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Michael Moore Musings, Dylan Ratigan On Reasons For Leaving CNBC
In the continuing absence of WalStreetPro2, we present something comparable in the spirit and body of Michael Moore. Additionally, for the sequel to Capitalism, Mr. Moore may consider grabbing a baseball bat and commencing a tour de force of the United States, side by side everyone's favorite protagonist, reaping the rewards of axing fragile made in China printers, disco balls and microwave ovens.
Also, some useful revalations from Mr Ratigan himself:
"You're talking to someone who left his job at CNBC in order to pursue politicians because of his frustration and anger at the revelation of a system that was clearly designed basically to perpetuate generational theft and the cover it up."
Is the conlcusion that CNBC in addition to promoting turbofan engines, is sponsored by Generational Theft And Cover Up, LLC? ...That's rhetorical.
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Disco balls, ha ha. This Durden guy is on a roll.
DR the Gotham GE Riddler working on borrowed time.
Maybe he could go into witness protection?
MM could make a movie of him first...
http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID3251493
LOL. He still gets a paycheck from GE. Amazing cojones.
He's got pictures of...Immelt?
Tyler, one of the more ironic parts of this story is who financed the film ....
The film should be titled; Capitalism aka Feudalism: A love Story.
For more understanding;
Feudalism aka American Capitalism
by David F.
http://www.mindmined.com/public_library/nonfiction/david_f_feudalism_aka_capitalism.html
I like that Ratigan guy. Lol he said "You should not be able to leave SEC and go work for GS." The squid is mad.
Sheila got an early start this week, normally the first failures happen after 6PM EST.
#95
Failed bank: Georgian Bank, Atlanta GA
Acquiring bank: First Citizens Bank & Trust
Vitals: as of July 24th, assets of $2 billion, deposits of ~$2 billion
DIF Damage: $892 million
Ratigan and Ron Paul yesterday had a field day with the audacity of the FED.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ5e5MfEY2o
While making millions from his movies, Moore condemns the very system that is instumental in building his fortune as well as the spreading of his flawed one sided rubbish.
The very sight of this hypocrite makes me want to vomit on my feet.
Agreed. HE should be forced to remain in Flint and rent a basement suite.
How dare he speak against corruption, backdoor deals, and crony capitalism! AND make money doing it.
The difference is I don't think he is breaking any laws by making this movie, he is just exposing the hypocrisy.
I used to dislike him, but then I thought, without people like Michael Moroe presentaing a 'biased' perspective, the world would be like an episode of FAST MONEY. EVRYONE talking with the same viewpoint. BORING>
He makes people think and gives a venue for what the majority are thinking.
Is he entirely accurate? No, but is the F ED or JPM or GS entirely honest and forthcoming in their dealings? Nein.
He gives the common man a voice. And yes to those in power I can see why they would hate him.
No no no...1/2 truths about many topics are not the voice of common man. If he seeks to raise common man up, to release him from the shackles , common man deserves the whole truth. Not sound bytes to fit an agenda to paint the picture in black and white. By doing so MM , chooses to be divisive; for many see thru the charade of sleight of hand reporting and over-the-top populism that simplifys the problem and the solution. I find it revealing that many take him so serious for presenting such complex subjects in 2 hour clips.
What's so complex about the largest transfer of wealth from the poorest in society to the richest!!! 'Simplifies'?? How lucky that the tools of transfer are something that not even Paul Volcker understands let alone the 'common man'. Working Americans on minimum wage don't have time to drift about on the financial sites of the internet all day - and dabble in flipping stocks. Michael Moore serves an essential purpose and I don't consider his abilities as bilking others - whereas I do consider pretty much the whole financial edifice as bilking.
Enkidu - I agree completely. The vast majority don't have the time or background knowledge to discover and then understand the complex details behind what is occurring but they correctly surmise that they are getting royally screwed. And as pointed out in this interview, the primary culprits in the game are a corporate media that no longer serves as a government watchdog and a government owned by lobbyists. However, the remedies that they mention for this sad state of affairs simply will not work until the vast majority of people take the time and effort to follow them and I'm certain that will not happen without a complete systemic collapse. Then, given human nature, the "efforts for change" may not be pretty or even correct.
Yes, I agree with you 80378 - there must be a collapse... If power (money) is to be wrenched from our masters it will pretty unappetizing!
Yes, I agree with you 80378 - there must be a collapse... If power (money) is to be wrenched from our masters it will pretty unappetizing!
80409 (aka 80413): Uh, I think you might be referring to that "incorrect" method I mentioned. Due to the dumbed-down nature of the average American (the popularity of Faux News being good evidence of that among others) we'd probably end up with something like what the Germans got in the 1930s. Something like what Sinclair Lewis predicted in his book of that era: "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
And as far as "the little guy" ever winning anything for a sustained period of time:
"A truly democratic society has never existed and so far as we can see, never will exist. Society is of its nature oligarchical, and the power of the oligarchy always rests upon force and fraud. James Burnham does not deny that ‘good’ motives may operate in private life, but he maintains that politics consists of the struggle for power, and nothing else. All historical changes finally boil down to the replacement of one ruling class by another. All talk about democracy, liberty, equality, fraternity, all revolutionary movements, all visions of Utopia, or ‘the classless society’, or ‘the Kingdom of Heaven on earth’, are humbug (not necessarily conscious humbug) covering the ambitions of some new class which is elbowing its way into power. The English Puritans, the Jacobins, the Bolsheviks, were in each case simply power seekers using the hopes of the masses in order to win a privileged position for themselves. Power can sometimes be won or maintained without violence, but never without fraud, because it is necessary to make use of the masses, and the masses would not co-operate if they knew that they were simply serving the purposes of a minority. In each great revolutionary struggle the masses are led on by vague dreams of human brotherhood, and then, when the new ruling class is well established in power, they are thrust back into servitude. This is practically the whole of political history, as Burnham sees it."
Call me a pessimist... and you'd be correct! I agree with Burnham. Unfortunately, history is on my side. It's "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Since 50% of the people you see daily on the street are on the left side of the IQ bell curve, that result is always guaranteed.
"I tried that 'positive thinking' stuff! And I knew it wouldn't work and, sure enough, it didn't!" Rebecca Howe, Cheers
The King is dead --- Long live the King... (Enkidu)
Rebecca, I could not have said it better myself! Good Job
Who are you?
Go right ahead. If that is what you consider useful.
At least Moore is trying to do something constructive ... unlike the banksters.
I don't know who you are but I strongly second all of your comments!
He would be doing this as long as he could make a living doing it. Many founding fathers were fat cats from trading with the British. Were they hypocrites also?
John Hancock owned the fastest sloop Liberty used to
smuggle untaxed tea and goods past the British. He
sponsored Samuel Adams, who defended his case in court
when caught and impounded...
This is not a very compelling argument.
First, you would need to prove that Moore could only find success in the American-style crony capitalist system that he is criticizing. Considering that his films and books have always performed well in socialist European countries, this point is null.
Second, if we follow your statement to its logical conclusion, whistle blowers everywhere are hypocrites who have no valid point when they criticize a system or organization that they themselves have benefitted from. Fortunately, most people don't see the world through such a stark filter.
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Third, you WANT to vomit on your feet. Is there a sexual component to your fetishism?
As many insults that may be slung at him, Michael Moore doesn't really strike me as corrupt. You really think he shorted GE when he made "Roger and Me"? To say someone presents a "biased point of view" is meaningless. Everyone presents a biased point of view to convince you of their beliefs. Go watch your CNBS/Faux News since it's "unbiased".
I know, I know, you hate it when a fat whiny liberal touches the hearts and minds of America's middle class, and makes millions doing it... Sour grapes buddy.
As I remember, MM had a prime seat at the Democrat convention (coronation?) next to that other free market libertarian by the name of Jimmy Carter. Notice he has no criticism for Obama's bailout of GM nor Chrysler since the UAW made out like bandits on that one. Just like the rest of them, transfers of money from the Treasury are bad UNLESS they are transfers to the right people.
My guess is CNBC is working with Walstreetpro2 on a new show to replace the idiot, Dennis Kneal. We can only hope, because when WSpro2 bashes China, he really bashes China. If they were to air the show after 10 PM we wouldn't need to "beep" the comentary.
"Generational Theft And Cover Up, LLC"
That about sums it up.
He's no ordinary millionaire: net worth $50+ million.
(1) A person who engages in the same behaviors he condemns others for.
(2) A person who professes certain ideals, but fails to live up to them.
(3) A person who holds other people to higher standards than he holds himself.
Is MM saying its wrong to be wealthy? Or that the US citizens are paying for Wall Streets corruption, largesse and crime?
How has MM committed crimes and got US taxpayer money to become wealthy? I figured it was through DVD and box office sales....
we don't really understand your post: how does be worth $50M equate to those 3 items. we're not defending Phat Mike, but we also don't think that he's saying that being wealthy is necessarily bad, but how one earns that wealth.
we also don't believe that making movies causes anyone else to suffer...unless you're forced to pay $10 to see one of his flicks just because your chick wants to...but that's not his problem anyhow.
having 50M doesn't make you a scumbag. needing to lie cheat and steal to get another 50M+ does. do you disagree with anything you heard from MM or DR? stuff few others have the cajones to utter publicly. you have details on how mm engages in the same behaviors as the banks gs etal, what exactly are they? you have details re how mm fails to life up to the ideals he professes about people lying cheating and stealing and defrauding others to get 50M, what are they? how exactly has mm stooped to a lower standard than any of the scumbags we revile daily? you are dd&b or one of them.
Source, please.
Just repeating what Mr. Moore had to say, among other things, regarding his financial picture - when interviewed by Howard Stearn this week:
1. His net worth (including house) is 1mm;
2. He drives a five year old minivan w/ 100k on the odometer;
3. He lives a relatively simple lifestyle;
4. Regarding family values, he is conservative.
Those are his words - coming from his mouth. You don't buy it? Call him on it, Bill O'Reilly. Otherwise, your points are empty.
Wrong reply - meant to reply to #8044.
Well, I know he owns a $3 Million house on Torch Lake in Michigan.
By now, surely the house has been reassessed at $1.2M and the mortgage is held by a small village in Denmark.
"He'll have to make 2 more movies to pay off the paper".
Where's the segment where the guy lays out Geitner?! That teaser at the end is nowhere near enough.
http://www.comcast.net/video/capitalism-a-love-story-geithner/1274007383/
Michael Moore does the people he "represents" a discredit every time he makes a "documentary". He purposefully distorts the facts and is extremely sensationalist. In the end, the unenlightened populous watches his film, cares about the cause for all of 2 hours and then forgets all about it. In the meantime, the glaring holes in the documentary become fodder for the opposition. I was extremely disappointed to hear that he was making a film about this, because it will only serve to make his side of the argument a humorous joke instead the incredibly important issue that it is.
Purposefully distorting the facts and being sensationalist is the game Wall Street plays everyday. There are bigger fish to fry than Michael Moore.
So #80202 just proves that two wrongs do make a right. At least in our present hyper-partisan universe this may be true. Let's consider an alternative suggestion. Perhaps if we could find a quorum of sane minded adults who could sit down and calmly discuss the "Problem of the Bigs" (Big Finance, Big Fed and Big Government, all of whom are in a Big Bed together), well lubricated by an overabundance of moral hazard, we as a society could begin to expose the elements of a solution somewhere short of catastrophe.
Anyone denigrating American citizens who protest anything is a major douche. Micael Moore still plays the elite game of "teabaggers" vs. "someone". Did it ever occur to this pinhead swine that the people protesting gov't policy are the true patriots? NO, he is a major douche, a part of the problem.
Moore has joined and led protests quite often and educated many Americans which has led to them in turn protesting. I guess since your denigrating him, it makes you a major douche and a hypocrite as well...
Moore is practicing his craft, he is not a protester, he is a film maker. I don't begrudge him his success but I don't fall in line with his divisive crap. He bows at the lord Obamas feet. He also reminds me of that O.J. detective, Mark Furhman, framing guilty people, the dishonesty he projects literally reeks, he could just be truthful and do a lot better.
There are a million and one ways of being a hypocrite. Michael Moore is not one. You and others imply that if he wants to make films, fine, except he should not make influential protest films. As if he should merely get rich by making any other films besides "leftist propaganda." In truth, unlike many of those he criticizes, he believes in his message. Through the popularity of his films, his wealth is a mere side effect of his message's power. He's far from being a hypocrite.
He can make any kind of film he wants, I just don't have to buy into his phoney crap. He is way too partisan to be of any use on any issue. If he were to drop the Obama worship and stop taking sides, he would win me over but as long as he is stirring up right vs. left propaganda and not pointing out the obvious (It's the people vs. the political/economic elite), he is just another clever shill.
He can make all the money he wants, and judging by the Wal-Mart crowd he will probably make quite a bit more. The sad thing is, people leave his movies thinking they informed.
Doh!
pinhead swine?
i didn't hear moore denigrating either of the protesting groups of citizens. i heard him refer to their serious dismay and distress at being screwed over.
as for your alter ego preceding comment: having 50M doesn't make you a scumbag. needing to lie cheat and steal to get another 50M+ does. do you disagree with anything you heard from MM or DR? stuff few others have the cajones to utter publicly. you have details on how mm engages in the same behaviors as the banks gs etal, what exactly are they? you have details re how mm fails to life up to the ideals he professes about people lying cheating and stealing and defrauding others to get 50M, what are they? how exactly has mm stooped to a lower standard than any of the scumbags we revile here daily? you are dd&b-- or one of them.
He referred to Tea Party protesters as "Tea Baggers", how cute. He is obviously not "every man".
He also appears to be smelly.
You do realize that the "Tea Party" protesters are lacking in credibility with the majority of America as being nothing more than an astro-turf movement. If I thought there was any grass roots to the movement and not simply a gimmick to oppose everything Obama does, I might be more willing to accept them. If they would just criticize equally both sides (Reps and Dems), I would accept them. You personally may not be this way but the movement itself and those who push it should be viewed with a critical eye as to motive.
You are buying into the MSM "astroturf" lie. If you were to take an objective look at who is showing up for these things, you would see that the people aren't partisan hacks. Democrats and Republicans both get the rhubarb with these people. How can you be so naive as to believe MSM spin? Of course there are some GOP types trying to usurp favor for their own agenda but that doesn't mean they are succeeding.
If you want to look at "astroturfing", where did all the anti-war protesters go?
Oh, I forgot, Obama is the peace candidate! LOL
JohnKing,
You are so dead on correct with the Tea Party movement. It is stunning to me that those in power denigrate, ignore and laugh at this movement.
I see the Paramount viral marketing ghouls disappeared once the headline went past the fold.
I din't hear him say that. He was condemning the inequities in the system and the dirty politicians who took money from banks.
He also warned of violence if the politicians aren't responsive to the people.
No disrespect, but I think you should listen to the interview again.
WTF - should have replied to #80082.
Does this Ratigan character realize that he still works for GE?
Interesting, to say the least, that he is given airtime for his shenanigans.
http://lolfed.com/2009/09/22/maybe-were-not-in-on-the-joke/
Loved this. Pretty much says all one needs to know about the man.
the cited commentary is snarky and sophomoric. and you loved it?
hmmm.
I often wind down with sophomoric scribblings at the end of a long day. Makes me feel young. Maybe the WSJ version is more your style:
http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2009/09/22/a-review-of-michael-moores-new-mov...
I still think WallStreetPro2 should be made co-host of Mad Money and should get to chase the current host around the set with a bat, ax, what have you (maybe if I keep on suggesting this, somebody important will notice and get it done?).
Met Moore once. BIG guy. Don't remember a smell, but my nose could well have been congested...
Thank God for Michael Moore. Every right wing douche ridiculed him in 2003 on his Iraq stance, the has been proven right. And why does MM not have the right to take on GS? Because he's not a blogger? Fuck that and fuck Limbaugh.
all the people slagging on MM for giving 1/2 truths are the same people who spew their own 1/2 truths here on this site ... now on the same topic as MM! Yes sir, I'd like another helping of cognitive dissonance, please.
Freidman put it best in this you tube classic whith Donahue (80's version of Oprah)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76frHHpoNFs
Not a big Moore fan, but he makes the most important point.
Rather than fighting city hall, become city hall.
Public elections are utter nonsense. How do you get nominated to such an election other than by being a party hack? Can Unions promote certain candidates to their membership? Why shouldn't Bloomberg be able to finance his own campaign- because he didn't spend his whole life climbing a Party ladder?
Private financing is bad but it's the only choice we have. Politicians cannot buy votes, only publicity; it's up to us- the electorate- to pay attention, get involved, and be wary of corruption. Communist, Fascist, Capitalist: a system will only be as good as the citizens who make up said system.
the fundamental question is, "what is the aversion to truth"? To make money and have control at the current moment, is predicated upon being dishonest and engage in criminal like activity. Is it really so hard to make money and be a peaceful society? How do we turn this around people? I predict within 2 weeks there will be a "terror" attack on u.s. soil, to distract and divert attention to issues at hand...most likely blame Iran. This week they stopped 3 plots, and, said that they were lucky to catch them before they were successful. They said that they will not be able to stop them all. The hype from the media is a prelude and predictable element for future events to come soon! I will go so far to say that washington d.c. is the most likely target...hope to god that i am wrong!
Michael Moore is a douche.
Disclosure: I don't believe that Moore is serious - just promoting his movie.
Having said this, IF he took his camera and focused them on Pelosi/Reid/Obama (y'know, those people that he previously supported!) and asked THEM for the changes in politics/governing that were just discussed on the program - I will THEN stand and salute him.
Until this occurs, or he talks about Rahm Emanuel and how he made $16+ million in about two years as an "investment banker" after leaving the Clinton Administration, then I'll just think of him as as all sizzle, but no steak.
Financial complex made money exploiting America <-> MM takes the exploitation of America and makes money.
Yin is not that different from yang, just a different color.
Moore's book "Stupid White Men" was an autobiography right? That some of you people take him seriously is truly amazing - yeah right, capitalism is the problem, not corporatism and fascism.
Walstreetpro2 said his next video would be with a chain saw. I hope he didn't hurt himself.
How long has he been MIA for?
Over a month, I am starting to get worried. He has logged in to his Youtube account, so whatever he did wasn't fatal.
Steven Crowder may be the Michael Moore of the right
Good stuff...Totally rips MM and is Pro Gun!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9qAvQtvSy8
MM is a usefull idiot. Just Lenin said!
it pains me to see "fat ass" and his propaganda yet again
Moore is right; Wall Street Banks are scum.
Moore is entirely correct on the need for public funded elections. Its the only way to save this country, albeit a long shot.
''Our banking system'' No, it's a private banking system. Our banking system does not exist. What exists is a Fed note to self and it says ''New Secular Order''. In case you have not figured out why there is a tomb on that note, ''it's a dead principle''. Forgive me but, my labor is bound by a bunch of American idiots in debt to being stupid. America is owned by a private criminal enterprise of globalists hell bent on serving their own interest at ZERO!!! Guess what, I have lost interest in that note and I'm not going to buy, sell or trade it. It's over, done, finished. Anyone serving or protecting that private Fed note is a hell bound fool. These two guys better get right with Christ and pull their heads out of the black hole, and that goes for everyone dumb enough to still be providing labor for the Fed note that has aborted them and entombed and entire global generation. The time is now upon this generation to be risen in agreement or for it to perish.
Matt Taibbi says this at
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/21289
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The setup always goes the other way: when the excesses of business interests and their political proteges in Washington leave the regular guy broke and screwed, the response is always for the lower and middle classes to split down the middle and find reasons to get pissed off not at their greedy bosses but at each other. That’s why even people like Beck’s audience, who I’d wager are mostly lower-income people, can’t imagine themselves protesting against the Wall Street barons who in actuality are the ones who fucked them over.
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While you are fighting about how rich MM is, think about MTaibbis words from above.
Should you not pick up a fight about MM's suggestion on how to fix the system? That is the most important thing you should learn about from that video.
Do you know that congress and senate people have to spend more time on getting sponsors then in their seat at the houses. They have so many days off (more then half a year)so they can pursue donators. And next election depends on how much cash can they get. Simple solution is a PUBLIC FINANCED ELECTIONS, just listen what MM says about that..
Listen to this man. Every time a middle American working class person votes for a Republican because they have "good moral values" I know this country will never do anything about corruption because they're too concerned with whether some guys in S.F. want to bone each other,even if that means voting someone who will effect policy changes to screw them out of every last penny they have. And yes the democrats are no better,, just making an example. I don't vote for candidates from either party.
I personally believe every social issue; race, abortion, sexual orientation, religion, is just a means to keep the lower and middle classes divided and distracted while the upper 1% take everything from them. Sheeple.
Vote in a Kantian manner. Don't vote for lesser evils or because that third party will never win anyway. Vote for who you want to run the country.
Radigan is completely nuts . . . . . He was the good soldier at CNBC , now all of a sudden he's the objective critic . . .
Barney Frank comes to mind here: " On what planet do you spend most of your time?"
MM, the 8 figure anti-capitalist? Charlatan!