the fact that  it is an open source of information means that different groups (if they are organized) can and probably will try to set the tone wrt political arguments. Same thing may have happened with Digg (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/digg-conservatives-accused-censoring-liberal-stories-wiki-website/story?id=11341878).

I am a huge proponent of the open source movement whether it involve ideas or software. My ideal of open source, however. involves the contribution of individuals to a wider community - not a group pushing through an agenda. I think this will be a thorny issue for both Wikipedia and Digg - but may be not impossible to solve - no ideas yet - thinking ;) 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:55 | 510680 Edward G. Rendell
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A small nuclear bomb was dropped in his aorta.  The Russian doctors said it was a good idea. 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:34 | 510961 Edward G. Rendell
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Junk me? Why I oughta...! 

The guy was spreading misinformation about the "real plume" someplace else and demanding the government take over and drop a nuclear bomb down the hole. 

Whatta buncha maroons! 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:56 | 510681 TomB
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I'm not sure what to think of this Simmons guy. He had some credibility due to his past work, but a lot of the things he said about the BP disaster turned out to be completely bogus.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 17:30 | 511493 thesapein
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You must live in BP wonderland.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 10:58 | 510687 Lax Accounting
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His ideas about the Gulf Oil Spill were nonsense. Why would you need to silence someone with moonbat theories? I mean he thought: BP was going to go bankrupt from this, a nuke was the only way to stop this, 120MBPOD leak elsewhere, and that the Gulf states need to be evacuated. Really?

People just look to him as an authority in oil and gas (because of his book) regardless if his ideas make sense or not. He was just another sensationalist trying to play on people's fears and ignorance. Whether you like it or not that is the truth.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:02 | 510697 LoneStarHog
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You can disagree with the man's OPINION in a respectful way...Take your Karl Denningeresq crap back to his shithole.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:36 | 510761 Internet Tough Guy
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If his claims were true, killing Simmons wouldn't change anything. There would still be a big leak out there right?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:49 | 510783 Weimar Ben Bernanke
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Internet Tough Guy even though i dissagree with you when it comes to Mideast Policy,and Iran. I agree with you about Simmons. He made bogus claims and kept changing them. Not even Alex Jones believed matt Simmons so that goes to show what credibilty he had. I feel sorry for his family and regret their lost but you must look at the lies he maid up. Some of you compare him to Ron Paul which is almost blaspehmy. Ron Paul tells facts about economy,he does not try to stoke fear. Ron Paul had crediblity not Matt Simmons. I researched his claims and found of all backward.But many people who agreed with him have no knowledege in the oil industry.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:07 | 510707 Temedar
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You'll get junked a lot by conspiracy lunatics for posts like this

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:12 | 510720 Lax Accounting
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Yea I figured. The bottom line is he was engaged in sensational fear mongering. 99% of America couldn't tell you the first thing about the oil industry. He exploited that lack of knowledge and general fear about the situation. In this situation, people flock to the "authority" figure.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:30 | 510752 DaveyJones
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Is Peak Oil fear mongering? Is the War on Terror? How about the bailouts?

I've always preferred private mongering over public

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:20 | 510938 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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No.  Yes.  Yes.

Peak oil is real, as petrolium is a finite resource and there is no alternative with a high enough EROEI to sustain the current system.  The war on Terror is straight from '84, and the bailouts were to realocate funds.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:38 | 510968 DaveyJones
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you get two stars and get to clap the erasers

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:49 | 510989 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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But I don't want to clap the erasers....I will take the stars.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:55 | 511004 -273
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Well said Hendrix.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:45 | 511455 Bring the Gold
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Clear concise and with the best fucking avatar available to humankind.

 

You get two snaps up in the Z formation!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF9LZ4mnlmU

 

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 20:38 | 511731 harveywalbinger
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Yes.  Yes.  No?

The way some folks write about the "peak oil" theory, I almost expect to see "the science is settled" somewhere in the same presumptions.  

The science is NOT settled.  

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHMZ_enUS321US333&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=abiotic+oil

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:43 | 511450 Bring the Gold
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I agree that his Nuke option idea was outrageous. However, his statement of a second leak was confirmed was it not? I agree that some of his ideas were incorrect. Some may yet be proven correct such as the cleanup bankrupting BP. Of course without someone to keep the pressure on BP, they may get away with their crime once the interest dies down. 

http://www.businessinsider.com/confirmed-there-is-a-second-leaking-rig-near-the-deepwater-2010-6

http://www.examiner.com/x-6681-New-Orleans-Headlines-Examiner~y2010m6d8-Second-oil-leak-reported-in-the-Gulf-of-Mexico-from-Ocean-Saratoga-rig

 

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:01 | 510694 Quinvarius
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This would not even be news if everyone didn't think it was suspicious.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:35 | 510872 downrodeo
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It wouldn't have been news if nobody had ever heard of him. Fewer people would have heard about him had he not been so outspoken in the public domain after the BP catastrophe. People think this is suspicious because he was an outspoken critic of the BP corporation, there were two different causes of death reported, and we are aware of the fact that it is possible to kill a person and make it look like an accident. That is why people are suspicious, which by your logic, is why it is news.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 17:37 | 511505 thesapein
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Well, when you put it that way, only a tv zombie wouldn't be suspicious. It's doesn't take an Einstein or Sherlock to suspect something might be up when a whistleblower is suicided. 

Tue, 08/10/2010 - 09:00 | 512305 downrodeo
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Exactly. It gets to me when people are so excited to confuse cause and effect.

"I wish my shadow wasn't making it so sunny!"

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:01 | 510699 The_Euro_Sucks
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Reminds me of the death of Wim Duisenberg designer of the Euro and first head of the ECB. Hartattack and drowned in his pool as well. Back then they had a hard time getting a coherent story out.  

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:12 | 510830 Lord Blankcheck
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a jacuzzi is not a pool

Anybodys heart will give out.

if one sits in a jacuzzi  at max heat, just a matter of time.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:04 | 510911 GoinFawr
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Hey, that sounds like a metaphor for the US middle class since 1913. A 'Multi-Generational Jacuzzi'. It's getting pretty close to the 'boil' setting these days.

Regardless if the circumstances of his death, my condolences to Mr. Simmons' family and friends.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 18:34 | 511390 rapunzel
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¿

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:59 | 511180 VWbug
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Back then they had a hard time getting a coherent story out.

 

 

yah, because heart attacks in middle aged men are so damn hard to explain

  

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:04 | 510700 Zina
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In fact, he committed suicide with 12 shots on his back.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:07 | 510710 Uncle Remus
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We haven't heard the last of this or the BP clusterfuck in the GoM.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:35 | 510760 MsCreant
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Bingo!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:42 | 510773 aheady
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Double bingo!

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:46 | 510781 Pegasus Muse
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What happened to that lake of heavy oil at the bottom of the GOM, some 400 foot thick, covering the equivalent of several states.  Did the mess just disappear?  Where is the independent uncorruptible confirmation the leak is sealed, that there are no other leaks out there still gushing, etc.? 

No, I don't trust the gubbermint.  They have been in bed with BP from the gitgo.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:27 | 510860 Uncle Remus
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Enquiring minds and all that...

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:59 | 511352 RichardP
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Hope Floats.  So does oil.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:35 | 511433 MsCreant
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Unless you spray it with a poisonous dispersant. Then maybe it lurks at the bottom of the GOM for a while. If long enough, when it finally does surface, it can be denied.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 17:41 | 511510 Bring the Gold
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Indeed, Corexit, not an accident and if they get away with it, definitely not a mistake.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 17:44 | 511517 thesapein
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Uhm, yeah, can we have the magic stuff that can pull this oil back together so we can clean this mess up?

Dispersants are another name for delivery systems and only help get the toxins past the body's defenses. Same goes for marine life who now have to deal with oil being absorbed into their bodies. This is exactly how to make a little poison go a long way.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:10 | 510712 petridish
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Just watched the movie Collateral.

Tom Cruise shoots a guy who then falls out a second story window.

Jamie Foxx says, "You killed him."

Tom Cruise says, "No, I shot him.  It was the bullet and the fall that killed him."

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:01 | 511184 VWbug
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thanks, that's enough to let me know not to rent that one

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 20:44 | 511736 harveywalbinger
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Had me at Tom Cruise...  

(convinced not to rent it that is)

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:11 | 510713 DarkMath
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This is so sad......

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 17:52 | 511524 thesapein
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I feel like I've been mourning all day.

This is a huge loss.

I don't know about others, but it makes me less afraid, oddly, and more willing to risk my own life.

 

New motto:

If no one is trying to kill me, then I'm not doing something right.

 

Back to the drawing board...

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:10 | 510715 Bill Lumbergh
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Oddly enough I was pondering the other day his possible thoughts on the vanishing oil in the Gulf of Mexico.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:21 | 510717 A_MacLaren
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Can CNBC ever report anything correctly?  

Fact check.  Fact check.  Fact check.  Journalism 101.

Oh, wait, CNBC and journalism are a non-sequitur. 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:11 | 510719 AssFire
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George Washington was getting his info from Richard Simmons, so this won't affect the stupidity of his BP stories. According to Simmons, it will cost $20 to oil a thigh in two years.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:12 | 510721 Robert J Moran
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Mr. Simmons DID understand the connection between energy and money.  The declining oil production (peak oil) does have a negative correlation to a debt based, fiat money system... My tin foil hat remains on the shelf with the tragic news of his death.  A good and loud 'whistleblower' has left us... 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 18:15 | 511559 thesapein
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The petro-dollar replaced the gold-backed dollar after gold prices started to skyrocket 40 years ago. Then, two years ago, oil prices began doing the same. So, yeah, fiat money tends to have a negative correlation to anything real unless you're Santa Oz.

Honesty seems to have a negative correlation with life expectancy these days.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:15 | 510727 Lndmvr
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Did they sample for corexit in the pool water ?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:18 | 510732 QQQBall
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I'll put on my tin foil hat.

 

1 - The leak is plugged, BP news is now on Page 16, etc., so this is the perfect time to silence the opposition. Look for rogue reports of a second leak & environmental disaster that the press will ignore. Look for increasingly positive press that BP did all that they could, they acted responsibly and should be allowed to drill again in GOM, if for no other reason to be able to pay off the claims and restart divvy payments to the Scottish Widows and Orphans.

 

2. Who will nw oppose BP's resubmission for a drilling permit?  Some bayou crabbers?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:21 | 510739 HedgingInfinite...
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I have to admit, I didn't see this end to the Matt Simmons story coming.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:22 | 510741 unwashedmass
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me neither as the story about capping the well and the dissipation of the oil is getting so much uncritical play in the mainstream. guess they took him out before someone got to him and found out what's really going on....

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:10 | 511218 VWbug
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 before someone got to him and found out what's really going on....

yah, because he had no media exposure at all and no one really knows what his opinions were

/sarcasm  just in case...

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:23 | 510742 unwashedmass
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me neither as the story about capping the well and the dissipation of the oil is getting so much uncritical play in the mainstream. guess they took him out before someone got to him and found out what's really going on....

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:03 | 511362 RichardP
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Some of us thought that his wilder statements indicated that he might not be in good health.  When I saw the headline, I was not surprised.  Condolences to the family.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 18:28 | 511577 thesapein
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Some of us were empathetic because of the amount of stress involved in taking on an entire population of zombies and corrupt leaders. I was concerned that Simmons was already being drugged since that's a typical way to put your enemies into mental institutions. That he was suicided, instead, is a big surprise. He must had pissed someone off or was about to expose something big.

As for his "wilder statements," according to your reasoning, I'm about to die from poor health, also. Since nothing he said was crazy to me, I'm must be on my deathbed. 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:23 | 510740 virgilcaine
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Wonder if he was buying all the BP shrs he could with his whaked out nuke the well talk?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:25 | 510745 10044
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Bravo big brother; you've done it again u fcking luceferain sheister

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:34 | 510759 tamboo
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well gee the guy said we still got a huge problem with these other leaks that bp can't acknowledge for legal reasons and then he up and buys the farm, nothing suspicious at all. now the russkies say guess what you still got a huge problem on your hands.

 

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/27-07-2010/114394-bp_russia-0

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:06 | 511198 Quantum Future
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This was debunked - See link below.

http://zdeaconblue.wordpress.com/2010/06/26/anatoly-sagalevitch-comments-on-bp-oil-crisis-in-the-gulf-of-mexico/

Short quote:

It took me three days of searching but finally I was able to get in contact with Dr. Sagalevitch and as him the very basic question, is this story true?  Dr. Sagalevitch’s response was very prompt and he told me he had not been to the Gulf of Mexico, in fact he was on vacation when the accident occurred and that he couldn’t have possibly surveyed the seafloor of the gulf as his submersibles, the Mir1 and Mir2 are actually deployed in Lake Baikal.  So the definitive answer to my post and the rumor flying around the internet is that no, Dr. Sagalevitch has not reported seeing dozens of cracks on the seafloor of the Gulf of Mexico leaking oil.

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 19:40 | 511661 majia
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I wonder if the person whose blog is quoted here speaks Russian. I also wonder why Pravda would report falsely about Dr. Sagalevitch's comments. Academics tend to get rather irate when false statements are attributed to them in the press (I know--I'm an academic).

I'm not implying that I believe everything Simmons said was true, or that I thought that nuking the well was a good idea.

However, BP is lying about the condition of the ocean floor. The government's own data show lots of significant methane seeps. The 2 largest seeps were at the riser pipe and immediately southwest of it. Check out the last 2 pages of the report here:

http://ecowatch.ncddc.noaa.gov/JAG/reports.html

I also tracked the grouping of boats at the Deepwater site using the online marine tracking system around the time immediately before and after the tropical storm Bonnie. The grouping of boats in the days prior to, and immediately after, tropical storm Bonnie mapped directly onto the two main methane seeps.
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?zoom=10&mmsi=636014465&centerx=-88.23762&centery=28.56287#

Most recently I've seen what are claimed to be copies of BP's drilling licenses for 2 distinct wells.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oaf998FwQVI

I don't know if these drilling records are authentic, but what I find disturbing is that the proposed drill sites in these records map directly onto the 2 main methane leaks and the marine groupings I observed previously. The locations match.

BP is chopping up dead sea mammals while at sea in order to avoid paying fines, according to the article "The Poisoning" reported at The Rolling Stone magazine. Contaminated sand on public beaches is simply being covered up with clean sand (until contaminated with the next high tide).

Quite a few marine biologists and toxicologists have come out publicly, including an EPA whistle blower (Hugh Kaufman), with their concerns about the millions of gallons of toxic corexit used in the Gulf. The use of corexit, sprayed underwater and by planes, explains the "dispersion" of oil and its lack of overt visibility.

BP has lied. The government has lied (about the safety of corexit). I'm more inclined to believe there are elements of truth to Matt Simmons' stories than the proven falsehoods of government agencies and BP.

Simmons untimely death reminds me of the recent car attack against the whistle blower, McGuire, in the U.K....

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 23:24 | 511962 VWbug
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I also wonder why Pravda would report falsely 

so you are a conspiracy theorist but you think Pravda, of all media sources in the world,  is to be believed...ok.....

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:44 | 510774 MsCreant
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I just told my husband, as he was on his way to work, "Matt Simmons died. Conflicting reports. One says heart attack, one says he drowned in his pool." The only thing my husband said (a man who does not spend as much time on the economy as we do) was, "I hope he wasn't murdered."

I am not saying it was murder but a poster up above made a good point. It is a sign of the times that so many of us have this thought as the first thing that passes through our mind on hearing the news.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:44 | 510778 Guillermo
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Same same. I told my wife and she said "those fuckers".

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:46 | 510780 MsCreant
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Tyler be careful, please. We won't even get a report if you get "capped."

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:25 | 510853 Cognitive Dissonance
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I agree. Tyler must be considered a huge thorn in the side of TPTB.

On the lighter side, it's my understanding that Tyler uses Marla as his official food taster and pool water guinea pig. If Marla doesn't expire within 10 minutes of entering the water, Tyler jumps in after pulling on his water wings.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:57 | 510900 Frank Owen
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it's my understanding that Tyler uses Marla as his official food taster

Hah - I bet its the other way around. :)

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 14:46 | 511150 WaterWings
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All I ever wanted was to be helpful. :-)

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 15:49 | 511311 Cognitive Dissonance
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I thought of you when I wrote my comment and considered using Capital W's. But I didn't know if you would show up. And to explain why I capitalized would defeat the purpose of the pun.

Now you go and show up and I regret not following through with the pun. Damn, what's that they say about following your gut? :>)

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 16:57 | 511465 WaterWings
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Well and there's me trying to make myself look important. ;-)

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 20:52 | 511741 harveywalbinger
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You two should get a room :)

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 12:12 | 510833 CIABS
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MsCreant: what is different about these times is that so many people now have this thought first.  what is not different is the frequency with which people like simmons are silenced.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 17:52 | 511526 Bring the Gold
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Absofreakinglutely. Assassinations are as old as Babylon, especially in power elite struggles. The internets is what is new. Now the proles are learning how the big boys do business. Kinda ruins that whole "Enlightenment = end of elite mishcief" Meme doesn't it. :D

Tue, 08/10/2010 - 00:10 | 512012 CIABS
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BtG: the internet and the behavior of gwbush and cheney are what changed things.  and as the internet grows and improves, the mainstream media moves correspondingly farther away from the truth.  they were never too close to it, but in relative terms, the internet pushes them farther away from it.  it's like an equal and opposite reaction.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:48 | 510786 Gimp
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At least they did not use the " suicide, two gun shots to the head" story.

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:50 | 510789 Pinefox
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Hey, STRESS can kill you.  His picture is not one of a healthy man. 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 13:05 | 510913 Max Hunter
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OK.. well.. I hope someone is smart enough to interview his doctor. Maybe we could get some insight as to his "condition".

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:53 | 510798 unemployed
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 Rubicon versus reality?   Member of Council on Foreign Relations takes on BP and then dies?

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 11:52 | 510800 Gordon Freeman
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At least we won't have to listen to any more self-serving hyperventilating about how all the oil in the known universe is going to flow out of a little hole in the GOM...

 

Mon, 08/09/2010 - 17:53 | 511528 Bring the Gold
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Regardless of what you thought of Simmons show some fucking class.

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