Matt Simmons Tells Bloomberg Only Way To Contain Oil Leak Is With Small Nuclear Bombs, "Top Kill" Is Just A Distraction

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SecretGoldfish's picture

i still have to think relief wells are far preferable to nuking the seabed back to the stoneage.

 

 

Rogerwilco's picture

"nuking the seabed back to the stoneage."

A little dramatic, aren't we? The explosion would be underground - the goal is to collapse the bore hole on itself. Kilotons, not megatons.

derp's picture

Depending on where they place the bomb it actually could work quite well. Attempts were made to nuke gas wells in the 60s in order to try and crack the production zones and speed recovery. Gas Buggy in NM was one attempt. http://ludb.clui.org/ex/i/NM3130/ The gas was too radioactive to sell. I think other attempts were made and the heat from the blast was so hot that it turned the permeable rock into impermeable glass, doh! I think in this case thats what they would hope for. If not, the well will produce even more due to the fractures induced from the blast with the possibility being that the oil would be radioactive. I don't think BP even knows what the integrety of the well bore is. I'm pretty sure there is mangaled casing and pipe that wouldn't allow them to place a nuke very far down. This is become a very dire situation, extremely saddening. 

ZerOhead's picture

To nuke or not to nuke... that is the question. Still way too early to default to a tactical nuke which really is the 'last resort' (and one I hope they don't check into!).... and I see you understand the risks... good doggy!

derp's picture

dogs and cats getting along... zerohedge transcending boundaries

knukles's picture

Right Arm, Farm Out and Outta State.  
Nuke the Whales, dude.

Everything else is coming unglued; it's like doobie time at the funnyfarm without the Thorazine and Ativan. 

Here's the real question; with this greasy mess in the spot light, what other crap are they sliding past us? 
Quick, A Distraction Men!  Leverage the Panic!

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

Now we have someone thinking on their feet. The first rule of insanity is to leverage the crisis to your advantage since you don't care about the consequences of the crisis. It is abundantly clear, and if it isn't it should be, that the madmen are running the show here on earth.

These are the people who leverage the financial system to self destruction to leverage even more out of the system. These are people who use 6 levels of deception to hide the fact that they're taking working on the 7th level. Our disadvantage is that we don't think like them nor do we wish to think like them. So we don't even consider certain lines of thought because in our minds it is "impossible."

Let's start considering the impossible as possible and we might have a fighting chance. 10 years ago would you have considered everything that has happened over the past 2 years to be possible? Sure maybe some, but all that has happened? And yet now we are still considering things to be impossible? Epic fail on our part. 

The eyes of the world are on the Gulf. Where would they be if the Gulf wasn't in play?

 

what about my dog's picture

Dear CD,  I kind of have a little crush on you:)

knukles's picture

I'm sure you 've had the same experiences, CD.  Over the last 2 to 10 years, put forth a well researched, internally consistent thesis incorporating some element of somebody or bodies, very powerful, somewhere, doing something effectively illegal, manifestly large and despicably malicious for immense personal gain, the cost of which is borne by the general public and endorsed by the law givers and their monied benefactors.  Suggest further that in many cases those malicious bodies shall never fell the steel of handcuff or the shame of the perp walk, and our fellows simply shrug, accepting it as the normal course of business.

How may times has that thesis found deaf ears, skepticism, even retorts of conspiracy theorist, nut job and tin foil hat man, yet only within months, the result proving itself true?  And strangely, no bizarrely interestingly, simply accepted by the same who'd called us out as just now, seemingly acceptable.  Repeat, time and time again as the transgressions, nay, the sins multiply in magnitude, visibility and audacity. 

The Magna Carta has been shredded, rights abridged, society raped and the public treasury pilfered by the law givers and their financial benefactors, whilst the general public's consensus opinion remains riveted, as directed by a captive media (aka propaganda in other settings) upon the polemics of matters rather than fundamental philosophical substance.  Nobody accepts blame or even shame as the very moral, ethical and intellectual fibre of society has been institutionally, discarded.   

Epic fail, indeed.  Epic fail of not our fathers or our forefathers, but ourselves, our very own generation.  Indeed as one of the most famous philosophers of our time, Pogo once said; "We have met the enemy, and it is us."

And what we have created, is our own demise.  What shall we all do when the rest quit pretending all is sustainable, in equilibria?  As we are led into the future by clinical sociopaths.

mmlevine's picture

Outstanding commentary.  Kudos.

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

"Epic fail, indeed.  Epic fail of not our fathers or our forefathers, but ourselves, our very own generation.  Indeed as one of the most famous philosophers of our time, Pogo once said; "We have met the enemy, and it is us."

Beginning Tuesday morning I'm going to begin publishing a 5 part series here on ZH discussing this subject in great depth. Just polishing parts 4 and 5 now. I wanted to complete it before I started publishing so I can devote my time to the comments that I'm sure will be left.

It haven't decided if I'll publish a section each day or every other day. They will be long reads, of around 6,000 words each. Based upon your comments I suspect you will enjoy it. This will not be a blame the victim diatribe. But we can't point fingers elsewhere without examining ourselves. And I'm just as involved in this as others so this won't be blaming others.

The working title has now been set.

"Welcome to the Insane Asylum - Our Collective Psychosis"

tip e. canoe's picture

my 2 pieces o'eight : 3 is a magic number.

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

:>)

You're welcome to stop reading anywhere you wish. But don't let the title lull you into thinking this will be overkill on a narrow subject. This will be a wide ranging discussion into many areas of thought most people simply don't contemplate, to the determinant of us all. But then again, most of my articles are exactly that. I think most will enjoy it based upon the feedback I've received from my test subjects, who have all survived to this point. ;)

I personally think it's about time we not only think outside the box (a tired old phrase that really means you move from a size 2 box to a size 3 box when you could actually go as high as a size 50 box) to completely off the reservation. After all, if we really are all insane, than who can determine what is sane or insane and thus inside or outside the box?

RabidLemming's picture

I look forward to your missive but here you are preaching to the chior.  It is the sheep with their big screens, bottled water, sports teams that we need to speak too.  We, unfortunately do not have the resources to save the world. 

bullets, beans and bandaids...

tip e. canoe's picture

cog dis, sorry to be so abtuse before, but what i meant was maybe 3 days btw chapters.   takes that long for a healthy psychotic conversation to simmer, yes?   but thanks for the offer to jump in & out of the pool at my leisure.   me likes freedom.

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

:>)

"Oh, I see" said the blind man.

I don't think you were being obtuse. I just didn't reread what I wrote and what you were responding to. If I had, your answer would have been obvious.

Thanks

DaveyJones's picture

think outside the box before we end up in one

looking forward to that kind of thinking

Almost Solvent's picture

Us under 30 generation were screwed before we were even born.

Same goes for the unborn generation.

nuinut's picture

Those who can think for themselves have always, and will always, create their own reality.

derp's picture

or rely on others to create if for them

kimyo's picture

maybe you should go by 'almost soylent'.

Willzyx's picture

The world was spiraling out of control long before anyone under 30 even had a chance to make a difference.  If there is one thing about this crisis that reassures me, it is the thought that when all is said and done, I am convinced it will be someone(s) from this age group that lead us out of the darkness and into a better life.

Z's picture

Once a week.

We'll need one day to read it a dozen or so times.

Then read it everyday thereafter again so it can sink in + comments.

bc0203's picture

May I suggest CD that you release each new post as the discussion on the prior one fade out?  Who knows, some of the responses from fellow "crazies in this asylum" might just inspire edits as you go along...

w a l k - a w a y's picture

I agree. With readers all over the globe (Philippines here) it takes time for everyone to have time to read, and possibly comment while the comments are still active and the article appears in the first one or two pages of the blog.

I've left one or two comments which were near or at the end -- and the thought then arises, 'why bother, nobody is going to read it'.

Cognitive Dissonance's picture

That's always a problem and one I find frustrating. Things go stales very quickly here on ZH, where 12 hours is old and 24 hours is dead as a door nail. ZH Attention Deficit Disorder

I will be adding the links to prior series articles to the next (parts 1 and 2 links will be a part of 3 etc) so there will be some cross reference for people to go back. This might encourage people to go back and check for older comments.

I suspect many will print them out and read them while on the throne. A few will even use the articles while there. :>)

Z's picture

The interlinking of parts is a good idea.

The thing is the current ZH design/format does not lend (no pun intended) itself fully to its objective(s)

But I can't advise on Drupal. Wordpress is my forté.

Wordpress 3 is to be released. Might be worth a look.

(I've been researching website development over the years in order to launch a few hundred websites in 2011)

Willzyx's picture

It is very difficult to reference articles even a day or two old.  A "back issues" section, organized by date, week, month could be helpful.  The only reference section is the glossary, which uses the tags.  Or tracking one's comments.

Apostate's picture

Well-said.

Do understand, however, that you're fighting against years of propaganda training.

It's like trying to get someone to quit heroin cold-turkey in a society full of junkies. It takes a lot of effort.

Imagine if ZH ran some commercials on cable... you could probably buy up some late night timeslots on the cheap.

That's actually a pretty good idea... :P

tip e. canoe's picture

hell, goto manhattan neighborhood network and get late nite airtime for free baby free.  and oui oui, tis a wicked idea.  imagine homies flippin the channels late nite and stumblin on 100 trillion dollar pyramid after gettin a mad buzz on in the club?  

priceless.

w a l k - a w a y's picture

Whatever happened to this idea?

 

by CD
on Thu, 05/06/2010 - 10:42
#333772

 

From your lips to the ears of millions... Now if it weren't so difficult to explain in bite-sized, digestible yet amusing and funny 30-60 second bits... We need (truly) viral videos on Monetary Structure 101. Utter nonsense like the stuff below draws plenty of eyeballs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owGykVbfgUE (avg. 96K views / day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haHXgFU7qNI (avg. 263K views /day)

Like I said earlier, I should stop trying to hope... But what if (assuming everyone actually watched these clips in full each time) those ~300K man-hours had been used for some creative, meaningful activity?

It takes a bit of spend on the creative, very sharp writer(s) and/or (pseudo)celebrity endorsement. Then incubationary exposure in MSM, followed/accompanied by dedicated seeding of links to the video (the few hundred thousand ZH readers would do a swell job) - and presto.

CD's picture

I got no takers to collaborate. The idea still stands, but I've been busy enabling some greedy, dirty corporate clients try to get away with the old "who are you going to believe, me or your own two lying eyes?" bit. While I am getting a bit sick of it, I do need the revenue. But if anyone is interested/able to participate, I am more than happy to help.

Dapper Dan's picture

"How may times has that thesis found deaf ears, skepticism, even retorts of conspiracy theorist, nut job and tin foil hat man, yet only within months, the result proving itself true?  And strangely, no bizarrely interestingly, simply accepted by the same who'd called us out as just now, seemingly acceptable.  Repeat, time and time again as the transgressions, nay, the sins multiply in magnitude, visibility and audacity".

 

This shit is going to be printed and put on the front of the refrigerator.

"Bizarrely interestingly"  say that 5 times.

Good work Knukles.

 

Dapper Dan's picture

*UPDATE*  I apparently signed a prenup years ago that has been recently brought to my attention.   In summation... I am not allowed to pin up certain articles down loaded from the Internet on the refrigerator with out prior approval. 

 

Will get back to you later. D.D.

JW n FL's picture

"Kill'em all and let God sort them out!" is a quote that sprang to mind...

tip e. canoe's picture

jw, would your mind spring if God was actually a goddess?

hypothetically speaking of course...

chistletoe's picture

If memory serves me correctly,

the queen of hearts used to think of six impossible things

 before breakfast ...

 

http://quoteoftheday.groups.vox.com/library/post/6a00e398d088dc000301101...

CD's picture


Black & Veatch Chief Executive Len Rodman, whose company does engineering for energy projects, said huge tragedies have changed the trajectory of the energy business before, such as the partial core meltdown in a unit at Pennsylvania's Three Mile Island nuclear power plant in 1979.

"That disaster literally put a stop to nuclear power in the U.S.," Rodman said at the summit. "I'm not sure Three Mile Island was as big as what has happened (in the Gulf)."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64Q4LS20100527?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r1:c0.272841:b34487604:z0

While the fine folks at the respective companies involved (BP, Halliburton, Transocean) are, I'm sure, more than capable of creating the unfolding outcome on their own. But what if... what if... Is it a diversion from something, or a way to force said energy policy change? 

Alienated Serf's picture

BP, haliburton, the bushies, the oil cartel will buy airtime and a politician to lead a stadium full of people chanting "DRILL BABY DRILL~~!!"  and then they will twist some patriotic narrative about domestic oil; if not too many birds die, they will win.

 

MsCreant's picture

That would make them the most horrific criminals who ever walked the earth. Execution would not be enough.

I could not resist this from Discipline and Punish by Michel Foucault. 

http://foucault.info/documents/disciplineAndPunish/foucault.disciplineAndPunish.torture.en.html

 

On 1 March 1757 Damiens the regicide was condemned "to make the amende honorable before the main door of the Church of Paris", where he was to be "taken and conveyed in a cart, wearing nothing but a shirt, holding a torch of burning wax weighing two pounds"; then, "in the said cart, to the Place de Grève, where, on a scaffold that will be erected there, the flesh will be torn from his breasts, arms, thighs and claves with red-hot pincers, his right hand, holding the knife with which he committed the said parricide, burnt with sulphur, and, on those places where the flesh will be torn away, poured molten lead, boiling oil, burning resin, wax and sulphur melted together and then his body drawn and quartered by four horses and his limbs and body consumed by fire, reduced to ashes and his ashes thrown to the winds" (Pièces originales..., 372-4).

"Finally, he was quartered," recounts the Gazette d'Amsterdam of 1 April 1757. "This last operation was very long, because the horses used were not accustomed to drawing; consequently, instead of four, six were needed; and when that did not suffice, they were forced, in order to cut off the wretch's thighs, to sever the sinews and hack at the joints...

"It is said that, though he was always a great swearer, no blashemy escaped his lips; but the excessive pain made him utter horrible cries, and he often repeated: 'My God, have pity on me! Jesus, help me!' The spectators were all edified by the solicitude of the parish priest of St Paul's who despite his great age did not spare himself in offering consolation to the patient."

Bouton, an officer of the watch, left us his account: "The sulphur was lit, but the flame was so poor that only the top skin of the hand was burnt, and that only slightly. Then the executioner, his sleeves rolled up, took the steel pincers, which had been especially made for the occasion, and which were about a foot and a half long, and pulled first at the calf of the right leg, then at the thigh, and from there at the two fleshy parts of the right arm; then at the breasts. Though a strong, sturdy fellow, this executioner found it so difficult to tear away the pieces of flesh that he set about the same spot two or three times, twisting the pincers as he did so, and what he took away formed at each part a wound about the size of a six-pound crown piece.

"After these tearings with the pincers, Damiens, who cried out profusely, though without swearing, raised his head and looked at himself; the same executioner dipped an iron spoon in the pot containing the boiling potion, which he poured liberally over each wound. Then the ropes that were to be harnessed to the horses were attached with cords to the patient's body; the horses were then harnessed and placed alongside the arms and legs, one at each limb.

"Monsieur Le Breton, the clerk of the court, went up to the patient several times and asked him if he had anything to say. He said he had not; at each torment, he cried out, as the damned in hell are supposed to cry out, 'Pardon, my God! Pardon, my Lord.' Despite all this pain, he raised his head from time to time and looked at himself boldly. The cords had been tied so tightly by the men who pulled the ends that they caused him indescribable pain. Monsieur le [sic] Breton went up to him again and asked him if he had anything to say; he said no. Several confessors went up to him and spoke to him at length; he willingly kissed the crucifix that was held out to him; he opened his lips and repeated: 'Pardon, Lord.'

"The horses tugged hard, each pulling straight on a limb, each horse held by an executioner. After a quarter of an hour, the same ceremony was repeated and finally, after several attempts, the direction of the horses had to be changed, thus: those at the arms were made to pull towards the head, those at the thighs towards the arms, which broke the arms at the joints. This was repeated several times without success. He raised his head and looked at himself. Two more horses had to be added to those harnessed to the thighs, which made six horses in all. Without success.

"Finally, the executioner, Samson, said to Monsieur Le Breton that there was no way or hope of succeeding, and told him to ask their Lordships if they wished him to have the prisoner cut into pieces. Monsieur Le Breton, who had come down from the town, ordered that renewed efforts be made, and this was done; but the horses gave up and one of those harnessed to the thighs fell to the ground. The confessors returned and spoke to him again. He said to them (I heard him): 'Kiss me, gentlemen.' The parish priest of St Paul's did not dare to, so Monsieur de Marsilly slipped under the rope holding the left arm and kissed him on the forehead. The executioners gathered round and Damiens told them not to swear, to carry out their task and that he did not think ill of them; he begged them to pray to God for him, and asked the parish priest of St Paul's to pray for him at the first mass.

"After two or three attempts, the executioner Samson and he who had used the pincers each drew out a knife from his pocket and cut the body at the thighs instead of severing the legs at the joints; the four horses gave a tug and carried off the two thighs after them, namely, that of the right side first, the other following; then the same was done to the arms, the shoulders, the arm-pits and the four limbs; the flesh had to be cut almost to the bone, the horses pulling hard carried off the right arm first and the other afterwards.

"When the four limbs had been pulled away, the confessors came to speak to him; but his executioner told them that he was dead, though the truth was that I saw the man move, his lower jaw moving from side to side as if he were talking. One of the executioners even said shortly afterwards that when they had lifted the trunk to throw it on the stake, he was still alive. The four limbs were untied from the ropes and thrown on the stake set up in the enclosure in line with the scaffold, then the trunk and the rest were covered with logs and faggots, and fire was put to the straw mixed with this wood.

"...In accordance with the decree, the whole was reduced to ashes. The last piece to be found in the embers was still burning at half-past ten in the evening. The pieces of flesh and the trunk had taken about four hours to burn. The officers of whom I was one, as also was my son, and a detachment of archers remained in the square until nearly eleven o'clock.

"There were those who made something of the fact that a dog had lain the day before on the grass where the fire had been, had been chased away several times, and had always returned. But it is not difficult to understand that an animal found this place warmer than elsewhere" (quoted in Zevaes, 201-14).

 

RichardENixon's picture

Hey, why should this Damiens guy have all the fun?

knukles's picture

Oh yeah, that and several like it.  And upon circulating it for comment to friends in the energy business and others, got the standard WTF, you're a conspiracy theorist, tin foil hatter, crazy man dismissal response. 

Encore!

Bolweevil's picture

derp=exopthalmosis, but sharp as a tack! bravo. 

M.B. Drapier's picture

If not, the well will produce even more due to the fractures induced from the blast with the possibility being that the oil would be radioactive.

You couldn't make it up.

Kali's picture

Edwin Teller, one of the nuke crazies suggest blasting NG wells with nukes to get the gas out.  OOPS!  Didn't think about radioactive NG not usuable for domestic use.  They lost money on that bright idea.

chistletoe's picture

I am still trying to fathom this sentiment:

the russians did it, therefore its a good idea.

 

Here's an interesting russian experiment:

http://www.vacationideas.me/asia/the-door-to-hell-burning-gas-crater-dar...