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Matt Simmons Tells Bloomberg Only Way To Contain Oil Leak Is With Small Nuclear Bombs, "Top Kill" Is Just A Distraction
In his May 28th interview with Bloomberg's Mark Crumpton and Lori Rothman, Matt Simmons of energy investment bank Simmons & Company, provides some stunning revelations on what is really occurring in the Gulf of Mexico, and proposes that the only effective way to contain the leak is to relieve BP, bring in the military, and do what the Russians have done on comparable occasions, namely explode nuclear weapons within the wellbore. Simmons knows what he is talking about. As Jim Bianco points out: "Matt Simmons gained fame with his book 2005 Twilight in the Desert where he claimed that the Saudis were overstating their oil output because they hit “peak oil.” Right or wrong Simmons claimed the price of oil was going to skyrocket and three years after the book’s release the crude oil hit $147/Barrel. In January 2009 the WSJ called Simmons one of the five most important voices in the oil industry. Simmons has been wrong in the past and his views are non-conventional and often correct. Simmons is also highly connected within the oil industry so he knows who to talk to verify his claims." In addition to his radical solution, Simmons also points out that "Top Kill" is a sideshow and the real problem is 5 to 7 miles away, where a second fissure is "releasing a plume the size of Delaware and Maryland combined." If Simmons is indeed right, and the only recourse left to Obama is to nuke the seabed, the repercussions for his already shaky political situation will be tremendous.
h/t Jim Bianco and The Intel Hub
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ECOCIDE, is the word that should be used here. perhaps the nationalization of B.P's North Americian assets would almost be enough to compensate for the damages wrought.oh yeah,send the Board of directors to "fucking booming 101" class and let them see first hand what they have done...
BP won't release the seismic data showing geology of sea floor strata. Formations are generally sand, with top layers "muck". Sinking a Navy battleship or nuking it might explode, not implode, making lateral fissures and more leaking blowouts in the vicinity.
There are probably more lawyers per square foot in that region than BP oil cleanup workers
Send a bunch of lawyers down there to hold on to the nuke so it doesn't float to the suface.
hmmm... let's see.... we have one huge environmental catastrophe that we're going to solve by detonating a NUCLEAR BOMB in a ecologically sensitive area because the Soviets, er... Russians, being the sound and responsible environmental stewards they are, allegedly had good luck with a similar exercise.... Yep.... sounds like a game winner to me
Ya it's much better that they just do stupid things they know wont work to appear to be doing something because they don't have the guts to come out and say. We can't fix this. And it's so deep I doubt they can even drill a relief well in time. Once enough high pressure crushing depth water gets into that well it will blast the relatively light and fluffy oil out like a volcano. This leak is as guaranteed to grow as Geitners list of laughing chinese students.
"Geitners list of laughing Chinese students" Now that's good. Bet they're not laughing at this one though
Been looking at the live BP cam the past few minutes. Maybe it is just my eyes but there seems to be considerably more pressure behind the flow now.
Cover up the real leak is great for Obama's reputation, what will be best fun is to hear the guy trying to convince everybody else that BP hid the truth from him.
Bring the freaking nuke already. Is not like we are nuke virgins
Doesn't the US have a non nuclear bomb that can shut it? What about the mother of all bombs?
Even Russia has one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2FGA3Z-oYM
Always had a lot of respect for Matt Simmons. Not sure if he has lost his mind or if there is more to the story than we are aware. Have asked the experts on The Oil Drum for an opinion on Simmon's comment but have not seen a response yet.
Great idea guys. A radioactive oil volcano.
PS: 80% is good for the Soviets.
Or we can go with 100% fail, until and when a relief well is ready.
can we nuke katla and any other dormant volcanoes to get them going? this fiasco we call civilization is gettin old.
Amazingly, even this FUBAR situation will not be enough for the MSM to begin to criticize Obama.
1) Obama wins election by running AGAINST the idiotic DrillBabyDrill crowd, promising to protect America's natural resources.
2) Less than one year into his term, Obama betrays his base (again) and supports additional, new offshore deep water drilling for oil.
3) Less than one month after becoming a DrillBabyDrill advocate, the Gulf springs a big leak (or two or three) and Obama merely defers responsibility/action to BP and the oil industry.
4) A full month later (immeasurable damage already done) and the oil leak/spill seems to be growing, and Obama decides it might be time to actually get involved, but not take responsibility.
5) stay tuned...
Someone explain to me how the honeymoon b/t the press and the White House can continue in light of Obama becoming the best neo-con president since W.? Just curious.
If I were a typical liberal Obama voter, I would be absolutely ENRAGED at this point...
War? escalated.
Health Care? For-profit & mandatory.
Financial reform? Toothless & laughably inadequate.
Energy independence? More drilling + more nuclear.
Torture? Guantanamo still open!
Crimes of the previous administration? Swept under the rug.
Better, more efficient Gov't? Largest deficits in history + we now own GM.
Can someone explain to me how this president is an improvement over the previous idiot-in-chief? Because I'm having a hard time understanding how/why all of those Obama voters are now strangely silent, given they've been stabbed in the back a dozen times in less than 18 months by their great agent of 'hope & change'.
Obama = greatest bait-and-switch since Clinton.
Will millions of liberals admit their mistake and leave the democratic party (the way millions of betrayed republicans have left their party)? If not, then dem. voters are giant hypocrites - on par with Obama himself.
The US general public prefers to see the fleet moving to Iran to prepare a good war against Muslims than sealing an oil spill. The US citizens do not care: they can emit enough credits to suck up all the food and some brownies will have to die mouth gape open.
A win/win situation.
Cant blame a president to do what his populace desires.
Public opinion is lobsided AGAINST continued/add'l. war.
Thus Obama/TPTB are marching directly against the will of the people, which is exactly what the guy promised to NOT do when he was campaigning just 18 months ago.
If you think a majority of the US public supports continued war and military intervention anywhere/everywhere, then you are misinformed... There's a million polls to prove it... not even close...
Yes, yes and a majority did not support slavery in the US...
I dont confuse a vocal minority and the active majority.
It does not seem to me that the stream of young US citizens willing to embark on a journey to wars in the ME dwindling, as they are eager to kill for fun and get their free entitlements.
Polls only state what the buyer of them want them to tell.
Prefer to look at actions than opinions and in their actions, the US citizens support the wars. More than support, they wish them.
You dont want something to happen? Dont participate. It is as simple as that. It does not mean to me that US citizens are struck with no options when it comes to joining the military. How many of them are starving before they join the military and take a tour in ME to join the killing party?
dp
Venezuela, Russia agree plans for nuclear power plant project - Chavez
http://en.rian.ru/world/20100403/158417699.html
Venezuela is one of the world’s largest exporters of crude oil and the largest in the Western Hemisphere. In 2008, the country was the eighth-largest net oil exporter in the world.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Venezuela/Background.html
· Venezuela's Oil-Based EconomyAuthors:
Cesar J. Alvarez
Stephanie Hanson
· Updated: February 9, 2009
o Introduction
o Venezuela's Economy under Chavez
o PDVSA
o Spending the Oil Money
o PDVSA's Production Levels and Fiscal Health
o Regional Ventures
o U.S.-Venezuela Oil Ties
http://www.cfr.org/publication/12089/#p4
Iran nuclear plant to start by August: Russian official
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100520/wl_mideast_afp/irannuclearpoliticsunrussia_20100520165722
According to Oil and Gas Journal, as of January 2010, Iran has an estimated 137.6 billion barrels of proven oil reserves, or roughly 10 percent of the world's total reserves.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Iran/Oil.html
Among the parties with a keen interest in the nuclear standoff between Iran and the UN Security Council are foreign investors. Iran is an energy bonanza (NYT) in their eyes: Its underdeveloped oil and gas fields, the world’s second largest, need outside expertise, capital, and technology.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/12661/irans_dire_oil_straits.html
You are so... Popular with you thinking... to bad its the short sighted Sheople version you are spewing... BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! Good lil stupid sheep, hound dog vigilante.
Nice rundown.
And as one let me just say "given they've been stabbed in the back a dozen times" screaming for the hospital OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
+1
great post. unfortunately the mainstream media do a superb job at obscuring all of those basic conclusions from public consciousness.
Has it ever occured to you that the politicians are not in control? Parabolic debt is a consequence of the design of our monetary system. War and DrillBabyDrill is the consequence of declining US oil reserves, and a populace unwilling to change their lifestyle. The oil spill is an expected consequence of pushing the limits of physics and complexity. Just sayin' there may be more to this story than first meets the eye.
"Just sayin' there may be more to this story than first meets the eye..."
I agree. But this does not change the FACT that our president is doing everything in his power to maintain the seriously flawed status quo that you describe... despite campainging and promising to achieve the exact opposite.
I'm not blaming Obama for all of these problems (decades/centuries in the making). I blame him for 1) complete incompetance, and 2) hypocricy of the highest order.
I may not agree with everything the Tea Party folks stand for, but I admire and respect the Tea Party movement because it is HONEST. Many conservatives felt betrayed and embarrassed by the W. Bush presidency, but rather than remain a voiceless flock of sheep on the GOP pasture these brave people walked through the gate and started a movement.
Betrayed liberals should be so brave... they now have equal/stronger justification to do so...
The "Ragin Cajun" is pissed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVaS0IK-eDA
Good evaluation.
Obama sold his soul when Hank Paulson brought him in on the "saving our asses" (oops, saving the system maneuver).
In exchange for the $700 billion of taxpayers money, Hank ensured Barry got a few million from Goldman to top off the campaign.
Obama is just another bought and paid for politician in a good suit and a teleprompter. The real power is WS's man Mr. Rammy.
"If I were a typical liberal Obama voter, I would be absolutely ENRAGED at this point"
along with anyone else on the spectrum
Great post. How about
Transparency? Pass the damn bill and we'll tell you what was in it.
Imprisoning the innocent? We're not releasing you Uighurs because we don't want you living in our country. Forget the reason, just enjoy not being tortured by the Chinese.
Increasing the capital gains tax to 28% because it's "fair"? Not after the bankers bought Barry.
At least we still have hope.
You are right Hound Dog Vgilante. Only thing I would delete is the "typical liberal Obama voter". Take the liberal out. I was a Obama voter because he said he was going to try to "change" things. It turned out he had no intention of changing anything. I call him a lying, phony fuck. Sometimes President Oboughtoff. I will never vote for another Democrat for anything ever again for giving this liar their nomination. Republicans are out too. I will vote for third party candidates that can never win. Don't you love all of the choices freedom brings you in America?
"If I were a typical liberal Obama voter, I would be absolutely ENRAGED at this point..."
and I am
he is no improvement!
your assumption we have a functioning free press is flawed. just like the didn't ask W tough Q's they don't ask O either. the msm is part of the problem, not the solution.
don't fall for the left/right sideshow though.
hound dog wins
***** "Can someone explain to me how this president is an improvement over the previous idiot-in-chief? Because I'm having a hard time understanding how/why all of those Obama voters are now strangely silent, given they've been stabbed in the back a dozen times in less than 18 months by their great agent of 'hope & change'.
Obama = greatest bait-and-switch since Clinton.
Will millions of liberals admit their mistake and leave the democratic party (the way millions of betrayed republicans have left their party)? If not, then dem. voters are giant hypocrites - on par with Obama himself." *****
hound dog vigilante,
Don't try to make yourself feel better becuase the rapture did not sweep you away when you Voted for Bush... Obama is Part Deux of Bush... Obama who promised not to let the Lobby into the White House? Obama who has added to Bush's pushes in EVERY POSSIBLE AREA? Obama is a liar, just like every other Beltway member... Nothing new. But that does NOT! excuse your broad stupidity... Make sure you leave the "W" sticker on your car... Pro Life! or my personal fav "is it 2012 yet?".
There will be no change and hope is that treasury can out print reality, that the Corporate owned media can out spin reality and that the dumbing down of the masses, holds... Thats Hope! becuase if those things can NOT! be done... then Martial Law is next. Here's what it looks like when you are fighting the powers that be when Martial Law is enacted... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8DpdKNaEm4&feature=related
And here's the order... http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/12656.html I hope that you Republican's get your families gunned down first... considering these are your Brain Farts come to life! you deserve to get it first, The Rapture indeed..
Enjoy you stupidity come to life Republicans, JW
Mr Simmons always used the modifier "hopefully" with his prescription of using a small nuclear device to seal the well. Hmm..... if it doesn't work then will we have a radioactive oil leak to contend with? Seems a like the risk/reward here might need a little closer examination.
OIL-EATING MICROBES, BITCHEZ!!!
That's my hope too, that bacteria will eat the oil, but keep in mind that, in the process, they deplete the water of usable oxygen, killing everything in the area.
OPERATION TOP KILL CHART:
http://williambanzai7.blogspot.com/2010/05/operation-top-kill.html
I have a hard time believing that BP or anyone would spend millions trying a top kill that they know wouldn't work. My guess is that if the relief wells don't work, then they will go nookler.
Has anyone actually spoken to the Russians who did these operations - I've read a lot of hearsay but no real personal accounts are ever cited.
The only reason BP didn't top kill from day one is the greedy bastards were still trying to salvage the well. They didn't care about the environmental disaster as long as there was a chance that they might regain control of the well and resume making money off it. The Obama administration was complicit because they understood the economic fallout if oil production was hindered. Good short article here on how BP and government officials are blocking news reporters from covering the effects of the disaster.
The media blackout speaks for itself the severity of this disaster. Lets see them play media whackamole when the oil comes ashore across Florida and Cuba.
I agree, the me dia silence is terrifying.
The consequences of this ongoing disaster is beyond the understanding of any of us. If a blowout is impossible because of the geology we have nothing but a godzilasized black swan on the horizon
dp
Your conjecture is absolute nonsense. BP did not know exactly what the problem was. And they probably sitll don't know what the hole conditions are now or the casing conditions. The equipment necessary to deal with what ever they want to do takes time to source and relocate. The way the oil flow is stopped is to "control" the well. Recall that it was under control while being drilled and when the last casing string was set and cemented. A poor cement job, poor monitoring of the tests afterwards, maybe miscalculations of the quantity that should have been run, and failure to run the cement bond logs all combined to cause them to believe the well was still under control and stabilized. They started taking the mud out of the well, removing the pressure that had kept the well under control and keeping the oil from flowing because the person in charge on the rig thought that the well was sealed by the casing and cement. Regaining control can only be done by getting mud and cement back down the well, either from the top down in the Top Kill or from the bottom up with the relief well. A relief well is underway way but must take several months to drill. The Top Kill solution is not a sure thing as the pressures required to bullhead the mud down the well while overcomming the formation pressures and leakages are difficult to calculate and plan for. Further they can themselves damage the equipment at the seabed surface and possibly allow the flow to increase.
The absurdity is that you suspect the solution should be as easy as calling AAA to get your car started.
I think Reductio's point is the god forbid outrageous assertion that the oil companies might put profit before human life. Nothing in history suggests that though :) By the way, check out how many criminal convictions BP has gone down on. If this was a fifteen year old boy, how many would it take before you called him a criminal and he lost all credibility. And, as GW noted earlier, BP was instrumental in putting profit before tragedy in the Exxon Valdez disaster and failed to have the protective skirt available. Sorry Reductio, my fat head couldn't help it.
Excellent analysis. The same detailed analysis applies to any proposed solution including using a nuclear explosion to "polymerize" the sea bed material (this is what a nuclear explosion does, the heat, x-rays, and gamma rays break and then reform the chemical bonds in the sand/rock water, oil gas and other materials essentially forming a glass) This is well known from many nuclear explosions. Glass is alway the resulting material. And glass is impermeable to both liquids and gasses. So, the idea should not be irrationally dismissed as it makes some scientific sense. It will not form a volcano of radioactive oil, that much is certain!
http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/australia/corporate_australia/STAGING/local_assets/downloads_pdfs/a/Aust_kwinana_oil_spills.pdf
***** "The absurdity is that you suspect the solution should be as easy as calling AAA to get your car started. " ***** Augustus
Or????????????????????
BP Gulf of Mexico Regional Oil Spill Response Plan 20 May 2010 10 Comments Regional Oil Spill Response Plan – Gulf of Mexico- 583 pages
- June 30, 2009
17.88 MB***** "Your conjecture is absolute nonsense. BP did not know exactly what the problem was. And they probably sitll don't know what the hole conditions are now or the casing conditions." ***** Augustus
I guess the fact that "BP" had a 500 plus page play book, that was approved by Haliburton... Oops, I mean Bush...
Never mind, Go Vote Bush for 4 more years your fucking freak... I hope the mob takes its time at your house when the lights go out.
British Petroleum was created by the Rothschilds' after the nationalization/re-privatization in the UK by Thatcher, I believe. But you won't find that connection mentioned anywhere in the news ever.
- Nathan Philip Rothschild (1971) Young Nathan is the son of Jacob Rothschild, from whom he inherited innumerable managers, agents, and an influence over the vital political, economic, media and military institutions all over the world, including even the Butrint archaeological site in Albania... The companies and corporations “RIT Capital”, “Atticus Capital”, “JNR Limited”, “NM Rothschild”, “Vanco”, “Trigranit”, “British Petroleum”, Rio Tinto, are only a part of the resources which are at the disposal of the new king in his crusade for the east. To achieve this he has at his service not only the western nomenclature in the EU, NATO, Great Britain, but also numerous financial and political operatives all over Europe and Asia (Soros, Berezovski, Djukanovic, the Mitals...).
From the Junk Shots you've taken it appears that you struck a nerve with this post.
A small private banker and a cleric are naturals at World Economic Forum. It happens all the time, there is nothing unusual here.
Russia-Berel-Lazar.htm">Guest of Honour: The Honourable Mr. Nathaniel Rothschild
My only qualification for speaking tonight is that I am very good friends with Rabbi Lazar. I thank Elliot Shear for sponsoring this event and I thank my friend and business partner David Slager for sponsoring this centre and making it a reality.
I have been going to Russia since 1992, when I was still a student in Oxford. When I began visiting Russia regularly around 2001, I didn’t have much idea about the resurgence of Jewish life. However, I met Rabbi Lazar in Switzerland at the World Economic Forum in Davos and I was struck by watching this figure and we eventually connected and started talking, and from there began a friendship and I started visiting his centre in Russia, many times a year.
man is killing the earth -very sad-only god will save us
The only way to save the planet is to nuke it. Make some space in the dictionary for a few more lines underneath "irony".
What is it with men and nukes? LOL. Good one Quin. I remember a discussion myself and some other scientists in my R&D group were having about powering cars 25 yrs ago. A Japanese (?-wtf! Thinking Hiroshima.) chemist was pushing for mini-nuclear reactors in cars. Yeesh. I asked him how he would make them crash proof. "Oh, didn't think about that".
Ya ya. Madam Curie hated nuclear phenomeon. She only studied it becasue her husband forced and peer pressured her to. Oh wait. Reverse that.
Nice catch.
perhaps it's the other way around. god delivering judgement on us for our continued rebellion against him.
"The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
Maybe if we stopped looking to the magical god to save us and started to take responsibility for our own actions, we may start to make good decisions!
I doubt it. But then I'm an incurable pessimist.
George Bush is super pissed that Obama gets to nuke something and he didn't.
I still think we should send Taliban divers down there to blow themselves up.
funny. Affirmative radioaction
Bush got his, and a lot quicker into his term. only took him 9 months.
Why isn't Chuck Norris down there punching the Hell out of that oil volcano?
Neither Chuck Norris can job with radioactive oil volcanos
+1
So does this mean the price of oil will spike?
Nuke the seabed's. . .Thats bound to make the tree huggers and democrats mad as a hatter
Lets hope this guy has no clue whatsoever about what he is talking about
THE WEST AFRICAN CHIEF
Hello Nana.
Not to mention the people of LA, MS, AL, and FL inundated by an oil-drenched tsunami from the displaced sea floor.
We don't mind. Seriously, nuke away. Don't trouble yourselves about us.
One would think that detonating even a small nuclear charge at the bottom of the ocean would prodoce one hell of a tidal wave after the displacement of all that sea water. At least if the laws of thermodynamics still apply?
Option 1: My Umbrella - Lower a super hardened steel and layered kevlar "umbrella" with a rubber gasket/seal. Lower it into the hole until it hits the reservoir, open the arms (larger than the circumference of the circle drill bore) and the pressure should keep the "umbrella" pushed up against the hole. You could then add cement to the top/inside of the "umbrella" to plug it until the relief well is drilled.
Option 2: Sham Wow - Lower sponges that absorb many times their weight in water/oil that expand rapidly. This would slow the flow of oil.
As long as we are talking unconventional like nukes and golf balls, this could be considered.
To hell with sham wow sponges. Lower the sham wow guy down there. Kill two birds with one well. :>)
No keep him alive. You can use sound waves as a weapon and that dude has plenty
Poor Vince.
Perhaps we could try a slap chop as well?
Nuke or not , I have no useful knowledge ---- although I would fear the unintended consequences and question our ability to do a nuke well
My question and where MS makes sense to me is to at least do something about this underwater plume that he says can be sucked up by the supertankers. I've heard nothing on this subject or if this is even possible.
It was done with an unpublicized Saudi Aramco leak awhile back...
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/could-cleanup-fix-for-gulf-oil-spi...
Tnx for the link. Seems like it should be worth a try.
The former CEO of Shell Oil was on TV last week proposing that plan. BP supposedly rejected it because there is too much shipping traffic in the area. What will happen here is that if the flow isn't stopped soon, the oil spill will become the overriding issue in the world. If this thing is still spewing out oil at this rate in August, the attention and resources of the entire world will be turned to it. That still might not be sufficient to stop it, but that's what it will come down to. The planet's entire ecosystem could be seriously threatened by this thing if it goes on for too much longer.
Does it HAVE to be a nuke? Wouldn't a 'bunkerbuster' , or two, do just as well?!
Bunker buster is too big to go down a well, it must be small and placed very deep, would probably take as long to drill as the relief well presently being drilled.
You need to crush the channel through which the oil is flowing along a big part of its length and melt the rock to seal it. I don't know that you could get enough energy out of conventional bomb that would also be small enough to stuff down the well.
Explosives would be for above ground well on fire where you'd be suffocating it. But the flow would still continue. Blowing up charges below sea floor could create cracks that extend to the reservoir and instead of a 7" pipe with oil and gas gashing out, you'd have the equivalent of a "tree with braches". now try blocking that. He assumes that the water psi and dirt weight would seal it, the 5K ft of water at pipe mouth doesn't seem to do much to the current flow, nor does the mud so far. This well seems to have really high pressures.
You fuck with our Federal Reserve System we give you QE I, you persist in fucking with our Federal Reserve System we give you QE II.
You ‘Americans’ won the revolution, but WE, the British Empire, control your (our) money via the First Bank of the United States, then the Second Bank of the United States and finally via the current Federal Reserve System.
Now WE hereby send you a stern message via one of our shining Knights. BP (British Petroleum) to stop fucking with our Federal Reserve System else WE really get pissed at you and give you another BP.
“while the British view that the American colonies were just colonies to be used and exploited in whatever way best suited the Great Britain, insured that war was inevitable.”
Maybe I've watched too much roadrunner as a kid. So they drill, they sink the nuke, they press the button, and it doesn't go off....
.....
.....
Are you going down there to check it?
Actually it would not go off until....Wiley E Coyote goes over to inspect and jump on it a few times in frustration.
personally I like the ShamWow! idea below... now that's brilliant (and really funny)
"Look out, Well! America's gonna getcha! Gonna go kaboom, it was nice to have met ya -- Because you don't mess around with God's America."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csj7vMKy4EI
Doghouse for sale. In Florida, 62 miles from the Gulf of Mexico on the 28th parallel. Will trade for small doghouse in the mountains.
Black Gold Swan?
Sadly more like a Black Pelican event.
We have the brightest minds in the world working on this and the best they could come up with is golf balls? Maybe they should try basket balls, or bocce balls. It took Thomas Edison 10,000 tries before he found the filament that would work with the light bulb.
I find it hard to believe that a nuclear bomb is going to solve the problem but what the fuck do I know.
Other useful ideas:
-Mighty Putty as a substitute to drilling mud
-Oxyclean as a substitute to corexit
-Mighty Mend It
Because they are not the brightest minds, they are good corporate soldiers or they wouldn't have their jobs. Their job is to obey, not think! Sorta like the military......
"Brightest minds? Remember "Raiders of the Lost Arc?" It's "top men."
The last scene: "We've got top me working on it."
"Top Men?"
[as arc is rolled into a vast warehouse] "Yes, top men ..."
Nuking the Gulf floor is absurd. Check the geology before parroting bullsh!t ideas based on Soviet stories.
Getting a nuke down an 18.3" ID pipe, filled with other broken pipes already, would not be possible anyway.
I used to work with Matt Simmons who is generally regarded as one of the great visionaries in the energy and oil service industry. Matt's approach is one of great and thorough research and data vs. opinion and emotion. However, he is prone to a bit of doomerism and the industry as well as his firm can attest to that. I would love to see the data from NOAA on the large plumes 7 miles from the BOP. If Matt is correct, it is the end of credibility to both the industry as well as our govt.
Sad days in the republic.
If there is a second large crack in the seafloor then the entire deposit will expend without a doubt and we better pray it is only a 50 billion gallon deposit but two things will be assured:
1) I will be cancelling my vacation in August to Aruba
2) I will for the first time look into gold and guns.
tick tack tick tack.
Time is running out my friend, you better make your decision quickly.
Remember, when you first notice the point of no return, it will be behind you
cancel that vacation anyway. you need that money for gold and guns. i'd go camping if i were you.
John, I appreciate your outlook on the various topics that arise here on ZH. That said;
1. There is probably no need to cancel if you are worried about oil contamination; the currents run the other way.
2. Welcome to the club. Shop for amunition first; its nice to have a .45 until you need to reload.
" Matt's approach is one of great and thorough research and data vs. opinion and emotion."
I Would Tend to Believe Matt Simmons
I read "Twilight in the Desert" and still have a copy.
Matt took engineering technical articles and used them to decipher what kind of problems the Saudi engineers were having to help extrapolate his oil production figures since the last ones are from 1979 when US oil firm contracts ran out in Saudi Arabia.
If I were to believe anybody on the technical aspects and what has been done in similar situations... I would believe Matt Simmons.
I would recommend his book to all. It was fascinating reading...
On Simmon, right or wrong ( and no one really knows right now anyway) read his Twilight book, grab a copy of The Long Emergency and you'll be fully informed on fossil fuels.
Has it occurred to anyone that no one wants to nuke the well because the find was so big that no one in power can stand the thought of irradiating it and rendering it unrecoverable? Is that a possibility?
The second plume Simmons talks about sounds ominous. On that point, i hope he is wrong.
What is the nightmare scenario on this leak? Extinction event for some reason?
Ned,
"On that point, i hope he is wrong."
I have read the same thing on other Blogs, I fear he's correct....
It would be very believable, we would not be made aware of same, by the powers that be.
Why don't they just drain the now polluted Gulf of Mexico and leave the oil .....create a new oil sands. Solve all America's needs going forward.
I have sat on several Board of Directors to which Mr. Simmons was a consultant...discount his views at your own peril...the man is a genius and has the best intel in the biz....
Sure doesnt take long before the religious idiots start polluting ( pun intended) a rational discussion of a serious issue. Please someone come up with a `filter`to remove and dispose of the cranks.
organized religion aside, can you blame anyone these days for invoking their "faith?"
Scepticism is the beginning of Faith.
-- Oscar Wilde
Be faithful to that which exists nowhere but in yourself - and thus make yourself indispensable.
-- Andre Gide
Do not put your faith in what statistics say until you have carefully considered what they do not say.
-- William W. Watt
Exercise of faith will be the safest where there is a clear determination summarily to reject all that is contrary to truth and love.
-- Mahatma Gandhi
Every tomorrow has two handles. We can take hold of it with the handle of anxiety or the handle of faith.
-- Henry Ward Beecher
Faith is a process of leaping into the abyss not on the basis of any certainty about "where" we shall land, but rather on the belief that we "shall" land.
-- Carter Heyward
Faith is courage; it is creative while despair is always destructive.
-- David S. Muzzey
Faith is reason grown courageous.
-- Sherwood Eddy
Faith is the strength by which a shattered world shall emerge into the light.
-- Helen Keller
He who has faith has... an inward reservoir of courage, hope, confidence, calmness, and assuring trust that all will come out well - even though to the world it may appear to come out most badly.
-- B.C. Forbes
On a long journey of human life, faith is the best of companions; it is the best refreshment on the journey; and it is the greatest property.
-- Buddha
I liked these Davey.
your back, i print out so much of these posts.
i got a book going.
chapture 1
by Cheeky Bastard on Wed, 05/26/2010 - 13:19
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Yes baby, there you go. Savor your rage, eat it, and spit it on to the dreaming masses. I cant see you, but I know the vein on your forehead must be the size of a gorillas thumb. Drown in your rage. Dont try to swim; dont try to control it. Just....... slide.
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by MsCreant on Wed, 05/26/2010 - 15:21
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Now that's what I call anger management coaching. That shit gave me an electrical buzz, up the back, out the arms, hell even the nips.
The more I talk, the more I lose it. Intellectualizing is anesthesia too.
Slide.
Shit baby, they've whipped us so bad, we have forgotten how to get pissed and be present with it.
my stomach still hurts from laughing so damn hard†
Faith is believing something you know ain't so
--Mark Twain
Everyone's opinions should be welcome, even yours you bottle humping fairy.
You're cute. And right.
holy cow, it is a bottle humping fairy. Tinkerbell IS a lightweight
Let them drivel on and on. When it comes down to fiath and a cup of soup to a starving man. Guess which gets priority.
Philosophy doesn't get a coat hanger in the closet at that point.
Man, there are a lot of people here tonight that know Mr. Simmons. It adds a great deal of credibility to his point. We are are screwed on this oil thing. Next round is on me...
I do not see why conventional explosives lowered would not do the same thing.
The secondary leaks, have largely been ignored.
If these dudes do not get this stopped and soon, we could easily have an ecological disaster, incapable of reversal, esp in our lifetimes.
The sea life, and all the individuals that make a living off of the oceans species, will be done for.
Too bad there's not a fund to short the Gulf, and the coastline.(tounge in cheek).
This deal is really pissing me off( I find it hard to fathom, that TONS of concrete,and aggregates mixed, can't at least slow this to seepage.)...........the leaks we have seen are not that LARGE, unless the biggie is elsewhere.(as alluded to).
Another 30-60 days of this, this will have global impacts.
Some guy over at the Oil Drum claims the pressure is so powerful you could balance a 747 on it maybe 2. How is that for a visual. That is why I constantly laugh when people actually believe we could ever "save the planet". How about save ourselves? The earth his been here long before us and will always self correct and just like free markets all we can do is distort temporarily.
Puny humans
Anyone who listens to Matt Simmons bloviate about his "expertise" on anything having to do with the oil business has rocks in their head. He is wrong on just about anything, and, in fact, his opinions can be used as very accurate contrary indicators. ZH is way off-base, listening to this joker!
Agreed. without revealing toomuch about meself, used to be R&D engineer for a Big Oil Co. that eventually got swallowed up by, you guessed it, BP. The best and brightest dont stay unless you totally sell your soul to the devil and their beliefs, as delusionary as they are. Like I said in an above post, it is like the military, or the Borg. The key is not to get assimilated, however, I am beginning to think resistance IS futile. Whether you assimilate or not, the destruction will sweep you away with it.
It's a Dilbert world out there.
"At 18,000 feet into the bedrock lies the Macondo oil deposit, which, thanks to the Deepwater Horizon accident, is now spewing its crude cargo at between 14,000 and 19,000 barrels of oil a day into the Gulf of Mexico. It is Day 40 of the disaster.
Estimated by BP to hold 50 million barrels, the seam of oil has emptied as much as 740,000 barrels (one barrel is 42 gallons), or about 1.5 percent of the total. Because of the immense pressures of the earth's innards, geologists say, the deposit will completely unload into the Gulf unless the Deepwater Horizon well is capped."
Let's see, if Macondo holds 50M barrels, and say a barrel stands 4', if you laid them end to end, they stretch 200M feet, divided by 5280 feet/mile is 37,878 miles, which is 1.5+ times around the 25,000 miles circumference of the Earth.
That is a large problem.
Only if you consider extinction of most life on the planet, including humans, a large problem.
In other news the zombies have decided that the 10 most important search topics on Yahoo are:
1. Maria Sharapova
2. Kelly Preston
3. Hulk Hoga
4. Tight Pants Ban
5. Todd Bridges
6. Kevin Eubanks
7. Low-Fat Desserts
8. Charlie Sheen
9. Bret Michaels
10. One Laptop Per Child
Here is what the Top 10 Searches Should be:
1. Zero Hedge
2. Is the Fed constitutional?
3.Where did all the jobs go?
4.Will the Oil leak destroy our oceans?
5. Where the hell is this recovery?
6. Is the government buying stocks?
7. Why can't they print the taxes I pay too?
8. Can I survive on Oreos and Raman Noodles for a year?
9. What is a Plutocracy?
10. How fucked are we?
You need to narrow your searches down to two or three key words if you want to rival Sharapova and Tight Pants ban.
He could stick a hot T&A title on it as subterfuge to get more hits. I can see it now. "hey, what happened to my porn!"
BP is using golf balls to try to plug the well. Maybe Maria Sharapova is the top search on Yahoo because BP has put out a call for tennis balls in case the golf balls fail to plug the wells.
I was once a ball boy at a Maria Sharapova tennis match. I spent a hot afternoon running back and forth across the tennis court, scooping up Maria's tennis balls, like when her balls hit the net.
After grabbing Maria's ball and running to the sideline, I would sniff her ball. Oh, the ecstasy!
Talk about the scent of a woman!
She is a complex woman with many beautiful scents, depending on where she has tucked the ball...in her hand...under her armpit... in her blouse pocket near her heaving breasts...in her sweaty waistband....
But Maria's most beautiful scent was from the ball she tucked under her tennis pants on her inner thigh. When I first smelled the exquisite aroma of Maria's thigh sweat on her tennis ball, I keeled over in the hot sun. I hit my head on the tennis court...then I woke up from my dream.
+++++ Your little dream was fun and took my mind off the destruction of our lower half of the country.
And it was so much fun that some thew junk at you.
Yep no smiling allowed.
right on. T A T
scent of a woman beautiful.
she'll be back at Wimbledon
All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club in the London, fitting for the queen that she has become. grass is good†
Robo's Top Three Searches:
1. Stacked Blondes in bathing suits
2. Stacked Brunettes in bathing suits
3. Jugs
i second that one†
i came when i saw her playing henin on the red clay.
hot frickin russian, and dad stopped coming to the tournaments.
thank you , god.
John have you seen Maria Sharapova ...
it okay, if you weren't perpared the human race didn't need them anyways. No sense in fretting about a fly with no wings now is it?
They, up to this point, have served the purpose as retail "investors". Good luck to them and god speed.
And no, there is no room on the farm for you.
as goes Venezuela, so goes Amerika.
itz de nazi in Nationalization b(p)tchz.
Used to be: "Drill, baby, drill".
Now it's: "Nuke, baby, nuke".
Seriously, what will happen if we do the tactical nuke approach, and then a few weeks later a Category5 hurricane comes through. Would it basically suck up all the radioactive water/oil from the gulf and dump it on Louisiana/Mississippi/Alabama/Georgia/Florida, wiping out entire metropolitan areas faster than what any other country or terrorist group ever tried to do?
I dont think you get hardly any radioactive fallout because its exploded way down in the ground.
Treme will have enough material for another 10 seasons.
a better solution to this worthless 2 party system than voting for 3rd party candidates that can't win is keep voting out incumbents every time they come up for election, unless they are proven to be doing the people's business. After 2 or 3 election cycles, they will start to get the message.
That is hopeless and worthless. Too much time, too many suck assed decisions.
You are way too hopeful that this doesn't end baddly and like a romance comdey the boy and girl meet and hook up forever and ever.
I am not as hopeful, nor optimistic. All I see right now are chickens with there head cut off and humans doing what we do naturally. Be morons and total idiots at ignoring incompetence.
Regarding Matt Simmons....
From: Herbert, Bill
To: XXXX
Sent: Wed May 12 20:31:39 2010
Subject: Simmons & Company Views and Clarification
Recent tragic events in the Gulf of Mexico have led to a period of collective introspection for the industry as well as a surplus of opinions. And sadly, the forensic evidence associated with this tragedy is far from complete and will likely take several months to assemble in order to formulate a more complete and informed narrative.
This is a highly-charged environment, as well as an exceedingly fluid one, as the prospects for abating the blowout and mitigating the spill are opaque. All of us are trying to better understand the cause and effect of the tragic blowout in the GOM and the implications for the upstream industry, especially as they relate to energy policy and the regulatory framework in the GOM.
Accordingly, we wish to remind industry participants, as well as our clients and friends, that the views of Simmons & Company International are separate and distinct from many of those being currently expressed by our good friend, founder and former Chairman, Matthew R. Simmons.
Several of the recent statements on the part of Mr. Simmons relating to the Macondo blowout and the implications for the industry and the individual companies involved in this incident are discordant with the views of Simmons & Company International. This accident has tragic consequences for the families of the deceased and injured, and potentially exceedingly serious ramifications for the principal companies involved in the MC252 well in addition to the natural habitat of the broader Gulf of Mexico and Gulf Coast areas. We view this tragedy as an unfortunate and isolated accident for an industry otherwise known for its steadfast devotion to safety. We believe constructive changes will be made in order to further enhance safety and that the future for offshore drilling will remain vital.
Separate and apart from the Macondo blowout, Mr. Simmons’ views and opinions regarding the productivity of the North American unconventional natural gas and oil resource plays are in direct contradiction to the conclusions Simmons & Company International has reached from the in-depth and lengthy research we have conducted on the subject. Our view is that were it not for unconventional gas, the North American natural gas resource base, which is presently witnessing compelling productivity, may otherwise have entered into a period of sustained decline.
While our respective views, historically, have often been in harmony, over the past year they have significantly diverged on some important fronts.
Thank you for your consideration and support.
Respectfully,
Michael E. Frazier
Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer
Simmons & Company International
"We view this tragedy as an unfortunate and isolated accident for an industry otherwise known for its steadfast devotion to safety"
you had me at "isolated"
yep, exactly the type of BS that Mr. Simmons is cutting through.
I am inviting every one of you down to the gulf coast this Monday, bring all the feathers you can, I've invited all our CONgress critters down for a swim.
My prediction for tonight..by tomorrow night Sunday I guarantee you Obama selflessly cancels the rest of his vacation to return to the Gulf. I am 100% certain.
Well tell Harry W to bring more feathers, and see if he has any more of that Hopium, I know he used most of it up early on.
I won't be happy until I get to see a photo-op with him and Michelle scrubbing oil covered birds.
You should be getting your wish relatively soon. If they wait much longer they may end up having to scrub oil soaked humans, and that's not as warm and fuzzy.
That crazy internet rag that claimed this was all the result of a North Korean sub stated 5/1 days ago they would have to nuke it. Strange times indeed.
edit: found the original link: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1367.htm
My vote for soundtrack to the Deepwater Horizon disaster:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMHTjkCJews&feature=related