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Matt Simmons Tells Bloomberg Only Way To Contain Oil Leak Is With Small Nuclear Bombs, "Top Kill" Is Just A Distraction

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In his May 28th interview with Bloomberg's Mark Crumpton and Lori Rothman, Matt Simmons of energy investment bank Simmons & Company, provides some stunning revelations on what is really occurring in the Gulf of Mexico, and proposes that the only effective way to contain the leak is to relieve BP, bring in the military, and do what the Russians have done on comparable occasions, namely explode nuclear weapons within the wellbore. Simmons knows what he is talking about. As Jim Bianco points out: "Matt Simmons gained fame with his book 2005 Twilight in the Desert where he claimed that the Saudis were overstating their oil output because they hit “peak oil.” Right or wrong Simmons claimed the price of oil was going to skyrocket and three years after the book’s release the crude oil hit $147/Barrel. In January 2009 the WSJ called Simmons one of the five most important voices in the oil industry. Simmons has been wrong in the past and his views are non-conventional and often correct.  Simmons is also highly connected within the oil industry so he knows who to talk to verify his claims." In addition to his radical solution, Simmons also points out that "Top Kill" is a sideshow and the real problem is 5 to 7 miles away, where a second fissure is "releasing a plume the size of Delaware and Maryland combined." If Simmons is indeed right, and the only recourse left to Obama is to nuke the seabed, the repercussions for his already shaky political situation will be tremendous.

h/t Jim Bianco and The Intel Hub


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Sat, 05/29/2010 - 12:45 | 381107 SecretGoldfish
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i still have to think relief wells are far preferable to nuking the seabed back to the stoneage.



Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:18 | 381151 Rogerwilco
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"nuking the seabed back to the stoneage."

A little dramatic, aren't we? The explosion would be underground - the goal is to collapse the bore hole on itself. Kilotons, not megatons.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 15:26 | 381308 derp
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Depending on where they place the bomb it actually could work quite well. Attempts were made to nuke gas wells in the 60s in order to try and crack the production zones and speed recovery. Gas Buggy in NM was one attempt. The gas was too radioactive to sell. I think other attempts were made and the heat from the blast was so hot that it turned the permeable rock into impermeable glass, doh! I think in this case thats what they would hope for. If not, the well will produce even more due to the fractures induced from the blast with the possibility being that the oil would be radioactive. I don't think BP even knows what the integrety of the well bore is. I'm pretty sure there is mangaled casing and pipe that wouldn't allow them to place a nuke very far down. This is become a very dire situation, extremely saddening. 

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 15:32 | 381313 ZerOhead
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To nuke or not to nuke... that is the question. Still way too early to default to a tactical nuke which really is the 'last resort' (and one I hope they don't check into!).... and I see you understand the risks... good doggy!

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 16:06 | 381348 derp
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dogs and cats getting along... zerohedge transcending boundaries

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 16:27 | 381353 knukles
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Right Arm, Farm Out and Outta State.  
Nuke the Whales, dude.

Everything else is coming unglued; it's like doobie time at the funnyfarm without the Thorazine and Ativan. 

Here's the real question; with this greasy mess in the spot light, what other crap are they sliding past us? 
Quick, A Distraction Men!  Leverage the Panic!

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 17:54 | 381443 Cognitive Dissonance
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Now we have someone thinking on their feet. The first rule of insanity is to leverage the crisis to your advantage since you don't care about the consequences of the crisis. It is abundantly clear, and if it isn't it should be, that the madmen are running the show here on earth.

These are the people who leverage the financial system to self destruction to leverage even more out of the system. These are people who use 6 levels of deception to hide the fact that they're taking working on the 7th level. Our disadvantage is that we don't think like them nor do we wish to think like them. So we don't even consider certain lines of thought because in our minds it is "impossible."

Let's start considering the impossible as possible and we might have a fighting chance. 10 years ago would you have considered everything that has happened over the past 2 years to be possible? Sure maybe some, but all that has happened? And yet now we are still considering things to be impossible? Epic fail on our part. 

The eyes of the world are on the Gulf. Where would they be if the Gulf wasn't in play?


Sat, 05/29/2010 - 18:25 | 381471 what about my dog
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Dear CD,  I kind of have a little crush on you:)

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:01 | 381507 knukles
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I'm sure you 've had the same experiences, CD.  Over the last 2 to 10 years, put forth a well researched, internally consistent thesis incorporating some element of somebody or bodies, very powerful, somewhere, doing something effectively illegal, manifestly large and despicably malicious for immense personal gain, the cost of which is borne by the general public and endorsed by the law givers and their monied benefactors.  Suggest further that in many cases those malicious bodies shall never fell the steel of handcuff or the shame of the perp walk, and our fellows simply shrug, accepting it as the normal course of business.

How may times has that thesis found deaf ears, skepticism, even retorts of conspiracy theorist, nut job and tin foil hat man, yet only within months, the result proving itself true?  And strangely, no bizarrely interestingly, simply accepted by the same who'd called us out as just now, seemingly acceptable.  Repeat, time and time again as the transgressions, nay, the sins multiply in magnitude, visibility and audacity. 

The Magna Carta has been shredded, rights abridged, society raped and the public treasury pilfered by the law givers and their financial benefactors, whilst the general public's consensus opinion remains riveted, as directed by a captive media (aka propaganda in other settings) upon the polemics of matters rather than fundamental philosophical substance.  Nobody accepts blame or even shame as the very moral, ethical and intellectual fibre of society has been institutionally, discarded.   

Epic fail, indeed.  Epic fail of not our fathers or our forefathers, but ourselves, our very own generation.  Indeed as one of the most famous philosophers of our time, Pogo once said; "We have met the enemy, and it is us."

And what we have created, is our own demise.  What shall we all do when the rest quit pretending all is sustainable, in equilibria?  As we are led into the future by clinical sociopaths.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:28 | 381558 mmlevine
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Outstanding commentary.  Kudos.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:52 | 381589 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Epic fail, indeed.  Epic fail of not our fathers or our forefathers, but ourselves, our very own generation.  Indeed as one of the most famous philosophers of our time, Pogo once said; "We have met the enemy, and it is us."

Beginning Tuesday morning I'm going to begin publishing a 5 part series here on ZH discussing this subject in great depth. Just polishing parts 4 and 5 now. I wanted to complete it before I started publishing so I can devote my time to the comments that I'm sure will be left.

It haven't decided if I'll publish a section each day or every other day. They will be long reads, of around 6,000 words each. Based upon your comments I suspect you will enjoy it. This will not be a blame the victim diatribe. But we can't point fingers elsewhere without examining ourselves. And I'm just as involved in this as others so this won't be blaming others.

The working title has now been set.

"Welcome to the Insane Asylum - Our Collective Psychosis"

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:59 | 381646 tip e. canoe
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my 2 pieces o'eight : 3 is a magic number.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 21:54 | 381714 Cognitive Dissonance
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You're welcome to stop reading anywhere you wish. But don't let the title lull you into thinking this will be overkill on a narrow subject. This will be a wide ranging discussion into many areas of thought most people simply don't contemplate, to the determinant of us all. But then again, most of my articles are exactly that. I think most will enjoy it based upon the feedback I've received from my test subjects, who have all survived to this point. ;)

I personally think it's about time we not only think outside the box (a tired old phrase that really means you move from a size 2 box to a size 3 box when you could actually go as high as a size 50 box) to completely off the reservation. After all, if we really are all insane, than who can determine what is sane or insane and thus inside or outside the box?

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 22:44 | 381754 RabidLemming
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I look forward to your missive but here you are preaching to the chior.  It is the sheep with their big screens, bottled water, sports teams that we need to speak too.  We, unfortunately do not have the resources to save the world. 

bullets, beans and bandaids...

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 08:44 | 382052 tip e. canoe
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cog dis, sorry to be so abtuse before, but what i meant was maybe 3 days btw chapters.   takes that long for a healthy psychotic conversation to simmer, yes?   but thanks for the offer to jump in & out of the pool at my leisure.   me likes freedom.

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 17:39 | 382596 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Oh, I see" said the blind man.

I don't think you were being obtuse. I just didn't reread what I wrote and what you were responding to. If I had, your answer would have been obvious.


Sun, 05/30/2010 - 09:55 | 382088 DaveyJones
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think outside the box before we end up in one

looking forward to that kind of thinking

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 22:51 | 381762 Almost Solvent
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Us under 30 generation were screwed before we were even born.

Same goes for the unborn generation.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 23:05 | 381780 nuinut
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Those who can think for themselves have always, and will always, create their own reality.

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 01:22 | 381891 derp
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or rely on others to create if for them

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 01:18 | 381887 kimyo
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maybe you should go by 'almost soylent'.

Tue, 06/01/2010 - 08:58 | 386203 Willzyx
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The world was spiraling out of control long before anyone under 30 even had a chance to make a difference.  If there is one thing about this crisis that reassures me, it is the thought that when all is said and done, I am convinced it will be someone(s) from this age group that lead us out of the darkness and into a better life.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 23:31 | 381811 Z
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Once a week.

We'll need one day to read it a dozen or so times.

Then read it everyday thereafter again so it can sink in + comments.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 23:58 | 381831 bc0203
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May I suggest CD that you release each new post as the discussion on the prior one fade out?  Who knows, some of the responses from fellow "crazies in this asylum" might just inspire edits as you go along...

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 04:05 | 381963 w a l k - a w a y
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I agree. With readers all over the globe (Philippines here) it takes time for everyone to have time to read, and possibly comment while the comments are still active and the article appears in the first one or two pages of the blog.

I've left one or two comments which were near or at the end -- and the thought then arises, 'why bother, nobody is going to read it'.

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 07:04 | 382013 Cognitive Dissonance
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That's always a problem and one I find frustrating. Things go stales very quickly here on ZH, where 12 hours is old and 24 hours is dead as a door nail. ZH Attention Deficit Disorder

I will be adding the links to prior series articles to the next (parts 1 and 2 links will be a part of 3 etc) so there will be some cross reference for people to go back. This might encourage people to go back and check for older comments.

I suspect many will print them out and read them while on the throne. A few will even use the articles while there. :>)

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 10:54 | 382149 Z
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The interlinking of parts is a good idea.

The thing is the current ZH design/format does not lend (no pun intended) itself fully to its objective(s)

But I can't advise on Drupal. Wordpress is my forté.

Wordpress 3 is to be released. Might be worth a look.

(I've been researching website development over the years in order to launch a few hundred websites in 2011)

Tue, 06/01/2010 - 09:01 | 386212 Willzyx
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It is very difficult to reference articles even a day or two old.  A "back issues" section, organized by date, week, month could be helpful.  The only reference section is the glossary, which uses the tags.  Or tracking one's comments.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:04 | 381600 Apostate
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Do understand, however, that you're fighting against years of propaganda training.

It's like trying to get someone to quit heroin cold-turkey in a society full of junkies. It takes a lot of effort.

Imagine if ZH ran some commercials on cable... you could probably buy up some late night timeslots on the cheap.

That's actually a pretty good idea... :P

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:56 | 381655 tip e. canoe
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hell, goto manhattan neighborhood network and get late nite airtime for free baby free.  and oui oui, tis a wicked idea.  imagine homies flippin the channels late nite and stumblin on 100 trillion dollar pyramid after gettin a mad buzz on in the club?  


Sun, 05/30/2010 - 04:14 | 381967 w a l k - a w a y
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Whatever happened to this idea?


by CD
on Thu, 05/06/2010 - 10:42


From your lips to the ears of millions... Now if it weren't so difficult to explain in bite-sized, digestible yet amusing and funny 30-60 second bits... We need (truly) viral videos on Monetary Structure 101. Utter nonsense like the stuff below draws plenty of eyeballs: (avg. 96K views / day) (avg. 263K views /day)

Like I said earlier, I should stop trying to hope... But what if (assuming everyone actually watched these clips in full each time) those ~300K man-hours had been used for some creative, meaningful activity?

It takes a bit of spend on the creative, very sharp writer(s) and/or (pseudo)celebrity endorsement. Then incubationary exposure in MSM, followed/accompanied by dedicated seeding of links to the video (the few hundred thousand ZH readers would do a swell job) - and presto.

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 12:35 | 382269 CD
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I got no takers to collaborate. The idea still stands, but I've been busy enabling some greedy, dirty corporate clients try to get away with the old "who are you going to believe, me or your own two lying eyes?" bit. While I am getting a bit sick of it, I do need the revenue. But if anyone is interested/able to participate, I am more than happy to help.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:05 | 381601 Dapper Dan
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"How may times has that thesis found deaf ears, skepticism, even retorts of conspiracy theorist, nut job and tin foil hat man, yet only within months, the result proving itself true?  And strangely, no bizarrely interestingly, simply accepted by the same who'd called us out as just now, seemingly acceptable.  Repeat, time and time again as the transgressions, nay, the sins multiply in magnitude, visibility and audacity".


This shit is going to be printed and put on the front of the refrigerator.

"Bizarrely interestingly"  say that 5 times.

Good work Knukles.


Sun, 05/30/2010 - 01:26 | 381895 Dapper Dan
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*UPDATE*  I apparently signed a prenup years ago that has been recently brought to my attention.   In summation... I am not allowed to pin up certain articles down loaded from the Internet on the refrigerator with out prior approval. 


Will get back to you later. D.D.

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 11:27 | 382185 JW n FL
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"Kill'em all and let God sort them out!" is a quote that sprang to mind...

Mon, 05/31/2010 - 02:09 | 383175 tip e. canoe
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jw, would your mind spring if God was actually a goddess?

hypothetically speaking of course...

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:59 | 381597 chistletoe
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If memory serves me correctly,

the queen of hearts used to think of six impossible things

 before breakfast ...

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 21:00 | 381658 CD
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Black & Veatch Chief Executive Len Rodman, whose company does engineering for energy projects, said huge tragedies have changed the trajectory of the energy business before, such as the partial core meltdown in a unit at Pennsylvania's Three Mile Island nuclear power plant in 1979.

"That disaster literally put a stop to nuclear power in the U.S.," Rodman said at the summit. "I'm not sure Three Mile Island was as big as what has happened (in the Gulf)."

While the fine folks at the respective companies involved (BP, Halliburton, Transocean) are, I'm sure, more than capable of creating the unfolding outcome on their own. But what if... what if... Is it a diversion from something, or a way to force said energy policy change? 

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 21:42 | 381698 Alienated Serf
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BP, haliburton, the bushies, the oil cartel will buy airtime and a politician to lead a stadium full of people chanting "DRILL BABY DRILL~~!!"  and then they will twist some patriotic narrative about domestic oil; if not too many birds die, they will win.


Sun, 05/30/2010 - 09:59 | 382087 MsCreant
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That would make them the most horrific criminals who ever walked the earth. Execution would not be enough.

I could not resist this from Discipline and Punish by Michel Foucault.


On 1 March 1757 Damiens the regicide was condemned "to make the amende honorable before the main door of the Church of Paris", where he was to be "taken and conveyed in a cart, wearing nothing but a shirt, holding a torch of burning wax weighing two pounds"; then, "in the said cart, to the Place de Grève, where, on a scaffold that will be erected there, the flesh will be torn from his breasts, arms, thighs and claves with red-hot pincers, his right hand, holding the knife with which he committed the said parricide, burnt with sulphur, and, on those places where the flesh will be torn away, poured molten lead, boiling oil, burning resin, wax and sulphur melted together and then his body drawn and quartered by four horses and his limbs and body consumed by fire, reduced to ashes and his ashes thrown to the winds" (Pièces originales..., 372-4).

"Finally, he was quartered," recounts the Gazette d'Amsterdam of 1 April 1757. "This last operation was very long, because the horses used were not accustomed to drawing; consequently, instead of four, six were needed; and when that did not suffice, they were forced, in order to cut off the wretch's thighs, to sever the sinews and hack at the joints...

"It is said that, though he was always a great swearer, no blashemy escaped his lips; but the excessive pain made him utter horrible cries, and he often repeated: 'My God, have pity on me! Jesus, help me!' The spectators were all edified by the solicitude of the parish priest of St Paul's who despite his great age did not spare himself in offering consolation to the patient."

Bouton, an officer of the watch, left us his account: "The sulphur was lit, but the flame was so poor that only the top skin of the hand was burnt, and that only slightly. Then the executioner, his sleeves rolled up, took the steel pincers, which had been especially made for the occasion, and which were about a foot and a half long, and pulled first at the calf of the right leg, then at the thigh, and from there at the two fleshy parts of the right arm; then at the breasts. Though a strong, sturdy fellow, this executioner found it so difficult to tear away the pieces of flesh that he set about the same spot two or three times, twisting the pincers as he did so, and what he took away formed at each part a wound about the size of a six-pound crown piece.

"After these tearings with the pincers, Damiens, who cried out profusely, though without swearing, raised his head and looked at himself; the same executioner dipped an iron spoon in the pot containing the boiling potion, which he poured liberally over each wound. Then the ropes that were to be harnessed to the horses were attached with cords to the patient's body; the horses were then harnessed and placed alongside the arms and legs, one at each limb.

"Monsieur Le Breton, the clerk of the court, went up to the patient several times and asked him if he had anything to say. He said he had not; at each torment, he cried out, as the damned in hell are supposed to cry out, 'Pardon, my God! Pardon, my Lord.' Despite all this pain, he raised his head from time to time and looked at himself boldly. The cords had been tied so tightly by the men who pulled the ends that they caused him indescribable pain. Monsieur le [sic] Breton went up to him again and asked him if he had anything to say; he said no. Several confessors went up to him and spoke to him at length; he willingly kissed the crucifix that was held out to him; he opened his lips and repeated: 'Pardon, Lord.'

"The horses tugged hard, each pulling straight on a limb, each horse held by an executioner. After a quarter of an hour, the same ceremony was repeated and finally, after several attempts, the direction of the horses had to be changed, thus: those at the arms were made to pull towards the head, those at the thighs towards the arms, which broke the arms at the joints. This was repeated several times without success. He raised his head and looked at himself. Two more horses had to be added to those harnessed to the thighs, which made six horses in all. Without success.

"Finally, the executioner, Samson, said to Monsieur Le Breton that there was no way or hope of succeeding, and told him to ask their Lordships if they wished him to have the prisoner cut into pieces. Monsieur Le Breton, who had come down from the town, ordered that renewed efforts be made, and this was done; but the horses gave up and one of those harnessed to the thighs fell to the ground. The confessors returned and spoke to him again. He said to them (I heard him): 'Kiss me, gentlemen.' The parish priest of St Paul's did not dare to, so Monsieur de Marsilly slipped under the rope holding the left arm and kissed him on the forehead. The executioners gathered round and Damiens told them not to swear, to carry out their task and that he did not think ill of them; he begged them to pray to God for him, and asked the parish priest of St Paul's to pray for him at the first mass.

"After two or three attempts, the executioner Samson and he who had used the pincers each drew out a knife from his pocket and cut the body at the thighs instead of severing the legs at the joints; the four horses gave a tug and carried off the two thighs after them, namely, that of the right side first, the other following; then the same was done to the arms, the shoulders, the arm-pits and the four limbs; the flesh had to be cut almost to the bone, the horses pulling hard carried off the right arm first and the other afterwards.

"When the four limbs had been pulled away, the confessors came to speak to him; but his executioner told them that he was dead, though the truth was that I saw the man move, his lower jaw moving from side to side as if he were talking. One of the executioners even said shortly afterwards that when they had lifted the trunk to throw it on the stake, he was still alive. The four limbs were untied from the ropes and thrown on the stake set up in the enclosure in line with the scaffold, then the trunk and the rest were covered with logs and faggots, and fire was put to the straw mixed with this wood.

"...In accordance with the decree, the whole was reduced to ashes. The last piece to be found in the embers was still burning at half-past ten in the evening. The pieces of flesh and the trunk had taken about four hours to burn. The officers of whom I was one, as also was my son, and a detachment of archers remained in the square until nearly eleven o'clock.

"There were those who made something of the fact that a dog had lain the day before on the grass where the fire had been, had been chased away several times, and had always returned. But it is not difficult to understand that an animal found this place warmer than elsewhere" (quoted in Zevaes, 201-14).


Sun, 05/30/2010 - 12:15 | 382249 RichardENixon
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Hey, why should this Damiens guy have all the fun?

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 00:14 | 381846 Bolweevil
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all things are possible...

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:23 | 381550 knukles
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Oh yeah, that and several like it.  And upon circulating it for comment to friends in the energy business and others, got the standard WTF, you're a conspiracy theorist, tin foil hatter, crazy man dismissal response. 


Sun, 05/30/2010 - 00:12 | 381845 Bolweevil
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derp=exopthalmosis, but sharp as a tack! bravo. 

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 16:41 | 381365 M.B. Drapier
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If not, the well will produce even more due to the fractures induced from the blast with the possibility being that the oil would be radioactive.

You couldn't make it up.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 16:51 | 381375 Kali
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Edwin Teller, one of the nuke crazies suggest blasting NG wells with nukes to get the gas out.  OOPS!  Didn't think about radioactive NG not usuable for domestic use.  They lost money on that bright idea.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:09 | 381609 chistletoe
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I am still trying to fathom this sentiment:

the russians did it, therefore its a good idea.


Here's an interesting russian experiment:

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:16 | 381617 chistletoe
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I am still trying to fathom this sentiment:

the russians did it, therefore its a good idea.


Here's an interesting russian experiment:

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 00:00 | 381833 John_Coltrane
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Don't confuse radiation with radioactivity.  Hydrocarbons are mostly C and H atoms neither of which can easily absorb neutrons from a nuclear blast which mostly produces high intensity gamma and x-rays (neither of which can activate or make material low Z atoms like C or H into radioactive isotopes (ie unstable atoms which decay releasing radiation later)  Only neutron absorbance can make a material radioactive.  So, the problem would not be radioactive oil or gas but more likely uncontrolled fracture of the rock which could release more oil.  However, blasts in rocks with high silica and alumina content in the presence of oxygen (like water) does form glass which would be the ideal material to plug the main leak as its completely impermeable.  So, the idea is worth considering if the needed blast size and shape can be estimated.  The nuclear weapons labs likely have this modeling capability from expoding underground nucs for many years in the 50 and 60s.

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 15:25 | 382450 Psquared
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They may have been modeling underground nukes for this purpose, but not 5,000 feet underwater and then another 15,000 feet below the ocean floor where the pressure is several tons PSI. It would take a special casing for the bomb and a special hole to insert the nuke to the right depth. The relief wells will be complete before they are able to do all of that.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 16:49 | 381373 Kali
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Or crack it wider!  This guy isn't an engineer, why should I listen to him?  Fusing the hole shut would make sense, but not via nuclear.  Cauterize it.

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 00:26 | 381853 Rusty_Shackleford
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I think we're also ignoring the power of the environmentalist lobby and their ability to use the legal system to gum up any plan for using a nuke.

Hell, how many nuclear power plants have actually been built in the last 50 years in the US?

I really can't see the use of a nuke being politically feasible, even if completely valid from an engineering standpoint.

It would bring about the same level of indignation as if they were to say , "We're going to use a bunch of clubbed baby harp seals for the next junk shot."

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 12:26 | 382264 knukles
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"Clubbed baby harp seals for the next junk shot"
Fucking hilarious.
But then again, if we were to hire a Canadian firm....
My daughter dates a Canook and I asked him, first time we'd met, whether for his 16th birthday, his rite of passage to be a Man, had his pop taken him to a seal clubbing.
His response was that such annual party time events are necessary in order to humanely ensure no starvation (of seals) due to overpopulation. 

Methinks he's divinely chosen to sit in judgement of his fellow man on the right hand of Soros, Gore, Sebalius, et, al., in the Shrine of Modern Pre-Apocolyptic Eugenics.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:28 | 381626 SecretGoldfish
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<i>****A little dramatic, aren't we?****</i>


primarily i was advocating for a relief well before going nuclear.  secondarily, it was mainly a joke. 

i got it, anyway.

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 08:59 | 382062 blindfaith
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Hi Rogerwilco,

With all due respect, you don't understand the geology of the GoM or the surrounding land masses. I live here. We are not granite, we are a layering of porous limestone of various harnesses, calcium carbonate, shell, salt crystal, mud that is more like slime,and sand.

If one were to "bomb" or dynamite such, you end up with a new pile of porous material. You would have a big oozing mass not a gushing hole. It is not unheard of around the Gulf to have a pond 5 of ten miles inland and have it rise and fall with the tide, nor that suddenly it becomes salty or visa versa.

The oil companies and the Government knows this. Which is likely why they will do it, explode something. I keep telling my friends, there is more to all this than meets the eye....and somewhere there is a lot of money to be made by a few people at the cost of many.

We have to blame the next hyper-recession/depression, and stock and commodities crash on something. Cause and effect, follow the money, follow the people, find the answer.

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 22:41 | 382940 Just_Another_User
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That's a great point... kilo not mega... which is no small point at all. But I think, "nuking the seabed back to the stoneage." is truly representative of how the general population is going to react to the idea.


Back in early March (if my memory serves) there was a ZHer who'd posted this as the only 'real' solution.



Tue, 05/17/2011 - 02:07 | 1282118 Karston1234
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I am happy to find your distinguished way of writing the post.
Earn Degree
Doctorate Degree
Online Diploma

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:39 | 381251 Oso
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you mean the relief wells that will take until August to complete, assuming zero stoppage time for errant hurricanes?  oh, right, definitley preferable.  Most of the reserves in this field will have emptied by then.  Awesome.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:45 | 381642 SecretGoldfish
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so, um, how much sooner will a nuke be put into place?  next week?


don't think so.  there are NO quick options now.  top fill was the 'quick fix' . . . everything else now has a time horizon of months.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 16:39 | 381363 Psquared
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Wait ... has anyone thought of calling Bruce Willis? (Sorry, I know that was in bad taste. :-(

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 16:50 | 381374 Yes We Can. But...
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Obama would prob be happy to let the Iranians test their first nuke in the well.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 22:55 | 381771 Almost Solvent
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Nope. North Korea

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 17:16 | 381398 asiablues
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Matt Simmons might be qualified to talk about peak oi, but he is not an oil related engineer to even discuss in casual conversation about th spill let along recommending a best solution.  

Like Faber always said we are all doomed...if we start listening to his proposal regarding how to handle the oil spill.   

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:05 | 381520 knukles
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Well (no pun intended) as of 1600 PST, that's proven itself correct.  A distraction, a failure.  Never do a man's job with old tires, mud and golf balls.

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 00:56 | 381873 Moneygrove
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I am just happy the spill is in the southern gulf states !!!!!!!!!!!!! the south wanted to drill off shore and they got it !!!!!!!!!!! no bail outs for losers southern gulf states !!!!!!!!!! spill baby spill !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! send bush or biggins palin to fix it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 12:47 | 381110 taraxias
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The leak will stop when the reservoir empties into the GOM.

Everything else is eyewash for the masses.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 12:59 | 381133 snowball777
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Now, now...don't be will stop before that, when the pressure inside the pocket becomes lower than the 160 atmospheres of surrounding oil/water.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:55 | 381194 geminiRX
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I think you guys just got a new strategic oil reserve. Just insert a straw.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:16 | 381227 Clycntct
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If it originated at 5000' but it doesn't.

Me thinks its 30,000' so recalculate or explain.


Sat, 05/29/2010 - 15:02 | 381278 Kayman
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 If you overcome the pressure at the top of the pipe, the job is done.

I fail to understand why the oil industry does not have a "jaw clamp" at the ready to attach to these pipes, then close off the escaping oil.

BP looks like the Keystone Cops and Obama is sitting in the audience eating popcorn. Not a good example of Presidential material.

The objective is to stop the oil leak, not minimize responsibility.


Sat, 05/29/2010 - 15:44 | 381322 dumpster
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jaw clamp"    johhny bravo is delivering pizza ,, not available

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 21:00 | 381659 DoChenRollingBearing
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Touché dumpster!  LOL.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 16:13 | 381349 knukles
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Obama's objective is to minimize responsibility, now that he has taken all responsibility and immediately after having done so, the "kill" packages failed miserably.

At least there's progress.  Going from civilian to military solution which in and of itself has gone from sinking a battleship thereupon to nuking the fucker. 

"You're in good hands with this state." 

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 18:49 | 381502 kimyo
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jaw clamp needs good casing all the way down.  you don't have that due to poor cement choice, application, and bad design.

even if you could teleport the mud into the pipe the gas would just push it out thru the breaches in the casing.

simmons has now said 3 times (ratigan, bloomberg, puplava) that the riser we are seeing is attached to the rigfloor and not to the wellhead.

here's a theory on that: deepwater blows up, but it doesn't sink for 2 days. while it's on fire, it's slowly filling with oil. maybe the weight of the oil actually causes it to tip over/lose buoyancy? in any case, now it's on the bottom, full of oil, and leaking it back thru the riser we see on cnn.

subtheory: the reason simmons is so confident about his information is that he has satellite imagery to confirm. the 'primary' leak site is 5 miles west of the bop.

if a satellite can read a license plate, it can see the source of those enormous plumes which cannot be accounted for by the flow from the riser.

in any case, i don't even know if deepwater has any oil storage capacity, anyone have any numbers?  comments?

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 09:16 | 382068 blindfaith
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very sensible and valuable comments.

BP does not want to disclose the barrels for many reasons. One big reason, the tax due the government of all oil from from the well...including captured or lost.

BP has nothing to loose, and will loose nothing in all this.
Their liability is 75 million crummy dollars. Anyone who thinks that filing a 'suit' or claim and BP will pay it, does not know what it means to have a 1,000 attorneys on your payroll waiting to do something.

Every have a disagreement with your stock broker???? Don't. You will be asked for every check you have written, every transaction, tax returns, police record, etc for the last ten years. BP will ask for the same and more, and all there poor folks hurt by this will have attorneys to pay and no settlement.

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 13:40 | 382339 Greyzone
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A "jaw clamp" is exactly what the BOP was supposed to do. It failed.

In 2004 the Minerals and Management Service (MMS) noted that 88% of Gulf rigs inspected were not certified for the depths at which they were operating. This is probably still true today.

For several years, concerned people inside the industry have argued that the US should implement the "Brazil Rule". The Brazil Rule basically states that before you are allowed to drill in X feet of water, you must first drill a test well (without striking oil) and then prove that your BOP will function correctly. The US government refused to implement the Brazil Rule because industry CEOs all complained that it would "increase costs". Well, failure to implement the Brazil Rule has just cost the entire world far more than all the Brazil Rule tests ever would have cost.


Sat, 05/29/2010 - 16:42 | 381367 boooyaaaah
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Yeah but this plays well into Obamas carbon cap plan

Anbd this guy is probably long oil

So radiaoactive (hot) oil makes nornal oil more valuable

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 12:47 | 381111 Sqworl
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To all my friends and Patriots take a moment to honor those brave men and women and vets for their service....Have a great weekend...:-)

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 15:40 | 381318 nope-1004
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Yes, we all should as this country was built on veterans.  Our freedom of blogging is totally due to them.


I know one person that won't be honoring our vets, because he's "on holidays".  Our dear mr. obummer.  Can't wait till he's voted out - or impeached.



Sat, 05/29/2010 - 12:49 | 381113 John McCloy
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We will continue to hear about Top Kill "attempts" all weekend because it is Memorial day and this administration has no desire to have Americans chatting around pools, BBQs and Margaritas collectively agreeing that Pres. Obama had a slow motion response and that this disaster is ongoing with no end in sight until a relief well is drilled. 
Come Tuesday morning we should begin hearing about the next funny named plan but I assure you Top Kill will not permanently seal the leak without a miraculous series of events. There is simply too much pressure and not enough mud and BP is well aware that continued stress from fighting pressure with pressure can lead to weakness in the structure. This is simply distractionary. Plan Z comes on Tuesday and late Monday the media will lay the groundwork for "Top Kill having minimal effects on oil leak however BP new plan to commence Wednesday". 
It is just like financial extend and pretend. In the meantime more sealife and wildlife die and species such as the Brown Pelican face potential extinction. Also the entire seafood industry of the Gulf is likely facing extinction since nobody has any interest in eating food, oysters, shrimp or catfish that may be tainted with Corexit and carcinogenic oil. That is even if they any of that sealife exists in 1 year with plankton being killed as well. The entire balance of the marine ecosystem in the gulf is destroyed and millions will lose jobs.
Charter fishing is down 90% and the longer this continues the sooner we arrive at Florida and the Eastern seaboard facing similar end game results. Meanwhile the President flies into LA. picks up some tarballs and swiftly Jets out to Chicago to enjoy his vacation, play some hoops at Univ. Chicago and further cement his one term presidency.
Meanwhile the reverse printing press known as the Oil Volcano is undoing all of the fruitless fiatski printing by Our Dear Fed Leader.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:23 | 381160 tom a taxpayer
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If Obama followed his own advice to Americans, Obama would vacation on the Gulf coast. At Thursday's news conference Obama said:

"one of the powerful ways that you can help the Gulf right now is to visit the communities and the beaches off of the coast. Except for three beaches here in Louisiana, all of the Gulf's beaches at this moment are open, they are safe and they are clean. And so that's always a good way to help, is to come down and provide support to the communities along the coasts."

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:11 | 381193 John McCloy
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     Yeah I am stunned he is not spending the entire weekend in the Gulf. The only way he could help is to remain there and keep the spotlight on what is occurring along with spending time with families there to understand how they will be impacted. He and his administration are good at rear-view mirror politics and certainly not leadership. This President enjoys playing president. 

    The only reason he graced the gulf with his prescence yesterday was political damage control. Looking at the video of him on the beach walking around as if in a stupor, grabbing tar balls I believe for the first time I saw a moment of realization in the President. For the first time I saw that know-it-all have the realization that he does not know it all and actions will always speak louder than words and being a leader consists far more than convincing the masses with empty promises and rheotoric.

    I am never for spending but it is for moments like this that we as a nation need to have been conserving and saving instead of entering into debt on frivolous horseshit. These people need our help and if the President and Congress had not permitted the Fed to fire up the printing presses so that the douche patrol could ride around in the 911 turbos in East Hampton this weekend then we could fire up the printing presses for an event that could destroy the Southern economy. Now it is too late and we have already went to the presses so anything short of nationalizing BP or the take over of a few of their wells to pay for every single cost incurred by small business, families and military support must be paid back and NOT 20 years later after a plaintiffs have been worn down by the courts and when the dollar has been inflated away to make the  real payouts substantially less in 2038.

      Meanwhile they keep tankers parked offshore running in circles across the globe awaiting higher prices and not participating in the cleanup. 

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:54 | 381274 dark pools of soros
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yeah he should be backstrokin in the oil slick with his family


i was watchin the BP feed today and saw it dick around with a circular saw for an hour.. it used it for 10 seconds on some random part of the pipe, made a little dust cloud and then move away..  they must of just left everything on for the kids to play with for the weekend..

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:55 | 381275 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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I saw a video of our community organizer and his wife together. Michelle reached up and removed a piece of lint from his suit. I swear Barry acted and looked like a happily married man. If his eyes had been lasers he would have been a widower.

Barry refusing to come out the closet is what is holding him back. Ending don't ask don't tell is his way of saying, " I get to be CIC when I get to be with the men of my choice"

Homosexuality is a valid lifestyle. Why he pretends is beyond me. No one in academia will be upset. Come out! Come out! Barry, live the life you need.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 21:10 | 381670 bbbilly1326
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"Come out! Barry, live the life you need."


sounds like wishful thinking on ur part u like black guys, no harm in admitting that.......

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 15:52 | 381306 velobabe
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John McCloy

for such a young adult and learner, i continue to admire your fortitude and insight with these numerous crisis this world is facing right now, and doesn't have a clue how to solve or deal with.

me thinks ya got some caring and greatness in you, young man.

matt simmons, a man i can trust.

“Top Kill”, just another WMD - Weapons of Mass Distraction

                                                built, patent, & developed by the USofA.

maria sharapova--------------> red clay bitch†

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:42 | 381572 velobabe
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JOHN MCCLOY, this quote below, you might enjoy reading this whole article up on the automatic earth. Ilargi is genius.


Yes, the comparisons between the failed and failing US financial policies on the one side, and the botched beyond belief BP disaster inevitably come to the forefront as President Obama visits the Gulf region for a second time in 38 days.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 15:49 | 381326 dumpster
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Obama doing vacation in the oil zone ,, with his total staff and hangeroners ,, would increase the GDP of the area by 9%.. 

bringing prosparity for two weeks .  new jobs .. plus all the new money money from the crews. additional workers .

might be  plan for detroit ,, nuke the place low level lol

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 12:52 | 381121 seventree
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Maybe a nuke will fix the whole problem according to best available theoretical models.

Or maybe it will result in a new catastrophe of a magnitude beyond human imagination.

I can't wait to find out. Interesting times, indeed.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:03 | 381135 Fish Gone Bad
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A nuke going off that far down should make a fairly nice tidal wave.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:43 | 381260 Frank Owen
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Can you surf a dynamite wave?

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 06:57 | 382010 Hephasteus
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You do know that video is fake right?

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 12:00 | 382221 JW n FL
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Heres one thats not fake for the idiot complainer above..




Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:42 | 381573 TBT or not TBT
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Ridiculous.   Media and lefties and scientifically illiterate people have turned nuke into satan incarnate.   Setting off nukes under water has well known results, and the results of setting them off underground is even better understood.  There's nothing particularly sacred about nukes per se other than the hocus pocus people have got running around in their wittle heads. and particularly so in this usage.   Shoulda been done in week one, whereafter a couple more rigs should've been headed out there to get more that frickin oil out of there, taking better precautions.    Our moratorium is jsut meaningless given that the rest of the world can drill there too, including companies that don't give a rats ass about US lawsuits.

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 12:18 | 382257 JW n FL
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Marla did a Nuke! Baby!! Nuke!!! piece... God Love Her!


Yes I agree the "Fresh Water Springs" ( ) alone could be effected by the shock wave... Florida, how many tourism dollars are now gone? ( and / or ( )


Florida is screwed along with the other Gulf States…

As the BP oil spill continues, the Gulf Coast’s fishermen, tourism industries, small businesses, and local governments are being threatened with serious economic costs.   While the total economic impact of the spill remains to be seen, it is clear that the damages will be significant, given that the tourism and fishing industries alone generate billions of dollars each year.


Here are just a few examples of the value of the industries to the Gulf Coast.


Tourism—Gulf Coast


1.      The value of the Gulf Coast’s tourism industry [EPA; Last Accessed 5.18.10]:

$20 billion




2.     The value of Florida’s tourism industry [Miami Herald; Last Accessed 5.18.10]:

$60 Billion


3.     The percentage reductions in hotel occupancy rates between Pensacola and Panama City [Wall Street Journal; Last Accessed 5.18.10]:

30 Percent


4.     The estimated percentage reductions in hotel occupancy rates during Memorial Day along the Florida panhandle[1] [Wall Street Journal; Last Accessed 5.18.10]:

70 Percent



5.      The amount of money spent by tourists on Alabama’s beaches in 2008 [Reuters; Last Accessed 5.18.08]

$2.3 Billion


6.     The number of workers supported by tourists on Alabama’s beaches in 2008 [Reuters; Last Accessed 5.18.08]



7.     Percentage of cancellations already being recorded on Dauphin Island where the first tar balls came ashore [Wall Street Journal; Last Accessed 5.18.08]:

50 Percent



8.     The amount of money domestic travelers spent in Louisiana in 2008 [Louisiana Office of Tourism; Last Accessed 5.18.10]:

$9.3 Billion


9.      The amount of tax revenue for generated by domestic travel in Louisiana for federal, state, and local governments in 2008 [Louisiana Office of Tourism; Last Accessed 5.18.10]:

$1.1 Billion


10.  Number of Louisiana’s 64 parishes that received over $100 million in travel expenditures in 2008 [Louisiana Office of Tourism; Last Accessed 5.18.10]:


Commercial Fishing—Louisiana


11.  The value of the commercial seafood industry in Louisiana [The Economist; Last Accessed 5.18.08]:

$2.4 Billion


12.  The percentage amount of seafood that Louisiana catches in the continental U.S. [Wall Street Journal; Last Accessed 5.18.08]:

40 Percent

Commercial Fishing—Gulf Coast


13. The size of the area in the Gulf of Mexico currently closed to fishing [Associated Press; Last Accessed 5.18.10]:

46,000 square miles


14.  The value of the commercial seafood harvest that was to begin on May 15th [Wall Street Journal; Last Accessed 5.18.10]:

$21 Billion


15.  The percentage amount of total U.S. seafood production coming from the Gulf Coast [Wall Street Journal; Last Accessed 5.18.10]:

20 Percent


Recreational Fishing—Louisiana


16. The value of the recreational fishing industry in Louisiana [The Economist; Last Accessed 5.18.08]:

$1 Billion <--- notice the .GOV Senate Figures above, must be lite… imagine the real amount of monies being hemorrhaged because of the Spill…

I Love this quote so much I am reposting it… This quote and site should be visited by anyone with a real interest in what is going on… If you are part of the Mid-West $60 Billion Dollar Corn Welfare System… I will understand that spreading the Word and talking about how all those poor people are the cause of the Nations Problems. ***** Cough! BULLSHIT!! Cough! *****


See Below…. And the rest of the comments can be found here… ( )


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Not an oil expert by far, but I have read everything, including this last well thought out piece. For me, these are the areas to focus on:

1) MMS approved flawed plans for the project.
2) The Schlumberger crew was there to do the definitive wire tests on the cement job.....they were told to stand down by the BP company man.

The details of how #2 occurred are going to at the heart of any criminal trial IMO.

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Um...another version of SLB rumor....From the other discussion mentioned downthread.

About the Morgan City rumor--I call it that because smb from Morgan City told me this about two weeks ago. Apparently in the day of the accident the Schlumberger people were there to do a CBL. The well had been acting up already that day, and they were chasing a phantom pressure anomaly all over the place (remember also that a couple of the pressure tests failed before they got one that supposedly passed). Schlumberger wanted them to keep the mud in the well for them to do the CBL, but the BP man wanted to evacuate and plug. Apparently there was a tiff when the BP man said he didn't want a CBL (it would be difficult to know WTH they were doing out there if they weren't anticipating running one) and the Schlumberger people pulled their crew, got in their helicopter and took off. That evening the rig blew up.

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Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:10 | 381146 snowball777
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Eye on the TV 'cause tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavour It happens to be like;
Killed by the husband,  Drowned by the ocean
Shot by his own son, She used the poison in his tea
And kissed him goodbye

That's my kind of story
It's never fun 'til someone dies

Don't look at me like I am a monster
Frown out your one face, but with the other
Stare like a junkie, into the TV
Stare like a zombie, while the mother
Holds her child, watches him die
Hands to the sky crying, "Why, oh why?"

'cause I need to watch things die
...from a distance

Vicariously I, live while the whole world dies
You all need it too

don't lie

Why can't we just admit it?
Why can't we just admit it?

We won't give pause until the blood is flowing
Neither the brave nor bold
The writers of stories sold
We won't give pause until the blood is flowing

I need to watch things die
...from a good safe distance

Vicariously I, live while the whole world dies
You all feel the same so
Why can't we just admit it?

Blood like rain come down
Drawn on grave and ground

Part vampire
Part warrior
Carnivore and voyeur

Stare at the transmittal
Sing to the death rattle

La, la, la, la, la, la, la-lie

Credulous at best, your desire to believe in angels in the hearts of men.

Pull your head on out your hippy haze and give a listen.
Shouldn't have to say it again.
The universe is hostile. so Impersonal. devour to survive.
So it is. So it's always been.

We all feed on tragedy
It's like blood to a vampire

Vicariously I, live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I 

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 12:55 | 381125 Nihilarian
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Or they can just contract Bruce Willis.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 12:58 | 381129 SecretGoldfish
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terminate the leak

with extreme prejudice



Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:50 | 381585 Celsius
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ROFL... Awesome!

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 09:36 | 382075 FEDbuster
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Why waste a nuke, when Chuck Norris could just stick his fist in wellhead and stop the leak?

Why drill relief wells, when Chuck Norris could just punch a few more with his fists?

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 12:59 | 381132 MsCreant
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Die Hardest: Extinction Event

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:09 | 381141 SecretGoldfish
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this time it's personal

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:51 | 381586 Celsius
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I almost pissed my pants on that one... 

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:15 | 381142 John McCloy
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   Could be if there is a large unreported crack in the seafloor. All these years we were all waiting and staring at the sky awaiting the next Chicxulub event and little did we know the extinction event could be right beneath us. Hopefully there is not a large crack in the seafloor.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 12:59 | 381130 Fish Gone Bad
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There are so many other places in the world that could really use some nuke therapy. 

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:25 | 381241 thisandthat
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Sun, 05/30/2010 - 14:34 | 382408 thisandthat
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Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:44 | 381574 TBT or not TBT
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Sat, 05/29/2010 - 12:59 | 381131 thesapein
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Called that one. Oh, wait, they haven't actually nuked it yet. But it's always been on the table of options ever since Russia proved the method can work.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:03 | 381137 7buy7
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Archive footage of Russian use of nuke to kill an out of control well (terrestial)

Russia Today broadcast from 5th May discusses the same

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:20 | 381154 SecretGoldfish
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awesome.  the commies don't screw around, i'll give 'em that much.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:21 | 381157 SecretGoldfish
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2bl pst


my bad

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:34 | 381172 Rogerwilco
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I love the Rusky animation - it's simple enough that even Obama could understand it. But Americans are so ignorant these days, anything with the word "nuclear" in the description will be rejected outright.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:22 | 381238 SecretGoldfish
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it's pronounced nuke-YOU-ler



Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:38 | 381249 thisandthat
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Among the people I've heard saying nucular, are: Baby Bush, the guy from Future Weapons, a usn carrier commander, etc.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:45 | 381580 TBT or not TBT
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Yeah, but have you heard a brit trying to use the word "schedule"?  That one gets me every time.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:54 | 381649 ZeroPower
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Sat, 05/29/2010 - 22:43 | 381751 Alienated Serf
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Sun, 05/30/2010 - 09:45 | 382081 FEDbuster
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Bush would have gone with the nu-koo-lar option a month ago.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:07 | 381139 imaginalis
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I wonder if Goldman Sachs is seeking a commission on the nuclear charges.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:19 | 381153 MsCreant
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Stuff this shit down the hole. Now that is what I call top kill. We could nuke it too, just to be sure.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:12 | 381195 DaveyJones
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Can we shove the Patriot Act, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, and their authors down there too? Then I'll let you Nuke 

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:39 | 381254 Reductio ad Absurdum
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Nah, but we can shove your fat head down there. That should plug the leak nicely.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 15:04 | 381283 DaveyJones
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brilliant defense of the legislation

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 17:37 | 381426 WaterWings
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In response to a reporter's question about the effectiveness of Chicago anti-gun laws the mayor offers a non-sensical response:

"It's been very effective," Daley said as he held the rifle. "If I put this up your butt, you'll find out how effective it is. Let me put a round up your, you know."

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 22:47 | 381755 Alienated Serf
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classic.  and he is trying to defend his statements as "on msg"

When a reporter pointed out bayonets are not traditionally used for sticking up someone's butt, Daley said, "you stick it everyplace."

best stuff i've seen since that congressman was scared  gaum would capsize.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:51 | 381587 TBT or not TBT
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Didn't read the whole patriot act, but the part where they got rid of Jamie Goreleck's "wall" between CIA and know the wall that prevented the plot being discovered and foiled, that kinda made sense to me.   What do you think Davey?   Should we put Goreleck's "wall" back in there?    Did you know she was mixed up in Fannie/Freddie as well?   Playing a causative role two completely disparate trillion dollar man made disasters ought to put her on the watch list.  In fact it is a good bet everything she's ever done ought to be reversed just on suspicion it will trigger some other nightmare.   Is she involved in oversight of deep sea drilling safety?

Sun, 05/30/2010 - 00:54 | 381872 DaveyJones
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There is nothing in the Patriot Act that is necessary to allow the intelligence, military and law enforcment agenices to keep us safe. Wish I could say the same about the constitution. Also depends on what you think "the plot" was.

The criticism of this act transcends political and academic position:

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:42 | 381258 thisandthat
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Stuff it with politicians - sacrifice Armageddon style - that should do some good. Ask the mafia about it - they have lots of expertise with concrete...

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 20:05 | 381602 johan404
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They should nuke Goldman Sachs too, maybe that will plug the money leak in the economy.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:15 | 381148 AssFire
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Top Kills usually there is a connected pipe to the BOP- Read the following method...It is obvious it will not work:

ROCKMAN: Goose — I KNOW nothing but I suspect it might not be working. I thought of a way folks could look at the effort in a manner they can more easily visualize. Here goes: there is a fire hydrant open full force. Putting out 7 ppg water at 80 psi at a RATE OF 500 GALLONS PER MINUTE.. Now I want to stop that water from coming up the main by pointing another fire hose at it. Unfortanately I can’t connect the hose directly to the hydrant because the threads are messed up (i.e. bad BOP). So all I can do is hold the end of the hose close to the opening of the hydrant. My hose is putting out 500 gallons of 16.5 ppg mud at a pressure of 80 psi. So can I stop the water flowing from the hydrant? Nope…the pressures are the same. At best the two streams hit each other and the total flows out of the gap.

This is the problem I’ve had with the top kill from the start. I’ve been on rigs where we’ve pumped a successful kill pill. But the well was shut in. All we had to do was pump in at a pressure greater that the shut in pressure of the well. The pressured mud would push whatever was in the well downwards. But the BP well isn’t shut in…it’s flowing. How much force do you need to apply to a river to make it flow upstream? I know folks were holding out for the top kill to work so I didn’t want to be too negative. But if they couldn’t get a very tight seal on the BOP I couldn’t envision how they could get the flow to stop let alone flow backwards down the csg. But as I’v said before I’m not an engineer…just pretend to be sometimes on TOD.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:17 | 381149 AnAnonymous
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I knew it. I knew one US citizen would want to nuke his way out.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:20 | 381155 monkeyfaction
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Investment bankers aren't even very good at running investment banks. I definitely wouldn't explode a nuclear weapon because one said that we should.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:24 | 381161 taraxias
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The only nuke that could save this country is one detonating at 33 Liberty

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:31 | 381168 arnoldsimage
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Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:19 | 381548 Cui Bono
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Could everyone from 1537 Paper St please meet at 33 Liberty Tuesday, 8am.....   sigh.....

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:24 | 381162 umop episdn
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Why you should read this: it's the intertubes first-ever Oil Spill Booming School, and it's fvckin' awesome. Stolen from one of the posters on TheOilDrum.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:39 | 381169 asdf
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is he an engineer? The engineers (there are several) on think that this plan is insane. They also say that this plan will fail and only a relief well is a real solution.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:18 | 381230 Gigem77
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No, Matt Simmons is an investment banker.  

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 14:46 | 381266 old_turk
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Not an engineer but I worked all through college in various aspects of the oil field and I live in an oil and gas producing area.


The relief well is the solution ... or you could nuke it ... or you can spend a bunch of money for show. 


The problem with a nuke is that you have to drill to place and if you miscalculate and rupture seams in the strata above the reservoir, you've just created something that you will have no hope of stopping.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:37 | 381173 Xibalba
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NAS  Revelation 8:
 8 And the second angel sounded, and something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea; and a third of the sea became blood;
 9 and a third of the creatures, which were in the sea and had life, died; and a third of the ships were destroyed.

 10 And the third angel sounded, and a great star fell from heaven, burning like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of waters;
 11 and the name of the star is called Wormwood; and a third of the waters became wormwood; and many men died from the waters, because they were made bitter.
 12 And the fourth angel sounded, and a third of the sun and a third of the moon and a third of the stars were smitten, so that a third of them might be darkened and the day might not shine for a third of it, and the night in the same way.
 13 And I looked, and I heard an eagle flying in midheaven, saying with a loud voice, "Woe, woe, woe, to those who dwell on the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!"

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 19:55 | 381591 TBT or not TBT
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And "St" John was a raving nutter.  Whosever idea it was to put that book in the Bible is probably in the actual hell, if there is one.

Sat, 05/29/2010 - 21:20 | 381679 bbbilly1326
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Sat, 05/29/2010 - 13:41 | 381177 huckman
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Just call the Colorado School of Mines  They'll have a below sea floor detination size/distance/mass/pressure calculation to stop this leak in a nano second. 

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