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Meet America's 51st (Broke) State
It is only fitting that a few days after South Sudan became the newest independent country to join the roster of IMF and World Bank "modernization and industrialization" targets, another Southern version of something should break apart, although some may be surprised that this latest secession is not somewhere in the middle of Africa, but in America's own insolvent back yard. Meet Southern California. "Accusing Sacramento of pillaging local governments to feed its runaway spending and left-wing policies, a Riverside County politician is proposing a solution: He wants 13 mostly inland, conservative counties to break away to form a separate state of "South California.'' Supervisor Jeff Stone, a Republican pharmacist from Temecula, called California an "ungovernable'' financial catastrophe from which businesses are fleeing and where taxpayers are being crushed by the burden of caring for welfare recipients and illegal immigrants." Ah yes, the heart of prosperity that is the Inland Empire, known for such great achievements as Hell's Angels, the most ridiculous excesses of the housing bubble, Del Taco, and... that's pretty much it. This sounds like yet another Swiss Watch plan.
This is what the 51st state would look like:
From SF Gate:
CBS Los Angeles reports:
"Stone said in a statement late Thursday that Riverside, Imperial, San Diego, Orange, San Bernardino, Kings, Kern, Fresno, Tulare, Inyo, Madera, Mariposa and Mono counties should form the new state of South California."
The new state would therefore encompass almost half of California's landmass, leaving out the strip of Southern California counties along the coast including Los Angeles, Ventura and Santa Barbara counties.
This is not the first time California has dealt with plans for secession, but until now most of the proposals have come from the rural counties of northern California where counties have tended to get left behind with state funding.
In fact, in 1941, a campaign to create the new state of Jefferson from several counties in northern California and southern Oregon was on the brink of success. The counties, frustrated from their lack of adequate roads and funding put together the movement, and Jefferson looked to be on track to be the 49th state (Alaska and Hawaii weren't on board yet).
By December, a "Proclamation of Independence" had been circulated and the residents had even elected a governor. But, on the week the Jefferson statehood movement was to make its national debut, the attacks at Pearl Harbor quashed all plans as residents went to work for the war effort.
Since then, every few years these and other northern counties have mounted several more secession attempts, but none have come quite so close to success as the Jefferson movement.
LA Times adds:
A spokesman for Gov. Jerry Brown,
a Democrat, called Stone's proposal a laughable political stunt, saying
the Riverside County supervisors should be more concerned about closing
that county's expected $130-million revenue shortfall in the next
budget year and possible cutbacks to public safety."It's a supremely ridiculous waste of everybody's time," said spokesman
Gil Duran. "If you want to live in a Republican state with very
conservative right-wing laws, then there's a place called Arizona.''
Then again, all politicians do is focus on supremely ridiculous things that are wastes of everybody's time.
But, yes, this will make a great diversion for the country over the next week while the world burns. Unless, of course, Osama is killed for third or fourth time.
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Why is North Mexico all colored in red and blue like that?
Exactly, the new State called Bitchin' Baja California should include the Baja California region, if they can agree for USA to take it over. LOL
Come on Mexico,,,, gift us this. Please. The Coast line there makes Orange County and Santa Monica look like shit holes.
why would you want to ruin the Baja
No shit.
Mexico would suck if all the Nanny Staters had anything to say on ruling it.
The 51st State will go to PR. Tyler don't fuck around with that or we will unleash "el Chupacabra" on you... South California can be #52 after us bitches!
BTW... Don't bring this topic to the island. You will probably end up knifed and raped!
Buenas noches, cargado al Vallejo de Merrimack, Senor. Mi espanol es una mescla de mierda, pero sin duda, puedo decir que esta mas beuno en este estrado de los montanas de Appalachia. Salsa es una musica mas interesante que el tejano.
Please click on "2" for English, amigo.
Another white rum sunset.....
Another white rum sunset.....
"Por Espanol, oprima numero Uno. Por Ingles, oprima numero dos."
There is nothing hotter than Puerto Rican chicks...
You're in, boricuadigm-shift... You're in...
Welcome to USA state hood Puerto Rico!
Stone is right. The Assembly is a joke.
I'd rather take my chances with the cartels than the nanny state.
Yeah, at least the cartels are up front about it
I see little difference between what we have and drug cartels. Both have monopolies on force, are in business for profit and power, and excel at terrorism.
I think you'll get your chance.
But remember that the "nanny state" is probably keeping alive somewhere between 20-40% of the entire United States population.
If you really believe that, be VERY well-armed and soon.
The cartels might be meaner than a snake, but at least they are sane.
No, they are not sane.
NSFW. Graphic Warning.
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2011/04/terror-in-tepic-two-men-skinned-al...
http://www.blogdelnarco.com/2010/12/dejan-dos-cuerpos-descuartizados-fre...
Terrorism is quite sane, or people would have stopped doing it.
It is mother fucking evil, but quite sane.
Well, at least we agree it's mother fucking evil.
I'd rather have a neighbor state ran by nannies than by the cartels but that isn't my case unfortunately.
If SHTF they'll bring Mad Max Más allá de ThunderDomo to our side of the border.
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2011/06/zetas-kidnap-in.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/americas/mexican-cartels-now-using-t...
Oh yeah. I truly think, if TSHTF, you'll probably get a split of California, with the "La Raza" types (of whom I see a ton out here!) handing conservative Cali to Mexico -- and then, here come the drug cartels.
Then, a rioting LA comes into play, and look out!
Agreed. As you've already seen (since TSHHTF on smaller levels already in cities like Chicago), the unruly mobs are beginning to form.
At least with an organized structure, you might be able to survive (and even thrive!) dealing with them.
If a mob comes to your door to ransack, rape, pillage and plunder, you're probably dead as it is.
Rite'O Cheesy ! Love it! U got it! No Way LA is gonna go to the North.
This is Latino Territory, Man. Make that map all Green & White & Red on the coast to all the Way To San Jose (included).
It won't be green and white and red. It will flow red, though, when the zetas, latin kings, 18th street gang, la raza nation, latin eagels, et al get to decidin' who owns what.
For now the Cauc'Asians have the best property - along of course with the chosen ones.
For now the Cauc'Asians have the best property - along of course with the chosen ones.
Those pudknockers take a back seat to the SEIU. Please get your facts straight. ;)
That's essentially it. You'll basically have today's street gangs being tomorrow's tribal overlords.
And I do think that day is coming frighteningly soon.
Frankly, I'm surprised it hasn't been already here in California for two years or so, but they've been able to paper it over just enough.
Expect an Aztlan style Gaza prison camp to become what was once LA. The military will cut off the few roads and hwys out of the LA basin and the populace will feed on each other until they have no fight left. Those that make it through the wire and south toward Camp Pendleton will become practice fodder in the artillery range (this already occurs), while those that go East will dry up like human beef jerky.
Perhaps then LA becomes a permanent Western penal colony, where those either unfit to work or too violent go to get killed off by the millions?
there's an easy fix for California and N.Mexico.
Just knock down the Hoover Dam, done, done.
Right on, we'd have great futbol aka soccer, college football, and beach BBQ's all the way down to Cabo baby!
Give me some street tacos and cold cerveza and think they'd control all of the tequila growing areas of the world!
Yeah, they do such good job with what they have.
CB,
Maybe the red designates the mestizos and the blue los indios
seems about right, no?
Looks to me like los indios have the whole thing
http://pewhispanic.org/states/population/
I like how this dippyshnitz got enough blue up north to at least get some water rights. HEY SOCAL TARDS...GUESS WHAT?!? You are a desert that acts like a rain forest...so break yourself off and see how you survive off of thirsty dirt and Hollywood. The only thing you have that I am interested in is the valley...where all the porn stars live. WINNING!
Redirect the Colorado and SoCal dies.
They're trying to emulate North Dakota and South Dakota ;)
There's a Consitutional prohibition on creating a new state from territory within the boundaries of an existing state: http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A4Sec3
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State;
Of course, the Great Destroyer Lincoln ignored this when certain mountainous counties of Virginia wanted to stay in the Union and illegally invade the Confederacy. Lincoln was more than happy to oblige, having already shredded the Constitution by invading Virginia. Most of you don't know this, but Virginia's Constitutional ratification resolution includes reserving the right to leave. As Virginia was originally accepted to the Union under these preconditions, she had the right to leave anytime she chose, and the traitor Lincoln had no right to invade her.
"We, the delegates of the people of Virginia, duly elected in pursuance of a recommendation from the General Assembly, and now met in Convention, having fully and freely investigated and discussed the proceeding of the federal Convention, and being prepared, as well as the most mature deliberation hath enabled us, to decide thereon, Do, in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia, declare and make known, that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States, be resumed by them whensoever the same shah be perverted to their injury or oppression, and that every power, not granted thereby, remains with them, and at their will; that, therefore, no right, of any denomination, can be cancelled, abridged, restrained, or modified, by the Congress, by the Senate or House of Representatives, acting in any capacity, by the President, or any department or officer of the United States, except in those instances in which power is given by the Constitution for those purposes; and that, among other essential rights, the liberty of conscience and of the press cannot be cancelled, abridged, restrained, or modified, by any authority of the United States.
West Virginia can suck my dick. So can Lincoln-philes.
West Virginia is an unconstitutional state. Anyway, if Southern California wants to become a reality, first we must have a civil war., and then southern cali must promise to side with the destroyers and ignore the Constitution. Since they're apparently conservatives in those southern counties, they'd no doubt be OK with that.
I support the desire for free people to govern themselves, regardless of what a piece of paper thousands of miles away might say.
You should quote the entirety of the Article IV, Section 3, if you are going to quote it.
The Consent of the Legislature(s) of the State(s) concerned as well as of the Congress being a key phrase. I point this out as a concerned resident of the would-be State of Jefferson. http://www.jeffersonstate.com/
What's this Constitution thing y'all are yappin' about. This is Obama country!
"This is Obama country!"
I, err ahh, would like to, errr uhhh, say, uh thanks for that.
We, ahhh err, have learned a great deal, errr, about it, ahhh, over these, uh, last few years ;-)
mayhem - it seems, from public discourse here and elsewhere, this is everybody against everybody country - is it not so?
It seems the plan.
Why else would the public schools have been teaching hate for capitalism, and white males for so many years?
C'mon, don't blame public schools and don't be paranoid. Everybody loves capitalism and white males. Aren't you watching Hollywood movies anymore? They're all about how motivated young white males kick ass for the empire and the corporations and get the pretty girl as reward and get to pop babies in the suburbs and have all this cool stuff that the oursourced US corporations bring home to the US consumer tribe from China.
You couldn't have missed that, could you?
Of course it is true that US corporations have laid off 30 Million males of whatever colors the past generation. It is also true that US corporations don't really need a whole lot of males of any color, precisely because they have outsourced all manufacturing to China.
So when will US males, white and otherwise, realize that the Disneyland fairytales they have been told about capitalism left out important details about capitalism's intrinsic itch to outsource, chase cheap labor, create cartels and monopolies - and sacrifice its own national laborers - of any gender and color - in its ungodly and inhuman lust for money ???
Anyone who experiences paranoia and or anger, needs to identify the real source of their frustrations. In this case, I for one, place the blame squarely on global capitalism and its elite orchestrators, because logically, power resides at the top, not the bottom - and, consequently, blaming fellow working/middle class people, who equally try to just survive, is in my opinion misplaced.
Who manipulates capitalism into something destructive, something it ideally should not be?
Why capitalists, of course.
Ah capitalism, I hardly knew ya!
Ahh, utopia dreams are great, huh?
Now it is, time to reap the whirlwind.
Save for the Bible itself, the Constitution is the greatest document ever abandoned by mankind in its history.
I should keep my /sarc/ on for those less familiar with my antics.
In happier news, just had a nice delivery of gold maples this morning. Will shine them up and merge with the rest. :D
"I point this out as a concerned resident of the would-be State of Jefferson."
I am also a resident of the would be state of Jefferson. Howdy neighbor.
Did you not see the semicolon? It is the end of the relevant phrase.
"New states may be admitted by the Congress into this Union, but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state;
The "Consent of the Legislatures" wording is only relevant to the part that follows.
ESL, right?
Who cares, right? It's like the real meaning of 2A. People love to misrepresent it. All one needs to do to understand the real meaning though is to read Virginia's Bill of Rights Article 13.
Don't sell it short. The Central Valley is a shit ton of agricultural wealth.
At least until the environazis kill it once, and for all.
Without a doubt this is well needed and going to continue to be the case. So long as people are forced to hold up those they don't want to, they're going to leave and rebel.
The agricultural wealth there is immense, however, it has been strangled over years of moronic california policies.
What the hell do all of these people from immensely different geographical locations have in common? Nothing. Its like saying New York (its own quagmire) should be attached and governing over south carolina.
The same could be said of South Florida and North Florida. Pass Ocala and it's a different world.
You haven't been through Ocala lately, have you?
South on I-75 to SR 40, turn right. Look.
Then head leisurely about 20 miles east to Dunnellon. Look. Dead horse farms ("Ocala - Horse capital of the World!").
Dead. So it goes.
CW
The "environazis" are far less of a threat to the central valley's agricultural strength than the anti-illegal immigrant crowd. If the right wingers in California, as well as the rest of the US. are successful in their fight against illegal immigration, you can kiss the grape crops, tree fruit crops, and any other crop requiring manual picking goodbye.
And what's funny about it is this - it's tea party republicans vs agri business republicans fighting this one out. It'll be interesting to see which side wins. My bet is with the money...
The environazis cut off the water to the Valley, moron.
Illegals are also suffering from that, but they don't give a shit.
Run all the illegals out, and the jobs would pay enough for whites to do it. Simple.
Yes, the grapes would cost 20 cents more. I can live with that.
All because the Delta Smelt might be harmed. Crazy shit, in a crazy state.
Completely correct; I have no idea why someone junked you.
Junk Punks have thin skin and the truth hurts.
Oh really - so "white people" will work - that is, if they get paid more than Latinos?
2Q 2 that:
1) What particular kind of Libertarianism is that axiom part of?
2) What particular type of Republicans do "white-right-to-white-pay" folks think hire illegals?
I've worked on plenty of Ditch digging and Gravel shoveling crews where my white ass was taking orders from Mexicans getting paid more than me, some legal, some not.
Most "greedy white folk" won't even bother to think of hiring someone without a valid SS # and an E-Verify check; not worth the potential fines.
Most of the Illegals I've seen on work crews are working for Mexican American owned companies; are those Mexican American operators racists?
Have you actually gone across the border and asked what Mexican laborers get per day in Mexico? I have, its about $1.50-$5.00 a day. Do you know what a laborer in a Home Depot parking lot costs to hire? I do, its $15-$20 an hour. Seems to me those people are getting treated and paid a lot better up here. Where is your loathing and hate for Mexican construction companies working Mexicans to death?
Something tells me your world experience is an acedemia based model; try working in Reality Land for awhile, a little hard work in the sun is good for ya. Who knows, you might actually get to work on them interpersonal-relationship-developement skills or *GASP* learn to empathize with people you have real world experiences with.
Dude, you just owned Eureka. Thanks for smacking some reality into this clown.
Dude - do you know what context is? I was commenting on Rodent's statements:
"The environazis cut off the water to the Valley, moron. Illegals are also suffering from that, but they don't give a shit. Run all the illegals out, and the jobs would pay enough for whites to do it. Simple..." etc etc
1) North cut water of to south to save salmon
2) illegals "get hurt" yet "don't care yet "have left" yet should be "run out"....
If you can't see Rodents self-contradictory nonsense you can't see anything.
Delta smelt, and I never said they left.
Sorry, Raymond Reason (right below) said that "most of them in construction have already left". Doesn't change anything - you're still contradicting yourself and not answering any of the detailed questions and points I raise.
Essentially you blame "illegals" rather than the forces who bring them here, i.e. the elite, who wants to:
A) depress wages - which according to the complaints against illegals in this thread has worked against "whites", who aledgedly are paid less than "illegals" - who magically are paid more than legals/citizens (wow, how does anyone decide to pay more to "illegals"?)
B) boost the empire with population growth, which is essential to continued fudging of population statistics and national financial leverage - believe it, population growth is part of GDP projections and thus the confidence in US treassuries.
the illegals aren't "brought here" they come because they know they won't be kicked out, and have family here who help them lie correctly on all the forms. that's one of the big lies man, that a white man wouldn't do those jobs, I would fucking do those jobs, and have in the past, and am attempting to currently. I was just as fucking poor during the "boom" as I am now, it's fucking insulting.
the elite "bring them here" by the implicit promise of not keeping them out.
the illegals are cheaper because you don't have to pay the ancillary costs of benefits, taxes, insurance, or hiring an accountant/clerk to handle the forms you aren't filling out, so you can offer the illegals the same wage they would be making after taking all that out. that's the cunning plan man. Legal citizens generally try to obey the law, but that shit is apparently for suckers huh?
hiring illegals keeps overhead low, and allows those that do it more mobility and freedom in who they hire because of the regulatory environment in the US. I did volunteer work through church with migrants when I was younger, I know what the conditions are like.
I guess the take home for me is that I should just not give a fuck about the law if i can benefit financially right? after all, fuck everybody else.
Thank you Knowless. That is one of the lies spread by the media, since the media is completely in support of illegal immigrants. There are plenty of white people willing to do the work. Most of the people who say otherwise are the well-off whites who want to feel good about themselves by supporting the "poor illegal immigrants" while disparaging white people for being "evil." These people do not know how many poor whites are out there who would take any job in a heart beat if it offered a fair salary.
We are dealing with people out for "social justice" that believe the ends justify any means. A law, a list of laws, or any sense of natural or moral law are only obstacles to be overcome by them.
Right on Smiley! I worked many years in construction, some in S Cal. Everyone is paid by what they can accomplish, illegal or not. Because there is almost always the option of cash. Now i live on a farm, and the migrants make more than a Home Depot worker plus housing. The reason the whites aren't doing it is because most of them couldn't grow a tomato plant, or identify one, for that matter. It's a complete myth that migrants are up here, apart from their families, working for Mexican wages. And frankly, most that were in construction, left and went home.
Smiley - If "illegals" are cost more to hire - then why are citizens hiring them in Home Depot's parking lot? Are citizens just plain dumb? Or do illegals have some secret cunning strategy and power of pursuasion unknown to citizens day laborers?
Secondly, I was not referring to random daylabor gigs for dumb overpaying citizens - but rather to the massive scale agri-plantations/corporation such as the ones in Cali's central valleys, which are mentioned in this above article we are commenting on - and the similar plantations owned and run by US mega corporations, like the orange plantations in FL.
If anyone here have not heard about the working conditions on these corporate "farms" - google it.
What truth? That the dry south drains the north's salmon spawning waters?
Delta smelt.
A trash fish.
+1
And it won't be long before young American kids will actually be looking for those jobs, cause Dad has run dry.
This canard? Again?
A study at UCLA or USC several years ago found that farm wages account for approximately 15% of the cost of produce at the store. And, contrary to what most people think, illegals are not paid a dollar an hour; in fact, to the contrary, they are paid at least $10-$15 an hour. This is why they come here. They could make a dollar an hour back in Mexico.
Anyway, if you start crunching the numbers, you find that you could double farm wages (to, say, $20-$30 per hour), and the price of your $1.00 head of lettuce would increase only to $1.15. For that matter, double farm wages again, and your head of lettuce now costs only $1.45, but you have created millions of ('shovel ready') taxpaying American jobs paying $40-$60 hour, and simultaneously eliminated the problems associated with the influx of Mexicans, legal and illegal.
For fifty bucks an hour or thereabouts, I'll bet I'm not the only one here at Zero Hedge who would consider picking strawberries a viable option to what I'm doing now. And I really don't have a particularly bad gig.
Problem solved.
They will just ship lettuce in from Italy it would be cheaper, buy-buy Cali farms
Hell, I picked cotton for $0.03/lb and chopped cotton for $.40/hr 12 hours a day in the early 1950s. The job that really sucked was bailing out...not banks...but grease traps and septic tanks with a rope and bucket...$0.50/hr. The grease traps are the worst; however, that being said, the one thing I hated the most was having to kill and slaughter pigs...and they weren't in europe. For $30.00/hr I am ready to get back in the fields.
I loaded bales of hay onto the back of trucks at .05 a bale. It was good spending money to make after school. Bought pizza and beer, and I didn't have to beg the folks.
I picked oranges in Florida. Made reasonable money as I recall, but at the time I was living in a tent in the Ocala National Forest, and so only needed a bit for beer and groceries.
I remember an old black guy telling me to "work slower; get more done."
I also remember the guy in charge counting one dollar bills into everyone's hand at the end of the day because some of the workers were not proficient at math.
de-tasseling corn is the hardest work I ever did...hands over your head all day, getting sliced up by leaves, in a steaming hot field of corn over head high...and then ya gotta go back and do it again, cuz ya can't miss any
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8263171/2_girls_killed_8_injure...
This is the the truth right there. There are plenty of people willing to do the work for a wage that can support a lower middle class lifestyle/middle class life style. It's hard work and people deserve to get paid for it. Mexicans are just driving down the wages, it's simple economics. I could care less about paying an extra few dollars at the grocery store for produce.
However, I shop at farmer's markets and already pay top dollar for a lot of my produce. Food is important to me and I prefer supporting small farmers who produce quality meat and produce. Go into Trader Joe's and buy some of their produce. It tastes like science. It's fucking gross.
This little conversation is economically moot. Assume Americans don't want to work plucking tomatos or whatever. A- if there were free trade within this US country (which there ain't) then Americans would get progressivly hungrier until they died or decided they really did like plucking tomatos problem solved (by the invisible hand of hunger). B- if there were international free trade (which there ain't involving gulag america) Americans would not have to pick tomatos if they didn't want to, and if Mexicans did want to pick tomatos, they could do it in their homeland, and ship tomatos up to us and we could have a fiesta. It's win win either way, But since we have a Socialist style command economy, everything is screwed up, costs are bloated by harmful laws (Monsanto) and taxes. Shortages are the other option, though we haven't seen that yet, least I haven't. Even with the Commie BS governent we have it's still like a land of plenty foodwise.
Average day-labor rate from the guys in front of Home Depot is now $15-20 an hour; trust me, I know ;)
Those guys standing in front of HD are getting zippo, unless there was a line buried in the '09 stimulus bill that passes out out that money.
WHERE'S MY MONEY?
So crazy... $15-20hr, maybe equiv to about $30/hr for a regular taxed paycheck.
I usually have no problem finding someone on craigslist for $10/hr when I've got an excess of yard work (or similar) to do and I'm in NY... Not quite the abundance of illegals.
No. Better than that. The Mexican looks at it in terms of multiples of his baseline expectations and value system, much like an American, for example, might view those high salaries in, oh, say, Saudi Arabia. So, what a Mexican sees is as much, if not more, money in day than he can make in a week back home. Precisely how that is measured in 'dollars' in an objective sense is not clear to me.
But it would not be unlike offering an American, oh, say, $50 or $75 an hour, maybe, for doing a bit of hard work. At those rates (figure seven times the minimum wage or more), I venture to say that there would be no lack of (American) takers.
Moreover, there would be no lack of Americans willing to work really, really hard for that kinda dough. This is why there is this canard about Mexicans somehow being intrinsically harder workers than Americans. Nonsense. The average Mexican would just as soon sit in the shade and sip Tequila as any American. In fact, looking at their country, and places in this country where they congregate, well, forgive me, but I have this suspicion that, if anything, the average Mexican may be even a bit more predisposed than the average American to sit in the shade and get drunk. Or is "manana" (sp?) an American expression?
The problem is that everyone says, well, look, I pay $15/hr. The Mexican works hard. The American does not. What everyone forgets is that that $15 is not the same thing to a Mexican as it is to an American. It is a great deal of money to the Mexican, the equivalent of seven times or more as much as it is to an American. And that's the only reason they work hard(er than an American).
This is a god damn good point.
Thank you. It is actually an original idea formed when I read an article about three or four years ago in the WSJ or NYT (I may be wrong) about the LEGAL temporary foreign worker program. Reporter went to a facility in California where, for six months out of the year starting in April or thereabouts, a bunch of Mexicans come and work in a facility doing nursery plants, I think it was. Anyway, for half the year, they come here legally, live in barracks, were paid $12 and change an hour, and I even think that meals were provided (but I might be wrong about that). Then they go back to Mexico. Well, not the worst thing in the world, but I can also see where a better off American might be less enthusiastic. Barracks? Away from your family for half a year? Hard physical labor? Etc.
Well, the owner or manager of the facility was quoted along the lines of Mexicans work hard doing this and Americans don't.
But further on in the article, one of the Mexicans was quoted, saying, "This is GREAT. I can make more money here in a day than I can in a week back home." Mystery solved.
What is happening, in essence, is that they are thus paying the Mexicans at least five times as much as the Americans. Well, 5 x $12 = $60. Even if you compare it to minimum wage, you're still talking about 5 x $8 (?) = $40.
That's like paying someone here in this country $1600 - $2400 a week - in other words, the same kinda dough that entices Americans to pack up and go work at the American School in Beirut for a few years. I simply do not believe, and will never believe, that you could not motivate most Americans to work hard for that kinda dough, even the ones we currently disparage as lazy and useless, especially when you don't even have to leave the country or go work in some third world, shithole, war zone.
Pull up to any Home Depot in Texas and offer $10/hr and you'll get a good laugh out of them and that's about it.
I'd pick lettuce for $20-30 an hour if I could sit in the shade and I didn't have to bend over and I got 3 breaks and free cappuccino.
See look at monaloco's comment, this is a person living a life of leisure. Laughing about silly perks and freebees he would "demand" to work "menial labor". He is obviously not hungry nor wanting. Take me or monaloco and we go without food for three weeks lose 40 pounds, I bet neither one of us- or anyone here would be joking about cappuccino.
Wow who knew that farmers in Southern California can only farm with illegals....pray tell what did they do prior to Ed Kennedy's first amnesty in 1964 when all of this crap started?
I seem to remember California being worth a fuck prior to that...now not so much.
What did they do prior to the 1964 amnesty? what is an amnesty. it's one solution to the problem of illegals. everyone but you knew they farmed with illegals; what part of your own post was it that you didn't read?
So you think the status quo of fat white people sitting at home collecting welfare whilst illegal immigrants do manual labor is a dynamic that will continue through this Depression as the govn slowly lose control?
Interesting concept.
I have a hunch we are not in Kansas anymore though.
Bogey4 - Utopia just around the corner
"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace"
lol
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2011/06/29/report-john-lennon...
I'd take over the world with one damn butter knife.
LOL... just build a bunch of campfires, and they'll all be swaying and singing. You won't need the butter knife!
Bogey4 tell us more - YOU are right, Cali has its own shitload of ultra fundamentalist right wing Talibani-like religious fundamentalists. This myth that Hollywood is liberal - is on of the most successful myths perpetrated by the elite. Hollywood works for US Empire, Madison Avenue, Pentagon and US globa-fi-scum facism. What else does everyone think all the "slacker-coming-of-age-popping-babies-going-to-war-and-becoming-a-good-corporate-climber"- FLICKS were all about?
...said spokesman Gil Duran: "If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there's a place called Arizona.''
HEY ! We got our right-wing "fundamentalists" right here in OC, LA & Venturea counties - THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
Not to worry, the crop can be picked by the former law school students that lost their scholarships by falling below 3.0 GPA.
The "environazis" are far less of a threat to the central valley's agricultural strength than the anti-illegal immigrant crowd.
Anti-illegal immigrant crowd? What does it mean to be "pro-illegal"? Hmmm...
Sounds like abortionists shifting the burden of sensibility to "anti-choice" types.
Congrats on the 30+ junks...puts your comment in about the 4-sigma range.
or no water kills it
Actually, South California will have all the water.
LA, and the southern-central coast steal all their water from the central valley...
It has been run on poison so long they can't test the crops. The water is contaminated too. You ever been to Bakersfield?
Brawndo's got what plants crave.
Yeah, it's got 'lectrolites n shit.
"do you know what electrolytes even ARE?"
"Yeah! They're what plants crave!"
Very little ag. in Bakersfield. It's all oil wells.
"BUUUUZZZZZ!!!!"
Uh, wrong. Sorry.
Thanks for playing, try again sometime.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kern_County,_California#Oil_production
http://www.bakersfieldchamber.org/section.asp/csasp/DepartmentID.537/cs/...
http://econpost.com/gdp/bakersfield-california-gdp
I'm sure there's even more and better information out there. Try looking it up.
Yeah, wealth created with socialist water.
Not to mention much of the water wealth with which to grow it all, coming off the eastern/western flanks of the Sierras. There is some oil/gas wealth as well.
The big loss would be the port of LA. But if that is the price for losing the corrupt football-less, welfare money pit of LA, I am all for it. Still have San Diego.
Exactly.
Los Angeles essentially leaches off the natural resources from the rest of the state...
Secession Bitchez!
This only makes reasonable sense to break up an ever expanding government. The South California counties are the only productive counties in the entire state. It is a shame that they are attached at the hip of such moronic cities such as LA, San Fransisco, and Sacramento. I hope them the best of luck.
If you could nuke LA or SanFran, California would become a blue state overnight.
Just sayin.
No, you'd have to nuke Santa Barbara as well. 4 consecutive chick Jew mayors, Sanctuary City, wall-to-wall mestizos and cosmic white libs. Do it. Please.
Don't you mean red?
Oops, yeah. Had a flashback moment.
I still remember when "true blue" meant non-commie.
Yup.
http://www.presidentelect.org/e1980.html#map
Showing your age...
The ridiculous thing is this whole "Red" verse "blue" nonsense is extremely recent. President Bush recent.
Rodent - You're wrong about one thing:
L.A. and O.C. are run by wealthy, elite Republicans, who grease the wheels of US Empire. So, eh, if you bomb LA you're gonna be sorry, cause you won't get all the nice hegemonic US kicks the world's ass movies I'm sure you love and which at least Pentagon's recruiters do - and I know you LOVE US-Empire - DONT'CHA?
You're right that veggies theoretically could go up in price a bit and pay more attractive wages - but you're wrong that it would attract "white" labor - think about it - do you EVER see white people picking veggies in Hollywood movies? Of course not, because veggies grow in the super market and in mommy's fridge - JUST like in Disneyland - and THAT is how we white people want it - I know, because I am one - and we wanna make mad money, NOT picking veggies, but doing nothing a.k.a. being smart - DON'T WE?
Actually to be honest, I'd rather be picking vegis. My own that is.
For 30$/hr. I'd be out picking grapes, not stressing over anything, and living a pretty good life.
I'm not greedy.
Me too!
McCain said they couldn't get pickers for $40 here in AZ. I tried to apply, only to find out it was a campaign trail lie.
Now I hear $15 under the table, and its 108 out there, sooooo... Maybe I'll give it a try in the fall
If hollywood is some nut case conspiracy- then why would the color of anyone picking produce in their films be correlated to reality?
Vegetables don't grow in the super market or the refrigerator.
You may be white and want that reality, but to presume that view applies others just reinforces the elitist undertones to your comments.
I have more guns AND butter than most, but I was out in the field "gathering" when I was five years old, and to this day, (at least when in the US) my guns and my lands provide me far more food than the local grocery store.
You have the productivity exactly backwards, except for San Diego county. And San Diego county would never go for it - they wouldn't want to be tied to Riverside, San Bernardino, Fresno, etc.
Almost all counties in the San Joaquin Valley are Agriculturally Productive.
Even Sacramento County and counties to the north and west (Butte, Yolo, Sutter) have huge rice crops as well as alfalfa, olives, and fruit trees (Pears are huge).
San Joaquin and Stanislaus have a lot of nut trees (But the nuts are in SF--haha).
Napa and Sonoma, obviously, is a nice reigion for wine grapes but count the foothill counties of Placer, El Dorado, and Amador for quality wine grapes as well. And some of the best Zinfandel comes from Lodi in San Joaquin Co.
Costal Regions (San Mateo, Santa Cruz, Monterrey) grow large quantities of garlic, strawberries, and artichokes.
San Bernadino and Riverside Counties, on the other hand is a virtual wasteland. Nothing there but dates and palm trees.
So I guess what I'm saying is that this map doesn't really split the state into "productive" and "non-productive" units.
Also, how do you define "productive"? LA with its film industry (for example) is extremely productive. Just because I would consider most of what they produce to be crap, doesn't mean it's not adding value to other people's lives. They wouldn't buy it otherwise, right?
It's really unfortunate that you ever learned how to type.
The hell's that mean?
dupe
You and Rodent... you LOVE Karl Rove, Dubya, Rush an' all them real patriots - DONT'CHA?
Well, too bad you overlook the fact that EMPIRE NEEDS BODIES - because in geo-politics he who has the most people wins. OOOPS! There comes China - QUICK! - OPEN THE BODERS TO MEXICO - WE NEED PEOPLE NOW.
And so, The Grand Old Papaguy, encouraged "illegal" immigration (while speaking against it) - because it knew statistics, and statistics said that U.S. Cauc'Asians birth rate had declined to .6% while U.S. Latinos had increased to 6.5% - and the Grand Old Papaguy so genuinely wanted to maintain U.S. corporate empire and low wages and wages depression mechanisms - and nobody ever noticed what went on - nobody knew the Grand Old Papaguy was behind all things - and so some fans and supporters of The Grand Old Papaguy BLAMED the "illegals" that the puppeteers of The Grand Old Papaguy smugled into the country to suppress wages and to work in their slave plantations and to seemlessly absorb into US population statistics, not to mention U.S. armed forces, with fast track to U.S. citizenship.
Indeed, picking veggies AND popping babies AND fighting wars, all for the empire, who's own citizens did not like doing any of these things for their empire anymore, could be said to be - in time - a doubled edged sword - but about its orchestration, there could be no doubt - only utter ignorance and denial.
Now that, children, is a true tale, because I heard it myself, from The Grand Old Papaguy, one day when it was high and drunk and boastful.
The history of the US proves you wrong. It ain't the bodies, it is the productivity per person, and entrepreneurial spirit.
The US rules the world with 5% of the world's population. Even with all the welfare anchors it has to carry.
You are a proud hegemon. The US rules the world because it has 300 million homogenized citizens united by one common motivator: Material Consumption.
US "Productivity" includes financial services and the military-industrial-security complex and US-Global corporations all of whom are entitlement recipients AND bail-out recipients AND pay ZERO TAXES - ALL OF WHICH IS FINANCED BY CHINA (treassury bonds) - i.e. "the plantation".
"The Plantation" has about had it with US sloth & Empire - AND its is coming to an end - as you can read every day here on zerohedge - but not because the pure, white entrepeneurial spirit has been damaged by "illegals" and bureaucrats - but by non other than your precious Grand Old Papaguy puppeteers through their above listed criminal complex.
You are scape-goating the wrong people. The elite IS THE SCUM destroying the country. I thought zerohedge was a primarily Libertarian oriented community - so what is all this proto nationalist, hegemon neocon BS sentiment doing here?
Tell me you want US Empire dismantled - OR come clean as a hegemon and then explain how you will finance your precious out-sourcing, off-shoring and oxymoronically nationalist empire - since your precious corporations cannot possibly be made to pay taxes to help pay for the empire that enables them operate globally?
That is of course how US corporation can be "profitable". Print me some start up capital, give me some free infrastructure, bail-out cash, tax-payer sponsored production lines and tax-free status and I'll show you some productivity per unemployed and or broke capita - what extraordinary kindness the citizens of the Federation practices to its makers and suppliers of toys from its overseas' "plantations".
Communism always fails. Always.
The only question is how many millions have to die before the proles rebel.
That's a non-answer. US EMpire is fascism.
And US empire is falling. Not because of "illegals". But because of US elite getting away with destroying US proles. Do you think US proles will rebel when they starve?
US proles will rebel against being replaced by Mexican proles since Mexican proles are used to being slaves.
And all you elites will shocked, shocked by the lack of submission shown by armed ex-Mexicans.
Again you contradict yourself:
"A) US proles will rebel against being replaced by Mexican proles
B) Mexican proles are used to being slaves
C) Ex-Mexicans (posses'exhibit) lack of submission"
A,B and C cannot all simultaneously be correct - To Wit:
If US proles are being replaced by Mexican proles(A), who are used to being slaves(B), then logically US proles are weak, pushovers - and, since this replacement of US proles is already an ongoing fact - exactly when will US proles rebel against it? And how, can US proles possibly hope or expect to win their rebellion, when they haven't even started it, and more significantly, when armed Ex-Mexicans (which presumably means armed "illegals" or armed naturalized ex-illegals or armed naturalized legal immigrants) lack submission (presumably to US proles and US law) and therefore can only be expected to win by virtue of their eledged attitudes and character traits and supreme numbers?
One thing is for sure, the elites always want more immigrants, no matter what country they belong to. That's because immigrants divide the native population/majority population. Even if illegals weren't the problem (I would argue offshoring is a much bigger problem. ie. instead of bringing cheap labor in, taking your company to the cheap labor) it doesn't matter because they divide the population.
ex-Mexicans = 2nd generation = Americans of Mexican descent.
...even if they do go around hating America and waving Mexican flags.
"US rules the world" .... ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hun6bDHr-Q
Just drove from LA area to Phoenix..
It's already been ceded to Mexico
They can have it.
58th State if you go by Obama's calculations.
61st, to be technical.
"we've been to 57 States, with one to go. My team won't let me go to HI or AK."
I have a better idea.
Since California is a worthless state full of worthless people why don't we abdicate the whole state back to Mexico. The fuckin' state is worthless and home of the worst political trash in the country like Nancy Flibosi.
oh no! don't abdicate us to mexico, bob_d! just abdicate us, ok? gov moonbeam can laugh over us all.
here is his spokesperson inviting people to leave: "It's a supremely ridiculous waste of everybody's time," said spokesman Gil Duran. "If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there's a place called Arizona.''
1) sell yer land
2) go to arizona
3) enjoy the norcal water from there!
if they seceded, they could be ruled by the gallo interests. oh, wait! they already are.
Arizona is as sinking ship of a state if there ever was one.
Kind of a bad idea when you piss away your entire drinking supply that will never be replinished.