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Mike Krieger On Intensifying Police State Measures And Internet Demonization

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Submitted by Mike Krieger from KAM LP

Police State Measures Intensify as well as Internet Demonization

Two very important articles have come out in the last couple of days that you must take the time to read thoroughly.   The first is from the Washington Post and is entitled:  “Monitoring America.”  It is a lengthy article worth your time since it shows in no uncertain terms how the U.S. government has now officially started to turn war on terror technology and military weaponry on American citizens domestically.  Stuff that had formerly only been “used in Iraq or Afghanistan” is now being turned on Americans and this newspaper reports it in a matter of fact manner.  It also describes how anyone can just say that they think a fellow citizen is acting suspiciously and then all of a sudden the government’s “fusion centers” start snooping on you and a file remains “open” for five years.  For nothing more than someone saying they thought you were acting suspiciously.   Welcome to East Germany.  This is where tax dollars are going, that and to pay bankster bonuses.  Link is below. 

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret-america/articles/monitoring-america/?hpid=topnews

Second article also encompasses and interview with Attorney General Eric Holder.  In it he clearly explains that enemy number one is the domestic America citizen and that is where the war on terror is now focused.  This is exactly as I predicted earlier this year.  That the “war on terror” would be soon revered onto average everyday citizens.  Ok, so how about this one.  In the interview, Holder talks about Anwar al-Awlaki and talks about how this guy is enemy number 1 now and as dangerous as Bin Laden.   Well, interesting because this guy was invited to DINE AT THE PENTAGON after 9/11.  This is a fact.  It was reported by all the mainstream news sources.  See these links on it….

Anwar al-Awlaki - the radical spiritual leader linked to several 9/11 attackers, the Fort Hood shooting, and the attempted Christmas Day bombing of an airliner - was a guest at the Pentagon in the months after 9/11, a Pentagon official confirmed to CBS News.

Awlaki was invited as "...part of an informal outreach program" in which officials sought contact "...with leading members of the Muslim community," the official said. At that time, Awlaki was widely viewed as a "moderate" imam at a mosque in Northern Virginia.

This is what Holder said today about him:  "He's an extremely dangerous man. He has shown a desire to harm the United States, a desire to strike the homeland of the United States," Holder said. "He is a person who -- as an American citizen -- is familiar with this country and he brings a dimension, because of that American familiarity, that others do not."

CBS reports

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/21/national/main6978200.shtml

MSNBC reports

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39768584/ns/us_news-security/

Fox News Reports

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al-qaeda-terror-leader-dined-pentagon-months/

So our government is so trustworthy on intelligence that we had the most dangerous terrorist in the world over for dinner at the Pentagon!  So either we are really retarded beyond belief or the whole “WAR ON TERROR” is a total SHAM to place in the police state.  More on the interview with Holder, he is consistently demonizing the internet with statements like.

“"The ability to go into your basement, turn on your computer, find a site that has this kind of hatred spewed ... they have an ability to take somebody who is perhaps just interested, perhaps just on the edge, and take them over to the other side," he said.”

Full article here:  http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/attorney-general-eric-holders-blunt-warning-terror-attacks/story?id=12444727&page=1

This is all good news and bad news.  The good news is that the global plantation owners would not be moving so aggressively unless they were losing the info war.  Clearly they are, which is why they are freaking out.  The next thing that is likely to happen is a false flag attack where the “attacker” ends up being a libertarian with a Ron Paul sticker.  That way they can move from Al Awlaki to the folks they are really afraid of: Good caring and armed American people that still have the capacity to think rationally. 

 


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Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:13 | Link to Comment bob_dabolina
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Welcome to Nazi Germany...I mean America

When can we start burning books that are not conducive with the state agenda?

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:18 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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Have you been to your local library lately?  They're tossing out the classics to make room for drivel.

No need for a bonfire, not when you have your friendly neighborhood recycling center.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:23 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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New Renaissance formulating how to get over and under the fastist structure of 'governing'.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:44 | Link to Comment ConfederateH
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And all you people insisted that the hours Glenn Beck spent exposing Cass Sunstein and Obama's shadow government was just the ranting of "fox news types".  Well sheeple, it looks like Beck was right all along...

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Trundle
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Beck was basically full of shit until he started to channel/ripoff Alex Jones.  Now, he's only about 20-25% disinformation.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:19 | Link to Comment Jasper M
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+1

And a remarkably accurate synopsis, for three lines. 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 21:08 | Link to Comment clymer
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totally true, Trundle. Why you got junked, I have no clue. I remember when Beck was calling Ron Paul supporters ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIDDc8UodYQ ) potential domestic terrorists, 9-11 truthers as potential terrorists.. Out and out lies.

He's a ratings whore.

A kid I knew in Junior High (Trevor Lyman) organized that money bomb, and there is not a violent bone in that dudes body. Beck is not to be trusted.

 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:21 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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isn't it good to know that as weak, disappointing, ineffective, wasteful, corrupt, impractical, mendacious, cruel and foolish as the obama admin. is, it will be defeated in '12? 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:39 | Link to Comment Real Estate Geek
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Not particularly, because it's clear that the weak, disappointing, ineffective, wasteful, corrupt, impractical, mendacious, cruel and foolish __________ admin. will take its place.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:50 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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Isn't is scary to know that "as weak, disappointing, ineffective, wasteful, corrupt, impractical, mendacious, cruel and foolish as the obama admin. is, it will be" replaced by the same or worse in '12?

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:44 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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That's true.. Except they sell them.. I make sure i'm there.. $1 hadback... No matter the title.. I'm collecting quite a library over the years..

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:56 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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It depends on the condition, but you're right.  I picked up a 60-volume Great Books collection for $60.  The best price for the same thing online was $300.  The clerks thought I was joking when I said they were for my (then) one-year-old.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:20 | Link to Comment downrodeo
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my fiancee was reading by age 1.5. This is not normal though, you have a gifted child.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:31 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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:).  I read about the same time as your fiance, but no, my kid wasn't reading at 1.  I meant that I purchased the books on his behalf.  The homeschooling curriculum we're using is Great Books-based.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:44 | Link to Comment InExile
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i thought that they were all available on google

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Everything will be- until it isn't. Real books are the precious metals of knowledge.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:15 | Link to Comment Lower Class Elite
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Amen to that.  Kindle my ass.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 21:43 | Link to Comment Hey Assholes
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+1

I am buying every Mises and Rothbard book I can so I can pass on to my grandchildren.

The flame of liberty must be passed on or it will be forgotten.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:53 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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+ infinity

I build my library with as much care as I build my wealth

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:03 | Link to Comment NumberNone
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Actually had a conversation with a high school librarian about this.  Books are becoming irrelevant and all the 'research' is now being done on computers in the library.  Paper books are becoming obsolete...and in cash strapped states not having to buy thousands of paper books to stock in libraries probably sounds like a pretty good deal right now.  Why not migrate everything online and let the kiddos get all their information there?

My concern to her on this is the fact that once paper copies are gone and the only versions available for public veiwing are electronic...how long before TPTB decide to start editing them?  These changes will be unalterable and few will have original source material to refer to to verify.  Soon the online version will be the accepted version.  Frightening what the ramifications of this are 50-100 years down the road. 

I'm sure that initially changes will be done in a manner that starts off harmless...for example, Huck Finn would be an acceptable book in high school again if we removed..ahem...'pesky' words from it.  Why not?  A couple of keystrokes and every high school in America has access to a government approved and socially friendly copy of the Mark Twain classic.  Those kids get to grow up thinking that is how Mark Twain wrote it and no harm done...right?  Ahhh, the possibilities are endless!! 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:13 | Link to Comment ThreeTrees
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Why do people think it's remotely possible for individual entities to deliberately alter what is essentially the public history of the internet?  What has ever been posted on the web, especially if it was widely read/viewed/played/accessed, exists in some form buried in some server somewhere.  You can control access and what you release, but once it's out there, it's out there for good.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:18 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Why do people believe the history they are taught in school? How many people use due diligence? Do you believe the government? Do you believe the newspaper? How do you find the needle of truth in a haystack of lies? 

The vast majority of people never question a source in my experience. This is why a paper copy is essential- or have you been paying attention to foreclosuregate?

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:28 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Thing is, with the internet, any attempt to modify an existing file amounts to a needle of a lie in a haystack of truth.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 09:18 | Link to Comment RKDS
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I refer you to Exhibit A, Amazon's remote deletion of 1984 and Animal Farm:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32014285/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/

Just wait until all books and media reside on perpetually connected hardware filled with backdoors for priviledged users...

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:21 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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No need to alter everything if you can simply restrict access to "approved" sites.  Do you think government schools would allow students unfettered access?

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:18 | Link to Comment NumberNone
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Of course we need to send them only to government approved sites and documents...for their safety.  We love our children don't we?

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 20:30 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Why do people think it's remotely possible for individual entities to deliberately alter what is essentially the public history of the internet?"

Because it has already happened/happening.

Organizations/election campaigns/government sites are replete with examples of them going back in and "modifying" or completely deleting what was "there" yesterday.

Screenshots have busted them doing it numerous times.

Here ya go:

http://www.brandweeknrx.com/2007/08/abbott-caught-a.html

It's been going on longer than you think.

Of course, they can still do it the old fashioned way...just blatantly lie and make shit up...LOL.

"The newest charges from scientists follows the release of a report to media yesterday,  by the Interior Department’s Inspector General, which found that a drilling safety report was edited by the White House in order to suggest that its findings supported the administration’s six month ban on new deep water drilling."

http://seerpress.com/obama-administration-alters-scientific-findings-on-oil-spill/13494/

 

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 06:41 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Why do people think it's remotely possible for individual entities to deliberately alter what is essentially the public history of the internet?  What has ever been posted on the web, especially if it was widely read/viewed/played/accessed, exists in some form buried in some server somewhere.  You can control access and what you release, but once it's out there, it's out there for good.

 

It means nothing. Reads  like Vatican archives story. Truth is there, buried under piles of dust. Nobody has access to it but who cares?

 

Better to rely on what has happened.

Take Wikipedia. Wikipedia is the perfect example of what possibly happens.

Wikipedia is the reflection of various groups struggling over the control of this medium; leading wars of edition until one side prevails, the others giving up because of attrition.

Wikipedia is interesting in the way it delivers right in the face the convenient presentation of data of the internet dominant group. I followed the evolution of topics over the starting years. A fascinating process. Propaganda at its best. The battle between various propagandists and in the end, the vision of what is the least costly to admit for the dominant group.

This is how it happened for Wikipedia. Claiming that the Internet could not open ways to Wikipedia dealing is delusional. Having access to a source that cannot be that easily manipulated like a book is of course a different story. But that is not the Internet.

 

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 14:28 | Link to Comment Titus
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Why do people think it's remotely possible for individual entities to deliberately alter what is essentially the public history of the internet?  What has ever been posted on the web, especially if it was widely read/viewed/played/accessed, exists in some form buried in some server somewhere.  You can control access and what you release, but once it's out there, it's out there for good.

 

It may be out there but so are hundreds of pounds of sunken gold in the ocean. Can you point me to it? I tried google but the site hits don't seem to be there...

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:29 | Link to Comment jahbless
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Um, where were you, America?

 

this already happened: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37271857/ns/us_news-life/

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:37 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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Seems like the changes made there were for the better.

In one of the most significant changes leading up to the vote, the board attempted to water down the rationale for the separation of church and state in a high school government class, pointing out that the words were not in the Constitution and requiring that students compare and contrast the judicial language with the wording in the First Amendment.

 

They also rejected language to modernize the classification of historic periods to B.C.E. and C.E. from the traditional B.C. and A.D., and agreed to replace Thomas Jefferson as an example of an influential political philosopher in a world history class. They also required students to evaluate efforts by global organizations such as the United Nations to undermine U.S. sovereignty...

 

During the monthslong revision process, conservatives strengthened requirements on teaching the Judeo-Christian influences of the nation's Founding Fathers and required that the U.S. government be referred to as a "constitutional republic," rather than "democratic." Students will be required to study the decline in the value of the U.S. dollar, including the abandonment of the gold standard.

 

 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:04 | Link to Comment jahbless
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then that was the wrong link, sorry.  The piece I recall was mexicano heroes getting written out of history in the local textbooks...I'll dig it out.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/13/texas-textbook-massacre-u_n_498...

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:35 | Link to Comment downrodeo
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Yeah, none of this addresses the issue of the point of education. Currently, the point of the education system is to teach the student WHAT to think. We need to change things so that teachers can help the student discover HOW to think. They could teach critical thinking, and research methods, and the scientific method, and a whole plethora of useful learning tools. Then they could say, "have at it kids, go learn what you will. Ask me if you have any questions".

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 20:56 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"Currently, the point of the education system is to teach the student WHAT to think. We need to change things so that teachers can help the student discover HOW to think."

I'm gonna monkey hammer this till everyone understands.

John Taylor Gatto.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8cr0p9HaG8&feature=related

 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 21:36 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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Gatto was who finally convinced me that homeschooling was the way to go.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:24 | Link to Comment nmewn
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You're a good parent.

We chose otherwise, living in a small town it's not "as" bad. Most, if not all, of the edicts from on high are ignored by the locals.

The system is set up for indoctrination...whatever slips through here doesn't matter, the deprogramming start's at 4:00 each & every school day.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 00:05 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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This is actually the curriculum of public schools in Alberta.  Critical thinking is the primary skill required and tested in the Social Studies and Language Arts (read "English") programs.

Science and Math curricula are heading in that direction.  Skills focus rather than content focus.  While the system is not perfect, and there are indoctrinal aspects of the education system, teachers have a lot of lattitude to develop the thinking and awareness tools in their students.  I use sources from this site on almost a daily basis in my classroom.  It is a far cry from what I understand the American education system to be.

Unfortunately, Alberta educators face an uphill battle against mass media and ijunk. 

 

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 06:51 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Your vision is distorted. Critical thinkers are a failure. Nearly as big as responsibility.

Propagandists critically think. They manage facts with the purpose of cashing on credibility. They are factual when facts are begnin to them and cash on their credibility to get the most of a promising lie.

People lie on purpose. They lie to get what they could not get when telling the truth. Anytime truth is less profitable than lies, people, especially US citizens, prefer lies over truth.

This site is packed with people who lie. All the elites mantra etc. They are only furious because they are less and less significant to the people they call elite and therefore forgotten by the socalled elite who no longer have to bribe them.

People are tossed out of the bowl. They do not oppose the process by itself. They oppose being left behind. They want to jump on the train and not be left on the platform.

Critical thinking, education, all these are failures that should be acknowledged very fast.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 19:06 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Yeah, we Texans got that school book shit straightened out a lot.(once we dumped the Libs).

Some REAL History is now in them.

And,since we're such a small state, a LOT of states use the same books we do...........shame ain't it.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:02 | Link to Comment Cleve Meater
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Holy moly... I had never even considered this.  Fantastic point.  The digerati always talks about how the Internet will expand access to knowledge.  There's another side of this coin that I'd never even considered.  You're exactly right -- digital copies can be altered by TPTB, very subtly.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:17 | Link to Comment NumberNone
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That's my point exactly.  When all books are accessed via notepads from a few finite sources, who's going to go find a paper book to verify that a few words in Hamlet are not exactly correct.  Who's to say what a version of Hamlet could look like 100 years from now?  On a long enough timeline everyone that saw the paper copy will be dead...

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:43 | Link to Comment Kyron95131
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some of this is actually true

my girlfriend is a librarian and i asked her to get a copy of "Brave new world" and "1984" to read

she told me i would have to go to another library as that one had "banned" those books

when i asked "wtf, its a public library?! how are we banning books?!"

she explained that be it as though its publicly or state funded. local lists can be put together of unacceptable material and pulled form the shelves. if they are state funded, the list comes down from library headquarters.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 20:17 | Link to Comment The Alarmist
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Ah, the art of a self-fulfilling prophecy.  When I was going through school, the so-called progressives, who were tossing 1984, Fahrenheit, etc. at us as warnings against the facist state of the conservatives (usually their parents), were already exuding a smell of things to come, and we could see it leaping off the pages of the very books they were using to make the case that they should be running the world.  To paraphrase Girls Aloud, You can't escape their tautology.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 00:07 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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1984 is required reading in most western Canadian English and Social Studies curriculum. 

It is really sad to see, and scary as hell, the "land of the free" fall so far into fascisim.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 01:33 | Link to Comment Fearless Rick
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That is just royally fucked up.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:17 | Link to Comment andybev01
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Ha!

My city library has more DVD's to let (for a fee...) than actual books any more.

Farenheit 451 anyone?

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 19:29 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Yes - a good example. 1966 and in the movie they had flat screen TV's, Thimble radio      (IPods), Cameras on every light pole, people frisking you aka TSA and a raft of other tech gear we have Now. 

Parallel universe ?

It may be a good Idea to watch this trailer (4 mins)

Digitise it ALL and we have control through our servers. Money, music, books, film, records, photos, Life. Endgame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9n98SXNGl8

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 19:33 | Link to Comment andybev01
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I did like the movie but that was after reading the book.

"What do you think, Linda?"

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 00:10 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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The book and premis are good... the movie... not so much.

Showed the movie to my class once... the most common comment I got was "wtf is this boring ass shit"

Hah, I just talk about it now, the movie actually ruined student engagement.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 20:12 | Link to Comment andybev01
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Apparently the male lead and the director were literally battling over interpretation.

It still hods up visually all these years later.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:33 | Link to Comment midtowng
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When are Republican voters finally going to stop supporting a bigger and more imposing security state? And when are Democratic voters going to stop apologizing for the Democratic politicians?

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 19:24 | Link to Comment Problem Is
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When They Are All Fired, Foreclosed On and Evicted Enough...
Then with cable gone, they can no longer stare for 6.2 hours a day at their beloved idiot box... the TeeVee...

<CABLE><OFF>

Now Amerikan Sheeple...

<THINK><ON>

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:36 | Link to Comment bb5
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what's next: goose stepping? or will it be a new supreme court ruling on guns?

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:44 | Link to Comment 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Alex Jones is a tin foil hat wearing goofball

...... And the fucking sad part about it, he has been dead on iv'e listend to him for 10 years, and right now we are in the END GAME phase. Prepare accordingly. GO long APPL, Harry Wanger, GO long...

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:14 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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INTERNET 2.0 BITCHES!

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:15 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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I just saw an interview on CNBS that scared the crap out of me.  Some guy was advocating one world currency and a cashless society.  Why?  because TERRORISTS and drug dealers use CASH!  No freakin joke.   He said something like half the worlds cash is used for illicit ventures.   What a great reason to do away with cash.  We all know it is the total control endgame for those pulling the digital strings.    It will be done in the name of war on terror.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:18 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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As I said in another post earlier today, as the currency is inflated away, we will be switched over to Comercia debit cards (legal tender 2.0) in order to win the "War of Terror."

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Logans_Run
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Drive everyone to unemployment, then they have to take the debit card for benefits. Problem solved! All Americans under tabs.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:46 | Link to Comment 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Silver & Gold will be illegal someone might trade for a joint...

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 20:35 | Link to Comment BigJim
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Silver? GOLD?!? Don't them Arab fellers like gold?

You must be a terrist, son.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:18 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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If also heard the idea a few years back.

That's why they introduced the Proton function on banking cards. It didn't work.

The second tryout will be something like the Octopuss system where you can pay with your cell phone for everything. The system actually works in Japan.

The logic is: EVERYTHING CAN BE TAXED AND TRACED!

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:22 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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It can all be basically traced now.  People use their plastic to buy everything, even if it just costs a buck.  Its like people are afraid to carry cash.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:45 | Link to Comment scythian empire
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please see Bank of America, PayPal, etc versus Julian Assange... we're in version 1.0.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:46 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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More like, people are too lazy to carry cash. Path of least resistence, and all that.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:03 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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I love carrying cash and paying with cash.

Besides, if "they" ban cash, how will the Evil Empire quietly walk off with the dough?  If it can be traced...

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 19:17 | Link to Comment velobabe
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DoChen glad you made it back from Peru, and no snow storm delays.

i love using cash, as well. it is so liberating. you stand in line and these suckers pull out their plastic card to buy a do NUT and coffee. they can't tip either. i love tipping my people that give me change with a smile. i think this is why people use plastic, so damn cheap they don't want to TIP. i love helping out these poor soul slave laborer's with BIG TIPs. make ten bucks an hour and have to report it and pay taxes. this system, just sucks. i feel for all of them, so very much i can't help but be generous. i am going to give my Henry at Lolita's a silver coin for Xmas. he is my bro. he has these idiot yuppies come in at 3AM and sucker him out of smokes and weed. WTF†

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:23 | Link to Comment Lord Vader
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I wonder what "illicit" purposes are?  Stockpiling food, ammo, silver, seeds, and gas? Dang it I must be a terrorist.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:35 | Link to Comment Logans_Run
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+1

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:30 | Link to Comment tmosley
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And a pedo.  Seeds are underage plants, after all.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:03 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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LOL!  Or maybe not...     :(

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Problem Is
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"Hello, Homeland Insecurity...
I wanna snitch off Lord Vader...
Yeah, Domestic Terrorist...
Yeah, big time ZH commenter...
Yeah, all the signs... GAGSAS...
Gold, Ammo, Guns, Silver, and Seeds..."

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:45 | Link to Comment Lord Koos
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More likely the illegal arms and drugs trade - they are the largest cash businesses in the world. 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:30 | Link to Comment deselby
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Yeah, when cash is gone, freedom will be gone.  They will know everything you do in real time and will be able to shut you down anytime they want.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:33 | Link to Comment Jake3463
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[Revelation 13:17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Not much of a prophecy guy, but this is starting to get scary.


Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:01 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Me neither. And yes it is.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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+1 this is going to end badly, liberal or conservative we all value freedom and the ability to act in our own interests.  I fear for those that know truth they are the target.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:00 | Link to Comment DosZap
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"Not much of a prophecy guy, but this is starting to get scary."

Time to get your house in order,you have good reason to be fearful.Make sure your ready,and I am not talking about your physical well being.All they can do is kill your body.

Signs,signs,everywhere signs................

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:07 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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All they can do is kill your body.

Yeah, but what if I'm USING IT? My body is a very important part of me.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:19 | Link to Comment andybev01
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LOL! +666

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 03:55 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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!666

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:05 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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I join my friends above in agreeing that it is getting VERY scary.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 19:13 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Do,

While I find it disturbing, it really just steels my resolve, and totally pisses me off.

Bottom line, Do nothing in Anger, you lose,make sure a cool head prevails.

Also it is far more powerful, fear is a tool.

Usually used by TOOLS.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 01:51 | Link to Comment Fearless Rick
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Obviously, if you read my name, you know I have had to overcome fear many times.

You can look it up, but the truth of how I got the name was out of fear, not for a lack of it. It was something that had to be conquered, some 28 years ago. I conquered it and never looked back.

If you are afraid, let me console you. The very absolute worst it can get will probably not occur, and, even if it does, the last thing on your mind will not be fear. It will be survival. I sense many of you are already at that point.

What one must realize now is that the enemy is a parasite and that fear is their best weapon. What you should all know is that without us, the parasite will die, thus, the parasite cannot kill us. The parasite cannot kill you, unless you allow it because it kills from within.

Conquer your fear and you conquer the greatest enemy.

What do you fear? For your life, the lives of your loved ones. Do you fear being tortured, mutilated, violated? Consider that we all will die, and that torture and mutilation cannot kill us.

Thus, if you are prepared to die, have no fear of death, then no harm can come to you or your loved ones. But you must be diligent. In every action, you must fight for your own moral perspective. So long as you are willing to fight and have no fear of death, you will prevail, because they will not fight - they use proxies - and they fear death.

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 05:27 | Link to Comment Shylockracy
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+1

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:37 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Yep! It ALL leads to 1 world currency, 1 world govt, cashless microchip society where youre obviously a watched slave.

Why is Bernank printing and pumping like a madman? To give 'happy-joy wealth effect'? Of course not...its to put us in a debt hole so big one day soon it will be deemed a crisis, a national security problem so big that theyll have to take 'drastic actions' of course, remember the first bailouts? Same thing, massive sudden unforeseen disaster that required us to break all laws and print.

Since then its gone from a few billion to trillions, and the end game is very near. Implosion and only cure, 1 world govt.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:58 | Link to Comment Dr. No
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People who dont beleive it is possible should read up on currencly reform of other countries.  Brazil is a classic example with the cruzado switch to the real as only one example.  Once it gets really bad, people will be begging for an alternative or currency reform.  The gov wont have to force it on us.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:03 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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We build our own cages and then hide in them. Well, some of us do.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:11 | Link to Comment Dr. Sandi
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People keep asking, in hyperinflation, where will all the money come from? Can they really keep printing that much of it?

So why not just stop printing it completely and let "The Card" handle it all. Simple enough, and completely traceable.

Makes way too much sense. Not that hyperinflation could EVER happen here, of course.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:11 | Link to Comment merehuman
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Good comment sheep dog !  Giving you my anti junk. Why anyone would junk your comment beats me. Denial is among us, whatever be its name....braveboy where are you hiding Harry?

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 00:21 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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Yea really, who junks this shit?

Show yourselves junkers!  Bravely explain why you think what SD1 says can never happen.

 

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 07:02 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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It ALL leads to 1 world currency, 1 world govt, cashless microchip society where youre obviously a watched slave.

 

The reality is that the US is the one world currency. The US government already supercedes some other governments in the world (while the associated populations have no representation in the US government) etc...

There is nothing to cash on from the US debt by the US than what is already ripped.

The US debt is not a US problem. It is everyone else 's problem but not a US one.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:49 | Link to Comment ZeroPoint
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It won't happen, especially when many of those criminals are working in our government. How many CIA planes full of drugs have crashed in the last ten years?

 

Why are we protecting poppy fields in Afghanistan?

Crime pays.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:02 | Link to Comment njdoo7
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This reminds me of an interview with a guy who did some business with one of the Rockefellers.  He mentioned that he was told the end game was to have all currency and other activity tied to chips.  This way anyone who dissents or causes problems can simply be "turned off."  This would put us disturbingly close to that.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:56 | Link to Comment tallystick
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Aaron Russo, director of Trading Places.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:23 | Link to Comment samsara
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Aaron Russo

Most of your questions will be answered.

Just watch the videos

For instance at minute 13:00 on this clip.

ESPECIALLY at minute 18:30 onward

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5420753830426590918#

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3254488777215293198#

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:15 | Link to Comment ThreeTrees
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Not only would a one-world currency be the sign of the End Times, but it would make it impossible for me to buy drugs!

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 19:39 | Link to Comment andybev01
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Do you mean besides the ones that TPTB have already spiked your drinking water with?

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:17 | Link to Comment NumberNone
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Did the guy predicting the official story of what's to come look something like this guy?  Did his interview sound something like...

"We had to go to one world currency mostly due to structural failure and money's use for drugs and terrorism was just too intense"...I'm glad Harley guy has found a new job. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0wHeekgPqk

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:49 | Link to Comment ConfederateH
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I saw the same guy, and my jaw hit the ground.  He went on to say that all we need is biometric ATM cards and then we can really stop those terrorists and drug dealers.

Maybe this is why TPTB seem so nonchalant about rising gold prices.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:58 | Link to Comment Trundle
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Cashless society will beget larger underground economy. The more controls that are put in, the more attempts to endrun the controls.

Look at Greece and Italy.  Running at 35-40% underground economy in each those countries.

Ultimately, entropy controls.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:12 | Link to Comment DosZap
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35-40%, Yeah, and that was before they actually were bailed out.

LOL

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 20:40 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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When they televise the executions of petty dealers in pm's the black market tends to disappear.   Commerce is nice and we all need some of it but ruthless people can quash it.  Before I hear about the USSR and its thriving black markets, the oligopoly used the black market and in many ways profited from it.  The people who want to rule us are not in it for wealth only brute naked power, the power of life and death.  The steel fist unsheathed from velvet is what we will get.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:35 | Link to Comment midtowng
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Terrorists use gold and silver too.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 21:42 | Link to Comment Kali
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http://www.moneynews.com/Economy/GovernmentChecks/2010/12/21/id/380555

Starting May 1 all new SS recipients will have to go cashless (no checks).  Current recipients will have to switch by March 1, 2013.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 23:12 | Link to Comment samsara
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Why?  because TERRORISTS and drug dealers use CASH! 

 

'If cash was outlawed,  only Outlaws would have cash'

 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:21 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Police state almost on lockdown.  Last year Pittsburgh was as much black and blue as Black and Yellow.

What a Day For a Solstice:

http://lhmarketwatch.blogspot.com/2010/12/what-day.html

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:56 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Military Industrial Complex is one of paranoia.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:39 | Link to Comment DosZap
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IKE warned us............we listen for shit.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:17 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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they got one thing right, we're a much bigger threat

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:47 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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+1776

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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A police state will only be a wish of the fascists.  Americans own way too many guns to be told what to do.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:09 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Here's a trick. Do you know how to get a tiger to jump through a flaming hoop? They don't like fire and they don't like taking orders.

Simple. You convice the tiger that jumping through a flaming hoop is in their best interests. Then they'll jump through that hoop all day without a fuss.

They'll find your button too if you have one. Given enough time and convincing, you'll jump. I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm saying it as a warning. Manage your hot buttons.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:17 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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A button?  Maybe if I didn't have to redeem paper FIAT IOUs for my silver stash, then I might stop asking for the government to outlaw Wallmart and Coca-Cola and legalize cannabis sativa, prostitution, and all marriages.  On second thought, I probably wouldn't.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 20:41 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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The only way to truly manage your hot buttons is to pull a Ted Kascynski, luddite in a Montana cabin.  Most of us have families, children..

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:36 | Link to Comment midtowng
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Your puny gun doesn't impress the police state.

  The only way an armed citizenry makes a difference is by NUMBERS, not a couple guys with guns.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 19:49 | Link to Comment Mentaliusanything
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Yes but do you control the Bullet supply. When your empty you can use them as tomato stakes

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:19 | Link to Comment americanspirit
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My Mom has been acting kind of suspiciously lately. Where do I turn her in?

 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:44 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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You'd make a good junior Nazi in training. Don't forget your teacher and neighbors and that freak who works at the local 7-Eleven.

<sarcasm off>

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 19:01 | Link to Comment downrodeo
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I freshen the coffee two times a day for you and this is the treatment i get? No respect. Thanks a lot CD....

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:46 | Link to Comment XitSam
Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:03 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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From my understanding, they have an app for that- no kidding.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:13 | Link to Comment -Michelle-
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Meanwhile, the Wikileaks app has been disappeared.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:12 | Link to Comment Uncle Remus
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Neighborhood Watch takes on a whole new meaning.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:52 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Seriously, this is the shit.

Anyone you have it in for can be fingered, guilt or no guilt, suspicion or not.

This could backfire on them big time.Some folks will not take kindly to this Big Brother shit.

Notice the pics of the ones that are(thought to be)  causing them the grief?.

Nah, cant be,racism in the PC whoredom?.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 21:25 | Link to Comment lynnybee
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....deleted my own comment

 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:18 | Link to Comment Miramanee
Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:20 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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I said this to my mother the other day after she had gone through airport security and got the naked photo.  I said it seems to me they are laying the groundwork for the day they see "us" as the terrorists......

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:39 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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They already do call us terrorists, ever seen LAST years MIAC report?

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 19:03 | Link to Comment DosZap
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Sheep,

10/4, remember BigSis, getting her tit in a wringer?.

Calling the Tea Party,along with about 50% of the rest of Americans basically JUST that?.

Hell, after 50+% of the population called her ass on it, she crawfished bigtime.

You gonna throw a Net that big, your the one with issues.

And we know exactly where those instructions came from , and why.

Lets see, If you own a firearm, if your a Christian, if your a Republican,own a computer,a cell phone,celebrate the 4th,have served in the Armed Forces, if you protest ANYthing they want to do, if your a cracker,and if  live South of D.C., hell your a Terrorist.

I see a fortune in Bumper Stickers coming.(;>

I'm safe, I am really Jack Bauer.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:19 | Link to Comment flattrader
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Tyler,

It's not either/or ...

>>>So either we are really retarded beyond belief or the whole “WAR ON TERROR” is a total SHAM to place in the police state.<<<

We're BOTH.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:53 | Link to Comment Brindle702
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Amen brother/sister!  We're not in an Orwellian state but a Huxley-an state.  As Neil Postman put it: "What Orwell feared were those who would ban books.  What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one."  We are there: retarded beyond belief with too few with the skills to piece together the fact that the "War on Terror" is a total sham.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:12 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Excellent comment

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 19:39 | Link to Comment Don Birnam
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Absolutely and tragically correct, Brindle.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 19:41 | Link to Comment Kali
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Soma bitchez!

Wed, 12/22/2010 - 00:35 | Link to Comment Terminus C
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Exactly.

I have this conversation with my students on a near daily basis.

The number of times I hear "I hate reading" and "can't we just watch a movie on this" can make a person want to give up.  I am definitely swimming up stream.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:20 | Link to Comment Zexe
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so why do you think what the US government does is unnatual? after all, history is replete with examples of this kind...most of the great empires collapse at some point under one's own weight, so instead of barking you'd be better of enjoying the fireworks :)

 

 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:23 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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So either we are really retarded beyond belief or the whole “WAR ON TERROR” is a total SHAM to place in the police state.

Those choices are not mutually exclusive. Oops, I see flattrader beat me to the punchline.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:13 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Everyone here is thinking it.

So maybe there is hope.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:21 | Link to Comment Joerocker
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Nothing personal, it's just good business...

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:22 | Link to Comment Mad Mad Woman
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I get the willys when someone says the word "homeland" when they talk about the US. Janet Napolitano did it the other day with Diane Sawyer of ABC, and now Eric Holder says it too. That word sends red flags up in my mind. I don't like it.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 16:33 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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I have felt that way since the day they created Homeland Security.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:15 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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... and they're not done yet creating it. The camel's nose is in the tent now.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:43 | Link to Comment Rick Masters
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Well maybe we can cut off th camel's nose to spite its face. wought woah i think this sentence might get me investigated. But yeah, the sound of the "homeland" reaks of facism. Why not just call it The U.S. Security Office or something benign. Oh, the sheep migth not repsond emotionally.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:26 | Link to Comment pgarner
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Me too. "Homeland' smacks of... 100% invented gobbleygook.

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 17:34 | Link to Comment Lower Class Elite
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"Reich" is so 20th century Teutonic. 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:16 | Link to Comment UGrev
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I'm glad I'm not the only one. Makes me feel as though I time warped to Nazi Germany. Sorry for the repetitious reference to NG, but it's the truth. 

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:29 | Link to Comment andybev01
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No no no; that was the FATHERland.

Completely different scenario...

Tue, 12/21/2010 - 18:39 | Link to Comment midtowng
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I remember some conservatives rediculing me when I compared "homeland" to "fatherland". They said after 9-11 "everything changed".

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