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Mike Pento And Keith Boykin: "We Are All Greedy And Selfish"
Pento's earlier return to CNBC can only be attributed to the ratings surge resulting from the episode of him being "rude" and kicked off by Erin Burnett, after he dared to question her assumption that the world will continue to fund US debt in perpetuity. Nonetheless the tension (of somewhat ambiguous origin) between the two remains which may explain why Mike Pento appeared on the Kudlow show to discuss how Obama can satisfy Wall Street. Pento was sterling as usual, saying Obama's best bet is to convert to the tea party, but absent that he "should remove Ben Bernanke, and put the head of the Fed should be someone who is not so enamored with counterfeiting, and put someone who believes in markets. That would help to a great degree." Yet today's moment of insight comes from Keith Boykin who points out that the conflict between Wall Street and Main Street continues, in that the former couldn't care less about jobs (unlike the latter), and are much more fixated on the bottom line. Although obviously without jobs, the economy will crumble, which explains why Pento once again points out the obvious that America, to be competitive with the Chinese, should "lower taxes, lower wages, and reduce regulations" - all three of which have virtually no chance of passing in a country used to being coddled by cheap credit and ever rising wages, even if this money continues being devalued day to day. And while Boykin seems unable to grasp the concept that a bottom line has an expense component to it (i.e., cutting record bloated government spending), the line of the day goes to him: "We are all greedy and selfish." And there you have it - Americans can look at the administration for answers, at Wall Street for scapegoating, but fundamentally, when it comes down to actual change, this can only happen at the individual level. And deluding oneself and preventing any real change is what the average American individual excels in, more than anyone else in the world.
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excellent - go pento
They let Pento back on? I thought he was banned for shinning too much sunshine up some CFR girl's skirt?
only on kudlow; burnett left the building
OT liftoff in MNEAF and DE
people losing their homes need apts - see CPT breaking 48ish
Pento is a neoliberal ideologue who really has no idea what he is talking about. The problem is CNBC stacks the deck with even more idiotic personalities who can't put forth a reasoned counterargument to Pento's ignorance.
Are you a keynesian ?
Are you a moron?
answer the question fuck head.
I think you are.
Everyone, for the record "EQ" is a keynesian
Pento is filling in for Erin's stripping after hours at the CFR lounge.
My favourite CFR speech:-
"Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday. Congratulations. As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States, I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through Generaal Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today." - James L Jones, US National Security Adviser.
http://www.cfr.org/publication/18515/remarks_by_national_security_adviser_jones_at_45th_munich_conference_on_security_policy.html
So, if Jones takes his daily orders from Kissinger, Scowcroft and Berger, what exactly is Obama's role within the Big Top? Also, are Jones's words a potential admission of treason?
Great point Horatio Beanblower. I would love to see some investigative journalism done on this subject. You will never see it done through the corporate owned news media. Maybe Tyler could think about doing it. No one else can.
Imagine the world knowing who has the real power in the USA.
This sounds like a case for George Washington. George ... are you there?
"what exactly is Obama's role within the Big Top?"
Clowns are there as a distraction. You know, filling in the dead time between acts. Distracting the audience from human head that the lion's jaws just clamped down upon, and the trapeze artist who missed the net.
You get the picture.
Scumlow, will so anything to get his ratings up.
No kidding. Obviously the US should follow policies that China uses, like mercantilism. We're getting our neoliberal asses handed to us *according to Chinese government statistics* by the next mercantilist power.
Yesterday's WSJ full-page editorial gibberish was wonderful: cut taxes, no more new regulations, and get the Gold Pony to pee on us. I'd love to link to it, but... it's not visible on the wsj site.
And deluding oneself and preventing any real change is what the average American individual excels in, more than anyone else in the world.
Thus, global warming: "If it's really happening, it can't be anthro, must be natcherl. We don't ever do anything bad!"
So long as the Chinese and Arabs are willing (or forced) to take our worthless dollars for their goods and oil, we enjoy a short term benefit. When that ends, we are screwed. When and how it will end are the big questions to be answered.
what does CFR mean?
CFR: Council on Foreign Relations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations
CFR= Council On Foreign Relations
Chamberlin's friggin' ripped
ripped as in ripped pec's and muscle's, right?
Precisely: http://www.fugly.com/media/IMAGES/Babes/female-bodybuilder-back.jpg
TD, Is it possible to kill any comment with "bitchez" in it?
Bitchez, Bitchez..... ; )
mule= snitch
Mule Snatch? Better be a long, lonely winter.
Ever had your way with a cactus? Out in the west there is a strain that when properly cored, can simulate a vagina. I haven't been able to find one, but I've heard that "smoke jumpers" have been know to take the occasional liberty. Maybe a botanist can chime in here?
For children, a woman.
For pleasure, a boy.
For ecstacy, a melon.
Most cacti will not let you get past second base without a promise of marriage.
Be sure the cactus is at least 18 years old.
Wear protection.
The law west of the Pecos prohibits carnal knowledge of a cactus without a marriage certificate.
Be prepared for a shotgun wedding. Westerners do not take kindly to mistreating defenseless cactus, especially female cactus.
VI is that the truth or r u kidding? i know the plants and cactus out in the west and never heard this, cause i would be interested.
Simulate, not stimulate.
VI is that the truth or r u kidding?
Scouts honor - true. I'd give it a go, just to say I tried it.
Strangely, I don't mind Bitchez at all. I surprise myself.
Bitchez
Killin it bitchez
Mule, please kill your own comment!
silver bitchez
loving the minus . Less is good
"Bitchez" is tired.
kill any comment with "bitchez" in it?
We are all Durden's Bitchez. So adapt.
The alternatives: Living on The Street, stuck in Minyanville, or consigned to hell at Yahoo - too, too painful to consider.
"The alternatives: Living on The Street, stuck in Minyanville, or consigned to hell at Yahoo - too, too painful to consider."
Question for the ZH crew: Where do we (ZH) currently sit in the pecking order? What's the word on the ZH crew, out there? And don't respond with "who cares?" You'd be lying - we're a proud bunch. High Five.
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Nothing like begging to get "bitch" slapped...you ought to see it at least 10x more than previously...
Bitch slapping, Bitchez^10
Learn to love the word, be "one" with it, embrace it, repeat it everyday, it relieves all stress when shouted out loud with the confidence of a pimp and the flair of Rick James (bonus points if you laugh like him after saying it). Fun stuff...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GCNaCHGkvA
R O C K you b, r o c kin. dave chappell funniest fuck. rick james, i use to buy his music, bad ass mk'er bitch. do you think it makes female's as euphoric, i actually like bastard as in cheeky.
+100
Be the Bitchez!
Banned Bitchez!
Grow one Bitchez!!
Automatic 5 stars for any video with Michael Pento, Rick Santelli, or David Rosenberg.
+1..................... bitchez.
ROFL! Makes me laugh ever time I come across yet another list of emaciated, Tea Party-fashioned jingo-slingers like these clowns. But, then again, what to expect from any of the members of Zero Hedge's conservative citizens council?
Please don't stereotype us all......bitchez. : )
You'll have to unlearn some terms around here to get your junk level down.
Words that simply cannot explain the minds that express themselves here:
"Tea Party" -- at least in its modern incarnation.
"Conservative" -- Been reading "Progressives" have we?
And then, "left-wing" "right-wing" and "democrat" and "republican"
Use of these words announce to ZH that you really haven't been paying attention very well, and should really get back to your TV watching before your head explodes or you get junked off the planet.
As it should be, BTW.
Political atheism. . .bitchez.
Bernie Marcus, one of the founders of Home Depot, was on Squawk (CNBS) this morning -- he nailed it when he stated that the largest problem that small business folks have right now is the amount of Govt regulation (which of course, is only getting larger [Thanks, Obamatron and Decepticrats!]).
"Obama's best bet is to convert to the tea party"
when hell freezes over
I was hanging on to the standard society paradigm...I think this video just pushed me into the nothingness
So here goes Obama pissing on Wall St, should make for a VERY exciting series of computer algorithm generated temper tantrums in the markets this fall! Could have done with the full 3 minutes of BS before Pento came on, but he was pretty good anyway.
PS, nice mouth, Melissa Francis, stay away from hooks!
self-righteous garbadge. America is better than the rest. We can thank self-righteous BS for our modern troubles.
Care to elaborate...
Probably not.
His comment was a prime example of same.
Yup, garbadge.
Explain? What are you like 15 years old? Figure it out being honest.
You`ll have to do better than that Bud.
The original American system was the best system and proved itself so by transforming a entire continent of near empty wilderness into the most advanced and powerful nation in world history in less than 150 years. We have thrown away a lot of what made us great over the last few decades (and arguably since 1913 with the FedRes) but it doesn't change history.
you think giving our system of government sole credit for our achievements might be a little near sighted? A more accurate statement might be that we succeeded despite our system of government...
No doubt. The Gubmint needlessly sticks its nose in the housing markets via the resi mortgage biz, dislocations and folly ensue, and KA BOOM. Taxpayer ends up owning 94% of the market, and it is all shit.
Yea, but todays system has a "Destroy after use " tag
Near empty you say, Strongbad? hmm.. I recall from basic history that there were many people already living in the Americas..
Eddie Izzard makes a hilarious joke about this so-called "emptiness" found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gE7r1CknQs
Oh yeah, while we are making vague platitudes about what made the United States "great," why didn't you list any particulars? Couldn't squeeze even one into your comment? I'm very curious as to what your answer to this question might be..
Touche' Tyler. The fundamental problem has always been greed. I saw the clip live and laughed out loud at Pento. Anyone with a brain larger than a peanut had to agree, well except for Mr. Peanut hitting mulligans in Maryland.
Greed is not a problem. Everybody wants to get as much as they can for themselves and their family. That's human nature. When everybody else is looking out for number one (as is proper) you'd have to be a damned fool to not look after yourself and your loved ones.
The problem is those who do not want to earn what they get but would rather steal what they can, either by directly robbing folks at the point of a gun or by politicking for more government regulations which redistribute wealth at the the point of a gun.
Ah, but maybe some time down the line, said malefactors get found out by the able bodied hard working folks and then have a real terrible incident befall them out back of the shed one fine Saturday night.
Sounds reasonable. My only question is should one start with the politicians, the bankers or just play it by ear?
Trouble is the "able bodied hard working folks" aren't as ruthless as the psychopathic slum Lords that got us into this mess. The "folks" outnumber them, but do they have what it takes to purge the system the "Chicago Way"? 'Cause that is what it's going to take.
Atlas simply needs to shrug. I've popped him a beer and I'm waving him over.
Nice one there Crockett!
I'm thinking Atlas is not just gonna shrug, he's gonna put down the Earth and use it for a big comfy chair!
In your opinion, how many 'going Galt' would it take to bring down the system in the US? And would such a movement go viral, or would the rest of the masses loot the Gulch instead?
This may shock the hell out of you, Crockett, but I agree with every word you just said.
May be a while before I have to say that again, though.
I'm always happy to find points of agreement with folks whom I have disagreed with in other areas.
ZH is one of the only places on Earth where people who are diametrically opposed on nearly every issue are able to find an occasional piece of common ground.
wait a minute...that's what our country used to operate on
Too bad we're down to a few hundred of us sorry sons of bitches.
Remember the Spartans...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae
I clearly remember a Spartan,
Who smoked cigarettes by the carton.
With a butt in each hand,
His chest would expand,
Like the lungs on the great Dolly Parton.
So Blankfein and Schwarzman earns their millions and billions through hard work, or funny business?
What do you think?
"The problem is those who do not want to earn what they get but would rather steal what they can..."
See my post below. "Good Greed is Good."
That is of course. Greed comes with its lot of issues. Denying looks like the behaviour underlined in the video.
I noticed some strong points years back thanks to the Internet. Some people have that capacity to refer to a specific behaviour as generally shared on the humanity level.
Claiming that greed is human nature is not true. Comes very funny when one knows that the previous populations in Americas got screwed because of their frugality. US people should be aware that their history usually dismiss their cheap propaganda.
The reality is that throughout the ages, greedy people and systems built on greed have taken the upper hand on frugal people and systems built on frugality.
The economical crisis is deep but not as much as the political ideology in the US and the West. The founding fathers thought that their way of thinking would not take root immediately but install over times. They were wrong. In the US, people do not support the values they promoted.
See, Obama gave a fifth grade answer of freedom of religion so that everyone gets it. Yet polls give 60+ people disagreeing with freedom of religion.
"Claiming that greed is human nature is not true. Comes very funny when one knows that the previous populations in Americas got screwed because of their frugality. US people should be aware that their history usually dismiss their cheap propaganda.
The reality is that throughout the ages, greedy people and systems built on greed have taken the upper hand on frugal people and systems built on frugality."
+1492
Well said. Greed paradigm has, and has had, the upper hand.
Claiming that greed is human nature is not true. Comes very funny when one knows that the previous populations in Americas got screwed because of their frugality....The reality is that throughout the ages, greedy people and systems built on greed have taken the upper hand on frugal people and systems built on frugality.
That's an odd way of looking at the fact that those with more organizational or technical skill will usually produce more or fight more effectively than those with less skill. American Indians were not a bunch of hippies. In my neck of the woods the Iroquois held the Delaware in thrall.
This could be the first time I would have to disagree with you.
Greed is a problem. We do not need to subscribe this mindset.
What you describe are human behaviors that are handed down. I'm not saying we should or can live in a Utopia but we don't have to trample on each other to get ahead. I think the acceptance of that very notion is what allows the more extreme examples develop and take place.
Good observations, I think, although I think the inevitable excesses of the unambivalent embrace of greed as our most fundamental motive can--and, of course, must for this to end well--be controlled via enforcement of appropriate laws. A state of nature or market constructs that claim to operate in self-regulation as beautifully as God's cosmos just don't cut it in a real human jungle that is governed by greed.
Applied to our current situation, the fascist corporatization of our society could have been averted by countervailing values and meaningful controls on the expressions of greed. Unfortunately, greed's excesses bred a generation that embraced lying, cheating and stealing as God's way--the God of Greed, that is, pursued and fervently practiced as a State religion. Everybody went "all in."
Too bad it didn't lead us to The Promised Land.
Greed is a problem. We do not need to subscribe this mindset.
Greed is nothing more than using one's energy and talent to their fullest extent in order to fulfill one's desires in the greatest possible measure. How can that be bad? The insidious mindset which one must avoid is that in which one villainizes one's neighbor if he can marshal the productivity and frugality necessary to gather wealth unto himself. Perceived greed in another is a symptom of envy in oneself.
If greed is needed for motivation than it's a sad state of existence.
There are many things in life I work as hard as possible on and it has nothing to do with greed.
To me, greed is a sign of insecurity and the fact that the top 2% are idolized and seen as "winners" only indicates or implies decay in our humanity.
When a very small minority win the Greed game, the majority will live in poverty.
"Poverty is the worse form of violence" Buddha
How do you define "greed."
Who do you believe is "greedy."
If someone who has less than you do called you greedy or selfish, would you accept the charge?
Is it possible to be greedy for things like knowledge, life, love, experience, freedom, justice or charity? If so, is this a bad thing?
Is that black guy, Xerxes from 300? Cause he looks/sounds much like him.
For verification view the photo:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.fusedfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/300_persia_0313.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.fusedfilm.com/2009/12/frank-miller-talks-300-prequel-xerxes/&usg=__DQytAk62vmyfcFWohN21XABQ3xs=&h=460&w=670&sz=129&hl=en&start=3&zoom=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=EIpmEAY5epALMM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=138&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dxerxes%2B300%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1
Yes. Absoloutely. One and the same.
This type of female inexplicably annoyed tension between a man & a woman only occurs when a woman wants a particular man to fuck her brains out whom she either despises, or who wouldn't/won't,or would only do so just to find a way to piss her off more! lol :)
Pento FTW, as always.
what kind of woman would love to get her brains f*cked by a man she despises?
You'd be surprised. Not the kind you'd wanna f*ck though.
that Angela chick on jersey shore. Has a boyfriend that she isn't fucking even though he buys her stuff and goes on dates etc and all that other crap. The other guy calls her a trash dump and when their drunk he fucks her brains out.
As we all know, if something happens on a teevee show that means it must also happen in real life!
I junked you for watching that show.
His nickname is Irrational Man...
The kind of woman who is driven batty by her bad boy but still digs him in bed. Happens all the time.
So they take shit from the bad boy and still screw his brains out while the nice guy who would treat her like a queen and then screw her brains out sits at home eating popcorn, drinking beer and reading ZH on a Friday night.
Just sayin'.
well i thought i went for the bad boys all my life. but that was my previous life, PL before ZH. cause now i realize all my past lovers are squares. honest. well, maybe one wasn't. i have learned so much from ZH and mostly cheeky. about hooker's and whore's, and that WS men use them a lot. and you know what else, the M word. precursor now for me. i don't do nice†
i don't know about jersey shore, those people look ugly and gross. the good wife and mad men. on demand.
Curious, what do you mean M word?
Go easy dude. I'm not sure you know just what you're getting into.
http://www.funpic.hu/en.picview.php?id=35163&c=49&s=dd&p=11
We all bad boyz bitchez!
"The kind of woman who is driven batty by her bad boy but still digs him in bed. Happens all the time.
So they take shit from the bad boy and still screw his brains out while the nice guy who would treat her like a queen and then screw her brains out sits at home eating popcorn, drinking beer and reading ZH on a Friday night."
Just sayin'
And don't forget about the married guy.
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Well, I for one, hear that loud and clear Village.
But, I'm 54, so it's OK.
"what kind of woman would love to get her brains f*cked by a man she despises?"
A crazy one. One of the best rides out there, imo.
And don't ya just hate that? It never ends well.
Thank God for porn to keep our fantasies alive!
well BoB, not just porn can do it, your mind, look around.
Question: when will the average American citizen again become a humble, hard working individual ?
Answer: when the average US citizen will work in a call centre in India, understanding the difference between "emerging economy" and "saturated economy".
Probably,however does this not beg the question,will there be any affluent economies left at all or will tax havens be popping at the seams full of Billy no-mates who have just screwed everyone and can,t live anywhere else.
As George Orwell said "some people are more Greedy and Selfish than others".
goldieballs, that is my exact sentiment they need to speak for themselves thank you. see, the general American needs to be humbled and recognize what this action entails, feel it with their heart and soul and they have been touched by life itself.
The average American behaves as they do because they see behaviors such as lying, cheating, and stealing being rewarded by their leaders (in business and government.) They rightfully believe that lying, cheating, and stealing are necessary to be successful. Therefore they lie, cheat and steal.
I don't, and I despise self-deceiving comments like Pentos which promote this culture.
Lying, cheating and stealing are wrong. Get it?
that is all i have ever received from people "lie, cheat and steal", they think it is just fine to do it to me, probably cause i am solo. well, i feel sorry for them. most people can think like criminals. i don't, but i better get some tough skin pretty soon. i just had a conversation with my art gallery homey. he just had his honeymoon in mexico south of cancun. he said he wouldn't want that lifestyle or aspire to a high end wait on you hand and foot life. me neither. we both agreed we usually end up talking to the staff and they are way more interesting and become friends with the workers etc. i get along with my service helpers. like Jose the sidewalk sweeper, every friday morning at my building. now i open the door and say HI. he asked if i remember his name and i sure did. they are the only friendly people around me now.
Thats a shame kathy. What about saving some money for a move or something, maybe emigration one day? Everyone is friendly where i live, its just expected from them as an expression of decency. And when its not forthcoming, well its sad, but they only isolate themselves(it sounds like a proper fucking suburban nightmare, but having considered the alternatives, its the only way). So keep being friendly, someone will bite. And if they dont, they dont.
i would like to emigrate, but i don't know how to speak other languages. hell, i barely have english under my belt. well, keep me in mind if your ever in need of a cute midget with a big nose.
"Lying, cheating and stealing are wrong. Get it?"
I do now. The opposite could have been said for my early years. Until I figured out that power, admiration and riches can come without the consequence of lying, cheating and stealing. I have watched more than one "titan" make his way off the backs of others, and crash. The side of righteousness - and I'm not talking religion.
I don't crave these trappings, btw. And I can't say that I have them all the time.
That reminded me of an ethics class I took in college. If I were the teacher I would have failed nearly everyone. I couldn't believe how twisted people are and how little they understood ethics and morals. Perhaps it has mostly been bred out of humanity for a couple of generations...and maybe there is a reason for it to be. Or maybe it just happens every hundred years or so that people forget to be civil and ethical and that is why civilizations collapse.
I know that is simplistic and there has always been greed and lying and stealing I'm just saying maybe there is a correlation between successful, wealthy civilizations and avarice...leading to collapse.
I'm a prof. Are you ready for it? Your Ethics teacher will get in trouble if he/she fails too many people. Got your brain around that? That is the environment we are in.
I've found, in general, that Ethics classes tend to increase the individuals ability to rationalize 'bad' behavior through consequentialism. It's not evil, just a different ethical point of view.
you dont make things easy for yourself.
This is why you will never find a foundation for morality in intellectual or rational discussion. Once the straps tying a persons inhibitions are loosened they are tough to tighten. At that point it is up to the individual to define his own ethics. Many people are not up to the task.
tyler, you and pento have some fucked up ideas about what teabaggers are about... unless you're a stupid fat white man over 50, then you would fit in perfectly.... so fuck both of you cuntholes
Lew Rockwell has 5 questions for the Tea Party -
We keep hearing how voters are fed up, and how the Tea Party movement is shaking the political establishment to its core. I guess unseating 40 or so members of Congress- less than 10% of the House and Senate- represents a radical change in the national temperament. Never mind that our new politicians will quickly will be co-opted by the same establishment they claim to run against- see Scott Brown for only one recent example. I have a few simple questions for these angry voters and their favored candidates: 1) Have you consistently refused to vote for Republicans and Democrats, either by not voting or voting third party? 2) Do you advocate abolishing or drastically reducing Social Security? 3) Do you advocate abolishing or drastically reducing Medicare? 4) Do you advocate the immediate removal of U.S. military forces from foreign nations, and drastically reducing the DOD budget? 5) Do you advocate abolishing the Federal Reserve system and repealing laws that prohibit currency competition? If not, you have NO business complaining about the "state of the union." Social Security, Medicare, and DOD are the three primary causes of our national bankruptcy. The Federal Reserve is the enabler that makes deficit spending possible, creates the booms and busts, and punishes savers. Unless you oppose welfare, warfare, and fiat currency, you cannot credibly complain about the economy, federal spending and debt, or "big government."
Not one of them gets a 5 out of 5. I really liked the signs that read, "Keep your hands off my Social Security!". Lovely. Of course, they meant stop stealing from it, but the result is the same: I want my money!
That + the retards who complain about Universal Healthcare because "government will fuck it up", whilst at the same time piling praise on Medicare/Medicaid. Uh yeah, that's not a little confused at all.
People are forced to pay a tax specifically for Medicare. Do you believe that people should not expect to get what they were promised? Do you think it is fine for the government to force people to pay taxes for a specific service and then not deliver the service?
The Tea Partiers are not confused; you are.
They want the government out of their business... but scream "don't you dare touch my medicare or SS!" Sorry Crock... that's about as confused as it gets... but enjoy the 15 minutes... they're almost up.
Are you saying that the government should not live up to the promises it made to folks when it forced them to pay for these services?
Where does it end Crockett? Obviously not with you and your entitled friends. What else are you entitled to?
Where does it end Crockett?
It ends with the abolition of government and the recognition of individual sovereignty.
Obviously not with you and your entitled friends. What else are you entitled to?
As long as the governemnt forces folks to pay for medicare then those same folks are entitled to the services for which they are forced to pay. Are you suggesting that folks should be forced to pay for Medicare but should not be supplied with the promised services?
That's how it goes friend. From those who can to those who can't. We can agree on getting rid of crony capitalism.
We can agree on getting rid of crony capitalism.
How are you going to end crony capitalism when you insist on promoting the crony system itself: the government.
And am I to assume from your lack of a cogent response that you believe that folks should be forced to pay Medicare taxes but should never be given access to any actual medical services?
How are you going to have law and order without government. Smoke another fatty libertopian.
Let me claify: ABSOLUTLY.
How are you going to have law and order without government. Smoke another fatty libertopian.
Do you believe that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the banker Bailout represent law and order? Sounds like theft and murder on a grand scale to me. All brought to you courtesy of Democracy and Government.
Government is credited with maintaining law and order, but in reality it would be able to claim no such thing if the vast majority of people did not voluntarily obey the law. Individuals maintain law and order as a natural function of being decent, honest folks. When confronted with the few members of society who disregard human decency, out comes Mr. Mossberg.
But you don't have to agree with me. I am not asking you to live a free life. If you want to live under the thumb of government, be my guest. But you won't stop there. You insist that I must be a part of your system. Screw that.
Let me claify: ABSOLUTLY.
That's still somewhat unresponsive. Please state clearly that you believe that people should pay taxes but should receive no services. Then explain why that is not a powerful disincentive for going along with what you consider to be the role of government. Do really believe that people benefit by being forced to pay for services which they will never receive? How exactly does that work?
Just because our government is bad does not mean all governments are bad.
People who are productive and can contribute generally don't get a fair return on services from their government. Why do you think they should?
My position is clear, yours is not. Please state plainly that you believe that the government should promise medical services to citizens, that it should tax citizens for those services, that it should prosecute and imprison those who fail to pay those taxes but no such services should ever be provided.
Then explain why that helps people.
How many people do you know who are on medicare? Are they NOT being helped? Time to move out of Mommy's basement kido.
Anyone who resorts to posting such an original comment would be far better off simply waving a white flag.
Are you backing away from your statement above that you "ABSOLUTLY" believe that taxpayers should be denied Medicare benefits? I hope so, otherwise I was afraid that I'd see you creeping on down to the personal care home and pulling the plug on all the old folks in comas who have the temerity to no longer pay taxes.
I have yet to change positions. You keep spinning. None of your comments have any basis in reality or fact. Just bullshit shot from the hip.
Are you backing away from your statement above that you "ABSOLUTLY" believe that taxpayers should be denied Medicare benefits?
The reality is that some people do not get Medicare, that is the same as saying the tax payers should be denied medicare. I don't have Medicare and I don't lose sleep over it. Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?