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Here comes the populist revolt.
hat tip Stephen
"...almost like an Intelligence operation..."
Lmao..good one! +10
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Hypocrisy by Mr. Moore to the extreme. Without Capitalism, funds would not exist to fulfill his bullshit. This reminds me of people who pledge against capitalism while they are on their Apple laptop funded by Daddy's companies' money so they don't have to work and instead can criticize capitalism which has in fact laid their golden egg and has given them the right to criticize it.
You've expressed the typical petty-bourgeois attitude, m'boy. Stuck between the big boys and the proles are ya?
Remember this lingo???
So what you're saying is that those early pioneers of capitalism who fought and died in the struggle against Feudalism were hypocrites because of course the food the ate and the clothes they wore were the products of Feudal production. In fact it is an argument that can be made against all human progress throughout history. And indeed it was made against the early proponents of capitalism.
Arrest all of Wall Street.
Throw Michael Moore in with them.
We'll see who wins the fight for the PBJ sandwich and survives.
Elizabeth Warren played the part perfectly! Hilarious!
I see it this way...this should scare that crap out of the SIA...target is all the stupid ppl who pay the most taxes that supports this Banana Republic. Everything you always wanted to know about Wall Street, and nobody would tell you??? sit back, grab the popcorn and it will be acted out in real time with real crooks!
Rating is Dangerous if you are broke and unemployed. But don't dismay, you can order your pitchfork at MichaelMore.com
Oh, please what a porker that one is. He is totally clueless, tasteless and a perfect match for Dearest Leader et.al.
+1... He plays to the mindless bot that can't do their homework or read between lines.
-2 Nothing but ad hominem slams. Moore made Fahrenheit 911 when most of the country was still buying the Cheney and Bush lies. It took courage and a perceptive mind to make that movie. I love the guy... a national treasure.
He tends to be a propagandist,which puts me off, but he's on the right side of this mess with the new movie. Note the howls of criticism coming from the "revolutionaries" here . . . moneyed-ass-kissing sycophants who know, when push comes to shove, exactly where their bread is buttered.
I agree, completely. I often don't agree with him or his tactics (too much deceiving editing for my tastes) but I'm endlessly entertained by him, he offers a point of view that exists to be accepted or countered, and SOMEONE needs to stick it to Paulson, GS, and his fellow crooks.
The other side are always 'propagandist'.
You, of course, are 'objective' and 'rational'.
That mindless Bot elected the dictators to benefit our enemies!!!!
The majority of our country is made up of people who read between the 8th and 9th grade level... which means they would never be able to understand this blog and the complexity of the issues it addresses... and any financial concept beyond the interest on their savings account would be too complex to grasp. As controversial as Michael Moore can be... he does translate the complexity of the message that we read everyday on ZH into more simple terms so the majority of the people in our country can also understand the message and understand the basic concepts. So yes in a way I do agree with Sqworl... that if we have a hope of really getting out of this mess... someone besides the MSM needs to educate those less knowledgeable or hindered by the complexity of concepts and language.
I'm doing my part to educate - Sit down with my 1st grader everyday to read. Enjoying Matilda now, City of Ember next and Animal Farm. I wasn't half as smart as that kid at his age.
Like the man (Frank Zappa) said, "If your children ever find out how lame you really are, they'll murder you in your sleep."
Frank also named one of his kids "Moon Unit" didn't he?
Dweezil probably wishes it had been two.
Yeah, that's right! I forgot about old Dweezil.
The trailer showed us only a part, a view that is popular and easy to share with many. Michael Moore is a goddamned Socialist, and his movie will "educate" the masses to demand a soclialist solution; that part wasn't shown in the trailer.
Yes... I agree with your point... you may be right... rather educating the populus so they can vote in those who can really fix the situation... he may educate them just enough to further leverage the government and line up at the trough with the TBTF's. Is there another country we can move to... I think this is a hopeless effort... maybe Texas will secede :-)
Agree on all accounts, but remember that most gun toting Americans hate the man. They refuse to watch any of his movies. The people that will watch, already are leaning left anyways, and will just reinforce their thoughts that the "free market system" is in need of further government regulation.
Hopefully he will expose the system as corrupt, and indict the government for creating this disaster.
One can hope anyway.
"you may be right... rather educating the populus so they can vote in those who can really fix the situation"
And exactly who are these people??
Sorry, I haven't quite figured that out yet... but I do have great concern that our two-party system is broken... democracy isn't working out exactly like the founding fathers envisioned... my feeling is that it may work better on a smaller scale as in when they lived... but on this large of a scale it is ripe for corruption.
Here it comes, just dust off the old McCarthy ghost from the 50's.
You are truly a pinhead. The only socialism happening in this country is the massive transfer of public funds to private corporations.
Read a newspaper!
First, apologies to anyone whom I apparently misled into believing that I wished to engage in the false left-right paradigm. I do not.
Socialism refers to various theories of economic organization advocating state, worker or public ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources, and a society characterized by equal access to resources for all individuals with an egalitarian method of compensation.
Wanna go again?
1. Single-payer isn't even on the table. What we'll likely end up getting due to the lobbying of the insurance industry is "subsidized mandates", which is a hand-out to the insurance industry. That is fascism, not socialism.
2. The public "owns" GM and Chrysler as much as it "owns" the big banks and AIG. We may have collectively paid off tons of private parties to get a share of these bankrupt industries, but the BENEFICIARIES aren't you and me. We won't, collectively, see control nor profit of these entities. They are merely propped up by public funds to benefit a private few. That is fascism, not socialism.
3. Medicare and Medicaid are socialist programs.
4. Social Security is a socialist program.
5. For Fannie and Freddie, see #2 above.
6. Oh dear lord, I can see you are a nutball with #6. Righto, the income tax is evil, and you shouldn't have YOUR money taken from you by it. Now stand right over there so the masses can lynch your sorry ass because you think you get to rape them economically and deny them any benefits.
You're an extremist idiot.
Might you be drawing somewhat thin and arbitrary distinctions between socialism and fascism? Really that different - maybe not.
Socialism and fascism are each forms of statism, forms of government in which the government is given complete or extensive control over the lives of its citizens. They may espouse marginally different idealogical goals and make divergent claims as to the degree of eocnomic freedom, but its largely window dressing.
1. Single-payer isn't even on the table.
So they now claim, but they want it to be.
2. We may have collectively paid off tons of private parties...
GM and Chrysler were stolen from senior secured debtholders; while chunks were given to the unions (redistribution) the rest was retained by dot gov. It may be too early to tell, but the fact that a chunk was given to the UAW belies their intent. I agree that, generally speaking, smashing companies and taking them, or simply taking them, is more facist. The government clains it does not intend to run the businesses. We will see.
5. Fannie and Freddie have been and are being used as wealth-redistribution schemes under the guise of a public entity. It is a government "business" run with the intent being the meeting of a perceived social need. Classic socialist program. You couldn't be more wrong.
6. I cannot find in my post anywhere where I made the statements you attribute to me in your #6. I merely stated that the income tax code contains a provision whereby people who had paid no tax were able to get cash refunds, and that that was a wealth redistribution scheme. This renders your last point a classic strawman. I note that in it you make what appears to be your most strongly-worded condemnation of my position, including nutball, extremist, etc. Not even a good try.
" . . . I agree that, generally speaking, smashing companies and taking them, or simply taking them, is more facist."
You really are a well-spoken, aren't you?
But taking or even smashing a company is rather more Communist. Then the people are forced to work for the now goverment-owned corporate entities.
Taking the Government over and using it to force the people and to work for the Corporation on the cheap and therefore earn more profit, well now that's straight up fascism. Or were you unaware of the worker cards tying laborers to their companies starting in pre-WWII Germany? That little work booklet was everything.
It's silly to quibble too much about definitions. Redistributionist policies I generally consider to be socialist; whether or not the means of production are actually owned, if for example the output is owned by virtue of its being (partially) seized and redistributed for social justice reasons, then by any other name...we do have some examples of actual overt state ownership of the means of production. We also have such a massive regulatory state that all businesses can be thought of as "government-controlled", except those that control the government.
Someone points out elsewhere in this thread that the -isms we debate are merely varations of statism. Corporatism, socialism, facism....all of these are variations on a theme, with the theme being age-old: rape of the workers / producers, by the rich / gentry / upper classes / royalty / whatever, and keep as much of it for themselves as they can get away with, using some of the loot to pay their partisans and maintain their place on top, some of it to pay for security ("courts of justice", police, etc) to keep the serfs in line, and the rest for.....just what is it that all of that wealth is for, anyway?
Anyway, I don't intend to get into a history discussion, and I don't intend to get into the phony left-right thing either. Our enemy, the state.
+ 9, -1 b/c you forget the Church
Point #6: Large US Corporations enjoy the status of "personhood" in our legal structure, but pay only about 2% in income taxes per year. Their lobbyists write our laws and corrupt our political leaders in both parties on the local, state, and federal levels. In some states they help elect the judiciary. Their employees go in and out of government (See Goldman, Welfare Queen & Sachs; and Armey, Dick) either as legislators or regulators, then as "rainmakers." The corporate and government climate in the United States resembles neither Socialism nor Fascism so much as Communism as practiced in the USSR in the late 1980's: corrupt, broke, and rather than having the government run the means of production, the corporation runs the government. Also a modern-day Versailles replete with personality cults (Bush 2), court intrigues (WaPo, Politico), and a complete disconnect with everyday rank-and-file people. In either case, (modern US capitalism vs. terminal stages of Soviet Communism) a wealthy elite runs things into the ground, then get richer. In either case, for most of the populace, it works out about the same: No chance for upward mobility, widespread poverty, and the cherished dreams of a once-great nation.
don't expect the socialist trolls to understand these simple facts anytime soon... the government sanctioned oligopolies have a way to go before the walls come tumbling down. and looks like China is leading the crazy parade on that front today.
There's never anything quite as effective in dividing for the conquering than the ignorant red herring of "socialism." Yours is the voice of the priviledged morons who now have the gall to whine that "it just ain't fair!" Them's the simple facts . . . GS, Barry O, et all couldn't buy better agents of disinformation.
I'm a socialist (not a troll) and I agree that "the government sanctioned oligopolies have a way to go before the walls come tumbling down." So???
In part an effort to monetize the bad debt they incurred supproting the G's huge social experiment in boosting home ownership? Got FANNIE/FREDDIE/GINNIE?
1.25 trillion in agency MBS, 200 billion in agency debt.
Are you in banking?
We'll see if socialism evolves from this mess. When and if it does, I suspect it will be far from our present understanding of it.
whats a CDS?
I am pretty sure you are being sarcastic, but just in case here is a link...
CDS = Commie Dick Sucker
If you look it up in the dicktionary, you'll probably see a picture of Barney Frank.
Maybe Michale Moore, but I'm not sure how he rolls?
Forget about most of them figuring out their savings account interest. Many of my COLLEGE students can't do a percentage change calculation.
most of the commenters here read at a 8th grade level too.
Maybe. But then again, I don't see anybody else with a 'voice' saying shit about the shit that's been going on.
It's time to get this party started. If MM has to be the MC, then so be it.
Bring it on.
Say what you will, MM does manage to hit a nerve.
I'm beginning to like the leftists more each day since Paulson bailed out goldman.
I'm strangely attracted to this film...but I guess it was a wrap before Barry-O took office.
It's crony capitalism via oligarchy. I hope for a revolt, but that fat shit Michael Moore would rather we live like Cuba, and that isn't the answer.
Are power plants ever required to charge the batteries in a Hybrid? Do power plants pollute less than cars?
The latest from financial guru Robert C.
A Stock Market Rally Engineered by our Government
Big typo in second sentence makes it unreadable. Reagan President in 1997???
michael moore has enough 'capitalism' in his fat belly to feed the inhabitants of darfur.
Moore wants me to pay for his healthcare. Maybe he should get his fat ass on the tread mill instead of stuffing his face with garbage. Just an idea.
Smoke, drink, and eat Fritos all day...all on everyone else's dime! These audacious jackasses want the "god given right" to abuse themselves all day everyday, and they want you to provide cheap insurance for the bad habits. Any country of 300mm people that institutes mandatory tax payer funded national healthcare while cigarettes and obesity are still acceptable and legal will go bankrupt nearly immediately.
I saw this preview this weekend while out at the movies. While sitting there, preview finished, a couple sitting next to me said,"Honey maybe we should see that, then we would understand what is going on". If Moore can start the populist revolt, with Joe and Jane Sixpack, then I may change my opinion about him.
I cringed when he asked a guy what a derivative is.
Seems that Mike forgot to read the definition of the title of his movie before making it. Getting government handouts taken from taxpayers hardly meets the definition of capitalism. Crony capitalism at best, but far be it for him to be honest about what it is. Slime
Wall Street truly fucked the American taxpayer.
I can't wait to see this one. You think Goldman Sachs is hated now, wait till this thing airs.
Not that Goldman cares what anyone thinks, they rule the govt; we the people are unimportant.
Yes, can't wait till this thing airs. Comeuppance, comeuppance.
I'm sure on some level Moore will expose some of the guilty party, but the fundamental problem with Moore's Mockumentary is that Capitalism is being blamed -- meanwhile the reality is that government intervention (& the Fed) is the root cause of our problems.
Michael Moore sees that there's a problem, but he doesn't understand that those who extol the virtues of capitalism (Bush) have never upheld it to begin with. In fact, Bush gave a speech almost 1 year ago saying (paraphrasing) "I have abandoned my capitalist principals, in order to save the capitalist system." How are they principals if they are abandoned during trying times?! Of course, as I said earlier, capitalism has been sideswiped by socialist policies for a century with greater and greater acceleration (in both rate of adoption and subsequent problems).
" . . . capitalism has been sideswiped by socialist policies for a century with greater and greater acceleration."
Bullshit. Capitalism was sidewsiped by Fascism, National Socialism, if you will, but not 'socialism'. Socialism helps people. Fascism helps corporations. The People get 3 billion in Cash for Clunkers hogwash, the bankers get trillions in bailouts and interest free loans.
Frankly, what country have you been living in the last couple decades? Reagan got deregulation going, Clinton signed off on rolling up the Welfare state while helping strip out any safeguards to the financial system to help out Bob Rubin's banking buddies expand profits. W continued the policies and up the leverage while O accelerated every bad policy of his predecessors while ratcheting up the banker bailouts.
To quote Durbin, "The bankers own this place."
Socialism helps people.
You're right. Maybe it should be restated "Socialism points money at people." "Fascism points money at Corporations."
Help is too generous a word.
You are incorrect.
"Socialism steals money from the middle class and gives it to non-producers, then threatens the middle class with violence if they resist."
"Facism steals money from the middle class and gives it to the big corporations who own the government, and then threatens the middle class with violence if they resist."
+1 - nailed it
They surely do while they control the dollars our politicians like to get their hands on. What happens when the dollar becomes worthless? What do the bankers then have that they can buy our politicians with?
Since they've been shorting gold and silver down via the paper COMEX, or often referred to as the CRIMEX, it is most likely that they've been quietly buying physical gold and physical silver so they'll continue to remain in control of our politicians when the dollars they so efficiently print no longer have any value, other than as toilet paper.
It doesn't matter how he gets the message across, "capitalism" is just a word, one that most Americans don't even know the true meaning of. Most think it is "good", because the Europeans are "socialists". Don't ask them to explain why, unless you want blank stares all around.
Moore has the ability to touch nerves, and this is a necessary component to get peoples' attention and make them get off their asses and start learning about what is actually going on.
Like him or hate him, he gets asses in seats. This could be a good thing, regardless of how the message is put across.
Getting lies and disinformation wrapped in faux-populist blather and lunatic warbling from a hypocritical, bloviating, Marxist dipshit demagogue pinhead is good?
Well, even though I fundamentally disagree with the moral outcome of my own argument, I would argue that I've seen nothing in thirty years that would indicate the public at large is capable of coming to it's own conclusions. Every single morsel of populist rage that has instigated an even less relevant political debate has come from one of these types. I assume that is his goal, to instigate an irrelevant political discussion...
BTW, regardless of how you delineate their political affiliation, all are measured by varying degrees of "left".
There is no such thing as Conservatism in America, and there never was. the last time Conservatism existed, the Lakota were hunting bison a plenty on the open plains.
Another problem is: nobody (and I mean nobody) knows anymore what socialism is. Nor do they have a good idea of what it might realistically become.
As for me, I don't think welfare-statism is socialism. It's more a governor of modern capitalism (unsuccessfully dismantled by conservatives in power).
More asses in more seats. Isn't that a McDonald's motto?
No, no, no. The problem is the involvement of corporations in government. In fact they are the government, and that is the root cause of the problem. Government is only a problem if corporations run it. They would love nothing more than to destroy people's faith in government of, by and for the people, so that they can do whatever they wish.That's why they all admire China so much. No impedients, just consumers.
In any decent democracy the people is the government. All that needs to be done is give the control back to the people.
Ding Ding Ding . . . We have a WINNER!
I agree we can do much better.
Precisement! What is Capitalistic about placing selectmen in every crook and nanny of the regulatory process to exploit the government to create and cement a monopoly or oligopoly, that benefits only Lloyd Blankfiend? Jamie Dimon?
What does giving 5 financial institutions the permission to leverage 40 to 1, have to do with anything about capitalism?
Special favors extorted, bouught and paid for from some bureaucrat, or otherwise obtained from governmental bodies is the antithesis of capitalistic, laissez faire economies.
There was "bastard feudalism" in 15th-century England, where lords became somewhat divorced from their feudal chain of fealty and more self-aggrandizing. Their destructive anarchy was "cured" through strong monarchies.
Suppose we call what we have now "bastard capitalism"? - A kind of later-stage capitalism which has developed to the point where it cannot survive without oligopoly and plutocracy as its governors. Right now, the oligopoly and plutocracy are highly unstable.
Will capitalism cure itself? I'm not holding my breath. Will strong state authority cure it? I'm not holding my breath for that either.
Hey, it's capitalism all right, but it's now BASTARD CAPITALISM.
Maybe you should wait until you see the movie to comment on how Moore defines capitalism.
Raw capitalism created the financial crisis and its repercussions. Socialism had nothing to do with it.
You think Goldman is hated now, wait till after this airs....
Not another Moore diatribe! I'm getting sick of his "mockumentaries" in which he just makes shit up and carefully weaves these distortions into his carefully choreographed scary-tale to get the viewer where he wants them - even more misinformed than they were before but now looking for a scapegoat. Moore is the Sicko in my books!
-1. That you, Mr. Blankfein?
Watching CNBS much?
"...he just makes shit up and carefully weaves these distortions into his carefully choreographed scary-tale to get the viewer where he wants them - even more misinformed..."
I coudn't agree more black man. You've got to have quite an ego to think anyone but the banks can get away with that kind of bullshit...
Michael Moore is an a$$-clown and a hypocrite.
well, someone has to stir up some public outrage. it's not like anyone in finance is ever going to show some cohones and suggest that the system is broken as long as they continue to be well-paid.
I am angry
Michael Moore is an ass, but maybe if he told the population at large to pull all their cash out of C, BAC, etc. then maybe, just maybe, there could be a volunteer bank run on these monsters.
Well, it will be the first MM movie that I will watch. Looking forward to anyone distributing the truth to the masses.
What to bet Obumbler, Stretch Pelosi and Dingy Harry will be in the front row at the premiere!
Jeez, is your brain even powerful enough to drive your heart beat? They are part and parcel of the problem, in the pockets of the Banksters who run the country, especially Obama, nothing but a glorified janitor to the true powers that be.
Get over the BS Left/Right Divide lie, please. Until you can see past it, you're just another pawn.
Yeah, but pawns with money love to shit on the pawns without money who they see lurking around every corner waiting to steal some of their loot.
Could there be anything worse than a guy with money who actually believes in sharing?
Let them eat cake.
I don't care if it's true or not; if only one banker is turned into a lamppost ornament, it will all have been worth it.
Wall Street must have hired Michael Moore to do this film. What better what is there to turn off the populace to the idea of looking under the hood of Wall Street?
Yeah! Nobody goes to his movies anymore. The lines are too long.
Only when you live within 50 miles of the ocean, or in Detroit.
Perhaps walstreetpro2 would be a better fit for the subject.
There's some element of truth in the part where you say the right wingers who are presently anti-Wall Street, may become more pro-Wall Street after Moore's hit piece. I guess you just have to watch Fox News and read Zero Hedge to figure if that pans out. But the funding of Michael Moore for this film probably didn't come from any Wall Street PR firms. Moore is pretty good at making his points, even if you don't agree with him.
too bad most people don't like Michael Moore.
Where's Ayn Rand when you need her?
Dancing in Hell with her old lover, A.H. She did get him to shave that awful 'stache, though.
If you need a refresher, I suggest reading "Francisco's money speech":
Waiting for Alan Greenspan, in hell, of course.
Great, now we have this douche bag to be angry for us. Soon enough they will run out of harmless channels for anger.
I'd be more impressed if he did a "documentary" on our education system, the absolute control that Unions have over it, and the dreadful and loathsome waste that is prevalent within nearly every school district in the United States.
If you have an educated and informed populace, its far tougher to trick them. For 50 years now, liberals have controlled the schools and have created the vast majority of retards who currently reside within the US. Who do you think belives the shit they see on CNBC?
Moore is nothing but an opprotunist and a charlatan. He knows full well that the people who buy into whatever bottle of snake oil he's selling this year are too fucking stupid to know better. So he spoonfeeds the ignorant with "clever" or "witty" one sided setups that produce Perry Mason style gotchas and the proles oooh and ahhh. Its Circuses and Bread for everyone!
Your logic is as solid as that of the Archie Bunker you chose for your icon. Head back into your bunker with Glen Beck.
I've worked in public education in the Midwest for nearly twenty years there is only one word that adequately describes it - TRAV-MOCK-A-SHAM [definition: A travesty of two mockeries of a sham].
I fully expect to hear in the near future the following government pronouncements...
From this day on, the official language of [The United States] will be Swedish. Silence! In addition to that, all citizens will be required to change their underwear every half-hour. Underwear will be worn on the outside so we can check. Furthermore, all children under 16 years old are now... 16 years old!
We have become the banana republics we always laughed at because we have turned the electorate into a mob that is illiterate with regard to anything except movie stars and sports teams.
Locusts fly in formation though they have no king. I'm not a believer in conspiracy, just complicity.
This movie will only be worthwhile if he takes on the real evil in this country, the Federal Reserve.
The Fed is a regulator (or tries to be) of capitalism. It's not "the real evil".
I wasn't a Michael Moore fan, but I may need to check this out opening day.
fiat, scissors, bullion
scissors beats fiat, bullion beats scissors
I would watch it more for its comedic value than actually taking any serious insight from it.
Aren't you the guy who asked what a CDS is?!?
lest you forget friends that roger & me hammered a stake into the heart of GM...it just took it 20 years to die.
perhaps we all should put our ideologies in the closet for a bit and take the help where we can get it, unless you all got the brass cajones to go down to 85 broad and try to arrest lord blankfein.
every hear of the saying "an enemy of my enemy is my friend"?
you can all quibble about kibbles & bits after it's all over.
this obsession with either/or, black/white, left/right is just being used as a tool to divide & conquer us.
still doing quite well it seems after reading most of these comments.
"Roger and Me" was his best film, and IMO it was all downhill from there.
I'm with Anon 54407 on this one - Who knows, maybe he'll actually do some good.
Damn, if only Mr. Moore consulted me before he produced this film, I would have fed him TONS of material on crooks who legally steal from the masses' pensions!
Leo KolivakisPension Pulse
The movie appears to be more about endearing Michael Moore to the masses than it is about getting down to details. After all, if there were lengthy interviews with experts like yourself, how much screen time would Michael Moore get?
And now you just sound like a crybaby.
Bitch and moan if you want to. But the reds are coming back with a vengeance, so much for the end of history. I know most of you think working people are complete retards, but we´re learning how to read. Soon we´ll learn how to organize....hugs and kisses
PS keep up the good work Zero Hedge ;)
MM needs to interview Cramer.
Currently, Michael Moore is a hated left wing radical.
If he follows through and this movie doesn't push a socialist agenda, then he will be a hero.
If on the other hand, he uses this trailer to suck in movie goers, then baits and switches into socialist propaganda...well, then he will be considered a liar, bate and switcher, socialist propaganda machine.
All populists are bait and switchers.
why do you say that Ben_the_Bald?
"Capitalism: A Love Affair" refers I think to the love affair banksters (capitalists) have with capitalism, and how it's played out recently.
Lots of people love MM's work.
It's kind of funny how it works out. This is britains version of stephen colbert and John Stewart
The second video is so funny it will almost make you pee.
Yep. And I like the fact that they expose the facts and falsehoods, inverting them and exposing them to have been built upon delusions, remarkably simple delusions at that.
I think he's right, the Board of Directors of AIG should be arrested.
I always find it amusing that the best retort people can give to Michael Moore is "He's Fat!!!!!1!1!" ZOMG!
Fahrenheit 9/11 was a brilliant film that woke a lot of people up to the bullshit the Bush Administration was force-feeding us via color-coded threat levels and a trillion-dollar war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
His tactics may be distasteful (like his hit job on Charlton Heston) - but his points are salient and sometimes need to be said.
What the hell are alot of you folks talking about? Capitalism fucked us up! Can it with this socialist BS, you need to worry about how Capitalism is being used to fuck up the U.S. with these insane bubbles. Your capitalistic Wallstreet, sure did not mind money from our so-called Socialist Gov't.
That's the point, government shouldn't have its hand in it in the first place. We haven't had a capitalist economy in decades: http://mwhodges.home.att.net/summary.htm#govt
+1. On the money
No, source of the ruin is that business had its hand in the government, in order to turn the goverment into its lapdog.
If we are ever going to get clear of all this, we HAVE to stop thinking in terms of isms -- except empericism - we have to acknowledge what works and what doesn't.
Clearly, markets can work beautifully with sound regulation. (come home, Glass Steagall!)
Clearly, when you leave regulations in the hands of people who have no interest in the long-term health of the economy and nation, and all their interests aimed at short-term profits to justify large bonuses, you get a markets run by the equivalent of junkies, and that ends in inevitable disaster.
We have allowed our goverment to become powerful only for the benefit of a few financial behemouths, who manipulated government to determine who wins and who loses-not what is best for our financial health or our country. We need to restore the government to independence from these interests so it can become a disinterested, independent referee in the markets -this will give it a powerful enforecment role-but that is exactly the kind of power we have to have to ensure we don't repeat history.
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