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Meet America's 51st (Broke) State
It is only fitting that a few days after South Sudan became the newest independent country to join the roster of IMF and World Bank "modernization and industrialization" targets, another Southern version of something should break apart, although some may be surprised that this latest secession is not somewhere in the middle of Africa, but in America's own insolvent back yard. Meet Southern California. "Accusing Sacramento of pillaging local governments to feed its runaway spending and left-wing policies, a Riverside County politician is proposing a solution: He wants 13 mostly inland, conservative counties to break away to form a separate state of "South California.'' Supervisor Jeff Stone, a Republican pharmacist from Temecula, called California an "ungovernable'' financial catastrophe from which businesses are fleeing and where taxpayers are being crushed by the burden of caring for welfare recipients and illegal immigrants." Ah yes, the heart of prosperity that is the Inland Empire, known for such great achievements as Hell's Angels, the most ridiculous excesses of the housing bubble, Del Taco, and... that's pretty much it. This sounds like yet another Swiss Watch plan.
This is what the 51st state would look like:
From SF Gate:
CBS Los Angeles reports:
"Stone said in a statement late Thursday that Riverside, Imperial, San Diego, Orange, San Bernardino, Kings, Kern, Fresno, Tulare, Inyo, Madera, Mariposa and Mono counties should form the new state of South California."
The new state would therefore encompass almost half of California's landmass, leaving out the strip of Southern California counties along the coast including Los Angeles, Ventura and Santa Barbara counties.
This is not the first time California has dealt with plans for secession, but until now most of the proposals have come from the rural counties of northern California where counties have tended to get left behind with state funding.
In fact, in 1941, a campaign to create the new state of Jefferson from several counties in northern California and southern Oregon was on the brink of success. The counties, frustrated from their lack of adequate roads and funding put together the movement, and Jefferson looked to be on track to be the 49th state (Alaska and Hawaii weren't on board yet).
By December, a "Proclamation of Independence" had been circulated and the residents had even elected a governor. But, on the week the Jefferson statehood movement was to make its national debut, the attacks at Pearl Harbor quashed all plans as residents went to work for the war effort.
Since then, every few years these and other northern counties have mounted several more secession attempts, but none have come quite so close to success as the Jefferson movement.
LA Times adds:
A spokesman for Gov. Jerry Brown,
a Democrat, called Stone's proposal a laughable political stunt, saying
the Riverside County supervisors should be more concerned about closing
that county's expected $130-million revenue shortfall in the next
budget year and possible cutbacks to public safety."It's a supremely ridiculous waste of everybody's time," said spokesman
Gil Duran. "If you want to live in a Republican state with very
conservative right-wing laws, then there's a place called Arizona.''
Then again, all politicians do is focus on supremely ridiculous things that are wastes of everybody's time.
But, yes, this will make a great diversion for the country over the next week while the world burns. Unless, of course, Osama is killed for third or fourth time.
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Hey Bob,
You obviously don't live here in SoCal. I'm surrounded by people who are conservative and hate the politicians in charge. The constant gerrymandering in this state is beyond belief, otherwise many of the "close call" elections in which libs get re-elected would undoubtedly result in more conservatives getting elected. Hence the libs scrambling to re-gerrymander before each election in an effort to carve out their selected neighborhoods and disenfranchise the conservative voters.
I mentioned the oft-ballyhooed idea of a California split just last week. It'll never fly because SoCal is way too dependent upon the natural resources of NorCal. Someone else here already said (above) that it would take a war to do it. Probably true.
You're right, I don't live in California...anymore. I moved out of San Diego in February not long after Jerry Brown got elected. I moved to a beautiful area out here on the Mid-Atlantic coast and have never been happier.
I got sick and tired of the business regulations, the higher taxes, the utilities going up month after month, etc. The more I saw these things happen the more I saw pandering to illegal immigrants, minorities, and overall unproductive people. I got tired of being on the wrong end of the states whooping stick to the benefit of citenzry that really didn't give a shit about themselves. In addition to that, I got really tired of the blatant corruption, (the manager for the city of Bell making $1,000,000 a year?) just for one example. I for one got sick of it and said enough is enough.
In addition to that I'm in my late twenties and want to start a family soon. The more I got to looking around the more I was absolutely sure that California was not the place I wanted to raise my family. From my point of view most of the citizens were second class and proud of it. It shows with one of the highest unemployment rates in the country as well as the most fiscally unsound.
I'm obviously not the only person who feels this way as there has been a massive exodus of business from California. It's become so bad that officials have been meeting with officials in Texas to figure out what their "secret recipe" is for job creation. The only problem with California is California.
you are knock, knock, knockin on nirvana's door, bob_d!
find the right church, temple, mosque, classroom, job,or AA meeting and go for it! if you are already hooked up, let the zygotes begin!
I just did a google news search of "california unemployment" and found the most amusing article (first link). It appears that now the great state of California has made it possible to collect your welfare without ever leaving the couch. How convenient
http://www.bakersfield.com/news/local/x481155609/California-replacing-unemployment-checks-with-debit-cards
From the article -
Michele Sutton-Riggs, a representative of the unemployment insurance branch of EDD - "It's important for customers to know they will receive a letter noting they'll be receiving a card," she said. Really? they are customers? It used to be called welfare babies, but I guess times have changed.
Meanwhile, didn't they just pass an internet tax?
still, i hope you will be able to live with the remorse of leaving... hahaha!
the big banksters prefer the direct deposit of benefits and the radio-frequecy ID card (RFID), like in the snap program for foodstamps.
this is EDD (employment development dept, comrade bob_d). this is unemployment insurance. almost all emplyees in the public sector are eligible if they get laid off. this buys them a little time to find a new job, or they can just go to mexico for 1-2 years, with their new card.
the unemployment insurance premiums are paid in, every quarter. like health insurance. whatever that's worth...
if you go to the doctor, and have insurance, please inform the receptionist that you are on welfare. see what happens to you, ok? can we say mid-atlantic sidewalk?
You can call 99 weeks /24 months/2years a bit of time to find a job. I call it welfare.
call it whatever you want. i don't care! maybe you are self-employed or have a small professional or business corp front. close? doesn't matter how you roll, may you prosper, multiply, and get no sleep for 1/2 decade! while becoming:
And he's talking about having children.
Bob, spare the future progeny the horror of growing up in a broken defunct republic.
My God man, get a vasectomy!
bob_d, here's a Texas 'secret recipe' for someone who's eager to start a family:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/10/main20078288.shtml
you're never broke when you can print.
summer silver sale.. stack it high.
WATCH – The Value Of Silver
looks like blood flow is cut off to the ankle and tibia. strange...
when you're lost in the rain in juarez/
when it's Easter Time, too/
and your gravity fails and negativity don't pull you through/
don't put on any airs when you're down on rue morgue avenue/
they got some hungry women there and they really make a mess outta you
Sheeeit. SoCal aint got shit on Manassas Park, Va. I spent many a week in San Diego and was laughing at the pikers there that think they have an illegal alien problem. Prince William County Va. and particularly Manassas Park, Va. got WAYYY more illegals per capita than many parts of SoCal. And I am not bullshitting you either.
Nigga what? There are an "estimated" (by estimated I mean the real # is likely understated by orders of magnitude) 272,000 illegals living in San Diego County. Last I checked, there was a total population of 32,205 living in Manassas, VA.
-Guy who follows the migration patterns of illegal aliens
I said per capita. As in average ratio per head. I sat on a corner many times for 30 minutes and counted people and I consitently get 70-80% Hispanic and the VAST majority of them are illegals. This area is a HOTBED for this shit. Like I said, San Diego aint got shit on Manassas Park, Va. I've spent time in both and I see FAR more of them here on average than in San Diego. And I aint bullshitting either.
now that you're gone from here, please stop worrying about us, ok? over the last few years, many of our hispanic neighbors have returned south, so they could work and send money to their poor relatives, up here.
and, now that we've pretended they have SSNs so they could pay fica taxes, we just send their [20 X lifetime fica] unemployment benefits wherever they wish.
It shouldn't be long now before some fed up state votes to secede for the USA.
If enough states do it, they could start their own country. At least then we'd have a choice
of where to live.
Is it me, or does the blue look like Massachusetts and the red like Montana @ 90 degrees?
Why would you want to secede from CA and become the 51st state - and not the first?
..of a new nation.
+10,000,000
nullification... that's why.
Forget Californication. If we wanna solve our problems, lets just invade western Canada and get their wheat farms and oilfields. Leave the commies in Montreal and Toronto to tax themselves into destitution.
This is OLD NEWS
As is your screen name.
Brussels!!!! We Have a Problem!!!!
David Einhorn, Greenlight Capital:
"According to current banking regulations, sovereign credits are considered "risk-free." This means that banks can take on as much sovereign credit risk as they like without setting aside any capital. Under such a structure, selling short CDS protection is akin to free money for the banks.
Likely, the real worry is that the first default will expose the fiction that sovereign debt is risk-free. If the authorities permit one default, their credibility to prevent additional defaults will be lost. No one knows how much aggregate exposure to sovereign debt and CDS is hidden in the banking system, and no one is itching to find out. The European regulators are trying to calm the market by conducting "stress tests" on the banks. This might be comforting if the stress tests included testing the possibility of a sovereign default. They do not. What is the point of a stress that fails to test the most obvious and visible risk facing the banks?"
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/07/qotd-brussels-we-have-a-problem/
aah, desert industry. Note that much of the red area is in danger of disappearing being lower than the gulf of California and has ongoing seismic activity that could make this a reality. Bet he owns a lot of sand he thinks will be oceanfront.
Double the failure, double the fun.
Creating another state by splitting California will not solve the root problem. The problem is an out of control central government taking the side of illegal immigrants, welfare recipients, and liberals.
>The problem is an out of control central government taking the side of illegal immigrants
FYI, the act of immigration is not a crime, because there is no victim.
A bunch of gun-toting brutes calling it "illegal" does not make it so.
Yes, it does.
No it doesn't.
Booyah.
Does too.
there is no victim?? lost wages (see meat packing)-higher taxation for services to these parasites..dead citizens due to crime and vehicle accidents..the list of victims is endless.
too bad you are not one.
>there is no victim?? lost wages (see meat packing)
If you are fired because you suck at your job, that doesn't make you a "victim" and it doesn't make the person who replaces you a criminal.
>higher taxation for services to these parasites..
So when the goverment threatens to shoot/cage you and steal your house unless you cough up dough, you blame the act of immigration. That makes a lot of sense.
>dead citizens due to crime and vehicle accidents
Yeah, driving over someone is a crime, but I thought we were talking about immigration?
I believe the Mexican authorities consider "illegal" immigration a crime...but we shouldn't?
As I explained, the act of immigration is not criminal because it has no victim.
We should do the right thing, and treat it as a legal act. We should do the right thing even if others are doing the wrong thing.
I feel truly sorry for people burdened with warped, mutilated worldviews - where peaceful acts that don't hurt other people should be viewed as crimes.
I think you have it right, Doc. So many smart people on this board seem to have a hard time recognizing that the "problems" commonly associated with immigration are not caused by immigrants who just want to better their own life, but by coercive and meddling gov. policies that have unforseen and undesireable effects. Eliminate welfare and the minimum wage and the "metzicans are taking all the jobs" problem goes away. Eliminate DMV and voting regulations (and a myriad of other state department crap) with regard to muliple language pamphlets and the whole language issue will work itself out. Eliminate Medicare and Medical and "free" public schooling and the animosity and resentment by the taxpayers will dissipate and, dare I say it, good will and brotherly compassion just might fill the void.
It has no victim? See this, dipshit:
http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp
Take your bullshit and go back to the HuffPo.
Any death by any means is a sad thing. I don't want to downplay or minimize the loss of any person or family. Anywhere. Ever.
This post seems to imply that only illegal immigrants kill people and they kill only because they are illegal.
Please check yourself RTM. The act of immigrating didn't kill those people. The act of reckless/drunk driving (in most of the cases I read) did. And in each of these cases, just like any case of reckless or drunk driving--illegal or not, the driver ought to be held accountable.
I have a DUI. I am not illegal.
You're smart and funny; I've seen your posts. Please learn to apply logic on a consistent basis--not just to argue your bias.
>And in each of these cases, just like any case of reckless or drunk driving--illegal or not, the driver ought to be held accountable.
Yes, of course people should be held accountable.
>I have a DUI.
DUI per se, i.e. driving with the wrong kind of molecules in your breath, is a victimless act. If that is a crime, then so are driving while angry, driving while sneezing, driving while texting, driving while stupid, and driving while sober, all of which are acts that put people and property in danger. See http://mises.org/daily/2343
"Sure, we can do informal calculations in our head, based on our weight and the amount of alcohol we have had over some period of time. But at best these will be estimates. We have to wait for the government to administer a test to tell us whether or not we are criminals. That's not the way law is supposed to work. Indeed, this is a form of tyranny."
Our Soviet-style road system kills thousands every year. The best way to save lives is to get socialist government out of business of providing roads and road safety services. See http://mises.org/daily/3419.
I'm done with all of the political correct bullshit. They aren't living in the shadows. They are draining taxpayers in many different ways. If our military was on our border preventing these scumbags from coming into our country, many people in the previous post that were killed by illegal aliens would still be alive.
The facts don't lie. They commit a disproportionate amount of crime and don't understand what it is like to live in our country and obey our laws.
Using your logic, the earthquake in Japan didn't cause the Fukushima meltdown. It was a tsunami, so hence, Earthquakes don't cause problems for nuclear plants. Makes no sense.
and they started all those wildfires in Arizona, too. just ask Sen. McCain.
Earthquakes and Tsunamis aren't sentient beings conciously acting. Not that I'm aware of, anyway.
Please link to data showing "a disproportionate amount of crime". And please don't include victimless crimes. Because by the arbitrary standard of codified laws, each and everyone of them, including the babies that illegally come across the border are "criminals".
Eliminate taxes and there won't be any taxpayers for them (or anyone) to drain. You can solve more problems by removing laws and regulations that caused the problem in the first place than trying to patch it up with fixes on top of fixes with more and more bandaids. It takes a little effort and a significant amount of thought to look to the other side of the equation for the solution. If you are serious about any socio-political topic, it is important not to view certain institutions (like taxes, regulations, and military force) as a universal given. There are a much wider range of potential solutions when everything is on the table.
If you truely are in favor of military forces on the border killing harmless people who just want a better life, you can't be consistently against taxes, welfare, overseas military intervention, and any other government action. It all stems from the same root--the Idea that a certain group of people has some sort of devine right or authority to dictate to all other groups how to live their lives.
By the way, I didn't intend to argue a utilitarian point in my previous post--I think it's wrong to innitiate force against anyone anywhere for any reason no matter what color their skin is or what language they speak or where they were born. Period. The points I made were meant to illustrate the consequences of meddlesome regulations and that the elimination of said regulations will return life to a more natural and free ballance.
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Probably the biggest crock of shit I've ever read on ZH.
They didn't come here legally...by default they're illegal.
Go fuck yourself, along with all the limp wristed fucks who think like you.
Dr., I'm going to agree with you despite those nine junks.
"the act of immigration is not criminal because it has no victim."
I agree with you, but why did Ghengis Khan and ______ get such a bad rep? He was just immigrating to Europe? That is also why the Indians love the white man so much, because we immigrated here! No victim!
Quacula, immigrating where you ain't wanted is invasion, the pure defintion of a war crime even defined by Nuremburg tribunal. I hope someone immigrates into your house.
Driving over someone isn't necessarily a crime, unless you do it again - in reverse.
He was reaching for a weapon.
How on earth is it possible to decalre ourselves a free society, when we restrict freedom of movement, and right to privacy of a specific group of people? Violence solves absolutely nothing.
"...Then they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."
The fact that it is against the law makes it illegal. Please post your living address Dr. Acula, and I will hand it out next time I go to across the border to Tijuana and tell everyone you run a safe "clown house." See how you like having a few thousand unexpected guests over for a "victimless party."
Just because something is legal doesn't make it right.
Just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong.
Illegals are cheaters. Get in line, like everyone else.
That cheating mentality causes problems once they get to our welfare state.
Immigration that violates US law is a crime - hence "illegal immigration"
The are countless victims of illegal immigration - at the highest level, legal immigration creates (at least somewhat balanced) reponsibilities and obligations as well as priviledeges and immunities, illegal immigration warps this balance.
Have you ever heard of stealing? I'm paying for the services those illegals are using. When my wife goes to the hospital, it costs us and our insurance company 30K to have a baby. When an illegal goes to the hospital, it costs them nothing. Gee, I wonder why it costs us 30K then? Just in case your skull is too thick to understand, my wife gets billed 100 dollars for a towel because the hospital has to make up the losses to illegals. No victim? Eff you.
There is no need to be rude.
Please try to understand that the problems you illustrate arise due to the government insurance regulatory measures and government welfare system--not from the mere presence of the brown people. Free market health care=no freeloaders.
By the way, there are plenty of so-called "legal" citizens who free load the system, too. Stopping illegals from coming over won't address the problems associated with inflated health care costs. See my previous posts for more illumination.
Stopping illegals from coming over will reduce the problems associated with inflated health care costs. Health care inflation is a complex large issue.
Word swap games can be fun-
Stopping US involvement in foreign wars won't address the problems associated with inflated US Budget costs.
The only way that Big O and his posse would go for creating a state that would guarantee a hunk chunk of electoral votes to their competitors would be if they knew they could throw open the borders and flood the new state with new Democratic voters ...
Gee, the idea does not seem so preposterous after all.
State 51 down, 6 to go ... Big O seems to be pretty good at keeping his campaign promises.
Stealing delegates bitches!!!! Would Austin become its own state to counter this?
I live in SoCal and can tell you the California dream is completely dead...this isn't a bad idea but it will never happen. The hogs at the revenue trough don't want to spoil a good racket. I closed my IT business here and went to work for someone else because the taxes, fees, paperwork etc are just too burdersome and not even remotely worth the effort. I'm happier making less money than dealing with that shit. Fortunately, CA will collapse under its own weight...there are too many freeloaders on welfare and getting every f'ing handout they think they're entitled too while doing absolutely nonthing. My dad lives in an apartement complex where the two janitors there have 19 children between them...all on welfare. No f'ing joke. That is normal here, so it's only a matter of time before the trough is dry and Mad Max takes to the streets.
I've never met a Mormon janitor and you know 2 of them?
Mormon? LOL not exactly. I think they are more along the lines of 'narcosatanicos'
Math doesn't add up. Your scenario would require at least 4 wives.
I met a woman in west Africa who had 19 children, and the oldest child was 22 years.
your in a reverse bank heist California: the bank /pols holds the gun and says shut up and sit down and empty your pockets.
you are all prisoners here.
you can't kill the beast in gov.
splitting the USA now thats something to believe in..and pray for. the fellow citizens of the left are aliens to me ..strange sick worms that suck your blood and rule your life and business.
a one eyed man..
Many of us in the IE wish it were more like the rest of the state. We sure as hell don't want to celebrate the Bible-thumping, redneck part of hell in the desert faction of the area by separating from the rest of the state as Stone suggests.
The better plan is to deport some of these megachurch MF'ers and their new pickup trucks to OTHER parts of the state. This would guarantee an equal distribution of bullshit across the state, instead of it concentrating in just one area.
Some day, the rednecks around Fresno are going to come and collect some serious karma from your arrogant asses.
No chance. They've already had their pickups stolen from them.
Those rednecks around Fresno are some of the most notorious employers of illegal immigrants.
Be that as it may, there are just as many batshit crazy people in San Fran and Sacramento. Let's face it, they can't fucking deal with it. Maybe splitting it into smaller pieces makes more sense.
Like banks and insurance companies, there shouldn't be such a thing as TBTF states (or countries).
I have lived in Southern CA for 40 years. I have seen the transformation from Golden State to %$#@! State. CA has 30% of the nations welfare and 12% of the population. The lefty northern folks don't represent the concerns of the conservative-leaning southern folks. The split is about spending and rights. I kind of agree that this might help the situation some for the southerners (like me)... the northies (libs) won't be able to take southies tax money anymore and spend it on insane stuff. The big concern is going to water rights. A huge amount of water is transported from north to the very dry southern CA via the aqueducts and the notherners will very likely hold the southerners hostage by hiking the rates or just cut off the water all together -- like they did to more conservative central valley farmers -- oh wait, that was to save the tiny delta smelt.
He who controls the water - controls the state!
Once TPTB have bought up all the bankrupt farmland, the water will flow again.
Living in NorCal and not being a lib, makes for an easy answer....we'll be happy to sell you ding dongs in SoCal the water you need, after all we had to pay for the damn canal that takes it to you....time for us to recover some of our tax dollars spent to benefit others.
Don't you just love when maserati marxists resort to "hate speech" and religious bigotry. Where is all the love you folks are famous for. Oh, I get...free speech for me but not for thee...and the good old liberal chant...one man one vote...one time. Back to moveon.org WCL.
I'm almost sure Hell's Angels came out of LA. Not included in the new state.
Sunny Barger started the Hell's Angels in Oakland, Calif. about a mile from where I grew up.
Angels came out of Berdoo:
The Hells Angels were originally formed in 1948 in Fontana, California Fontana ( /f?n?tæn?/) is a city of almost 200,000 residents in San Bernardino County, California.
mmm...Fontucky.
Those damn Southerners again ;-)
I don't know, something about being able to say you live in
South California just to spite Nor Cal sounds tempting....
Grew up in Tulare Co. Now live in Sacramento. If this happens, I'm headin' back.
Geez...just thinking about it made my twang seep back in--even in writing.
When Okies left Oklahoma and moved to California, it raised the IQ of both States.
Will Rogers ( 1879-1935 )
What a great quip~!
In-N-Out Burgers Bitchez!!!
There is something in the Double-double that is addictive.
Anyone else want to generalize about 35 million people?
...not that In 'n Out isn't the best burger.
Best Shakes, and Fries, but I will take The Habit over In-n-Out McNastyness any day.
Who gets So-Cal's 'share' of the national debt?
..the same ones getting CalPers unfunded liabilities.
thank you cali we got a nice motorcycle after maket manufacture that moved here. take all the jobs we can get
the left in the usa only survives because the right has a moral code that holds us back, we love the USA and so we forgive and try to carry on..but every year it gets harder and harder.
the eco movement, the loss of freedoms are a hairshirt we bear as the left expands powers over the economy and the citizens.
no smoking, seat belts, permits for everything,
anti gun laws and regulations
and this corrupt socialist MSM and government.
at some point a spark will set it off..one more kid abused in an airport, one more property owners rights removed the fight will be on.
the blood of innocents will mix with the the guilty.
The left suffers from a collective case of VES: Vaginal Entitlement Syndrom. They believe that by being pussies or having pussies they are entitled to legislate over the productive members of society.
i think he said hair shirt not hair skirt. misogynist as i may seem, this is uncalled for. you wanna lose yer job and get yer ass kicked and thrown in jail? be careful!
just kidding. aside from our most famous feminine products exports, senators difi & babs, and the dreaded doe-eyed pelosi, we still have meg whitman.
the cali women are pretty smart, mean, and well-organized. we get along ok. lotta touch & go.
Now if they could just declare NYC as an independant City-State(including westchester), The rest of UPstate NY would be VERY VERY happy indeed.
Big cities have always been a breeding ground for rats.
Democrats, bureaucrats, kleptocrats...
The list is long.
Bingo. Cities breed ease and convenience which breeds complacency and dependence which in turn breeds collectivism and entitlement.
"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe." -Thomas Jefferson
There has been talk of this as far back as I can remember. As a "South Californian", it seems to me that, if they want to group like-minded folks together, they should split it into East and West California (Coastal and Inland).
But I guess we all gotta pretend this Red v. Blue stuff is legit.
...si...go East/West....let the Orange County Birchers tough it out with the Pelosi crew on their own.
No deal, unless they take Ventura and LA. And > 50% of the debt.
They don't get any more norcal water either. They can keep the Colorado river water, and the six state feud that goes with it.
It is interesting that its coming from the South this time. First time I've seen that...
Right. If the State of Jefferson ever gets momentum again, I'm headin' north.
here in the south we call the civil war the the war against northern aggression. whats southern cali gona call it? the war against northern progesives. how did we arrive at this da--rk situation.[ my best foghorn leg horn] it was the worst of times it was the worst of times. i quit buying silver at 29 $
Hollywood and silicon valley will fix it...
In a related story, New Jersey is threatening to secede from New York.
Wrong. The 51st state is Jefferson, comprised of counties in Northern California and Southern Oregon. You can read the history, but they armed the border and declared a new state. It lasted a day or two, then Pearl Harbor was bombed and they decided to put the idea to rest until after the War. I guess there hasn't been enough willpower to pick up the torch, even though the residents of the area still strong support it.
http://jeffersonstate.com/
They take Humboldt over my dead body!
Just what we need 2 more dildoe senators. That's the problem with states. If we could cut back all the no population states, Dakotas, Wyoming, Nebraska, Iowa, Montana and so on to just one senator then I would say go ahead. But with 2 senators a state forget it. We don't need another 2 easily bribed senators representing a mere 1,200,000 sun baked conservative rasins.
when the folks in the city go hungry they riot when the folks in the country go hungry they just die.[stalin]
Might wanna jack that population estimate up just a bit:
http://www.counties.org/default.asp?id=399
"Ah yes, the heart of prosperity that is the Inland Empire, known for such great achievements as Hell's Angels, the most ridiculous excesses of the housing bubble, Del Taco, and... that's pretty much it."
You forgot about the Kaiser Steel plant and all the toxic waste left behind and the wonderful smog and heat of the summer months. And actually it is the Heshians, not the Hell's Angels that got there start in the Inland Empire.
Signed,
Greatfully not from there
This isn't ridiculous or new. People in California have talked about breaking California up for a LONG time. The more realistic plan would be dividing California into 3 states. South California, as pictured in the map from the article, North California, everything generally north and east of San Francisco, and Central California including Los Angeles north to San Francisco plus the coastal counties in between.
Though the breakup plans have merit, neither will ever happen. Among the reasons: (1) It would alter the balance of power in the Senate, though the three state plan might retain the existing balance. (2) Small states would be loath to give up more power to California. (3) "Central" California relies on taxes from the "North" and "South", and would quickly collapse without them. (4) Water rights - California's water system is a delicate balance of politics that would collapse into real, open warfare if the state were ever split up.
...(4) correct. The water nazis are the OPEC of CA ! North blames South and South blames North and the water cartel always wins from the middle.....decade after decade !
He wants 13 mostly inland, conservative counties to break away to form a separate state of "South California.''
HOLY SHIT!
Another story that while interesting still fails to explain or focus attention on the real problem-- WTF is going on in Mexico that millions need to flee and why the f&ck won't our State Dept even pretend to hold conferences about the 'human rights' that they usually blather on about in other locations??
Anybody got any links to good on the ground summary to the real truth of the Mexican situation?? obviously the LSM will never touch it...
Please, I'm all ears, thx
OIL
http://geomaps.wr.usgs.gov/seeps/ca_fields.html
you can't handle the truth(!):
our priests use their priests to supply fresh children.
win-win!
any more dumbass questions, sven, don't hesitate to ask, ok?
California is a prototype set up by federal gov to attempt to create a utopia: tons of natural resources, self suffient, clean slate, nice temperature with natural beauty. California had it all...except people. So, feds put a central bank branch in San Francisco and allowed Sacramento to run the state with no holds barred. Any immigrant can migrate, no cultural baggage or normal rules of establishment. See what you can do California.
Some good came out of this experiment...
...Proving that old WASP/European ways were not the only way to create wealth.
But it was far from utopia...
It is time to fix California no doubt. There still are some great people doing great things in California. People here take risks to create something better. There are two sane ways to create wealth: natural and through technology. California still has both. Instead of wall street banksters gambling grandma's pension, venture capitalists take risk on new innovations. Instead of sitting on European ancestor's achievement's and living off of interest, rich here risk all to do something greater (Elon Musk investing in Space X, Tesla with paypal/Ebay money). Instead of old oil money turning America into Saudi Arabia, new money is turning to sustainable living and new sources for energy. Future of America depends on California because smart people are creating the future here. World understands this. World wants California. California just partied too hard while having good intentions. California needs to clean up and get their act together and will lead the economic recovery.
it's hard to imagine partying w/out you...
we'll just hafta try to do the best we can...
San Diegans would like to redraw that secession map. Just take Los Angeles out of the state. The place is an insult to all thinking humans anywhere. San Diego would then dig a tunnel under LA so we wouldn't even have to smell it on the way through.
They both need each other. LA makes movie money on anti-war films, San Diego makes money on defense spending dollars to her port which is THE navy port for Pacific operations.
i sure would like to congratulate you guys on your thoughts and efforts!
analysis like this is rare, indeed.
please stay put and continue to work together toward a better soCal.
t.y.v.m.
As far as norCal, tons of investments flowing in. bubble 2.0 is on!
the hewletts & the pakards will be most pleased. also our friends partying over at lawrence livermore's. if you mean bubble in real estate, that wld be 3.0. or is this student loans?
Palo alto real estate is bubbling up again. Anticipation of facebook IPO says reports.
Unlike NYC, when people hit the jackpot in norcal, they buy a house and settle down.
On another note, Cisco is going to layoff 10,000 so some home prices will discover true market prices.
My mechanic who has lived here 20 years bought two homes years ago and recently sold both for cool 2M. Going to retire...while some folks are still paying their med school student loans as a 40yo.
I think the band Pavement beat this guy to that idea twenty years ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT-c-Sdm9GA
If i was SoCal, i'd annex the Lake Tahoe area, make it their own lil Guam or something...love it there.
I live in the Inland Empire.
I want out of it. If TSHTF before I leave (and my leaving probably means the people I am helping will be dead (by economic or social means) before I do), I'm probably dead too.
It's one of the reasons I have said that I will be either imprisoned or dead before the year is out. This shithole of California is about one good incident from becoming an abject tinderbox like Chicago and most of the Eastern cities are already becoming.
Don't even mention missing a welfare/SS check.
Where ya headed?
When the time comes, that might depend on what status our country is in by the time that occurs.
First reflex is to get back to the Bay Area, but who knows if that might not become a free-fire zone pretty quickly.
So all three of them got out. Sorry bout that. Barfing in the Internet.
Reminds me of a discussion I had at a convention which was held at the same place the Democratic State Convention was being held at one off-year.
Even the Democrats believe if the state was run like northern California was, it'd collapse.
Why does Norcal look like Italy's boot? Drop in the Channel Islands for Sicily. Economy in the same shape too, no?
CALIFORNIANS! Including Spanish persons! Come EAST! Fewer wankers! Plenty of water! Constitutional Government! New England Awaits! Apply Within!
I fully support illegal immigration if their destination is NYC or Mass.
Fly, be free, my illegal brethren.
;-)
Here amigos! Your destiny awaits:
http://www.sanctuarycities.info/sanctuary_state_new_york.htm
I'm referring to U.S. citizens and legal residents of California. Those 4th generation dudes that know how to lower an Impala are most welcome here.... and will have better treatment then in Berkeley Land.
riiiight! 4th generation us citizens will now be fleeing berkeley for new england so they can get treated better... and lower rusty cars?
and, mexico is not a too shabby a place over the winter holidays...even if you're mexican/hispanic american!
this place is full of new england ex-pats. few are hispanic, tho.
Lots of California plates around here. They keep up the "property values", so keep em' coming.
My sympathies.
They will not change their commie voting habits.
We just voted in a veto-proof GOP majority in the legislature. We get Buck Owens, unfortunately, you guys are keeping Nancy Pelosi.
I'm in Texas.
We are dealing with our own influx of illegals and idiot Californians.
Damn if I don't prefer the illegals.
LOL! those CA plates probably wouldn't be so prevalent if folks were taking up residence. how many years can they keep them that way if they live there? or is this just the new batch with current tags lining up to buy real estate---where did you say this was?
rodent_F, from texas, comisserates, even tho you said you weren't talking about "illegals".
hopefully, we will get more stories about new england and how swell it is there. the last story abt texas which i recall was when they stood up to the fuking TSA...for about 4 hours! we were all inspired by that! LOL. goodnight, mrs calabash, wherever you are!
Damn computer. Dupe.
Anyway, talk has been to separate the two parts of California for a long time.
One has to wonder how long it would take South California to become the northernmost state of Mexico.
Protip: Majorities of the populations of Riverside and San Bernardino counties are Hispanic.
Maybe someone pointed this out, They don't have any Fuckinking Water might
So when did The Constitution, or the rule of law for that matter, stop a bunch of anarchist?
Northern Mexico is in some weird colors isn't it. Goes to show you that the states are in one hell of a financial problem.
Bill & Mohammed at helm...lol
yes, please?
For three (New Zealand ie summer) Christmas school breaks (74-76), I picked strawberries for 6 cents a pound. I was 12-14 and earned $20 per 6 hour day. Good bucks for a kid that age. I recall buying Kiss Alive with some of the income. Just thought ZHers might be interested