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Mike Krieger On The Latest Upcoming US Fad: "Serf Size Me"

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From Mike Krieger of KAM LP

Serf Size Me


An evil deed does not produce its results at once.
It smolders slowly, like a fire covered by ashes,
And finally consumes its doer the fool. 

What a fool hungers for
Is false fame, authority,
Power over others, and generous offerings.
He seeks recognition as a doer,
A wielder of power,
A knower of right and wrong.
His craving and pride are insatiable.

-  The Dhammapada, Chapter 5, “The Fool”

Whoever neglects doing good
Is inviting addiction to evil.
-  The Dhammapada, Chapter 9, “Evil”

Life is easy to live for the shameless man,
Aggressive, arrogant
Intrusive, and corrupt.

Life is not easy to live for a modest man
With high values, free from attachment,
Humble, of right livelihood,
And clear vision.
-  The Dhammapada, Chapter 18, “Blemishes”

This Game is FAR from Over

Before I get into it, I want to send out a heartfelt thank you to everybody involved in this epic battle for decency in the global monetary and financial system.  Many of the people that I have collaborated with over the incredible period of my life which has been the past year were, like me, completely brainwashed about how things really worked for much of our lives.  Upon finding out the truth, we quickly understood that silence is was not an option.  Not speaking up and fighting against the cruel and unjust system in place today is the equivalent of not fighting against slavery one hundred and fifty years ago.  It is one of those cruel jokes of history that human beings are rarely able to see the gross injustices of their own times yet they look back at practices of the past with horror all the while assuring themselves they never would have accepted such behavior if they had been alive.  The truth of the matter is that most of these individuals would have likely sat obediently in silence in those eons past, not having dared to rock the boat as they just tried to “get by.”  While unfortunate, this is simply a reality of human nature.  This is why I want to say thank you to all those that refused to shut up.  Those that didn’t fear the banksters, politicians and other thugs that are systematically attempting to turn America and the world into a neo-feudalistic nightmare wrought in their sick and twisted entirely self-interested image.  Many of the people I want to thank are on this list and many are not.  I want to say thanks to Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi, neither of whom I know personally.  I am signaling them out because they are what you would describe as “progressives” or people that would normally support and defend Obama and his fascist policies because he on the “blue team.”  Despite this, they have not only criticized him as harshly as anyone but have done so relentlessly in the pursuit of truth and justice.  It is very easy to stand up and yell I love the Constitution when the “other team” is in power so let’s see if the “conservatives” in this country defend liberty and the Constitution to the same degree when a “red team” player is in charge.  I suspect many of them won’t, just like many “progressives” defend Obama like mindless sheep.  This is why many in the Republican establishment are so afraid of Ron Paul.  Because he is the real deal.  See this article.

How about this line:  "Rep. Paul is clearly off his meds and must be purged from public office. YAF is starting the process by removing him from our national advisory board. Good riddance and he won't be missed," added Marks.  Notice he used the extremely charged word “purged.”  This was no oversight.  Young Americans for FREEDOM they call themselves?  Sounds like a bunch of little American Nazis to me. 

As a further nod to Greenwald and Taibbi I want to highlight recent must read articles by the two of them.  First, read this piece by Greenwald  One of the more disturbing parts is: 

The leaked report suggested numerous ways to destroy WikiLeaks, some of them likely illegal -- including planting fake documents with the group and then attacking them when published; "creat[ing] concern over the security" of the site; "cyber attacks against the infrastructure to get data on document submitters"; and a "media campaign to push the radical and reckless nature of wikileaks activities."  Many of those proposals were also featured prongs of a secret 2008 Pentagon plan to destroy WikiLeaks.

One section of the leaked report focused on attacking WikiLeaks' supporters and it featured a discussion of me.  A graph purporting to be an "organizational chart" identified several other targets, including former New York Times reporter Jennifer 8 Lee, Guardian reporter James Ball, and Manning supporter David House.  The report claimed I was "critical" to WikiLeaks' public support after its website was removed by Amazon and that "it is this level of support that needs to be disrupted"; absurdly speculated that "without the support of people like Glenn, WikiLeaks would fold"; and darkly suggested that "these are established professionals that have a liberal bent, but ultimately most of them if pushed will choose professional preservation over cause."  As The Tech Herald noted, "earlier drafts of the proposal and an email from Aaron Barr used the word 'attacked' over 'disrupted' when discussing the level of support."

Meanwhile, Taibbi’s latest in Rolling Stone titled:  “Why Isn’t Wall Street in Jail” might be his most powerful and impactful piece yet  In it, he explains exactly how the criminal financial oligarchy in America works and why they never get in trouble as a result of the revolving door.  This interview with him on MSNBC was also very good.

Thanks to people like Matt and countless others, this story is NOT GOING AWAY.  The oligarchs and financial politburo running the United States at the moment through regulatory and judicial capture that stretches from Ben Bernanke, Tim Geithner and the executives at the too big to fail banks all think they have gotten away with it all.  They haven’t gotten away with anything.  This game is just beginning and the crash that is to come will be much worse than what we saw in 2008.  That was a run on the financial system and the banks but it was covered up by governments accumulating debt to the point of current insolvency and central banks printing money.  That was child’s play.  The real run on the system is the run on governments and the thing that keeps them afloat, the central banking system.  A run on the big banks was what happened in 2008 and that was merely like cutting off one head of a hydra.  It is at the heart where the beast is really vulnerable and that heart is the central banks of the West and the nucleus of that is the Federal Reserve banking cartel.
The key service that Taibbi and many others are doing for the population at large is to educate people about how things really work so that we are ready to finally spring into action when this house of cards comes down again, this time for real.  The actions of the Federal Reserve and the big financial oligarchs is going to shock people senseless when they are revealed.  They will probably even shock me and I put nothing past them.  These people are sick and greedy beyond belief.  All they are doing now is trying to cover up all the crap they did before and in the process will only make their judgment that much more severe when it comes.  And it is coming.

Will They Start a War?

My biggest fear as I write this today is that the leaders of the West and the United States in particular will attempt to start a major war as a way to divert attention from the collapse that is coming and silence opposition or calls for justice.  I think they will view this as their only option once they know they have lost control of the situation (I think we are there).  Starting a major war gives them everything they want.  When I mentioned this fear to someone yesterday they asked me to explain.  This is what I wrote: “ I mean it’s  just history and human nature.  When a bunch of crooks ruin a country and can’t cover it up they need to divert attention on a foreign enemy rather than themselves.  Plus it gets unemployed youth out of the country so they can’t riot and war is always used as an excuse to screw you as a citizen even more and take away more rights.  It’s the ultimate card that always gets played.”

My advice to people is to not fall for this trap.  Not only can we not afford a war but the only people a war will benefit are the oligarchs that are doing this to us in the first place.  Their kids won’t be going off to die.  It will be your kids that will die in some desert kingdom to protect the wealth and status of the people that bankrupted you in the first place. 

Serf Size Me 

I remember when McDonald’s first released the “Super Size” promotion.  You were supposed to get in line and say to the attendant “super size” me, at which point you would be served an egregiously sized portion of fries and soda.  Pretty soon after that American obesity levels starting going through the roof.  In any event, we won’t be having this problem much longer.  Sizes are about to shrink dramatically and prices will go up at the same time.  Food quality will probably decrease as well, which is hard to imagine considering the crap that is sold as food every day.  In any event, I have a suggestion for McDonald’s.  They should just teach us Americans to accept our indentured servitude to the financial oligarchs and roll out a “Serf Size” menu.  People will get to the acceptance stage that much faster as they say, “serf size me!” and then walk away with three fries and a five ounce soda.    

Is it Just me or is Obama a Total Joke?

So Obama gave one of his vapid and disingenuous press conferences the other day where he spouted more misleading platitudes.  His jokes are even getting laughs anymore.  I was really taken aback when he stated “The world is changing, a young vibrant generation in the Middle East is looking for opportunity.”  What about the young vibrant generation in the United States?  The college graduates that are emerging from school with slave-like levels of debt attached to their lives which can never be paid back unless they sell their souls to the financial oligarchs (and that is if they are able to get the “opportunity”).  Our leaders are so unaware of what is happening on the ground in America.  That is why they will crash in the peaceful American uprising to come which will usher in new ways of doing just about everything, particularly economics.  Good riddance.

I am off to snowboard in Keystone tomorrow with a former client.

Have a great weekend,


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Thu, 02/17/2011 - 13:58 | 970788 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Buy silver.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:08 | 971631 Haywood Jablowme
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We don't need a war.  We need a mother fucking revolution right here in our backyard. 

Shit ain't changing until blood is spilt by the crooked politicians, bankstas, lobbyists, and the executive teams running the 4 or 5 mega-corporations that have their hands in every fucking little thing. 


Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:00 | 970797 Max Hunter
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I agree 100% with the need for War as a diversion.. They MUST have it.. Coming soon to a theatre near you... Prepare accordingly

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:08 | 970833 cosmictrainwreck
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yeah, well as I said the other day, it better be a real whoop-ass affair; the Afghan/Iraq deal is a real yawner. Oh, BTW, with what weaponry & what troops do they plan to fight? just askin'

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:19 | 970873 Max Hunter
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I suspect there would be a lot of bombs being dropped.. We do have plenty of those.. Just sayin...

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:08 | 971313 TeamAmerica
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+1 on the need for war, but the last thing we need is to drop some more bombs and declare Mission Accomplished.   The half-hearted efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan have hints of war, but what we need is some all-out Malthusian cleansing.  You know, kill the women & children and plow their fields with salt...that sort of thing.   Make sure they know we are not playing around any more.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:17 | 971687 Cathartes Aura
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depleted uranium is the new "salt" I guess, as the women in Iraq are told not to get pregnant, the birth defects are so ubiquitous - no doubt prevalent in all the other lands amrka looses the chemical weapons of mass destruction upon. . . bonus points for understanding that the dudes spreading the TeamAmerica spirit suffer too.

Sat, 02/19/2011 - 09:16 | 977183 blindfaith
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you make some VERY interesting comments.  Not just this post but other you have posted.

I'd like to hear what you think about "C" Street and The Family and maybe their roll in the dark shadows in various "non Christian" countries...say Indonesia for example.

Maybe someone out there can explain to me why there are bible chapter/verse numbers stamped onto the guns and equipment used in our 'security' 'missions' in several countries including Iraq and Afghanistan.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:29 | 970922 equity_momo
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When war is a positive you know things are dire. Unfortunately i think war will be inevitable.

A draft wouldnt be a bad thing though - i dont care for political correctness so will just come out and say it : crime is going up at home : im fortunate enough to live in a reasonable neighbourhood and violent crime is now noticeably on the rise. Several women , some pushing their kids , have been robbed in the last few weeks in broad daylight. Its unprecedented.  Round these scum up , empty the prisons , and send them to Iran. We're going to end up invading Iran eventually, might aswell use those who should be sterilized as cannon fodder (or biological weapons fodder)


Progressive liberals need not reply , you can all eat sh*t , youre largely responsible for the collapse in our society.

The goal is complete domination of energy supplies and energy routes , might aswell kick it up a notch and help ourselves to Iran whilst we can afford to fuel our Army and Navy.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:46 | 970991 Questionmark
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It's partisans like you that hijacked the political dialogue in this country and began the decline. Fuck off and die.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:54 | 971022 Harmonious_Diss...
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++  !

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:19 | 971126 equity_momo
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Understandable reaction.

I have no axe to grind with either party - theyre both pretending to be something they arent. Count me out of politics , our political system has failed.

Im just wearing my pragmatic hat for a moment and using history as a roadmap for where we are headed.




Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:24 | 971378 Questionmark
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If you honestly blame liberals for everything then you have a biased historical narrative. I'm not saying that in order to defend them and pass blame onto the right either, it's just dishonest to entirely blame one group for all our problems. Both sides have done a lot of harm to this country but things really started to get bad the day Reagan became President.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:59 | 971579 equity_momo
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I used the term "progressive liberal" - we know what that means , or do i need to go into detail?

I also said "largely responsible" and i stand by that.  Obviously there are a myriad of factors and if it makes you feel better , whereas the likes of Clinton's regime was a cancer , the likes of Bush's was AIDs. I really dont care to get into the left-right divide as its a game used to divide and conquer , but at a societal level , progressiveness and political correctness has done incredible harm to communities.

The banking cartel and the MIC are a-political.  They have their own place in hell. 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:13 | 971664 asdasmos
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Maybe the day Nixon became president?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:22 | 971711 Cathartes Aura
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maybe the day the united states were declared bankrupt?

Sat, 02/19/2011 - 09:25 | 977196 blindfaith
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The idea of what is a conservative and what is a liberal changes with the times.

If you really study Reagan, you will find that he would be an outcast in todays conservative mindset.  He would be closer to the liberal to center side today IF his thinking was in the current politics.

Now, those of you who don't know Reagan's thoughts on policy, go right ahead and junk me and show how little you really know about this President.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:06 | 971060 squeal
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Congratulations on joining the dark side!


Say hi to Darth and the Emperor for me!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:13 | 971091 clymer
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If I were to venture a guess momo, i'd say you're torn between Kucinich and Paul for POTUS?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:21 | 971125 Calmyourself
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While progressives and their poor excuse for a political philosophy and rational thought do certainly share some responsibility for our present problems, starting new wars and using them for cannon fodder may be a little too enthusiastic a solution...   Perhaps we could sentence them to an extremely low carbon output, make ascetics of them..  Loincloths and only 10 carbon credits per day, you can breathe but not deeply and all cold foods and no toilet paper.  You'll all smell like Berkeley bums in no time and the Goracle will wave from his G5 after leaving Nanny Mcbotox's mansion.

Only one junk.. c'mon..

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:57 | 971574 andyupnorth
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Asceticism as punishment!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:09 | 971314 treasurefish
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Law enforcement is now hunting down spineless Liberals.  It's true!!!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:05 | 971055 Stimulus Billy
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We already HAVE a few wars- in Iraq, Afghanastan. So I guess that card is played.

Revolutionary civil wars are the trend, and not quite what they would have in mind.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:35 | 971188 dick cheneys ghost
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30,000 protest in Wisconsin.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:43 | 971210 countryboy42
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And all the Dems. in the state senate are out of state.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:12 | 971327 Bob
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MSNBC will do an entire show on it live from the scene tonight at 10.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:43 | 971487 A tumor named Marla
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30,000 Union members bussed in.

The Nat'l Guard is not there to enforce order; they are there to do the jobs that the strikers are abandoning.

The real citizens of Wisconsin applaud the governor and his actions -- austerity will come to all state governments and the FedGov eventually.  Unions are going to have to adjust their expectations accordingly.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:03 | 971600 Lord Koos
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Got facts?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:04 | 971291 treasurefish
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We do already have wars, but now we need to win the hearts of minds of all these new revolutionary Middle Eastern governments.  We need to roll into Cairo in a show of force with shock and awe, and rebuild their society, because they deserve democracy!


Before I get too far ahead of myself though, we first have to blow up the regimes that just don't listen to the protestors, like Bahrain and Libya.  Qadaffi is the biggest threat to American capitalism anyway:

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:00 | 970803 dudditz
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Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:02 | 970807 Piranhanoia
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I have been warned by a local shaman here in our private part of the amazon that there will be a lot of "preserved specimens" as it refers to .  Something about macadonald and preservation?  AS a fish, I don't follow this stuff much, but it seems to have something to do with mummification?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:03 | 971052 treasurefish
Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:04 | 970811 Seasmoke
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i dont mind the 5 oz. soda......i always go back for about 7 refills !

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:07 | 970829 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Study Finds High-Fructose Corn Syrup Contains Mercury:

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:18 | 971114 clymer
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yup. Because we all know that fructose manufacturing processes involve the use of mercury. (..and psychotropics occur naturally in fresh water, and


is good for your teeth)

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:08 | 970836 plocequ1
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I personally like pancakes, And waffles too

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:04 | 970813 LostWages
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Will They Start a War?

My biggest fear as I write this today is that the leaders of the West and the United States in particular will attempt to start a major war as a way to divert attention from the collapse that is coming and silence opposition or calls for justice.  I think they will view this as their only option once they know they have lost control of the situation (I think we are there).

Iran sending ships thru the Suez.....

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:07 | 970831 dick cheneys ghost
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you are correct. this is all about china and oil and the sad state of our economy. also, more protests in wisconsin. this story is under the radar.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:16 | 971116 Stimulus Billy
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It's amazing how pissed off teachers can get.  First you find out they're smoking down in the teacher's lounge, now this.


Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:41 | 971216 ElvisDog
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I would argue that the teachers are presenting the best marketing for the Wisconsin governor's proposal that money could buy. Who is going to feel sorry for teachers earning 50-60K per year with full medical and a cushy pension? What's the current real unemployment rate in Wisconsin?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:52 | 971249 Rick Masters
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It's probably high and 50,000 seems pretty reasonable for a teacher. it's a living wage and they do teach our children after all. 150 Gs for a teacher is too much but what do you think they should make?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:06 | 971305 MachoMan
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The average starting salary for an attorney in my state is $45k.  As a matter of relative equity, preparation, and skill levels...  I would put the average appropriate teacher salary at ~$26k given benefits and 9 month contract.  Here, I would say they're mostly around the $30-35k range...  all things considered, I'd say there's a reason why the waiting list is so long...

Doesn't really matter...  having the discussion presupposes that their pension/retirement/entitlement liabilities will be in some reasonable fashion paid to them...  they will not.  We can afford to pay them dick.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:07 | 971623 Lord Koos
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You think lawyers are worth more to society than teachers?  We have too many lawyers already.  This country has a problem when education is devalued.  Why do you think the Chinese and Indians are kicking our asses in sciences?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:44 | 972043 MachoMan
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I think the persons capable of adequately performing the respective jobs are slim on one end and vast on the other...  and yes, I think attorneys are worth more than teachers.  Attorneys help the average person fight the system that is fucking them (e.g. mortgage fraud) or help enforce the rights of a citizen, whereas teachers help endocrinate the masses...  In general of course.

We have too many teachers already.  The eductional infrastructure is out-of-fucking-control.  The difference you don't seem to be able to understand is that lawyers do not require the public dole (some do, the vast majority dont).  And we're out of money...

You want to know why india and china are killing us?  Because they're hungry and have more discipline...  we're just bears that found a dump and are toothless, spineless, and declawed at this point...  throwing more teachers into the fire is not going to help spit out better educated children...  what might help is telling some of our kids that they're too fucking stupid to perform a "thinking" job and that they need to develop their backs and hands for a life of manual labor...  and not waste their time in a degree treadmill racking up useless, unpayable debt.  what might help us is to cut our book sizes by a third and try actually teaching a few fundamental concepts rather than trying to race through the book...  teaching rudimentary money management skills...  letting our children read books in the formats originally intended by the authors...  using history books that are somewhat remotely objective...  the list goes on...

but, make no mistake about it...  our educational system (society as a whole) is too broken to be fixed by throwing more money at it or more teachers into it...  it requires a total revamp, head to toe, and I can't say whether after the dust settles there would be more or less teachers...  I suspect many would have their battleships sunk and be out of work given they are not remotely qualified for their jobs...  

PS, the number of lawyers is simply a function of the amount of business being done...  lawyers will leave in droves to where business is...  and you will naturally see a reduction in the number of lawyers...  (costs to much to get the degrees for little in the way of job prospects/ability to repay). 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:58 | 971270 gmrpeabody
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And three months paid vacation, and no need to actually educate the kids, cause afterall, we want to dumb them down and get them ready for college. No offense to those few in acadamia that actually do teach. (and they are few, I've been there)

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:10 | 971642 Lord Koos
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People who think teaching kids is easy ought to try it for a few weeks. Three months vacation? Teachers deal with paperwork year-round. And they put in very long hours, grading papers, etc... their day doesn't end when the bell rings. Honestly I can't believe people demonizing teachers, like they are some kind of big problem.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:53 | 972089 MachoMan
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They are a big problem.  The issue is that more people are turning to homeschool because they can do a better job and are unwilling/unable to pay any more in property taxes to fund the wasteful schools.  At one time, teachers had their place as an important member of our society...  but at this juncture, their usefulness is long in the tooth.

K-12, teachers are little more than babysitters...  the estute children simply teach themselves...  bachelors = remedial math, english, basic sciences because kids didn't learn it in k-12...  post graduate degrees = vary widely by discipline...  some are easy, others hard...  but, no more babysitting at least.

The simple fact is that our society and the things citizens need to know to succeed are vastly too complex to instill upon us before we are posed with important decisions requiring this information...  teaching, as presently situated, is largely a useless endeavor...

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 22:58 | 972956 StychoKiller
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Check out: "Some Lessons from the Underground History of American Education" by John Taylor Gatto, found in "Everything You Know is Wrong",
ISBN 978-1-56731-637-7, pgs 274-287

The primary purpose of the USA Educational system is to SOCIALIZE the future worker bees in Corporations!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:14 | 971339 Bob
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Tonight at 10 on MSNBC, broadcasting live from Madison.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:31 | 970894 Pure Evil
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What coming collapse, was I asleep for 20 years like Rip Van Winkle and just wake up a second ago?

The collapse has already happened, just Bennie and the Printers trying to bandage the hemorrahaging with FRN's, (so not working Bennie.)

Plus, we're already in two major wars and have been for the last 10 years, or don't Iraq and Afghanistan count?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:24 | 971148 Common_Cents22
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There is no war or collapse until Katie Couric says so.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:17 | 971117 chet
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A war with Iran wouldn't be anywhere near major enough to divert attention from the fiscal collapse of the US.  It would have to be a world war, or nothing.  No trumped-up threats from fleas on the other side of the world. 

There would have to be real mortal danger to Americans at home to really divert the fury away from TPTB and onto an "enemy".

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:21 | 971132 LostWages
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A war between Iran and Israel would be to deflect the anger of protesting Iranians away from their govt and towards Israel.

The last gasp effort by doomed dictators to retain their power.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:35 | 971194 chet
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I agree that war with Iran is a possibility for the US or Israel, or likely both.  But I read the original post as talking about launching a war once the full financial/government ponzi collapses, the depression starts, and people understand how badly we've all been screwed.

At that point, I argue it would take something much more like WWII to divert the anger.  A war with Iran would be similar to scale as Iraq I think, or a bit worse, but not of WWII importance.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:11 | 971659 Lord Koos
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It makes no sense for the US to be in any kind of WW.  If it was a nuclear war, then forget it.  If it were to be a large conventional war, we couldn't manufacture our way out of a paper bag, the Chinese would kick our asses.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:23 | 971146 Calmyourself
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Most likely a WMD attack traced back to Pakistan and bingo we have a real war pushing nuke armed Pakistan into India / China cue the Yalu river redux and we have something to sink our teeth into especially with the logistics problems we then have to invade parts of Iran for supply lanes??

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:09 | 970841 tahoebumsmith
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"Our leaders are so unaware of what is happening on the ground in America". So true Michael, It really is scary how in denial this country is. I worry about my children's future everyday, they will not have the opportunities we had. Have a great weekend in Summit Co., lots of snow in Tahoe but nothing beats the pow in Summit especially at A Basin!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:11 | 970844 NOTW777
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still a lost little boy


is it just me or did mikey vote for obama

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:16 | 970865 NOTW777
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he s still a liberal at heart calling people who question his new fixation (ron paul) "nazis"

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:23 | 970891 arkady
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I find the massive influx of liberals in the Ron Paul movement disturbing.  Aside from their correct stance of being anti-war they usually have most economic principles dead wrong.  The latest example was my spat between Denninger and his support of Sovereign Currency, so many of his sycophants came out to defend their leader while spewing nonsense about Greenbackers and how great a state run fiat system would be.  Good grief.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:30 | 970924 Rick Masters
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Why would you be disturbed by a movement attracting people, most of whom are young with dynamic politics? Why does everything have to be black and white, or, more correctyl, red and blue. This is what turns 90 percent of my genertion off and gives the oligachs even more power.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:48 | 971006 arkady
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Rick, I just gave you one example there are many more!  They are clueless and driven by emotion, a typical youth characteristic.   You think it is a coincidince that a third of the Paul supporters are Truthers? 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:03 | 971051 DavidPierre
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Spoken as a "clueless and driven by emotion"


A typical youth characteristic of a short bus rider.


Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:06 | 971067 LFMayor
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I'm imagining that your contribution to the "revolution" lasts about as long as your blackberry's battery.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:31 | 970932 NOTW777
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they see an opportunity - kinda like looters when theres a riot.

ron paul supporters are viciously attacking other conservatives and obsessed with obamas birth location.

ron paul may have some good ideas on some financial issues but in my opinion he is unpredictable and prone to erratic behavior.  his beliefs on US foreign policy are insane.


Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:33 | 970944 Rick Masters
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You are correct his FP beleifs are out there. I read his book and while I liked much of it some of the FP stuff is unviable. I think Rand is the same way: end aid to Israel. Which is all well and good, but I have a feeling if he becomes a viable candidate for President, Israel will react harshly to their aid being cut off and may take a Putin playbook move: the Polonium sandwich. Gotcha on the librals as looters thing. Makes more sense now. Thanks.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:33 | 970945 Pure Evil
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I fail to see how anyone recommending ending the FED and going back to the gold standard could be insane.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:17 | 971681 Lord Koos
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Single-issue voters are a big problem.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:43 | 970979 trav7777
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what is insane about RP's foreign policy beliefs?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:48 | 970995 Rick Masters
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I dont think they are insane; I think they are out there as in they ae not going to happen. Look what happen to the Liberty ease dropping during a war. Imaginge ending their aid. I dont imagine they would just accept it.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:14 | 971100 squeal
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I don't get this at all.

WE are the superpower, not Israel.

What are they gonna do? Bomb us?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:48 | 971003 Max Hunter
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Besides the fact that the Military Industrial Complex wouldn't have their boot on our throat, or we can't kill brown people at will because they hate our freedom, nothing..

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:30 | 971172 NOTW777
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RPs approach to foreign policy is to stick his head in the sand.  he believes if we pretend foreign enemies and conflicts dont exist, they will disappear.

as a conservative I would prefer obama on defense/security any day over RP.

if RP would become president, our lives would be at risk even more than they are.  the jihadists would see his denial/naivete as a welcome to attack.

its amusing to see presidential candidates rail about foreign involvement, they promise to bring troops home. then (even the liberal ones) when they get into office, they change their views - guess those daily risk assessment reports are sobering

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:06 | 971303 gmrpeabody
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It is feasible that the reports that change their attitudes may just be the ones concerning where their re-election campaign funds will be coming from.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:48 | 971005 Dr. Engali
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Liberals aren't anti war. Their dear leader is a giant warmonger. They claim to be anti war when it is convenient for them.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:17 | 970868 midtowng
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The one thing you are can be certain about: Most right-wingers are unhappy about the move to serfdom only because they won't be the ones owning the serfs.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:19 | 970870 Pure Evil
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I'm still waiting for the giant chip bag with only one chip in the bag.

Broken and crumbled at that.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:18 | 971689 Lord Koos
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And the chip will be made out of paper mache'

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:20 | 970874 Thunder Dome
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I am fine with serfdom so long as I am not the serf.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:21 | 970882 arkady
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I always get a bit flustered when I read people blaming the financial oligarchs, reminds me of Mark the 99er.  Why is so much anger focused on the greedy bastards (they are) when it is the entire financial system designed and assisted by a gigantic central government that enables the greedy bastards in the first place.  I suppose one can easily blame the junky for being a junky, but it is intellectual dishonesty to completely ignore the Columbian drug cartel boss supplying the drugs in the first place.  Bernanke is the ultimate drug czar, instead of drugs he is supplying cheap money as the rest of us sink into poverty. 


Fwiw, the war fear that Krieger presented is unfortunately quite viable.  Like Rhambo said, never let a crisis go to waste.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:39 | 970949 DavidPierre
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"...Columbian drug cartel boss supplying the drugs in the first place."

Shit!   arkady... get up to speed... or STFU!

The CIA has dealt drugs for all 50 years of its existence--50 plus years, even before it was the CIA. And the point is that with multi-billion dollars a year in illegal drug money moved, laundered through the American economy, that money benefits Wall Street. That's the point of having the prohibitive drug trade, which the CIA effectively manages for the benefit of Wall Street.

Not even to mention the use of drugs to divide, control, dis-empower and jail citizens.


Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:51 | 971010 arkady
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Oh for crying out loud, it was an example, the CIA to my best knowledge does not actually manufacture the drugs - they are created in Columbia.  Do no tell me to STFU when you fail to recognize a simple analogy.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:21 | 971135 DavidPierre
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 "...a simple analogy"... would be your exiting the short bus for 'special class'.

Death squads guard shipments of cocaine. The head of these squads, Carlos Castano, is a key player in the Cali Drug Cartel, according to the Drug Enforcement Administration. Castano took over the direction of the death squads from another CIA asset, Colombian Army General Van Martinez. CIA involvement in Colombia began in the 1950s and grew along with the drug trade.  In 1991 the CIA established a Colombian naval intelligence group that became a key part of the death squads' continuing terror campaign against guerrillas and anyone who speaks out for change or peace.  Death squad leaders graduate from the School of the Americas in Fort Benning, Georgia, where thousands of Latin American soldiers have been trained in counterinsurgency and torture. Castano proudly takes responsibility for his massacres. He has kidnapped Colombian senators and he speaks in radio interviews about the need for more killing.

Try using that tool bar with the search app. up at the top of your screen.

Class dismissed for today!



Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:27 | 971161 squeal
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You got it backwards, IMO.

The power comes from the wealthy, who have completely infiltrated the entire government and regulatory apparatus. This is the natural and inevitable result of "free market" capitalism, carried to extremes as it has been here in the US. Deregulation has left so much power and wealth in the hands of the oligarchs, that now they have bought the government. They take money from the treasury at will. They draft the legislation that benefits themselves, and the congressman (whose survival depends on the wealthy) passes it.

If you look at the actions of our congress and government in general, it's obvious where the real power lies. You can't deny this, it's as clear as day. This fear of big government is leftover red-scare bullshit that Reagan fed you facilitate the corporate looting of the country, and the plundering of other countries.

Open your eyes, man! There's a corporate dick up your ass!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:18 | 971416 Bob
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Can't deny it?  Oh, yes, they can.  They got religion . . . and there's nothing their twisted brains cannot dump at the feet of "liberals" and "socialism" while mistaking the means (government) for the cause (predatory capitalism.)    It's just an ignorant and desperate fundamentalism that substitutes these words for "The Devil."  Yee-haw.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:32 | 971177 Pants McPants
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The drug lords are a bad example.  At least a drug lord satisfies his/her customers....whereas Bernanke et al. simply steals from anyone and everyone.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:19 | 971698 Lord Koos
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You are under the mistaken impression that the government, the Fed, and the oligarchs are separate entities.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:24 | 970897 Martin Silenus
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Silver's on a romp, amazing.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:28 | 970912 topcallingtroll
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Humans evolved to thrive under mildly scarce Calories. Mild Caloric restriction increases life span and reduces cancer and improves metabilic function. Google effects of.caloric restriction on lifespan.

We would all be healthier on a 21st century serf diet!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:28 | 971166 Calmyourself
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You first. 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:34 | 971184 pazmaker
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Of course we are not mice but studies show ......  Mild Caloric Restriction Induces fat accumulation in Female Mice




Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:23 | 971716 Lord Koos
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You are correct, if a serf diet consisted of real food, not processed crap, more like a 19th century diet than 21st century.  


Studies show that people were healthier and lived longer during the depression of the 1930s... the mortality rate actually went down.  It's counter-intuitive, but people eat less healthy foods when they are prosperous.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:33 | 970938 Oh regional Indian
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Nobody will "start" a war. A war is baked in. The end of a cycle and humans have never walked quietly into the night.

They've tried to make stairways to heaven and energy sources to rival the sun.

Always ended badly. Unless some seeds are planted now, the next go-arond will be no different in the end.

We are slaves of "explosion" while the universe powers on through implosion. Kid of reduces our chances of long term survival as a species anyways.

I thought the Serf size theme of this article was weak. Otherwise spot-on.


Thu, 02/17/2011 - 23:07 | 972973 StychoKiller
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As an Indian, you should know what the "Age of Kali" means...

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:38 | 970963 There is No Spoon
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What about the two wars we're already in? What about the youth who have already gone to the desert to fight? The conclusion is wishful thinking. What we have are two wars, insolvency, and iPhones for all.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:38 | 970964 Pants McPants
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"Is it Just me or is Obama a Total Joke?"

Hmmm, it seems there's a quick response for this....lemme see....wait for it....

Mike Krieger is a racist.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:46 | 970965 There is No Spoon
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try eating a cold mcdonald's burger, the "beef" will reveal itself.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:05 | 971301 aheady
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Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:41 | 970972 buzzsaw99
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With one bite of a McD's burger you get to sample an entire herd. They could lower prices to two cents and I wouldn't eat that crap.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:42 | 970980 johnQpublic
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of course there will be a great war...WW3


figured that out when the markets tanked in '08


think revelations....that seems about the direction we are headed

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:54 | 971021 Oh regional Indian
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johnQ, think even more prosaic revelations. 

We are living in a time when everythign is being revealed. Curroption, black money, dirty deeds, people, porn... everything is coming out so to speak.

Fascinating time. Also a time for the slaying of false idols (literally, American Idol?), clay feet and the rest. Think Tiger W, son Oprah Winfrey (long lost sister....yeah right!!!) iin India, suddenly exposign curroption is the rage. Left and right. 

Revelations indeed.


Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:52 | 971011 Fix It Again Timmy
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War is an easy sell when you haven't been in one for awhile, not so now; but if they should be so foolish as to start one, what do we fight it with, our military is a washout with drugged up, multiple-deployed, bone-weary troops, nah, going to need a new diversion or it's man the Titanic...

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:03 | 971054 LFMayor
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What did you do, watch that rerun of Platoon the other night?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 14:59 | 971033 HarrisonBergeron
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"......;The centre cannot hold,..."

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:04 | 971056 sabra1
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notice that oBLAHma is hardley on television anymore? what ever happened to his mother in-law who had moved into the white house? where is bobo the dog? well, where?

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:05 | 971057 Cerberus
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My biggest fear as I write this today is that the leaders of the West and the United States in particular will attempt to start a major war as a way to divert attention from the collapse that is coming and silence opposition or calls for justice.  I think they will view this as their only option once they know they have lost control of the situation (I think we are there).


They've tried TARP and QE.  Next up is ICBM.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:06 | 971092 Mercury
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Serf Size Me

I'll believe it when all you can buy with your SNAP/EBT card is a rudimentary biological paste that gives you bad breath. Eeeewww, you smell like the government....

WTW is sure as hell pricing in a fat future today...

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:16 | 971094 Pegasus Muse
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I'm a big fan of Krieger's writing.  Sad to say it but this piece of writing fails to measure up.  Mixing Wiki rumors, with Bankster atrocities, with commentary on McD's and O'bummer produces a smorgasbord of info that may make the minimum word count but lacks impact.

Pick a topic and hit it hard, Mike. I want to read something that hits you right between the eyes.  Something that makes an impact on people --- that wakes them up. 

And, please, do not sign off with and "I'm off snowboarding for the weekend."  Kind of lessons the gravity of the message you're trying to convey. 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:39 | 971208 pazmaker
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The world is ending!!!   See you on the slopes!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:17 | 971603 velobabe
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Your article title should of been called,

serfs up, mikey

my exact sentiments when i read his article on downhill skiing is at the root of a big big problem in the world. all the ski areas in colorado are corrupt. gas run chairlifts and expensive large gondolas, paying a hundred dollars a day to sit and be taken up the mountain. losers. take you up hill so you can ski downhill, christ what a racket. i stopped using downhill skis many many moons ago. everything that mike describes, is exactly what keystone and all ski areas in colorado represents, wasteful and unsustainable. you do know they make a lot of the snow with the blowers especially at stupid ugly summit county. snowboarding is so G A Y. it is so very very gay† disappointing on your part. drive in your car in to the mouintains to the worst, no eldora takes that cake, ski areas in the world. going with a former client, why isn't she still your client?

actually i am appauled by your sign off message. i take back my 5 star rating. no wonder she isn't your client any more.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:15 | 971099 sunkeye
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'serf size me'  good chuckle from that one t/y

my practical e.g nowadays is the dunkin' donuts 'long john'

ha might as well just change the name to 'john' the thing's

like 2/3rds what it used to be

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:16 | 971105 Fix It Again Timmy
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Well what we're doing in Afghanistan is sending out these small patrols out every day ad naseum - same stuff I did in Vietnam 40 years ago - nothing gets accomplished except for the fact we're spending $300 million a day which is a major defeat in itself - i don't think there is anyone in our military who knows how to fight division sized battles anymore, not that we should...

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:20 | 971124 Pegasus Muse
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The intent is not to win.  It is to stay at war.  Keeps the military industrial complex in business.  And it keeps the opiates flowing that fund our black ops. 

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:59 | 971891 Cathartes Aura
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amrka is providing the jobs for the soldiers while simultaneously en-rich-ing the war machinery makers - plus, all those poppyfields the taliban burnt are back in bizness baby!  funneling the profits through the banking laundromats, ready for new shiney bribery of the outstretched hands of co-cons-pirate-ors.

but hey, who cares - let's go snowboarding!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:25 | 971152 Stimulus Billy
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Were trying to take down the opium farming and trade.  Sounds like a grind.  National Geographic Magazine had a story on it lately.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 00:13 | 973081 Race Car Driver
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I junked you for being shamelessly ignorant about current and historical eventns concerning governments, drugs, money and power. And, for pimping National Geographic as a credible source.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:28 | 971737 Lord Koos
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After transportation costs are figured in, the military is paying about $400 a gallon for gas in Afghanistan.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:01 | 971900 Cathartes Aura
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and just imagine how many gallons they burn through a minute.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:43 | 971220 jmc8888
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Obama is a fucking joke. A fascist imeperial monetarist.  I'm a dem. He's not (well in name yes).


Keep going Krieger, it goes beyond Ron Paul's 'other' side of monetarism.

It's not choosing from two piles of shit....Keynesian or Austrian.

It's about throwing both piles of shit in the trash and picking something else, the American Credit System.

Use Glass-Steagall to pound the ass of the bankstas.  It would pound both Krugman and Ron Paul appropriately.

Say no to ALL forms of monetarism.  Ron Paul's, Krugman's, and others.

What do Ron Paul and Paul Krugman have in common besides both have paul in their names?  The answer, they both believe we should pay off the a) fraudulent and b)unpayable debts.

One side prints to pay these off, the others cut's social spending (and ignores the real strife and death associated with it) to pay off the again.....a) fraudlent and b) unpayable debts.

So who wants to pay for fraudulent debts? Only unpatriotic dumbshits. 

Change your reality by realizing it.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:47 | 971232 pazmaker
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JMC you are consistent and persistent!   Thanks  I may not agree with you on everything, but I appreciate your passion on this and have learned some from you!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:50 | 971246 digalert
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I used to enjoy a BigMac on occassion, until the last. Now it's a LittleMac, yep downsized due to left, liberal, progressive radical nutjobs. No Mickey D's for me.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 18:04 | 971911 Cathartes Aura
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FFS dude, you should eat 4 at a time just to show those loser liberal radicals you da man!

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 15:56 | 971267 Dirtt
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Taibbi would be iconic. Unfortunately his choir is deaf, dumb and blind.  Nothing he wrote in 'Vampire Squid' and 'Why Aren't THEY in Jail' was news to me.  And unfortunately I know Matt's choir way way way too well.  I'm surrounded by them. Deaf, dumb and blind is far too polite to describe their feeble minds. Kool-Aid? How about cyanide.

Except that cyanide they took is taking us all down. And memo to Young Americans for Freedom...FUCK YOU TOO.

Thank you too Mike Krieger. SEIU America? RINO America? Progressive America? FUCK THAT.  I'll live on the ocean before I'll live with that filth.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:02 | 971289 Miss Expectations
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How sad that Matt Tiabbi's youtube views aren't in the hundreds of thousands.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:14 | 971333 10kby2k
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People want volume in their food.  Just add flavorings and hardner to cat food and serve.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 23:13 | 972986 StychoKiller
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Sit down and eat your plastic rice! :>D

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:21 | 971365 anonnn
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FYI- our own history and understanding of "serfs".

The Czar freed the serfs of Russia 2 years before Lincoln freed the USA slaves. Sadly, both heads-of-state delayed theactual effect-date and the terms granting freedom deeply compromised the result.

The Czar paid gov't money at exhorbitant rates to the estate owners, and ex-serf payments to buy the land were too steep, so the ex-serfs mostly lost their new land rights and many estates returned to the previous landlords.

In the USA, the newly freed had nowhere to turn for subsistence until they could bring-in their own crops or other occupation incomes.

For source material, read Peter Kropotkin...he was there...right there... on the very spot as student-aide to the Czar [top of his class in the Czar court's school] when the Czar signed the proclamation [incl. the delayed take-effect day]. 

Kropotkin's autobio was recco'd to me as one of the finest ever written. It's a magnificient, first-person account of history.

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 16:46 | 971501 Malachi Constant
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Our leaders are so unaware of what is happening on the ground in America.

See SNAFU principle:

"True communication is only possible between equals"

Thu, 02/17/2011 - 17:32 | 971770 Fix It Again Timmy
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"Fradulent debts" - the entire monetary system described in two words  - +1000000000000

Thank you, jmc888

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 01:00 | 973191 atomicwasted
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Similar to the fact that the real agenda of the green/warmist movement is to convince people to happily accept a lower standard of living.  "You don't need 1300 square feet or a car or beef!  They are bad for Gaia!"

Sat, 02/19/2011 - 08:55 | 977167 Mike2756
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They are already there, no more medium coffee and i swear the biscuit had NHL stamped on it.

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