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  • INTESA SANPAOLO SPA <ISP.MI> SUSPENDED FROM TRADING LIMIT DOWN
  • UNICREDIT <UCG.MI> SUSPENDED FROM TRADING LIMIT DOWN

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Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:40 | 1443644 Fish Gone Bad
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It is hardly fair to put Slovenia up on the same chart as Italy.  Much like Canada, Slovenia isn't even a real country.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:52 | 1443715 carbonmutant
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This time it's different...

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:21 | 1443529 slow_roast
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That's the short selling ban plan B!

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:25 | 1443558 bigwavedave
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must punish those naked longs....

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:27 | 1443573 Sudden Debt
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That trick always does wonder.

But for one reason or the other, those stocks always drop another 20% when trading resumes the next day...

THANK GOD FOR THE PPT CREW! where are those guys anyway?

 

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:32 | 1443601 coppertop
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Leghorn

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:40 | 1443642 snowball777
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Funny how they don't realize that a short ban makes about as much sense as coming home from work and vehemently denying that you had sex with your secretary today before you're even asked.

 

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:22 | 1443530 MsCreant
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No one is allowed to sell anything, got that? Stop your panicking now. Ratings don't matter. Creditworthiness doesn't matter, just stop that selling or the value of the asset will go down, okay?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:24 | 1443547 Cognitive Dissonance
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Interesting how the masters of the universe loved the rating agencies when the Ponzi was in full swing. Now that it's coming apart at the seams, those dirty rotten rating agencies should be hung from the highest pole.

I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:31 | 1443594 wandstrasse
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And I love the smell of cognitive dissonance in the afternoon (CET)

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:59 | 1443764 LeBalance
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If you can smell CD from CET in any part of the day, CD needs a bath.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:26 | 1443954 Cognitive Dissonance
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Well......

I over slept and I was late so.......

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:56 | 1443734 carbonmutant
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Zillow was a good idea on the way up,

Bad idea on the way down...

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:58 | 1443748 francis_sawyer
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Keep giving us your money and don't ever think about selling anything... got that?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:23 | 1443537 oogs66
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this is the real contagion....all the greek stuff was just a warm up....italian banks might be ground zero for the real european blow up

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:25 | 1443559 Quintus
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We can but hope.  The death of that patched-together frankenstein's monster of a currency and the megalomaniacal proto-dictatorship that spawned it will be an event to celebrate across the continent.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:26 | 1443560 Cognitive Dissonance
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....all the greek stuff was just a warm up....

Actually I like my Greek goat's milk warm and direct from the udder.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:27 | 1443570 coppertop
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You pork the goat then you eat him

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:32 | 1443604 Cognitive Dissonance
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Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:36 | 1443620 coppertop
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You can post pictures! You can pork goat.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:40 | 1443648 thunderchief
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That's awsome.  It's a troll under the bridge.  It's nice to see a picture like this, to let us know that all this debt crap is just that, a load of free trade crapo wapo.  Thanks

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:00 | 1443772 francis_sawyer
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I think the 'troll' reference was a REPLY function

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:13 | 1443872 thunderchief
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I'll spin artwork anyway I damm well please!

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:24 | 1443540 SheepDog-One
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Funny how theres no 'limit up' however.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:45 | 1443664 coppertop
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Funny?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:24 | 1443553 HistorySquared
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Good idea. It worked so well last time. 

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:25 | 1443554 A Man without Q...
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Meanwhile in Germany - check out the insurance companies.  Rumors flying about CDS trading, almost AIG redux.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:26 | 1443564 oogs66
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thanks...and that actually makes sense about who has been writing the cds

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:29 | 1443587 A Man without Q...
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AXA down almost 8%, Dexia nearly 9% as well....

All the idiots in a line, all doing things because everyone else is...

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:34 | 1443611 Sudden Debt
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It's not even worth to short Dexia anymore.

When that baby goes down, the euro is gone.

 

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:40 | 1443627 hedgeless_horseman
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No reason to panic.  What time is today's POMO?

Hmmm.  That's funny.  The NYU intern must have forgot to post the new schedule.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:45 | 1443672 TruthInSunshine
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I regret to inform you that there is no formal POMO today. However, we are offering assistance to stem the losses with a continuing re-investment of interest income derived from (further deteriorating) MBS and other (toxic) assets.

While these amounts are approximately 10% to 15% of the amounts (stolen from taxpayers) used during formal POMO treasury purchasing (RICO Operations) that ended July 30th, we hope they are of some consolation.

Sincerely,

The Bernank

bcc:  Timmay Jeetner

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 12:49 | 1444305 jm
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Where Italy goes, so goes France.  Check out French 5Y CDS up 5%+ and BNP equity down 7%...

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:37 | 1443630 dbach
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How do the CDS work? Do they pay the whole nominal value of what they insure (ie $100k in US debt) or just the amount that is impaired (like restructured to 0.6 on the dollar would pay 0.4) or something else?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 13:39 | 1444534 shortus cynicus
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CDS issuers don't have money to pay. They go also default and got bail outed by government that is all time default by definition.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:25 | 1443557 hico11
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Bankers are already making offers for the Circus Maximus and the state-owned pasta factories.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:26 | 1443561 Sophist Economicus
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UNICREDIT, UNICREDIT....Now where have I heard that name before....

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:37 | 1443623 wandstrasse
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forgot who it was, he said Unicredit is 'too big to mention'.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:37 | 1443629 Sudden Debt
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They also sell popcorn that you can prepare in your microwave.

You buy it and when they feel the heat, THEY POP!

 

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:26 | 1443563 Gandalf6900
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I actually don't understand all the fuss...unicredit has exposure to Euro debt for about 60 big ones, while assetts of about 910 big ones...where is the danger again?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:29 | 1443584 SheepDog-One
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Well 60 big ones outside the US is real money where inside the US 60 big ones is now only a few hours worth of Bernanke printing pumping and monetizing.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:38 | 1443638 Sudden Debt
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and it starts with 60 but turn out to be 6000 after 1 month...

 

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:47 | 1443684 Gandalf6900
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but wait, it was the CEO who said there was nothing to worry...might he been lying, naaaaaah

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:30 | 1443585 oogs66
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who cares about their other assets, it is their equity/leverage and how much short term debt they need to roll that is important. 

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:31 | 1443598 Quintus
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How about this from a blogger who used to work for Unicredit

"As the ex Risk Manager of UniCredit Ireland, a subsidiary of Italy's biggest bank, I can confidently say that we are only beginning to see the TIP of the iceberg.  I resigned in 2007 because we were breaking the law by 1,900% of the limit (yes, one thousand and nine hundred percent!).  Although the matter was raised in the Irish senate, the Irish parliament, and more recently - the Austrian parliament (UniCredit owns Bank Austria - Austria's biggest bank), silence prevails. My recent meeting with the Irish Central Bank was another exercise in official window dressing.


UniCredit's shares were suspended from trading last Friday after taking a major hit. But fear not, the current governor of Italy's central bank is about to become the next president of the ECB...

To read more, please visit my blog at:
http://whistleblowerirl.blogspot.com/ "

Based on what this guy says, it appears that the Italians are every bit as good as the Greeks at lying about their financial position.  You might want to take those Asset and Exposure figures you quote with a pinch of salt.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:34 | 1443614 A Man without Q...
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Take it from me, the Italians are far more experienced and creative than the Greeks...

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:45 | 1443666 Gandalf6900
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+100.000

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:27 | 1443574 gianakt
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Beware of Italy imminently announcing that they are going to sell some of there Gold to shore up there books. Gold just did a back test of the failed uptrend line from January.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:49 | 1443701 nathan1234
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No Central bank will sell Gold IMHO. They will be left cold when the new financial system comes up.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:29 | 1443579 lizzy36
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Banning all short selling of financials, circa July 2008,  coming in 3,2,1..........

Cause we all know speculators are to blame. Same as blaming gravity for all plane crashes.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:40 | 1443641 Sudden Debt
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I wonder who bought them on the dip?

 

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:45 | 1443671 Gandalf6900
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ME

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:46 | 1443676 lizzy36
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Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:57 | 1443739 HungrySeagull
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Oh god no. Anything but that....

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:55 | 1443726 wandstrasse
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Lehman, Lehman.... now I recall, I still have some long positions.... shall I sell now? but the chart looks bad, I wait until it goes up again.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:29 | 1443581 PulauHantu29
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I'm having stromboli for lunch ..sort of a sympathy vote.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:30 | 1443591 Tense INDIAN
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just look at the collapse in FTSE MIB...stunning ...840 points ...now

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:33 | 1443607 THE DORK OF CORK
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Maybe its best to enjoy this summer while Europeans still can......soon we will just have the memories.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zaSTehWRZ0

 

 

 

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:35 | 1443619 TradingJoe
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Wait until Intesa and Unicredit are pennies and then scoop them up! Always good for a few 100% before they go belly up for good! Quick trade!

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:37 | 1443628 Fabio
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I`m still waiting for ZH to comment on the P4 Scandal unravelling in Italy:

Why There Is Always A ‘P’ In Italy

http://www.progressivepress.com/blog-entry/why-there-always-%E2%80%98p%E2%80%99-italy

 

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:38 | 1443633 doomandbloom
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why do people want to sell....anything...selling is so bad....so bad...

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:38 | 1443635 steve from virginia
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The EU bailed itself out last Spring to the tune of a trillion euros more or less and bought some time. What did the EU do with the time, children?

 ... um ...

Did it use the time to restructure how it finances itself?

 ... hmm ...

Did it use the time to come up with a comprehensive energy policy so that it could rein in capital flight from Europe to Russia and Saudi Arabia?

 ... uh ...

Did the EU use the time to craft a 'mini- fiscal structure' that would allow the EU as a whole to issue debt and keep the bond market in line? Did it put into place a backup syste that would allow the EU to fund itself outside of the banking cartel? Did the EU take steps to investigate the cartel's actions during the runup to the 2008 credit crunch?

 ... erm ... unh ...

The EU spent hundreds of billions of euros and what does it have to show for the expenditure? Spanish Fernando Alonzo just did win the British Grand Prix, what else?

... mmmm ....

A sorry state of affairs, it looks like the whole mess is going to come crashing down. I hope you enjoy your prosperity while you still have a bit of it left.

Now, you Americans ... you spent $13 trillion to bail yourself out in 2008 and 2009 and you bought yourself some time. What did you do with the time, children?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:55 | 1443679 THE DORK OF CORK
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The ECB is the cartel Steve - the remaining bits of executive control were given away 15 - 20 years ago - Brussels is a expensive illusion necessary for the simple magic tricks effective execution.

The power lies in Frankfurt - I can understand now the contempt that bankers hold for all those 2nd class Princes that pretend to run their countries.

(Berlins abandonment of Nuclear is the icing on the cake and will create a explosive reaction in the Gas market over the next several winters)

The entire experiment is a farce.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:40 | 1443649 snowball777
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Au revoir, Frogs!

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:45 | 1443669 tim73
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It will be great to see blowback from this speculation crap back into UK and USA. Yanks and Brits are trying every dirty trick from the book to undermine eurozone countries while their own houses are beyond fubar.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 12:32 | 1444248 Chuck Mentzel
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+ 9000

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:45 | 1443674 nathan1234
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I think it's time that European banks sell US treasuries and use the money in Europe before the US Treasuries suffer a smilar fate

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:50 | 1443704 Gandalf6900
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thats a great idea...only one problem, they're junk

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:59 | 1443760 nathan1234
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The Fed eats junk

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:04 | 1443803 FeralSerf
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What are they going to sell them for -- US dollars?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 12:36 | 1444263 Chuck Mentzel
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They should sell Treasurys and buy commodities.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 12:39 | 1444259 Chuck Mentzel
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That would be the smartest move if done as stealthily as possible.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:51 | 1443710 r101958
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Where is the US or UK on that chart?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:06 | 1443822 nathan1234
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The US bubble is too big for the chart.

 

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:10 | 1443850 r101958
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touche'

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 12:28 | 1444238 freethinker4now
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Whats all the whoopla about Ireland for, look we have a reaL SMALL circle, don't we?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 12:42 | 1444278 Chuck Mentzel
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So you compare countries with a bank... How about USA and UK with this group?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 13:32 | 1444505 Marcus_Junius_Brutus
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Meanwhile in the UK

Tonight at 9pm there is a vote in Parliament on a further nine-billion pound appropriation for the IMF (to bail out the Euro).

However - with the current newspaper scandal - MPs are feeling greater freedom of expression than usual and there appears to be a planned revolt against the government line. It will probably sneak through but you never know... The nine-billion might just be rejected...

http://order-order.com/2011/07/11/9-2-billion-imf-vote-tonight/

 

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