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Meet The Top 150 Holders Of Apple Stock
150 funds are responsible for $177 billion worth of Apple's market cap. The question now is who, among the 150 below, in tried and true and neverfailing "game theory" will be the first to defect and bail, starting an avalanche in the price of the fad-focused retailer. It is absolutely correct that all these investors have done great... on December 11, 2008 several hundred investors in Bernard L Madoff Securities thought they had done really great as well.
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My teammates are counting on me.
I'll never sell.
demonstrates the lack of knowledge of many people.
when Vanguard owns "around 5% of shares" and they're an INDEX shop or Fidelity (who's miles away from central-banker'dom) it looks like a popular stock or what's called a "cash stock" by institutions. AKA: a stock that's so liquid it's considered a cash-substitute. AAPL today--- and in 1998 it was "KO" at 22X earnings (Coca Cola).
doesn't mean the price is rational or that index construction methodology is perfect. it just means that it "is what it is" and you can play along or you can go somewhere else.
money-center banks make some $$$ on the POMO racket but they only can invest the marginal profit on the T-Bonds monetized by the FED. They don't get to spend more than THAT. oops! THE TRUTH has come out.
"...they only can invest the marginal profit on the T-Bonds monetized by the FED. They don't get to spend more than THAT."
How much are we talking about do you think? What's left on the margin to invest in the stocks? Do you have a dollar amount in mind?
that's the point. so I buy some T-Bonds and the FED monetizes them later. the $5BLN in POMO doesn't mean $5BLN in market manipulation of stocks. it means that the primary dealers get to "reinvest" the profit (2%??? of total???) somewhere else.
20 years ago the S&P was @ 15X earnings now @ 13X 2011 earnings on ZERO expectation of gains. looks a lot like 1993 to me. with upside.
As I stated in response to one of your other posts:
"Talk to me when the dividend yield of the S&P and the P/E are on par with one another as has happened at all bear market bottoms. The 2009 bottom produced a dividend yield of only 4% which I can assure you was far less than the P/E at that time. For the past 20 years everyone has only cared about capital appreciation which is kind of like playing a game of hot potato."
By all means party like it's 1993.
pamriallc: methinks I smell a Fed shill.
funny.. my 401k position doesn't show.
/snark
cnbc telling people right now how important and beneficial HFT is - are they nuts?
yeah i heard that... They help provide liquidity!!!
Great. Are you saying I should not be surprised if Bizarro Superman strolls by today?
When is the revolution starting?
Wadell & Reed...we meet agian!
Quick! The Gov't wants you to sell your farm land.
FDIC Warns of Possible US Farmland 'Bubble'
http://www.cnbc.com/id/39727942
Producing farm land is probably the investment of the century, even dare I say better than Gold. The Gov't and its puppet masters are at it again.
Wow. Unbelievable. I caught part of "The Matrix" briefly on cable yesterday and realized this is what I feel like: There is a massive effort to keep me in an imaginary construct and most of the players are unwitting.
Nice to see that you found the:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keymaker
The Keymaker is one of the sentient programs, rogue to the System. It carves shortcut keys used by every program in the Matrix. With those keys one can move throughout the entire Matrix, being able to access any and all of its entities.[1] Summoned by The Oracle in The Matrix Reloaded, protagonist Neo has to find the Keymaker to access the backdoor to the Architect (also credited as The Source) of the Matrix and ultimately save the only human stronghold in the real world, Zion.
There was a player on the tube the other day talking about buying big farmland. My takeaway: MUST have water.
http://www.drillyourownwell.com/
For about 200$ (1k if your fancy pants submersiple pump, 2k if you want off grid station solar to power it)
And now your have a 2nd water source.
Might want to check out "Baptist well drilling" if your in clay.
You may want to research ground-water levels in the midwest. They have been declining every year. Along with "peak oil", we may have "dip (or deep) ground-water"
The great lakes'... (which make up a large part of the midwest).
The Great Lakes hold 21 percent of the world's surface fresh water.
Another asset ....
I live 50 miles outside of Chicago, city water ...
We will be selling water very soon to the *BRIC'S* ..
GWB knows what's up. 100,000 acres purchased in Paraguay using his daughters name (ha).
"Although official sources have not confirmed the information that is already public, the land is reportedly located in Paso de Patria, near Bolivian gas reserves and the Guarani indigenous water region, within the Triple Border."
GWB know how to drill deep and then, vertical. Just ask him how his wells on the border of Iraq and Saudi Arabia are doing. Oh really?! Prove it MOFO.
Is there any surprise that the US Mariscal Estigarribia Military Base is only a few miles away from his Paraguay ranch?
Paso de Patria is the source of the largest underground water reserves in South America, running beneath Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay (larger than Texas and California together).
Water Bitches!
http://www.thepowerhour.com/news2/bush_paraguay.htm
Of course it's a BUBBLE!, it's something else they want to seize...........wait and see.Anything that allows you to have FREEDOM from the MONSTER Sqid,must be taken from you.
Same with Cell phone use in vehicles, Hands Free..............They want that also.
Screw them,as long as I want a Cell, I will use it with hands free.Next will be radios, and CD payers.
OT: Something I KNOW we'll be seeing a lot more of, as I am surprised it hasn't been a mad dash already.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/39654990/
At no. 20 - Waddell & Reed. It's all their fault...
IDK... this could whole thing cold end up being a classic austrian "meltup" situation here...
I'm going with...
#24
Christ man....I agree it's overvalued but not sure the financial holocaust is coming becuase of it.
Did you hear that BOFA is go forward with foreclosers on Mon? I know...they can go forward all they want, the judge will decide.
Yeah...as if the judges aren't influnced. They are in FULL CONTROL.
Agreed, whoever iRans the first, loses the iLeast.
With that many funds each owning as many shares as they do, do any of them really own anything? AAPL doesn't pay a dividend. With a market cap of $285 billion, it won't get bought out, and each of those funds with an ownership stake has as much say in the operation of the company as Steve Jobs will allow.
No worries, Fidelity & Blackrock are moving into solars. :)
Are they getting Chinese Solars with a spring roll?
If AAPL stays under $300 by 7pm, it will be a blood bath in the morning.
It's a noise to me until it fills the gap back at $280. If it ever sees $275 again, then I'll get beared up.
Off topic, but, CNBC just had this guy, Narang, on that said that the flash crash on May 6 was caused from "this turned out to be just another good ol fashioned human caused panic, liquidity crisis, which we see from time to time, we see at least once a decade and this was no exception to that."
HFT helps us by providing liquidity he says...
ok.
In a stock like this funds below 10mm shares each essentially wash as their will be sufficient marginal buying to offset the marginal selling. Of the holders larger than that Anus (Janus), possibly the worst managed fund ever, is very weak and Since Abigale darling absolutely ruined Fidelity they have been getting hit with redemptions every week so they are very weak as well. All the others are company men so the real question is which company man or combination of company men step up to cover the weak sisters? The Fed will guarantee some arraggement though so don't worry.
Do you remember those hazy days when authoritarian governments were trying to ban the use of BlackBerry handsets because of their encryption capabilities? I wonder why those same authoritarian governments were not trying to ban the use of iPhones and iPads? It's a mystery to me.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell
Iphone has no built-in messaging capability, in that you have to use their easily-monitored plaintext apps or ones that use Google or AOL IM, which presumably are already compromised.
Correctamundo. Only an idiot would use an iPhone.
You guys live in a cave. iPhones are killing RIM phones and that is with a huge advantage internationally for RIM. Apple will continue to cut into that and where they will put RIM into the ground is the corporate market starting in January when the major i-banks unlock their system. Let's also consider that Apple did this in a LOUSY macro environment. Really is pretty incredible. Is it cheap? No, but it's far from expensive (like AMZN for a comparable example).
Terrific. Just remember bull markets always end on bullish news, not the other way around.
LOL - not necessarily true, but this is pretty company specific news. Now if their news starts to trend down, then look out below. Besides, we aren't in a bull market, we are in a governmentally manipulated market. That will crater at some point and aapl will fall too, but on the numbers it's a good quarter. I know it's easy to get caught up in the general bearishness...I'm incredibly bearish. But, that doesn't mean something are worth buying. That's why people have portfolios with multiple positions and hedges.
End? You're talking about an ending? This fucker has just been reborn.
There are two type of investers, those that invest to earn, and those that invest to loose.
Don't let the macro-micro visions of others drain you.
Kind regards,
Tarzan
And presumably RIMM will raise their ASPs as they are being put into the ground?
They are getting killed on the consumer side of the market right now. When the corporate side opens up in January, then they will start losing there too. Their strongest base is international. As Android based phones and iPhones expand globally, they will continue to take share from RIM. I think the stock will have to trade into the 20s before they become cheap enough for someone like MSFT to look at taking them out.
Not sure that answers any part of the question which had only to do with a pricing war leading to margin erosion.
The margin erosion is what should be spooking all these big investors. More competition equals margin pressures. Add a faddish product, iPad, into the mix and margins get eroded more and more.
That alone would lead the smart guys out. But it'll take a while for the sheeple to quit buying the dips like Cramer tells them.
I can deal with margin erosion if net income is up 70%.
Margin erosion : Apple has more pricing power because of the installed user base than any of the dozens of manufacturers of the Droid phone. Margin compression can really only come to Apple in the form of reduced subsidies. They currently get $375.00 per phone. It takes AT&T and soon Verizon, 17 Months before they break into profit on a two year contract. The solution to the monopoly that people thought Apple has or already does have, was to create a similar model that put them under the first time. Intel and Microsoft being the prime beneficiaries. Google and ARM this time except Google still doesn't have the nerve to charge for it's O/S.
The problem though is each manufacturer can only bring a small percentage of the total Droid user base as a leverage tool for subsidies. In addition, their profit stops when the sale is made. There will be as little brand loyalty in the Droid Market as there was in PC Clones in the 80s , and 90s until there was really only two. Carriers then can compress their margins until we see a similar and much faster erosion of players in the Droid space.
Meanwhile , even though Apple regards the App store and content as a non profit business, meaning as long as it breaks even , they are happy for the time being. As they expand their user base and Carriers demand less subsidies to make improvements in their infrastructure , Apple has a number of ways to increase margins by levering up the content or using the leverage of adding 5 billion per quarter to total cash that sits at around 55 Billion right now and beating the carriers over the head with a well placed meeting or PR that threatens their very existence.
At some point a Carrier will realize that Apple can pay cash for a new generation Carrier, perhaps using the broadcast waves that have recently been freed up and are very powerful. They won't want to do it, but with the debt load that Verizon and AT&T carry, they are very vulnerable. This is not a situation they are used to being in . They have always been in the drivers seat As long as that user base keeps expanding and gets through and beyond the 100 million user mark (two more quarters at the current rate) , Apple will be an ATM and with that Cash and User base they can pretty much set the terms which may also include buying enough equity from the dominant carriers they can influence direction.
This one is Apple's to lose. The big chink in their armor is Steve Jobs himself. He is also their greatest strength and he is without question a monopolist. Where that ends up will be seen in a much faster time frame than the PC wars. I have never seen a cash producing corporation like this that actually grows by virtually doubling every year yet instead of consuming capital to finance the growth they are increasing capital as a result of growth and hoarding it too.
Jobs can be and probably will make the Bill Gates of the 90s , beat them till they drop business style look prissy when the time comes.
iPhones are shit compared to Droid phones. The Droid phones are taking market share away. iPads are a fad...most people I know that bought one regret it as there's a lot of overlap with their iPhone.
That's your opinion. The fact is that iPhone sales were up 91% yoy. Hard to argue with that.
You are correct, iPhone sales are up. Whole reason I sold out of this thing back a few weeks ago at 289 was what I was seeing as outrageous expectations for the iPad. It is a fad. Period. Too much overlap.
You need phones in modern life, you don't need an iPad. And they've obviously overproduced the things with tons of inventory everywhere from Target to Walmart. Not good.
iSuppli Reports 4% Sequential Market Share Loss For iPhones As HTC Share Surges By 63%
And in Q4 iPhone units sold 14.1M. Am I missing something, why are you referencing Q1 to Q2, 8.8M to 8.4M?
thats right HTC bitchez, coming to an open platform near you
Words cannot describe how I want to see a POMO baby get tossed out with the bathwater.
AAPL off 6% after hours. Don't worry folks, it's just a response test for the real flash crash they're orchestrating for AAPL later on. You don't think they're going to leave the outcome to chance this time do you? But, they gotta know where to peg the strike price on those deep out of the money puts.
u guys are funny. This is all so insane. When they read about this in 100 years they will just go WOW!
Or I eye ay pad
AAPL has lost $18 billion in market cap after hours.
That market cap would have been enough to swallow seven Investor's Business Daily Top 100 whole. And these are among the top 15 ranked out of the list of 100 stocks:
CMG - 5 billion
JKS - 3 billion
RVBD - 3 billion
TIBX - 3 billion
ARUN - 2 billion
IGTE - 1 billion
VIT - 1 billion
Or, looking at it another way:
That's enough to buy every family in America an iPhone...
Perspective
21. Steve Jobs = 5,546,451 shares * ~$300 = $1,663,935,300
that should be good for 5 complete internal organ transplants...
iLiver
iPancreas
iLung
iHeart
iKidney
I can't believe the comments here. AAPL had some darned good news and you all act like they missed the numbers in a big way. The crash may be coming, but it's going to be on the back of JPM or WFC, not AAPL.
It doesn't take much to start an avalanche. :-)
A significant margin miss and your "magical" new faddish product missing sales estimates substantially, isn't particularly good news. And with an inventory of these things in the zillions at every store imaginable, a miss on estimates doesn't bode well.
I'll bet your mother told you a million times to stop exaggerating. Many buyers, especially businesses, are waiting for iPad v2. The iPad is a fad? People said the iPod was a fad in 2001, then they said iPhone was a fad in 2007. The doubters were a bit off the mark wouldn't you say?
We have yet to see the final pieces of Jobs' grand design. Hint: the data center in NC coming online later this year is a prototype. Another hint, look up the background and work done by a little company called Siri. They were acquired by Apple six months ago. Put two and two together.
yep and forward looking guidance not as hot: declining market share in phones and falling sales of iPods.....let's see if tablets are just a fad?
Did anyone just see the ISmash? I checked market watch and there was a jump from 300 to 320 and then almost instantly back down to 300? Man someone needs to do some maintenance on their algo, the things going ape sh**.
Don't count these guys out yet. Every analyst and their mothers on line and tv telling everyone to buy this dip. They're desperate and won't sell IMO for another Q if it isn't quite as rosy as expected. Til then, it'll drift around as they pound the table to buy, buy, buy the dips to protect their jobs.
was that information?
Shouldn't Forrest Gump be on that list?
RIM Blackberrys are used by enterprises and governments because they are secure end to end. If your organization runs their own Blackberry Enterperise Server it integrates with your company's mail system (Exchange, Domino, etc.) and have your own Certificates you have complete cryptographic control over the data. Add to that the way you can lock down the device with IT policies and how you send a command to wipe it at a moment's notice and you have the most secure mobile device on the market.
iPhone/Droid have SSL and that's it. (VPNs are an add-on so there are gaps in implementation)
World governments and dictatorial intelligence services are not clamoring for "keys" to iPhones or Droids even though they hold the most market share. Those devices (unless very well hardened with custom hacks) are WIDE OPEN to any kind of organization with government-level resources.
Blackberrys on the other hand are secure.
Secure from a goverment with a supercomputer (for a long timeframe).
RIM might not make a good UI, or a device that doesn't crash at least 2 times a week, or a Web Browser worth a shit, but they got the security RIGHT.
Precisely. Just install the BES, and you have end-to-end connectivity inside the corporate, with all the security taken care of. Whereas, the Apple and Android devices are always going to have issues, not just on the communications end of things, but also, internally.
They're also dramatically less data-hungry because the overall platform does a terrific job of compressing attachments and messages. A 100mb PDF that's set up to display on a 1920x1200 display or print at 1200dpi full colour, gets parsed down to something that is economical to display on the BlackBerry's small screen. The data savings are enormous. Which is why the BlackBerry devices and plans can be offered by carriers at a substantial discount -- they simply use far less telco resources.
BTW, I tried to explain all this to Reggie Middleton in a previous post when he came out and did his monthly "slamming" of RIM...
NoControl,
You make somegood points, but while Android and iPhone may have the biggest share of new unit sales, I doubt they have the biggest share of the installed base. Governments are slow and don't "get" change, so they are going after BB first. I don't think this can be interpreted as a judgement that Apple and Google devices are hackable.
I'm not buying stock in RIM but I have a blackberry for that very reason. And believe me, I told them so last weekend when I was bitching them out because the 5.0 operating system wouldn't update on my replacement (I dropped the original in the tub).
I hope you're not saying you couldn't put your B-berry down while taking a bath. That seems a bit overboard.
Apple was at $300 all the way back on October 13th!
No. 20 Waddell & Reed will be the one which blinks first
The top 100 are ALL systemic.
Get a free A in computer sci with ipad purchase.
Get out of a traffic ticket with iphone purchase.
I really hope the people who are going to make their move do it before nov 2.
what i find most interesting is the number of deep value investors on this list, including Fayez Sarofim and Shumway.
AAPL is deep value? Really?
I'm in awe of their performance during this recession, but wonder how long it can last.
Surely individuals and businesses are reviewing the true utility of smartphones? Strikes me as one of those items "first to cut".
Also wonder how many products will be sold as manufacturer constraints become more onerous? Apple, Windoze, Hollywood...after a while you just mutter "Fuck you - keep it".
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/opinion/post/-/blog/jasjordan/post/4/comment/1/
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ipad
Are you kidding ?? All will be forgotten tomorrow. Apple will be $350 by month end.
new avatar!
sentiment shift? time to take some profits?
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