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Merrill's RateLab On GSE's: The Denouement

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Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:49 | Link to Comment Hansel
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Last week the administration said they were "light years away" from a plan like WaPo proposed.  The big push for healthcare and climate change legislation makes me think the administration isn't too worried about FRE and FNM right now.  This is going to drag out forever...

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 08/11/2009 - 20:14 | Link to Comment nazir2000
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hahhahahahhha

 

you made my day !

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:02 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:07 | Link to Comment ratava
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like just post them and let the user decide?

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:13 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 21:13 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 21:35 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 00:09 | Link to Comment bernbear (not verified)
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:37 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 19:39 | Link to Comment Marley
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second dat.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:08 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Typical self-serving drivel.  The argument that we need the GSEs in any way, shape or form is false, perpetuated by Wall Street dealers and mortgage originators who benefit from their existence (gee, I wonder how much GOS revenue BofA is going to book this quarter from agency MBS?).

The comparison to the cost of creating a jumbo structure today with agency MBS today is bullshit.  What is the real cost of agency MBS today?  Bernanke is the only real buyer.  The agencies have been bailed out to the tunes of tens of billions and counting.  We, the taxpayer, and anyone who holds USD, is paying a pretty high price to generate a par price on a Fannie 4.5% MBS today.

A jumbo securitization is probably cheaper if you add in all those costs.

Even better would be a covered bond, where the bank originates and holds the risk.

Housing finance seems to work pretty well in other countries, who don't have monsters like Fannie and Freddie.  The arguments in this paper are self-serving, put out by an organization that benefits very nicely by being able to shove off credit risk to the public (or a "private corporation" with a government backstop - yeah, that model worked so fucking well).

We need FHA to support affordable housing goals, and a private covered bond market for everything else.

 

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:42 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:49 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Expect the same analysis by the shills from JPM, Wells/Wachovia, and Citi.  And of course Goldman and MS, who help them sell debt - to the Fed.  And of course the Fed money is managed by Blackrock, who will also come out in support of "GSE reform" that suits them.

Lots of taxpayer-funded fees to strip off.

Not to mention the FHLB debt, someone has to help them sell it.  Those stupid entities could go away as well under a covered bond model.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 19:10 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Wed, 08/12/2009 - 00:11 | Link to Comment bernbear (not verified)
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:45 | Link to Comment BoeingSpaceliner797
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A lot of people are not aware of the fact.  Kind of scary that a privately owned bank controls our currency and charges us interest to print it, IMO.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 21:27 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 11:40 | Link to Comment BoeingSpaceliner797
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Rhetorical question:  which prints the money and charges Treasury for it, Board of Governors or the Federal Reserve Bank? 

Wed, 08/12/2009 - 11:49 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_System#Check_Clearing_System you will n eed to decipher all the complex language, but the answer is FBR

Wed, 08/12/2009 - 13:12 | Link to Comment BoeingSpaceliner797
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yes, it is the FRB.  not picking on you cheeky but the question was rhetorical.  again, not picking on you, keep sharing info.

Wed, 08/12/2009 - 13:45 | Link to Comment BoeingSpaceliner797
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cb,

hoping my initial reply did not come across as rude.  most of my posts are rhetorical by design or by result (i have mastered self-defecation, uh, deprecation; lol).  i appreciate your replies and willingness to share ideas/info.  you are probably already aware of the following site but, just in case:
http://solari.com/
if info alleged there is true, it is pretty nauseating.  forewarned.

Wed, 08/12/2009 - 00:51 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:22 | Link to Comment monsterrate (not verified)
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Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:24 | Link to Comment BoeingSpaceliner797
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Did Merrill Lynch just say something?  Other than attempting to glean from whence the next train wreck will come, I stopped listening to them a long time ago.  All that said, thank you Tyler for posting this.  It confirms one area from which many people believe the next/continuation of a train wreck will come.

 

-797
"If I was a river, I'd run uphill.
If you call me, you know I will."

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:30 | Link to Comment bearplunge (not verified)
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:34 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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try not to re-post your garbage on every post here; and it is odd that all you trolls come here right after the market closes ...

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:46 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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No kidding.  BTW, the CEO of AMAT is on Bloomberg TV today.  He was saying they are basically an Asian company now - 70%+ of business from Asia, results driven largely by China stimulus/bubble forming.

Hope that doesn't stop.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:57 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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yes, and they were given a contract by Abu Dhabi to develop the technology for the biggest solar farm on the planet which is being built near Abu Dhabi. They, basically rely on foreign government spending. That is their business plan; and i am not sure whether its a sustainable one when it comes to China, but when it comes to Abu Dhabi they will be doing some serious business there, because this solar farm is expected to be in construction by 2020. Right now they are at first stage ( testing various materials, positions, angles etc) .... But if China manages to increase domestic demand and stops relying on the US and Europe for its exports we can easily see AMATs stock plunge more than 50% .... And i DO think China will manage to increase domestic demand solely by observing the ammount of the present stimulus and the amount of future ones. But to cut a long story short, AMAT is a good company as long as China is re-balancing their economy, after that; wouldnt be so sure.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 18:47 | Link to Comment BoeingSpaceliner797
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Hello CB.  Been trying to figure out all the crap, ratings nonsense you were getting on another thread.  From what I've seen, you have shared/posted some interesting material.  Please keep doing so, I have enjoyed it.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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thank you 797, but i have cleared things out with those posters. They don't bother me, i only get upset when they try to insult me on a national basis, nothing else. Bunch of goddamn bigots.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 19:06 | Link to Comment BoeingSpaceliner797
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Just noticed new avatar.  Love it. 

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 19:10 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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lol... i think that might be one of the main causes of the attacks i get recently; strangely, no one said anything to me while my avatar was Turbo Timmy... dunno, people usually dogmatically lean towards one side of the political arena and are blind by realities that go around them ...

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 19:14 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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no

Wed, 08/12/2009 - 11:15 | Link to Comment BoeingSpaceliner797
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But cheeky I believe you agree that, in reality, there is only one side to the political arena.  Two parties?  Smoke and mirrors.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 19:10 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 08/11/2009 - 20:16 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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I think the Seattle FHLB is technically insolvent.  Or it was until the accounting rules changed.

Wed, 08/12/2009 - 11:20 | Link to Comment BoeingSpaceliner797
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ghost,

 

Used to commute to work with somebody who worked at one of the FHLB branches.  He was telling me in January that 10 out of 12 branches would be technically insolvent if FASB 157 was not amended as each would have significant OTIs without amendment.  I kept quiet about it to protect his anonymity.  Within a week or less, I overheard several FAs talking about it at work.  I guess I was the only one keeping it quiet.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 19:46 | Link to Comment Bubby BankenStein
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The Rate Lab report is important.  It is loaded with mumbo jumbo intended to generate more support for subsidies for the GSE's so that the pitiful holders of GSE investments are further subsidized.

The GSE's are proven disasters resulting from the government meddling where it does not belong.

We have to bite the bullet.  Let these monstrosities die and RIP.  So what if so many trillions of other peoples money goes up in smoke.  They made the mistake of putting their money where they did.

The government needs to withdraw it's intrusion into business.

What disturbs more sophisticated financiers is the behaviour of The Federal Reserve.  They think the Fed has become chock full of loans to questionable institutions backed by collateral they are not willing to talk about.  And to make matters worse, the Fed is purchasing GSE securities backed by depreciating collateral.

These financiers are not neophytes or fools.

Cloaked divestiture of USD holdings are a priority.  Got to be careful, under the radar.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 21:18 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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"We have to bite the bullet.  Let these monstrosities die and RIP."

 

It's far too late for more talk.  Now is high time for the mass public to realize that "we" have zero say in how taxpayer money is truly being used (with the exception of sporadic government social programs).  It's great to debate on various TV shows and MSM papers about whether Bernanke/Paulson/etc was the saviour or the fool last year.  And about what "we" should do about the messes that the Government has already gobbled up and put control of right in the hands of the Banksters.  And so on, and so on - feeling like "we" can influence a solution in the slightest way.

 

The outrage about the Fed should now be at palpable levels.  At such a point where the discussion is no longer what their next move "should" be, but how to disassemble it.  We all can talk and yell until we're blue in the face about this policy of theirs, or the fallacy of that solution...  The truth is that all the major decisions are, and have been, made behind the scenes by private parties with their own interests at heart - not the country's.  The Fed has had the major hand in causing these wild economic swings, and the banks control the credit/money supply to reinforce the game.  There is no "risk" anymore to the connected financial institutions.  The government now has agencies to use to facilitate transfers.  Massive, mind-blowing financial transfers.  All made possible by changing/implementing "acts" in Congress - written by and lobbied for by the banking interests made to benefit.

 

Maybe because the rise of various "blogs" have shown the revolutionary power of the Internet on communication, and ZeroHedge along with a few others have brought about needed attention on issues that caused reaction (and acknowledgement) by the MSM - and subsequent action by politicians/officials...  It gives hope to the masses that no longer can the dominant Media solely control information distribution.  People can choose what to believe and what to dispute or research further.  And possibly draw the attention of the officials who will take a stand.

 

HR 1207 is an awesome start to expose the Fed.  Hopefully it is just the start; the first minor step.  I couldn't agree more with the posts above by Bubby and Ghost (and of course others in prior topics).  Now is a great time to shine a bright light on the transgressions by the Fed and the transfers going on with taxpayer money.

Wed, 08/12/2009 - 11:22 | Link to Comment BoeingSpaceliner797
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gilgamesh,

when you're right, you are very right.  HR1207 is a nice start.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 20:11 | Link to Comment Pizza Delivery Man
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SRS SKF up

FNM FRE up

Something about that relationship seems disfunctional.

 

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 20:16 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Pizza Delivery Man
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I don't think there is a reason for it. It's a temporary dislocation IMO. I own SRS/SKF and sold calls on FNM/FRE today.

Hopefully it works out.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 21:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 08/11/2009 - 21:29 | Link to Comment Pizza Delivery Man
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The right answer....

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 23:12 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 01:05 | Link to Comment Pizza Delivery Man
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?

Wed, 08/12/2009 - 09:24 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 08/11/2009 - 20:26 | Link to Comment Howard_Beale
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Wow, Harley freaking Bassman, I haven't talked to him since 1989. Figured him for dead since he was always insane. Now he has proven he is. We were the few elite institutional options on MBS traders from way back when. Glad to see he is taking his meds after reading this tripe.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 20:51 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 08/12/2009 - 00:32 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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At this point I wouldn't even care if the bond and preferreds got paid off in full by the taxpayers.  As long as we get rid of those monsters.

Tue, 08/11/2009 - 21:04 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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