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Minnesota Joins New Jersey In Insolvency, Shuts Down, Harbinger Of Debt Ceiling Negotiation Outcome?
Two down. 48 to go until Meredith Whitney is proven correct beyond a reasonable doubt. After New Jersey was forced to reach out to JP Morgan for an emergency bridge loan a few days ago, it is Minnesota's turn. From ABC: "Minnesota's government has shut down, ahead of the holiday weekend, for the second time in six years after state leaders failed to find common ground on resolving a $5 billion budget deficit. Thousands of state workers will be laid off, state parks will be shuttered, the issuance of fishing licenses will be halted and the Minneapolis zoo will be closed. Road projects will also grind to a standstill just as people hit the road for the holiday. A midnight deadline passed without an agreement as talks between Democratic Gov. Mark Dayton and top Republicans unraveled over Dayton's proposal to impose taxes on the state's top earners, a move on which top GOP officials have refused to budge...Some programs that will continue unabated include critical services including the State Patrol, prisons, disaster response and federally funded health, welfare and food stamp programs." Granted this is not a first: "Only four other states -- Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Tennessee -- have had shutdowns in the past decade, some lasting mere hours. Minnesota's government partially shut down under then-Gov. Tim Pawlenty in 2005 over a budget fallout." However, if NJ is any indication, as predicted, expect ever more states to bypass the municipal route of funding, and appeal directly to commercial banks. Which will generously provide as much Fed-generated one and zeros...in exchange for 80% LTV collateral of course.
More:
A midnight deadline passed without an agreement as talks between Democratic Gov. Mark Dayton and top Republicans unraveled over Dayton's proposal to impose taxes on the state's top earners, a move on which top GOP officials have refused to budge.
"It's significant that this shutdown will begin on the Fourth of July weekend," Dayton said in a news conference late Thursday night. "On that date we celebrate our independence. It also reminds us there are causes and struggles worth fighting for."
Dayton said he has been clear with state GOP leaders for several months that that he is unwilling to agree on anything other than a total budget approach.
GOP leaders said the two sides were closer than Dayton is leading on, and have criticized his refusal to call a special session to pass a "lights on" budget bill, which would maintain safety funding at current levels to keep government running. GOP leaders have said that the bill is a two-page document that is ready to be passed, according to Minneapolis- St. Paul ABC News affiliate KSTP.
"I think the governor's insistence that we pass a full budget is not going to be of much comfort to Minnesotans who are going to see delays on the highways because construction projects stop," Senate Majority Leader Amy Koch said. "It's not going to comfort people who can't use our state parks, or who can't get a driver's license."
If the Minnesota impasse is any indication of the future of the debt ceiling debate, in which republican don't actually fold like a cheap suit, get your VIX, MOVE and popcorn calls ready in late July.
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Government shutdown will probably save the state some money. My heart goes out to all the 612ers who won't get to go to a state park on the fourth, and all of the parasitic business that make their living on the tourism from those parks.
Parasitic business? That is such a ridiculous statement. Considering the consumers that purchase from those business do so voluntarily, and WANT to purchase the goods, that is a complete and total nonsensical argument.
You might as well call ALL business parasitic at this point. Hell all trade and barter must be parasitic then.
The fact that people WANT to go camping and engage in business transactions but cannot because the government won't let them use "state" property (what happened to it being owned by public?) is the part that is ridiculous. Just because they close down doesn't mean that the parks should "close."
Do you hail from the 612 area code?
No
I was trolling, I'd like to be doing that in a boat, but since the government shut down, I have to do it here instead.
What's the deal in Minnesota? Here in the East, it's known as a liberal state, but one that's well-run (sort of Hubert Humphrey tradition), lacking in the Mass./N.J./R.I./N.Y./Md./Pa.-style corruption. Is that still accurate? How's the economy doing out there? I know that some quality companies like General Mills and 3M are based there....
Target, Best Buy, Super Valu, and Mayo as well.
It all went down hill after the wrestler was elected.
No, Jesse V. was fine. The cruel joke is that comedian they elected to play US senator.
"...elected to play US Representative."
She is indeed a clown. Fixed it for ya.
LOL! Ob*ma's cock boys are here.
Jesse was not fine.. Dropped car tab costs and then voted like a fricking money drunk lib for four years..
Nah, Jesse was the best option between Skippy and northeast slimeball. Not saying much but still. He certainly is better than uber loser Pawlenty and nutjob Dayton.
Jesse rocked.
The wrestler did a good job. Republicans and Democrats linked arms and agreed on everything to eliminate the viable threat of a third party, then continued on their partisan ways.
Once in charge, T-Paw accounting shifted the state into bankruptcy, that is the State governor way to print money. Every position he took was calculated to appeal on a national basis gearing up for his presidential run.
I think it is funny that the Republicans who are so set on not spending are the ones crying that a lights on bill was not passed. I don't agree with everything Dayton is doing, but he is actually managing the state and we haven't seen that in a while.
You best get the boys i nred to smack your head against the wall, "managing" the state are you serious?
yes
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612 fools.. Wait till Dayton gets scared and runs away like he did as a Senator maybe he can "manage" somewhere else..
MNs strength was always it's natural resources, while we weren't Venesula with oil, we had trees, fertile land, and iron ore. It was easy for the socialism here because they could take the wealth out of the ground.
Today, instead of extracting wealth (they can't because it's scarce), they tax it from workers to give to farmers to grow corn which is further subsidesed and made into ethanol, Shelly Bachmann style.
I suspect that the Federal subsidies for ethanhol are net gain for Minnessota, so you should probably consider puckering up and kissing Shelly Bachmann's ass for buying you're dying Parasitic-Industrial complex a little more time.
It's a net gain for the socialist farmers and Shelly supporters, but not for MN.
"All the women are strong, all the men are good looking, and all the children are above average."
-GK
"Where the introverts stare at their shoes, and the extroverts stare at your shoes."
- Tim Bedore
GK is the most pretentious smarmy guy on the radio. None of his stuff is funny. The twits laugh because they think that makes them cultured and smart.
Pretentious, smarmy, democrats that think they are cultured and smart? In Minnesota?
Maybe people like him because he is one of the most handsome people on the radio.
State is full of them sooner or later we will push them into Iowa or WI.
I beg to disagree. A Young Lutheran's Guide to the Orchestra is actually pretty funny.
Uh-huh. Most of those companies have outsourced or moved. It is fair to describe the businesses there as 'parasitic' since most of those still in the state only remain for the priveleged concessions the state has made to keep from losing all private employers. Especially if those employers have the requisiste political access to the union machine. My guess is the public employees will win this one and those not 'Willing To Pay For A Better Minnesota' will continue to file out the state.
Blah Blah Blah. Good riddance. Take Shelly and the socialist farmers with you.
Sorry Comrade. Regular programming will resume now:
WILL YOU LICK BOOTS FOR PAUL WELLSTONE? STAND UP AND SAY YES!!
Obviously, Wisconsin isn't a huge destination for Minn. migrants. Where do they go? Iowa?-- I have an Iowan friend, she's always raving about how solid the Iowa economy is. Or Florida, Texas, those other semi-tropical states?
It is filled with islamic Somalis now. They also elected Al Franken or he actually stole the recount. looks like the Repubs in MN have some stones.
I would like to troll you down Hennepin perhaps with a #10 treble hook.. I just hope no one phones in a rabid bunny rabbit warning as Dayton will pack up, close his office and run away.. When do you think Mr. Dayton will move his assets instate so he can be taxed properly? statists in MN even though heavily enabled by our sycophant media will not be able to turn this debate no matter how many sob stories they self generate. Dayton threw Bre'r rabbit in the briar patch on this one.. He will regret this when he loses the messaging war.. So you know the Republicans offered to raise the budget in this Biennial budget, Dayton will not budge too bad, so sad. We will see if $34 billion is big enough for 5 million people..
Dayton wants to balance the budget and the others (like Pawlenty) want to kick the can.
It's that simple.
You guys need to take a page out of our (Illinois) playbook, and pass a budget that's bigger than you can afford, then just drag your feet on paying your bills and run up a multi-billion dollar backlog. Then, shove a huge tax increase down everyone's throat, only to discover you still don't have enough money to pay your bills.
Illinois, a shining example for all to follow (off a cliff).
Bullshit your a liar.. it is balanced as it sits, he will not sign it..
You mean "You're."
Kick. The. Can.
Wow, thanks for the grammar lesson, what a mensch.. Now if you could move onto typing lessons. Pan your wrong and you know it, but if I am wrong lets agree on a solution all Minnesotans can agree upon. Our budget moving forward is the last two years actual state revenue we borrow not a penny..
How is that sport, no more can kicking starting right now..
Accounting tricks and kicking the can make it look like you're balancing, but you're not.
Gee Pan like every time I rub your nose in it you forget to answer the question.. Lets stop kicking the can see the post above... But you don't like that do you, Holy Government would stop growing.. You want that can kicked, you need that can kicked dont you..
He is the can.
That's fine, can we agree that if revenue falls short then we raise taxes? Didn't think so.
Is this POS Dayton still a shareholder in Target? Target was created out of the old Dayton Hudson.
Yes, he is very wealthy and he holds his wealth in out of state trusts that are not taxed in MN.. POS hypocrite, standard MN liberal just like Pan above...
Just another 612er upset because the Republican short term lights on farce didn't pass and he had to change his plans and stay home.
Ontario will there soon.
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Why are they locking out the public from the parks?
It is the old (closing the) statue of liberty play.
No one to monitor campgrounds. A judge is determining what are concidered essential services.
Already got the channel set and the snacks ready! Anybody who thinks the Publicons are not "serious" about tax cuts for the rich and austerity for everybody else must have been asleep for the past 10 years. "Privatization" will be the name of the game from here on out . . . sound familiar?
LOL, people actually STILL believe its a 'demican republicrat' game....so cute. No wonder the world banksters who own them all have such an easy time plundering.
Well SD1, if that duality split worked so well, imagine a hydra headed colossus like the Church.... and people go on believing in divisions and separations and fight about things that hardly matter with words that need not be said...
All our institutions are vehicles of divisiveness. ALL.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/desiderata/
Real deep man. I dig it.
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Things must have gotten boring over at MoveOn.org, huh...Bob?
They've all got their heads up their asses trying to find The One they thought they voted for!
Uh huh, because the demoncrats are so much better. Keep flinging that partisan poo around.
Perhaps you should take your fight to Tyler then . . . my comment was in direct reply to his own reference to the illusory two-party drama. See above.
How the Bankers Own the World and then Some...
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It's a libertarian dream; no burdensome Orwellian government out there staffing state parks or repairing roads. Now if they just stop food inspections and public health vaccinations we will finally be free.
Mmmm yea yummy mercury and monkey puss vaccinations, and all for FREE? Wow we live in Nirvana!
Enjoy your e coli salad with a side of whooping cough.
If you knew who you bought your food from, wouldn't be a concern!
...or grow your own, food that is.
It might be reasonable for people to grow some to supplement what they eat, but i'm not going to advocate that everyone should quit doing what they do to become a full time farmer / homesteader.
Although, I am putting myself in a position that I will be doing just that.
I advocate getting 90%+ of one's food from within 50 miles, and 10%+ from within 500 yards.
It is doable. Our family has exceeded these goals for each of the past three years.
A typical carrot has to travel 1838 miles to reach your dinner table. Mine travel less than 100 yards, and they taste better.
Take a look at Square Foot Gardening by Mel Barthalomew.
The EU has the tightest food code regulation and just had an outbreak of e-coli which they cannot even find the source. How does that mesh with your fascist ideology?
How many outbreaks does food inspection prevent? If you think it's fascist that you don't have to fear getting polio you should live in an iron lung.
Have you ever worked in the food industry or in the government related to food safety? I have. I'll answer your first question. Zero. Which is the same number of successful responses to food outbreaks. What the government has been successful at is throwing away good produce to make it look like they are doing something. A couple of examples, the last spinach contamination they threw a huge amount away, and it turned out that all of the contaminated spinach had already been consumed and the stuff they threw away was good. Oh, but better safe than sorry, right? No, better nothing at all than horribly inefficient big government control. How about the cookie dough contamination? There was a lot of solid proof (checked sick people's dough, checked saved samples of lots, all negative) that it wasn't contaminated and there was ridiculous proof (two sick people mentioned eating raw cookie dough) that there was. Didn't matter. We have to look like we are doing something so throw the cookie dough out. But don't let these facts get in the way. You love serfdom so much have at it.
Using polio as example of good government is stupid. Vaccines were originally developed without government help and there is no reason why vaccines can't be a matter of personal choice and bought privately. Or are you saying that we wouldn't be able to get vaccines without big government? If you are, then, well, that has already been proven.
Excellent, another moron dispatched!
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I was involved in perishable commodities from about 1970 to 1981 or so. As for fresh fruits and vegetables, the Federal Government only inspected when a financially interested party paid the fee for the inspection, or when making purchases for the government, such as for the Army. I had limited experience with meat, but my understanding was the USDA inspectors on site were paid for by the meat packers themselves.
Government, by helping the big corporations get bigger and stopping small operators from competing, cause these giant outbreaks. If you had ten thousand meat packers distributing hamburger, and one ends up with e coli, much smaller effect on the public. With three or four giant meat packers, the outbreaks are gigantic with many victims.
Speaking of regulation in generalizations is stupid. What's it with people's short-term memory apparently consisting of one singel cell?
Current safety regulation stuff does probably prevent a lot of things...... and at the same time incredibly little, relative to the involved buerocracy, costs and unnecessary complications. (And yes, i've had the "pleasure" to see regulators in action (though, not food related). Some of the stuff they complained about made sense, other stuff was incredibly stupid and just "the rules for the sake of the rules, even if it's counterproductive to the goal")
How you do stuff matters. As it is now, we have shitty regulation, shitty capitalism, shitty communism, shitty libertarianism/individualism, shitty fascism/collectivism and on top of that shitty socialism.....
It's actually like heaven for ideologues...... everyone can argue against everything, because everything is crap.... just make sure to immunise your choosen ideology, by appealing to "my team has never ever truly been implemented".
This is the best, most succinct summary of our plight that I have ever read.
Theres no e coli in my garden.
E. coli normally lives inside your intestines, where it helps your body break down and digest the food you eat. If there is manure, then there is probably E. coli in your garden. However, it is mostly the harmless strains, and you wash your vegetables before eating them.
Depends. If you're applying straight manure thats reasonable, however manure used in compost has significantly less ecoli (the bad kind) and alot of other pathogens in general.
Washing your vegetables won't prevent ecoli (sickness) if the vegetables were grown with pathogens in the soil.
Washing does prevent E. Coli illness. The high bacteria count is from the manure residue on the surface of the vegetable, such as a spinach leaf, not inside them.
Right they save me from that on a daily basis.. I know the county food inspectors, they stamp meat.. This is not " The Jungle" those days are over but in your fevered imagination all business is out to lower quality and force people to buy their products. Oh wait, thats Government, D or R, no matter..
Indeed. Incidentally, do you have the figures showing what percentage of the state budget is spent on parks, road resurfacing, food inspections, and public health vaccinations? It would be interesting to see if those items are the primary burdens, or if you're just a damned strawman-slaying idiot.
Buying into your special brand of bullshit encourages more useless state officials and "leaders" to lay off people performing actual services first, purely as a scare tactic, instead of getting rid of the bloated middle-management bureaucracy.
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The guy is too braindead to understand how badly you just destroyed his pathetic trolling.
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Just like Oblahblah (Richard) and his think of the children!
Well said. +1
Just like at the local level - whenever school funding needs to get cut it's always "The Band" or "The Volleyball Team" and never "The Deputy Assistant 3rd-Grade Curriculum Coordinator".
Exactly.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Exact-o-mundo.
Came back to say, Exactly.
From a local (former) newspaper:
Andreal Davis is the assistant director for equity and family involvement for the Madison Metropolitan School District.
"My division is comprised of nine people. We have instructional resource teachers for Latino family involvement and Hmong community liaison work, Indian education (funded through federal money), two teachers for cultural relevance as well as four minority service coordinators stationed at our four traditional high schools. Our work spans issues of equity, of cultural relevance and family involvement."
disclosure: Wi still owes Mn millions !
And Special Ed.
Note how predators go for the weak and defenseless.
I'll take freedom. You can move to Venezuela.
They've been doing amazing lately with their 20+% inflation.
But they raise the minimum wage every year so the little guy can have more of continually becoming worthless money.
The Democrats absolutely refuse to cut spending. Take a look at NJ. The Democrats immediately spend any additional revenue as soon as it comes in.
Completely false. In this case, the republican controlled senate and house won't allow tax increases.
Ummmm....You just proved my point. The Democrats refuse to cut spending and demand more of someone else's money.
We tax successful individuals and business, they stare in wonder when no jobs materialize.
You deserve to have your job outsourced to China.
Help me understand. Have we not for the last 20 years or so taxed the rich less, but still have high unemployment? I'm confused.
GE pays no taxes at all and just look at all the jobs they created in the last decade in America. lulz.
No corporations pay taxes; you do it for them. Well done and congrats.
All US c-corps pay a double tax. First for the corp, then the shareholders.
BS! most US corps have legions of people working to ensure they pay little to no taxes. direct and indirect lobbying of Congress, complicated foreign subsidiary structures and transfer pricing arrangements, complicated inter-company lending arrangements, etc.
As a shareholder of a corporation I guess individual limitations on political donations don't apply to me since I am PART of the corporation. As a shareholder you are not part of the corporation (unless you are an excecutive or on the board of directors), you are the victim of the stock market ponzi scheme.
Been trying to explain this forever.
Taxes do harm business/corporations however. While they may not pay them (by passing them on), eventually the prices of goods will reduce the number of consumers (unless they can out innovate costs to tax increases) to the point where they no longer are profitable.
Its fact that taxes hurts everyone but government. Really that simple.
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GE will continue to pay no taxes under Democrats or Republicans, with or without tax increases. The tax code is designed to protect corporations like GE from competition. You know, the little guy. The guy you're supposedly pulling for. Funny how your results are always the opposite. Almost like you're full of it or something.
The "rich" you have a problem with are Wall Street criminals. Instead of the class warfare bullshit, you should be demanding criminal prosecutions for rich people who have committed felonies.
The tax and regulation burden on entrepreneurs has never been higher. We want to encourge peope to start business and create jobs. That's why this country was successful at one point.
Concentrate on rich criminals, not rich success stories.
That's bullshit. This country has always been successful because of bubbles caused by huge amounts of natural resources, from beaverhats, to iron, to forests, to fertile land. Now that resources are scarce or cheaper elsewhere the economy is faltering. Nice try though.
People like you are destroying this country. You sicken and sadden me at the same time. You refuse to allow this country to compete on the world's stage. You refuse to fix the failing education system. And you refuse to cut the government down to a manageable size.
You deserve to have your children's future shipped to China. They deserve it more than you do. Enjoy the foodstamps.
I wan't to hear what your model for education is. Please elaborate.
Eastern European children start school two years later than ours. And by the age of 17 they are vastly more educated than ours. Also...US undergraduate degrees mean nothing on the world stage. It is our graduate degrees that are coveted, and that is because they are subsidized by major US corporations and tailored for employment with such, world-wide.
That's great - we can setup our education system like eastern Europe. Please tell me more details. Are they private schools? Do their teachers work for they state? Do they have pensions? Do they pray to God every morning right after they salute the flag? I'm curious...
Eastern Europe is included in the emerging markets aren't they? (sarcasm) Perhaps if you have any children you can send them to Eastern Europe to have them educated. Any day now, those countries will rise up and become super powers.
This is a misleading statement. Subtract out blacks and hispanics and you find what remains are among the top performers in the world.
Refuse to allow this country to compete on the world's stage? I believe it's being relegated to the developing world's slums that most Americans object to "competing" on.
So hard to understand?
"Refuse to allow this country to compete on the world's stage." Sorry Corn, but in order to compete, one has to be willing to compete. American workers, when compared to other countries, are paid more per hour than they are paid per day. Exactly how are companies supposed to compete when foreign competitors can produce the exact same item, package it, ship it to the US and have a item cost that is still 50% of the same item made here? The US has massive regulation that drives up the cost of everything while foreign counties have little or no regulation. We are at a competitive disadvantage and labor makes up more than 50% of the cost of anything produced in the states.
"You refuse to fix the failing education system." Maybe where you are, but here in small town america there is still pride in education and the only problems we have are with having to retain shoddy teachers because of union rules that prohibt firing them. Parents still get involved (not all, but enough) in education in small towns. Of course if you are invoking higher education then it's cost (which leaves people owing hundreds of thousand of dollars for that BA or BS) and tenure which again, prohibits "educators" from being fired.
"You refuse to cut the government down to a manageable size". And that would include cuts where exactly? Mandatory spending was 2.1 of the 2.2 Trillion in revenue for the last year. Discretionary spending was the other 1.6 Trillion. And Defense spending is a "discretionary" spending item (600 billion worth)
Our children deserve a future without a debt that saddles them with $47,000 the moment they are born and adds 4,000 dollars a year to that total. But spending cuts alone are not going to slow this monster down (notice I said slow down, not reverse it). You could raise taxes by 30% and cut spending by 30% and you would get close to "balancing the budget"
Is this a joke?
there's nothing wrong with our education system.
There is something wrong with a large percentage of our students. If you subtract out a couple of demographics, you find a school system working just fine for the remainder (a majority)
Forests continue to grow, and farmland remains fertile if it is managed well. We have the resources to be well-fed and happy. It is Power that brings scarcity.
The problem with prosecutions may be that the "rich" aren't pushing for them. If they want to distinguish themselves from the real criminals, it's time for them to start screaming the right thing.
Alot of people are into the envy game when it comes to entrepreneurs. The banksters and there fellow travelers (can you guys at Fannie Mae here me) should be prosecuted. That having been said, what this country needs is thousands mor Steve Jobs and Bill Gates to battle it out. They pay their fair share by employing people...who then pay taxwes from real production.
Yes and there are more cellphones then there were 20 years ago, so clearly we can conclude high cell phone use = high unemployment. Idiot.
actually your cell phone v unemployment is probably true.
try thinking just a little next time.
Try going to school so you can learn the difference between correlation and causation.
We had an unemployment avg of 5% under Bush. Obama's avg is over 9%. If we use real number closer to 15%. And no I did not love Bush. 2006 Dem Congress fvvkked things up.
Looks like the Ob*ma c*ck boys have shown up this morning here.
The democrats in this case are going along with cuts. It's been shown that the wealthy don't spend money and that Reaganomics is a farce, and in any case small business cant afford health insurance for their employees. If you were born on 3rd and thought you hit a home run, congratulations.
You are wrong corn dog, Democrats are willing to cut spending. Typical Republican lie!!! This is Pawlenty's deficit. He kicked the can down the road and then quit before it would hurt his hope of being president.
So what spending cuts are being proposed, and how do they affect the deficit? I would truly like to know and my Google Fu is weak.
None he is lying the budget was increased 4 billion. Dayto is holding it up as he does not wan tthe tort reform and no new taxes.. Refute that liar, 4 BILLION INCREASE!!
YES! Democrats cut. They are willing to cut. The unions are always willing to lay off or reduce programs as long as the net spending increases. PAY MORE FOR EVEN LESS could be the DNC motto.
Your not too bright or a liar.. Since 1961 except for one year, our biannual budget increases in MN have been 20%, check the figures, I'll wait.
We have like all of Government a spending problem. I run into people every day from Detroit or Chicago who come to MN for the social bennies..
Ahhh... but you're paying attention to the prices... not the services... You're one of those rabid radical right wingers who thinks because they're paying more, they should get more.
Yes, I've known people who've moved to Michigan for the no-income medical benefits to get one procedure done, and then moved to Washington state in order to take advantage of the no-income medical programs to get a different procedure done not covered by Michigan. But I'm told that this has nothing to do with the cost of health care.
Ha, nice sarcasm.. Liberals hate sarcasm..
The Republicans can't win this fight. The Democrat strategy of class warfare is too effective. Human beings love to place blame on anyone but themselves.
Au contrare--they win until they don't. Look at Greece.
All the maggot's wildest dreams are coming true. Thanks Owebama.
Gee I really dont see what the problem is, cant they just hand over more free money blank checks? It works SO well and all.
Or kick the can down the road another 8 years like they did under Pawlenty...
No more can kicking, the New World Order is right at the door. Dont get sucked into the politics puppet show, the die is cast.
Great opportunity for Minnesota- why do they need a government anyway? People might like the shutdown so much, they decide to extend it to all aspects of government- even the police power.
Go Gophers!
Oh no. I cant buy a fishing license? Maybe it doesnt matter since there wont be any DNA guys out checking for em.
My guess hardly anyone will notice this shutdown except slugs.
Actually, the DNR conservation officers will be working.
And if you are flying down the freeway at 70 and smash your axle on a giant pothole you will taste the freedom.
Yes, because ONLY government can repair roads and they do it so quickly! Since government is so good at everything, we should put them in control of EVERYTHING. Why grow food if the government will do it better? Why produce goods, the government is much preferred.
Only the government is capable of providing "public goods", because it is staffed with "people". People who are somehow different from civilian people. They're super humans.
Get out there with your road grader and fix the freeway, libertarian dude. No one is stopping you. Of course, you won't be paid. That's too oppressive.
Aw, can't address the deficit in your argument? What's the matter? Lost the ability to think for yourself slave?
Got my IH clamshell, Kubota track-hoe and other equipment from my farm ready to go. Get me the permits tpo fix ANY road - will do it quicker than any of these union drios that DO NOT own their own equipment, State facists that bought their equipment off the backs of others, etc.
Go in ITG, get me my clearances, I'll take 1/3 of what the state pays the current goons...
And when your slipshod repair fails and causes an accident involving injuries, I'm sure you've got millions in coverage to address the inevitable lawsuits?
Tort reform now !
Yeah, cause we all know the government doesn't oversee shoddy repairs. I mean, just look at Pennsylvania. Oh wait, they did okay shoddy repairs on a massive scale due to the inherent corruption of central control. Gee, you oligarch lapdogs need to go back to your superiors for better arguments.
See also Boston Mass.'s "Big Dig"
[And when your slipshod repair fails and causes an accident...]---weinerdog43
Oh yes, I'm sure he would purposely jeopardize his business income, his home, food for his family, property, and his reputation for what you assume.
By your logic, only government work is trustworthy. It that what you're hanging your hat on? The government? Good luck with that.
I'll hang my hat on the American spirit.
[Get me the permits tpo fix ANY road - will do it quicker than any of these union drios...]---Sophist Economicus
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THAT's the spirit! That's what I'm talkin' 'bout---the American spirit.
"I'll do it. Give me an opportunity. Any opportunity. I'll do the job. Will do it better, faster, and cheaper."
(Government is the problem, not the solution.)
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