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Mike Krieger On Why Ditching The Prozac Is Long Overdue And Why It's Time For A New Renaissance

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From Mike Krieger at KAM LP

None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.

- Wolfgang von Goethe

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Ditch the Prozac it's Time for a New Renaissance

Before I get into it, I want people to understand that the use of Prozac in the title should not be taken literally.  There are many people out there that really do have serious mental issues and medication is useful in helping their condition.  As I hope is clear, “Prozac” is a metaphor for all of the brainless endeavors that have become such an integral part of many Americans’ lives.  Such activities destroy the soul of humankind and play directly into the hands of the ruling elite that wish for you to be dumb, ignorant animals easily manipulated, corralled and sheared.  There is a reason that plantation owners used to forbid slaves to learn how to read and write.  They understood that an ignorant person is much less likely to resist their enslavement.  The same is true in America today, where an unthinking and DEPENDENT person is unlikely to resist.

When we watch videos like the most recent one showing hundreds of people trampling and drooling over each other like mindless drones to get $25 off an IPAD at Wal-Mart the reaction of thinking people the world over is sheer terror.  It makes you want to move to another planet where you never have to interact with such frightening stupidity that can easily be manipulated into something far worse once their “goodies” are inevitably taken away from them.  While I share this concern I want to make it very clear that there is hope for us once we get through the complete and total systemic collapse that I believe will occur within the next 1-2 years.  The main reason for the hope is the internet and all related technologies.  The other, ironically enough, is the financial crisis itself. 

First the financial crisis.  Strangely enough, it was the best thing that could have ever happened to the United States.  It may have come just in time and just at the right moment.  While a very large percentage of the population remains a gigantic unthinking blob, this is appears always to be the case throughout history.  On the other hand, we that are conscious and are trying to changes things represent a small fraction; however, it is always the dedicated few on the margin that create profound and lasting change.  Sometimes this change is liberating.  Think the founding fathers.  Sometimes this change is nightmarish.  Think the rise of Nazi Germany.  Sometimes it is just a campaign slogan and results in business as usual. Think Barack Obama. 

There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind of one thing.  That we are in what Neil Howe and William Strauss dub “The Fourth Turning,” which represent periods where the prior status quo is completely ended and something new emerges from the ashes.  This means that despite the best efforts of the Washington D.C./Wall Street TBTF oligarchy the monetary system is on its last legs and something new will replace it.  Unfortunately for us, the leadership in these areas are so filled with greed and arrogance they cannot see what is right in front of their eyes.  Or those that do see it care so little about the future of the country relative to their personal social status that they dare not speak up.  The universe will have its way with these folks.

In light of this, I have two primary concerns at the moment.  First, I see what the Chinese and Russians are doing.  They are buying physical gold by the boatload so that the real money is over there when the collapse happens and then they can try to institute a credible currency in the aftermath and take on the role of global economic leaders.  In the case of the Chinese they are also encouraging citizens to buy gold and silver.  When the collapse happens and gold and silver are seen as money again the Chinese government wants to come out smelling like roses.  Meanwhile, here in America our disingenuous financial leaders like Warren Buffet ridicule gold.  Everyone needs to remember what this man and his senile sidekick Charlie Munger said about gold once the collapse occurs.  As such, one of my missions to funnel as much gold and silver as possible into the hands of the United States citizenry right now while we can.  That way China will not be able to dictate monetary rules to us down the road. 

My second concern relates to the first.  I know there will be tremendous change in the years to come.  It will be the type of total geopolitical change witnessed only once in a generation.  I want this change to be the good sort of change.  While there is no doubt there will be a period of chaos and very challenging times, we can react to that in a variety of ways.  We can look for a leader like George Washington or we can look for a leader like Adolf Hitler.  Hard times bring out the best and the worst in people.  Of course, I want the former and I have become increasingly encouraged that this is a possibility. 

What the financial crisis did for myself and many others like me was to shake me out of the slob-like daze I was in prior to it.  Prior to the crisis, I was your typical brainwashed sell-side Wall Streeter.  I had always read books voraciously in my free time before I joined Wall Street.  All of that stopped.  I used to play guitar.  That stopped as well.  What the financial crisis forced me to do was to look beneath the façade of the financial system to how it really works.  When I did this I realized it was a gigantic ponzi scheme centered around a paper U.S. dollar defended by our hundreds of military bases abroad and periodic wars in the Middle East to ensure oil is priced in dollars.  I saw that this system was not only immoral to the rest of the world, but it was immoral domestically since it funnels all the country’s wealth to its least productive members.  Washington D.C. bureaucrats, the military-industrial complex and TBTF Wall Street firms.  This made me question everything about my life and forced me to make serious changes.  I started reading profusely again.  I started meditating every morning.  I quit my job.  Most recently, I moved from Manhattan to Colorado.  People all over the country are doing similar things and are forming the nucleus of what will hopefully later be seen as the New Renaissance.              

When I wrote earlier that the crisis happened at the right time I meant at a time when the internet was mature enough o help us find our way out of this.  The absence of a filter on the web is perhaps the most liberating and connecting event that has ever happened to humanity.  Think about what you would have to do if you wanted to research a topic fifteen years ago.  Think about how quickly I can share a lecture by Murray Rothbard (RIP) via youtube with thousands of people that have never heard of him. 

I take great exception when people say the smart thing to do is to flee the country.  If everyone with a brain and some fight left in them did this we would surely end up with a dictator.  We have the tools to fight and to win.  The nation is heavily armed, fiercely independent, has a constitution and a history of freedom.  We also have the internet.  It is the parasites in D.C. and the financial terrorists that should think about moving out.

All the best,
Mike

 

 

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Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:40 | 811794 Racer
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This is why they want to ban protests by students in the UK and are getting rid of ESA payments (to help them stay on longer in school)to poor families ...

Don't want the sheeple waking up and seeing they are slaves do they!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:49 | 811816 SheepDog-One
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Just reading the articles about UK in effect instituting martial law. Im sure someone will retort that some stock is up though.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:11 | 811874 One Ton Lady
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There are over one million cameras in London alone.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:00 | 812044 jus_lite_reading
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The average Londoner is caught on camera 300 times per day. WOW!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:03 | 812219 destraht
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The majority of them could be taken down in just a few hours.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:16 | 812263 DaveyJones
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this article is depressing

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:17 | 812434 SheepDog-One
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Yep it is!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:23 | 812287 Saxxon
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You got junked because a million's too many; but we know there are a lot.  Nothing a squirrel gun and/or some flat black spray paint can't handle, in America.

Never forget that 1984 and Brave New World were written by Brits.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:03 | 812393 jus_lite_reading
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We're beyond 1984- this is Terminator/Running Man stuff now

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:47 | 812537 Praetor
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Let's hope they don't institute "Climbing For Dollars" as the next reality TV show for the poor!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntz0_besT04

 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 20:34 | 812920 akak
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Never forget that 1984 and Brave New World were written by Brits.

But they seem to have overlooked the fact that both Orwell and Huxley meant those books to be warnings and scenarios to be avoided, NOT as the blueprints that the Brits are busily using them as instead!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:02 | 812049 jus_lite_reading
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SD-1 Why the efff did you get junked for this? 3 times no less? hmmmmmm

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:15 | 812433 SheepDog-One
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Oh hell I dont know...I dont even pay attention to the junks, someone ate too many sour grapes.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:49 | 812190 Bring the Gold
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Does anyone have a link to confirm the UK martial law thing? Thanks in advance.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:18 | 812440 SheepDog-One
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Heres a link to a video I caught, a bit long winded but the direct article is linked to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHHgT7n6Uzg&feature=sub

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:06 | 812231 Calmyourself
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Links please..

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:10 | 812078 Billy Shears
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END FRACTIONAL RESERVE BANKING!!!!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:17 | 812087 the mad hatter
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+1

"I believe that banking institutions are more  dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American  people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency,  first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that  will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all  property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their  fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks  and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

- Thomas Jefferson -- The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809)

Commence deflation/risk-off trade in t-minus 1 hour.

http://unconstitutional.blogspot.com

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 18:06 | 812603 TreadwCare
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http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp

but hell, at this point snopes is just another psy-ops propaganda mouth piece, right?  RIGHT?!? 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:14 | 812091 Turd Ferguson
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END FRACTIONAL RESERVE BULLION BANKING!!!!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:51 | 812191 Bring the Gold
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Not yet man! I'm still stacking! ;)

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:20 | 812276 I think I need ...
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CLASSIC!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:51 | 812195 Unholy Dalliance
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Who on earth junked these sensible, salient and, more to the point, true comments?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:53 | 812199 Unholy Dalliance
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Who on earth 'junked' these sensible, salient and, above all, true comments?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:40 | 812522 JJJones
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Dutch to Dillon: "You don't understand... if we don't make a stand now, no one is going to make it to the chopper..." First "Predator" movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3DsmGvVqiw&feature=sub

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:49 | 811802 kengland
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"The nation is heavily armed, fiercely independent, has a constitution and a history of freedom."

 

"What the financial crisis did for myself and many others like me was to shake me out of the slob-like daze I was in prior to it.  Prior to the crisis, I was your typical brainwashed sell-side Wall Streeter."

 

Your rebirth has a LONG WAY TO GO if you truley believe the first quote. You have a lot of catching up to do. I would suggest going back to at LEAST the whig party collapse. May I suggest the book "Lincoln Unmasked." Freedom? Reconcille the hell bent effort made by a few since the inception of the US to form a central bank. Corporatism has been around at LEAST since the begining. Who sold US bonds during the civil war? On and on and on an on and on. Pretty soon you will realize that it's all a myth. A fiction

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:50 | 811820 SheepDog-One
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Tired of living centuries in the past. Im here and now, I could give a fuck what Lincoln did. Any attempt to call 'game over man, got sold out by some dude 250 years ago' is simply cowardice from those who wont do anything in the only time that matters- NOW!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:57 | 811837 chopper read
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 The World's Largest Army. America's Hunters?

 


‎"The state of Wisconsin has gone an entire deer hunting season without someone getting killed. That's great. There were over 600,000 hunters. Allow me to restate that number. Over the last two months, the eighth largest army in the world - more men under arms than Iran; more than France and Germany combined - deployed to the woods of a single American state to help keep the deer menace at bay. But that pales in comparison to the 750,000 who are in the woods of Pennsylvania this week. Michigan's 700,000 hunters have now returned home. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia, and it is literally the case that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world. America will forever be safe from foreign invasion of troops with that kind of home-grown firepower.

Hunting - it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of national security!"

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:04 | 811853 DoChenRollingBearing
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chopper, very good! 

There is some hope after all.  Yeah, just try to take our guns away...

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:21 | 811903 Milestones
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Add in Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona, Montana, Idaho, New Mexico. I live in one of the above states and don't know a soul who doesn't own at least one gun.

Someone in D.C. and NYC are about to make one hellva of bad mistake.    Milestones

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:23 | 812281 seek
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Arizona here. I have a great anecdote to back this up.

I'm out at my ranch with a friend, and he notices some shell casings on the ground near the property line. Neighbor from ranch next over comes up, and we ask if he'd been shooting at all (no biggie, just wanted to know who.) He replies "nah, wasn't me, I don't have any guns; just the one AR-15."

Gotta love the mind-set out here. Having "just one" civilian version of the main US infantry rifle is the same as being unarmed.

 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:25 | 811913 Milestones
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Add in Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona, Montana, Idaho, New Mexico. I live in one of the above states and don't know a soul who doesn't own at least one gun.

Someone in D.C. and NYC are about to make one hellva of bad mistake.    Milestones

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:43 | 811989 downrodeo
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+1

 

:-D

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:50 | 812017 kengland
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You speak as if conventional wars still exsist. Let me just say that a 7mm remi isn't going to cut a predator flying over head. Here's a reminder of what your army can expect.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMrd3fKy3pI

 

Here's your "freedom"

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:52 | 812023 chopper read
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do you know how many friends that we have in the military?  who do you believe you are talking to, boy?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:59 | 812038 downrodeo
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+1

Obviously I can't know for sure, but I think that many who believe that our troops will just wantonly kill american civilians are sorely mistaken. Granted there are probably some who would, but to think that there would be nobody within the military who would be brave enough to refuse that order is paranoid in my opinion. Friends and family who are as much a part of my life as my left arm are within their ranks. Thus, if I am to be betrayed and killed by my fiancee's brother or my best friend from my childhood, then so be it. I will say though, they both have had plenty of chances in the past, and neither of them have made a move yet.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:18 | 812096 MrPalladium
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They can't just refuse the order. They would have to turn the guns around and begin firing at their comrades who would be willing to slaughter American civilians, and that won't happen.

The military has already surveyed its troops and knows who will and who will not open fire on Americans.

Just a hint. Who do you think is stationed half way around the world (out of harms way) and who is stationed here in the U.S.? Is it any accident that most of the troops I see stateside don't look like me while most fighting in Afganistan do look like me?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:37 | 812322 CH1
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You know a lot of things that the rest of us have no evidence for.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:18 | 812245 destraht
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You are correct. The American military will not wantonly kill Americans in the street. You know what they will do though? They will certainly use non-lethal weapon packages against us. There already are thousands (if not as much as 20,000) soldiers deployed into the United States. They are not merely hanging out on a military base but *deployed* awaiting orders. They have equipment such as high frequency microwave technology that resonates with your nerves and makes you feel like you are being boiled alive, mounted on trucks. They have the lesser acoustic equivalent, tear gas, cs gas, tasers, etc. Kill us outright? No but torture us they will.

Basically there is technology today that completely changes the paradigm. Videos of people writing on the ground will not go over well but its a far cry from headlines such as "75 dead".

If the Chinese had this technology during Tiananmen Square ordeal they would have just strafed the crowd several times and they would have gotten the fuck out of there. Done and no more blockade. Entire streets can be cleared in moments with this stuff. Two of them on a six lane street are unstoppable with additional support. This is what we are up against. Not so much drone strikes on our own people.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:29 | 812298 DaveyJones
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I was just having this conversation with law enforcement this morning. My job keeps me in constant contact. My informal polls suggest that there is very little doubt which side they will take when the shit hits the fan. So that got me thinking about those numbers. As if we haven't learned in the last decade, all the high tech in the world does not keep the citizenry under control when they are pissed, pounded, and desperate.  

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:10 | 812410 Husk-Erzulie
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Sorry, what exactly do your informal polls tell you? Which side will they take?

Fri, 12/17/2010 - 12:39 | 813028 DaveyJones
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the good one

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:04 | 812058 cosmictrainwreck
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just need a batallion or 2 with a commander who's got balls & absolute loyalty of troops (maybe I'm dreaming..could such exist?) to go "rogue" when they get tired of getting fucked by Joint Chiefs and all the fat-ass bureaucrats wearing their fuckin' braid, oak leafs & stars in the Pentagon

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:08 | 812069 Thanatos
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1961

Almost happened to France in 61... This is why the Legion is NOT allowed to possess any heavy weapons.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:08 | 812070 cosmictrainwreck
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oh, I forgot the fat-ass full birds, wering their eagles (ain't that ironic?); lap-dogs to the generals

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:15 | 812088 kengland
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"They thought they were free"

Everyone turns on everyone. Read it. You may enjoy it

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:59 | 812381 chopper read
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i hear you.  Great recommendation.

What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

I still believe you are underestimating our military which largely consists of country folks who have been pushed around by bureaucrats for years. They're in the military because agrarian america has been overran by coporate plutocrats using counterfeited fiat.  The middle class is probably the only thing holding back a coup right now. When they step out of the way, it is not looking good for the ruling elites who have no power in the event of a currency collapse.  Further, this is not some "dope-smoking hippies" rioting at Kent State, who can be villianized by 'conservative' Americans.  The revolt is coming FROM 'conservative' Americans who agree with the "dope-smoking hippies" that our Federal government has grown too powerful.  Congressional approval ratings are at an all time low of 13%, disapproval at 85%.  The country is united against the Federal Reserve and extended International Banking Cartel.  They WILL fail.  We WILL prevail. 

 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:59 | 812040 tmosley
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You are going to need a lot of drones.  Those missiles cost $68K each.  Also not much good when the supply lines to their airbases are totally cut off by hoards of snipers.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:09 | 812400 chopper read
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agreed.  they better be prepared to hand over gold as payment to mercenaries in the event of a fiat collapse.  Further, any chance the disenfrachised masses who manufacture the weapons begin to sabotage the effort? 

even though we Americans are debt-slaves to the Federal Reserve, many are unaware.  Just wait until someone attempts to tell us that we are not free.  A lot of Americans may not be too sharp on money matters, but they are damn proud of their revolutionary history.  damn proud.  I do believe the world will be surprised by the fury of a sleeping giant.

 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:05 | 812060 Thanatos
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Funny, We have those drones all over the place whacking people at a million or more a pop.

It doesn't seem to be doing much other than recruiting more pissed off people to blow up US shit.

I bet they go over real big once used on US citizens on US soil.

Your right about conventional wars too... 4GW is upon us. Everything has changed and it did not slide in the favor of modern militaries.

 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:41 | 812333 LFMayor
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Hey Sun Tsu, tell us,  what exactly is conventional about a populace that is self-armed and self-fed, looks just like the OPFOR and is probably blood related to the OPFOR in 90% of the cases examined?

Mass has it's own rule, it runs over objects that are smaller than it.  Force multiplyers, no matter, they'll lose if they go up against the domestics here.

And read up on Chechnya man, it's on the net.  I think the moslems there are despicable, but I'm not above learning how they defeated the modern Russian forces with man portable armaments only.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:14 | 812425 SheepDog-One
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Oh another one with the line 'its all futile...predator drones' crap.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:57 | 812032 xenophobe51
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Where is this quote from?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:09 | 812075 Max Hunter
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Great post.. I had no idea of the numbers.. And then there are those like me, armed to the teeth and don't hunt.. :)

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:10 | 812077 jus_lite_reading
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Amen to that! I've got 12 myself! double style!

 

An aside, Bloomberg radio said, the gov't want us to "prepare" for a nuclear attack and they gave adice what  to do.. hmmmmmmmm

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:28 | 812125 almost_have_a_name
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Tom Selleck on the Rosie O'Donnell Show

 

Skip to 5:00, listen for 45 seconds.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtkgoGY4Cm4

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:36 | 812150 Stock-Paper-Silver
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.

 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:38 | 812158 Stock-Paper-Silver
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+100  Isn't this the truth. I can not tell you how many gun owners I know, it would be hard to count and many you would never suspect would be owners. Bankers, Business Owners, Teachers, Home Renovators, IT Programmers... the list is large and eclectic for sure. Of course owning a firearm is like buying an ounce of silver, once you have one, you can't just have one.  This is in spite of many in our lives that have tried to teach us that guns are evil. Those that make that claim have never been to a range because once you go and exercise you right as an American, you realize they are not evil, you have been misled, and they ARE liberty.  We are a nation of freedom, reluctant to use it but armed to keep it. For another American to junk this post is to admit to your subservience or impose your delusional dominance.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 23:14 | 813002 rosiescenario
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...you left out my group...precision shooters....varmint, benchrest, competitive target shooters and the like.

 

...not that I am recommending or suggesting anything, but you'll recall that the one loan sniper around D.C. a few years ago played hell with everyone's lives for quite awhile.

It just goes to show how utterly disruptive one fairly inept sniper could be. It has also struck me how incredibly restrained and forgiving the American public is in general. Nothing violent happened to Madoff or the folks at Enron....a bit surprising given the ruin they brought to many individuals, especially those in Texas.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:02 | 811846 DoChenRollingBearing
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+++ SheepDog

The game is not over.  We must act very soon or we will get an even uglier future than is already coming.

As I see no really good leaders right now (ex. Ron Paul), I am preparing...  Buying gold (and all the other stuff).  When the right leaders appear (from the Tea Party maybe?  I see NO ONE from the Ds who is remotely capable of leading us out of the mess), yeah OK, I will be there to donate and vote and volunteer.

Until then, I am saving my PMs, spending less, practicing shooting my weapons, etc.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:25 | 811912 Shell Game
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The Appleseed Project:  http://www.appleseedinfo.org/

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:38 | 811969 DoChenRollingBearing
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Very interesting site, thanks for sharing it.

Yes, my wife and daughter know how to shoot our guns.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:59 | 812043 tmosley
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Yup.  I will be signing up for one of their courses in Spring.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:24 | 812115 Shell Game
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Excellent, I went to two meets this year and had a great time. They're perfect for the whole family (kids and gals free).  I think my accuracy improved by at least 100%, great April 19, 1776 stories too..

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:43 | 812343 LFMayor
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+1.  Awesome training on a budget and a good spot to network.  And if you're so damn good already, then go and help teach.  I'm thinking you'll end up learning, though.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:33 | 812497 Shell Game
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learning, still, always..

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:16 | 811889 One Ton Lady
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Isn't that called cognitive dissonance?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:17 | 811891 Mark Medinnus
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Kengland's point is to understand the past to avoid its repetition.

Reading maketh a full man.  

Knowledge is power. 

Know thyself. 

The best that has been thought or uttered. 

Aphorisms may be multiplied here, but the point is to inform action with knowledge that empowers.  Lincoln was an eloquent tyrant who twisted the facts of American history in Orwellian ways.  This insight empowers.  That was Kengland's point about Lincoln.  

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:03 | 812052 merehuman
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pride comes before a fall.  Much gathers more, loss leads to greater loss reminds me to be thankful. For the day, the life and the moment. All else is xtra and up to me and YOU

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:36 | 811960 Worker Bee
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Also, what do we really know about the "founding fathers?" Only what state run schools tell us. You usually find that it was the same ol' bullshit from politicians back then. Hell they didn't want you to vote if you didn't own property! Our ideas about the fore- fathers and the reality, I think, are probably quite different. Hows 'bout some new fathers? Some de-framers of the ponzitution?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:55 | 812031 Dingleberry Jones
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The reason that they restricted voting to property owners was so that the proles wouldn't vote themselves largess.

A better, modern day implementation would be a civics test coupled with an IQ test.  Of course that isn't PC. Not to mention that people with a brain and an interest in our theoretical legal system are wanted in the voting booths by the powers that be.

 

 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:19 | 812100 Max Hunter
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Exactly!!

I wouldn't advocate an IQ test.. I would, however, advocate a "general knowledge" test combined with a "current events" test..  People should have some kind of idea of what's going on in the world and what to make of it.. Of course, our great "democracy" wouldn't allow that.. Because the TV Zombies might not be as inclined to maintain the consensus corporate America so desperately needs them to.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:08 | 812221 Bring the Gold
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The only problem there is that who would create and administer the tests? Who would watch them? Who watches the watchers?

In the end the problem is us. That is the egoic state humanity has been in for thousands of years. I submit that the species must evolve past this for any real change to take place. Otherwise it's just another "revolution" of the wheel of time. This isn't to suggest that people should accept horrific injustice, violence and parasitism. It simply means that we can only hope for brief respite from human madness. The respite usually comes after a particularly dark bout of insanity (WWII).

To paraphrase: "A problem cannot be solved at the same level of consciousness it was created" Einstein

Work against injustice, but work to find harmony and peace within oneself. Finding that place of calm within, act from there. Established in being perform action.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:00 | 812384 Max Hunter
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Good Points.. Unfortunately, the "who will police the police" is everywhere and will always be a problem.. I don't see us evolving out of this.. Maybe, but we will have to be broken down and our conditioning will have to be destroyed before that happens..

One of the many quotes from Einstein that I relish.  He wasn't just a great physicist, he was a great thinker..

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:09 | 812407 DollarMenu
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Good thoughts, thank you.

It takes focus to elevate consciousness - let us pray that

enough are jolted to this level of awareness.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:00 | 812045 kengland
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"Only what state run schools tell us."

 

This point may well be lost here. Let them continue to "pledge an allegience" to a concept that they have never seen but have been spoon fed.

Please google "Francis Bellamy" and look into his family.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:05 | 812059 jus_lite_reading
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Good point.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 19:34 | 812789 Advoc8tr
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This is just a semantic interlude but I have come accross the saying "could care less" or "could give a fuck" several times in last few days....

I always thought the turn of phrase was "couldn't give a fuck" or "Couldn't care less"  as in I could not care any less about XYZ i.e it is impossible to care less about something than I do etc....

Can anyone clarify which is the correct phrase?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 19:39 | 812806 akak
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The correct phrase, of course, and the only one that makes any sense, is "Could NOT care less".  If one could care less, then that means that one really does care!

Those who sloppily use the phrase "I could care less ...." actually couldn't care less about proper grammar, as they are evidently too dumb and/or too lazy, and most likely too involved with FaceHook and texting, to care about much of anything.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:54 | 811832 H. Perowne
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Please notice that he mentioned Washington and not Lincoln as a leader to emulate. Please also avoid TYPING IN ALL CAPS and learn to spell if you want to be taken seriously.

 

See, condescension is fun, isn't it?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:05 | 811854 SheepDog-One
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Kengland, your rhetoric is what makes me most sick. I see it all over in articles from 'oracles' of secret truth and such, Youtube is full of navel gazers as well.

Saying youre a slave or 'we're all slaves' because of something someone did 300 years ago, or 2,000 years ago. You dont have to be a slave, I guarantee you no central bankster is living off my labor, I dont pay them a damn thing and dont use their systems of fiat fractional reserve credit.

So instead of whining about how its game over why not realize youre in the here and now, past doesnt matter, and take things in your own hands to change it! IF you want it to change!

But be forewarned, the financial terrorists are willing to DO things to you, thats why theyre in charge. Heres a quote from kindly grandfatherly Warren Buffet- 'Theres class warfare alright but its MY class, the rich class, thats making war and we're winning'!
Those like Buffet know theyre safe because youll do nothing and play their game. Maybe whine about it occasionally, but youll still play.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:41 | 811979 One Ton Lady
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Oh, so you think you are not a slave? 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:11 | 812412 SheepDog-One
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Right as I just laid out above. Im sure you are a slave though, kinda sounds like you have shit fer brains.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:30 | 812484 CH1
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If a guy says, "I am not a slave," and takes any kind of action to back it up, you need to give him the benefit of the doubt.

The goal here is free human action, not to prove that the other guy is a chump.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:16 | 811887 johny2
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Good post. 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:26 | 811904 Shell Game
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Wrong, kengland.  The coming Revolution will come at the hands of a very determined and heavily armed citizenry that you underestimate.  Indeed, one cannot underestimate the majority enough, it is not they who will ellicit the coming revolution.

Watch our brothers to the South, who have never forgotten the sins of the north in destroying state's rights and bringing an end to the Republic.  They are heavily armed and highly motivated to vindicate their ancestors and live free, or die trying. Excelsior!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:55 | 812201 Rebel
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Yep, watch your brothers to the South

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:44 | 812339 Shell Game
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not from the sidelines I won't.  ;)

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 20:41 | 812927 Hulk
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The South will rise again! Time to start practicing the Rebel yell, if only I knew what one sounded like...

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:32 | 812493 CH1
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The problem is that a lot of the brothers to the south have some nasty ideas mixed in with the good ones... like the idiotic belief that Mexicans are their enemies.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:38 | 812519 Shell Game
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Nasty ideas know no boundries, seen and heard real winners up and down the chain, from sea to shining sea, etc..  But, now that you mention immigration.  It's not the Mexican's who are the enemy, but the the collectivists who seek more entitlement slaves to perpetuate the status quo, and, perhaps fodder to divide and conquer the people of the U.S.  Collectivists have always been, and will always be, the enemy of common folk.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 20:58 | 812962 Thomas
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Actually, corporatism grew during the 19th cenury. "Gangs of America" offers an excellent treatise on the rise of corporatism through the lens of various Supreme Court decisions giving corporations civil rights without responsibilities. It is more scholarly and less hyperbolic than the title suggests.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:47 | 811813 SheepDog-One
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I agree, whenever I hear these financial guys saying your only hope is to pack up and move to Argentina, doesnt sit well with me at all. Lets make the parasite 'leaders' and the financial terrorists move out, Rainbow Six style!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:34 | 811950 iDealMeat
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Won't happen until people cut they're consumption in everything they do. Seeing all the fat asses charge into wal-mart to feed from the china made trough is disgusting every time I see it.

Although from your above comments it sounds like you're going the right way.  Cheers..

 

Baby steps I guess..

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:06 | 812063 jus_lite_reading
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Very well stated.

 

Until the free beer and unemployment checks stop, they are happy as pie.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:35 | 812318 aerojet
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Why the hell do you really care what other people do?  If you don't partake in consumerism, then you're not part of the problem. Let the idiot retail-paying riff-raff do whatever it is the idiot retail-paying riff-raff do.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:33 | 812501 CH1
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Again, anyone who takes real action - any intelligent action to evade or answer the collapse - should get the benefit of the doubt. It's the do-nothings that you should condemn.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:51 | 811822 shushup
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Unfortunately the dependent want dependence. It is the easy way for them. That is why they do not educate themselves and most certainly are not reading the excellent article.    

We do need a revolution to gain our freedom back and force the dependant sheeple to be free and find their own way.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:53 | 811827 reader2010
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I am afraid we have already passed the point of no return. 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:42 | 811992 One Ton Lady
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In so many respects, I would have to agree.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:37 | 812509 CH1
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Personally, I think America (at least as most of us would like to think of it) is over... dead and gone.

If things collapse quickly, there is a chance for the productive to rebuild. If it goes down slowly, we are screwed big-time.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:54 | 811828 chopper read
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best post in a long time.  Mike Krieger, well put.

http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/plot-enslave-you

 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:58 | 812197 B9K9
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Yep, I used to give Krieger crap when he periodically (re)lapsed into accusations of PTB incompetence. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth. Once one gains the proper perspective necessary to survey the entire landscape, clarity suddenly comes into sharp focus.

I understand many @ ZH are dismayed as the site takes on a more political orientation, but as Krieger correctly points out, the game is moving on to the next stage. And that stage isn't about the economy, and it certainly isn't about finance. No, the next stage is all about control: who has it, who's losing it, and what opportunities are availing themselves to this generation to make a positive change.

Consider the prospects of Iceland becoming the world's leading data center for opposition information research and dissemination. Or Ireland (once the IRA deals with the turn-coats) becoming an extradition free haven for hackers, programmers & analysts drilling away at vulnerable locations. These places will experience debt-free economic booms as a world audience (electronically) rushes to discover the truth.

As the corrupt & decaying US empire retreats both domestically & overseas, what opportunities will arise to fill the void(s)? Think people, think. The old order is dead; they may or may not know it, but it is. Will they go quietly without a fight? Certainly. But lose they will.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:49 | 812559 DoChenRollingBearing
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Excellent commentary B9K9.

Iceland..., not that place in Indonesia as the data haven (from the book ¨Necronomicon¨).

I wish Iceland all the best and hope that Ireland too says NO!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:54 | 811829 absinthejo
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People who leave the country buy farmlands to be self-sufficient. If you stay, be self-sufficient and/or live in a communty with rich soils. Modern agriculture has screwed that up on a large scale.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:11 | 811872 DoChenRollingBearing
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If you have enough money, you can live in the cities of countries like Peru and Argentina. Cheaper than you think, and those kinds of countries can function under turmoil, they´re used to it.  You´ll be able to eat, but keep a low profile.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:16 | 812093 romanko
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I'm staying, and I've just bought 80 acres of fertile farmland for under $2000 an acre.

I suspect many goldbugs are expecting to pick up land on the cheap when TSHTF, but will it even be for sale then? Maybe, but I’d rather have food security in place sooner than later.

 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:25 | 812288 High Plains Drifter
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80 acres at 2000 a acre?  That is pretty good.  Do you have your own well?  Also with 80 acres you can have a pretty good gun range.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 16:37 | 812323 aerojet
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How much of it is tillable?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:54 | 811831 MakeMineADouble
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Screw the Prozac, pass me the Ativan, Valium, and Xanax.  

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:08 | 811861 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:19 | 811897 Mark Medinnus
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Don't forget Vicodin.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:40 | 811976 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:54 | 811833 Racer
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Oh look here we go, more scare stories to force the sheeple under control

"white house spokesman gibbs, says Al Qaeda wants to do harm in Europe and US"

HA HA HA......

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:26 | 811917 Milton Waddams
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You are close, but more like ... no pet projects for politicians means no safety from those who hate our freedumbs.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House is pressing for passage of a $1.27 trillion year-end spending bill despite the inclusion of thousands of congressional pet projects that President Barack Obama had vowed to oppose.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters Thursday that Obama would prefer a bill without earmarks. But he said that Defense Secretary Robert Gates had told Obama that the legislation is necessary because it contains key financing for national security — including $158 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan.

Gates said he didn't like the earmarks either — particularly a new fighter jet engine that the Pentagon says it doesn't need. But Gates said that the alternative — keeping funding at current levels — is worse.

The massive bill covers federal spending until Sept. 30, 2011.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:32 | 811939 SheepDog-One
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LOL, bringing up Al CIAda to the stage again.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:55 | 811835 RobotTrader
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Tough market to short.  Gotta take your bacon right away, otherwise you will lose your profits.

Nice breadth surge today, especially on the Nasdaq.

Most of the IBD Top 100 names are up today:

http://clearstation.etrade.com/cgi-bin/bbs?post_id=9581368

The only one on the list that is getting totally destroyed is AEM.

 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:06 | 811857 SheepDog-One
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YTD gold up 24%, silver up 65%, SPX up 11%.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:23 | 811907 DoChenRollingBearing
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Uh, SheepDog, ol´buddy, ol´pal, I need just less than handful of days for the gold bears to bash the price down some more so I can buy when I get back.

So until I am back, gold sucks!  You can´t eat it!  It is in a Bearish Wedge!

Help me out here JonNadler!  Round up the usual suspects JW, TWORIVER, RobotT, Bravo et al!  Do me a favor and bring gold to $1200!  Thx!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:30 | 811930 SheepDog-One
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I didnt say you should buy it today, or sell it today, just showing gold YTD rise compared to the bulls Holy Grail equity markets.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:42 | 811991 DoChenRollingBearing
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Gotcha, but, I´m stuck in Peru a few more days.

So hit those PMs but good, gold bears.  JPM, need you more than ever.  Make it quick!  Gracias!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:31 | 811936 Spalding_Smailes
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Just don't look at the EUR/USD ....

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:19 | 811899 Bay of Pigs
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AEM is a solid gold miner that will do very well as they ramp up production with new mines.. Do you ever look into a company before spewing shit you don't know anything about? You ever consider BUYING a good stock on weakness? Of course not.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:26 | 811916 Spalding_Smailes
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AEM is down $11 in a few days ... That volume is people pouring out of that stock..... Run !!!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:52 | 812020 Bay of Pigs
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Yeah sure thing. $26 to $89 in two-three years. But you and Robot have it all figured out. And what about those who bought under $10? Sell? LMAO.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:06 | 812061 tmosley
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Just be wary of political risk, which is rising all the time these days.  One of their main operations is in Northern Mexico...

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:21 | 812445 DollarMenu
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Yes, political risk is rampant globally - or, have you not noticed?

 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:19 | 812099 romanko
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for every seller there's a buyer

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:30 | 812483 hedgeless_horseman
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A concept lost on far too many people. 

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 20:36 | 812924 Bay of Pigs
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Not Robot. He never makes a bad trade. My point is that AEM is a very good company with great prospects. He takes a 1-2 day chart, and says it's a dog. Pathetic and totally misleading.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:59 | 811844 buzzsaw99
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I'm fairly happy without the prozac. The elite can't ruin someone who is hep to their schemes.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:00 | 811845 goldmiddelfinger
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You can have the dictator I'll take Eleuthera

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:31 | 811937 H. Perowne
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Eleutheria y thanatos . . . Leo could translate, but I doubt he remembers the meaning . . . you get the gist

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:09 | 811859 Clapham Junction
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Can't any of these schmucks write an article without mentioning "physical gold."

I stopped reading after that.  Might as well be an ad for Monex.

BTW, the internet will be taxed and censored in the near future. I'm calling a top, not now for in the next 2-3 years.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:43 | 811998 BearOfNH
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I think you may have mistyped the "cnbc" web address.

In any event, I agree about the physical gold. Too many people think that owning shares of GLD qualifies as owning "physical gold". It doesn't.

As Gary North said (ca. 1980), you buy and sell paper to make paper. You buy, but don't sell gold coins to hedge against the time when paper is no good.

Monex? Personally I buy PMs OTC, with cash and never give my name. It doesn't hurt to be paranoid.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 15:09 | 812071 tmosley
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Did you get lost on your way to the CNBC forums?

Here, let me help: http://forums.cnbc.com/

You can take your Monex strawman and shove it up your ass.  There are at least a hundred thousand sources for physical gold and silver around the world.  Why do you pick the one big dishonest one?  Why isn't it an advertisement for APMEX, or tulving, or Bob's Jewelry and Coin Emporium?

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:37 | 812513 akak
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I have noticed an interesting and sudden uptick in the amount of anti-precious metals, pro-fiat, pro-establishment trolling in this forum in the last couple of weeks.  And it is funny how similar the writing styles and arguments are as well.  While I am sure that some of it is due to insecure conventional thinkers and establishment conformists who continue to see more and more signs of their beloved paper paradigm crumbling before their eyes, I also have no doubt that there is more to such trolling than that.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 20:07 | 812866 DoChenRollingBearing
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Hey until I get back to Amerika and buy some more in a few days, remember two things about gold:

1) You can´t eat it

2) It is in a Bearish Wedge

So don´t be dissin´ my Boyz at JPM if I can buy in cheaper.

Au to $0.02

Ag to $0.01

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 20:49 | 812934 akak
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DoChen, you forgot Nadler's favorite anti-gold bullet point, #3: All those mountains of scrap gold just littering the landscape far and wide.  They truly are unsightly.  Funny how they continue to just sit there, unclaimed, waiting for just the right time to all be recycled at once and knock down the price by half.  Yep, I'm forever losing sleep over that inevitable development ...

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 20:50 | 812944 Clapham Junction
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God, I love you guys.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 20:56 | 812960 akak
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Somehow, I am sensing sarcasm in that statement.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:09 | 811867 Windemup
Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:13 | 811880 Clapham Junction
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Great movie, and great score.

Saw that film when it first came out. Love the scene where Tuco shoots the guy while taking a bath.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:31 | 811929 Windemup
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Taking a bath...metaphorically...

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:10 | 811871 centerline
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Great post.  Thanks.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:12 | 811878 Teapot_Dome
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Don't worry guys, my real name is John Galt.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:12 | 811879 RingToneDeaf
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We all have a long way to go, is more appropriate.

Think of all the people who voted for Obama, except those who voted for him expecting revolution. Their journeys should be very long with deep introspection. Every judgement they have made should be revisited. Their thinking was deeply flawed to have gone to him as a saviour or for expecting real change. If it had not been for his white grandmother, who he threw under the bus, he would be checking discarded scratch tickets for winners, but I bet he can dance, smoke a cigarette with flair, and charm stupid young girls into having his demon spawn.

Yes, we all have a way to go to clean up after this orgy of greed.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:26 | 811881 hedgeless_horseman
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Tax package heads toward high stakes vote in House
 

 

WASHINGTON – The White House is pushing hard for the House to pass a tax package Thursday that would save millions of Americans thousands of dollars* in higher taxes beginning Jan. 1.  
...

 

House Democratic leaders plan to pass the bill Thursday evening. But first, they will hold a vote on imposing the higher estate tax, backed by rebellious Democrats who say the package is too generous to the wealthy(So not taking even more by double taxing the same group that already pays the vast majority off taxes is too generous?  Are not the citizens that are funding our government with the fruits of our labor the ones be generous?)  
...

 

(*)The bill's cost, $858 billion, would be added to the deficit (How does a revenue bill add to the deficit?).

 
...

 

At the insistence of Republicans, the plan includes an estate tax that would allow the first $10 million of a couple's estate to pass to heirs without (additional**) taxation.  The balance would be subject to a 35 percent tax rate.

 
 
**Estates, such as family farms, are built with AFTER tax funds.

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_tax_cuts

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 14:27 | 811921 SheepDog-One
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Saved us a ton of money apparently, as the 'revenue bill' is ONLY adding another $858 billion to the deficit! Only our illustrious parasites could design crap such as this.

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