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A Modest Counter-Proposal

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A prominent financial professional who wishes to remain anonymous submits the following:

What happened today? The stock market cratered because Obama, like Louis in Casablanca, just discovered that there’s gambling going on in the back room.

Recently there’s been a lot of speculation that the Federal Reserve or the Treasury was the sole buyer of S&P 500 futures thereby boosting the market since March. Imagine a scenario where someone at the Obama administration just discovered after checking that it wasn’t the Fed doing the buying, rather an “informal” group of the top dogs at the prop trading desks at the top three brokerage firms were going long stock futures and short fed funds.

That would explain Obama’s pissed off news conference.

That would also explain why stocks sold off. Imagine what will happen if indeed the buyer were the prop trading desks particularly since leverage works both ways, the good and bad.

If correct, Obama's rhetoric will indeed be much more than mere posturing, and the duel between D.C. and Wall Street should provide for a memorable spectacle for months; alternatively we hear the bulk of AIG folk who were supposed to refund their taxes from last year's March witch hunts still have not done so. Or, much simpler, Perhaps Obama is just worried that American Idol is slipping in its ratings.




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Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:24 | Link to Comment Missing_Link
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Time to load up on ultra-short financial ETFs (FAS and SKF)?

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:32 | Link to Comment ChickenTeriyakiBoy
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um maybe but make sure you type in "faz" if you're trying to do that. then again, 50/50 odds that "fas" will work out just as well. good luck

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:38 | Link to Comment Missing_Link
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Oh, crap!

Yeah  ...  good call, Chicken.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:44 | Link to Comment DZ-015
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Careful with those levered ETF's. Sufficient volatility can kill you position even if the market goes your way.  For a bearish position short FAS (or short FAZ for a bullish) so you will pick up the gains on the volatility decay.  Think of it as betting with the house (Direxion).  Take a look at a long term chart of these levered ETF pairs over the long term (or just do the math in your head) and you'll see exactly what I mean.   

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:59 | Link to Comment calltoaccount
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Why Short Sector ETFs Aren't So Smart

 

Inherent daily reverse compounding risk. Look at both SRS [the 2 for 1 short] & URE [the 2 for 1 long] over any intermediate period of time.  They are both down extraordinarily.  Regardless of whether commercial real estate goes up or down, shouldn't one of these ETF's be moving in the opposite direction of the other?  It has hardly been the case. For the why, see: 

 

http://www.thestreet.com/print/story/10454678.html

 

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:16 | Link to Comment Missing_Link
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I appreciate the lectures re: leveraged ETFs.

calltoaccount: Leveraged ETFs are intended to be short-term speculators' tools, not long-term trading tools.  Everyone should know by now that they are not intended to be held more than a few days.

It states very clearly in the Prospectus for all of these ETFs that they are short-term trading vehicles and should NOT be considered "buy and hold" investment vehicles.

Rest assured I was not being serious about buying SKF and FAZ.  I don't actually trade; I have algorithms that do it for me, and they seldom stay in inverse ETFs for more than a day.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 00:49 | Link to Comment Dr o love
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You didn't read DZ's post very well.  He stated, accurately, that the "can't lose" long term strategy is to short the double/trible ETFs so that you gain no matter what the underlying does due to the immense slippage.

You profit from mathamatically guaranteed slippage.  I've thought about shorting both the long and short ETFs (e.g. SRS and URE) but have opted to short URE only.  Long term both shorts should be profitable and will be penny stocks.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:37 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:52 | Link to Comment ChickenTeriyakiBoy
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hey guys, thanks for the heads up!!

maybe you missed last week's posts...in case you did...

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/why-big-trade-2010-will-be-30-year-trea...

and

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-tbts-decaylicious-existences...

 

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 22:03 | Link to Comment Dirtt
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This is so funny.  I made a mistake than that.  How about closing out of FAZ but in err doubling the position.  Doh!

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Handle with care
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The REITS have been on incredible tear and are trading at stratospheric levels compared to any reasonable view of their future earning power and asset value.

 

If the artificial prop (no pun intended) is taken away they could fall a long long way.  SRS and DRV could be good buys

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:45 | Link to Comment waterdog
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Be real careful with SKF. I've been trying to make money off of it since June. It moves in very strange ways. Do not buy it if it is above $22.15. Do not hold it longer than 3 days. Once upon a time it always moved opposite the S&P. Not since about October. It jumps big and falls big. Take your eyes off of it and you lose.

 

 

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:19 | Link to Comment Missing_Link
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Do not buy it if it is above $22.15.

Not so sure about that.  Anyone following that rule would have missed a lot of the best trades on SKF in the past.  Besides, the decay inherent in leveraged ETFs makes absolute price point references worthless.

Take your eyes off of it and you lose.

I don't use my eyes to trade.  I use my algorithms.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:26 | Link to Comment andrew123
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Why would this explain Obama's rhetoric?  If anything, I would think it would be the opposite (ie., he knows that the market, and his presidency, are dependent upon the goodwill of the trading desks).  It woud explain an escalation of rhetoric if the market continues to tank.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 23:58 | Link to Comment Carl Marks
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Obama is a stooge. The illuminati don't even clue him in anymore.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 09:11 | Link to Comment blindfaith
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anybody remember the Soprano's series where the preacher was 'supposedly' on the side of the demonstrators, only to have them ambushed and clubbed by the mob? And, there is Tony meeting the preacher on a dark street giving the preacher his cut for all his help. Life imitates art?

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:32 | Link to Comment Gold...Bitches
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If it continues to tank it matters not one whit what he says or does.  He's toast.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:14 | Link to Comment Rainman
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First Dude got conned. Plain and simple. He's a campaigner and community organizer. Like....thinking he's a fukkin' Einstein about finance is a long-legged stretch.

Working  the inexperienced, arrogant, greedy and street-stupid pols is a K-Street specialty.

Street guys would clean out this mess in a New York minute.   

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:35 | Link to Comment Robb
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possible

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:41 | Link to Comment Unscarred
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Talk about one hell of a hedge...  So now Obama & Co. need to worry about China and Wall Street bankers unloading assets and bursting the Bernanke bubble.  Ain't that a bitch!

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:48 | Link to Comment Bob
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A whole hell of a lot of high banksters would have to not only lose their money but start rotting in jail to get the stink off him.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:45 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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Parhaps Obama has visions of JFK back and left shots and is worried about his family - the next American president should be a single man who can take on these criminals

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:59 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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It's depressing when suicidal is the most valuable trait in a president.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:26 | Link to Comment MyKillK
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How many single men have ever been elected to the presidency?

I would be surprised if there was even one.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:36 | Link to Comment mikla
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James Buchanan Jr. (serving 1857–1861) was single (never married, engaged in 1819, fiance died).

Grover Cleveland (serving 1885–1889 and 1893–1897) was single when elected, and married while in office.

 

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:36 | Link to Comment MyKillK
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I applaud your rapid research ;)

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 23:25 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Don't forget Andrew Jackson was widowed literally weeks before taking office.  He had a son, adopted.

Though I doubt that is what gave him the balls to take on the central bank, that dude used to duel and attack dudes with his cane before becoming President.  He was one tough son of a bitch.

That's why I think a guy like walstreetpro2 would be a great president.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 23:53 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 01/22/2010 - 00:42 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 01/21/2010 - 22:48 | Link to Comment Gold...Bitches
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Wont happen.  If anyone seriously tries as a single person you know the other side will leak the innuendo of them being gay.  End of campaign.  Or a quick wedding (ie Charlie Crist).

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 22:53 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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Barney Frank for President (change you can believe in)

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 23:11 | Link to Comment Mad Max
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Larry Craig!

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 23:38 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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I would like to see FOX news coverage of the President and the First Man - it would be a awesome

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 01:24 | Link to Comment Mad Max
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Which merely begs the question, how many tv news crews can fit in an airport bathroom?  And would they have a sort of ticker for who the "First Man" was that hour?

(It's not that I have anything big against Craig, it's just that he's too easy to make fun of now.)

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:46 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:17 | Link to Comment MyKillK
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+100

Obama pimping stocks, just a day or two before it bottomed, as if he KNEW it was going to happen, should be investigated.

There is absolutely no justification for a president telling people to go out and buy stocks. Talk about crony capitalism at its worst.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 22:24 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 01/21/2010 - 22:51 | Link to Comment MyKillK
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I was referring to his March 3rd speech when he told people that buying stocks was a good idea.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 22:52 | Link to Comment Gold...Bitches
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exactly.  since nothing has changed since day one, when did he finally wake up that wall street doesnt give half a shit about anyone else?  Either he isnt worthy of the office by being behind the ball for over a year, or he's digging into that faux outrage to try and show that he's still relevant.  If it wasnt for losing Kennedy's seat it would have been exact same business today as it was last week.  That's why its hard for me to believe that its anything other than an act.

 

Until shit passes and is signed into law, its all blah blah blah

 

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 23:01 | Link to Comment DonnieD
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The Manchurian Candidate was brainwashed by Ben and Lloyd. Talk about tentacles. They even pick the Potus.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 02:03 | Link to Comment Big Red
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I still love that movie, and even enjoy Frank Sinatra in it! Acting!!

But, I also realize that said movie capitalizes on that old bogeyman, the terrible, terrible "other side", the enemy, capable of anything, including cunning tactical "brainwashing"-as if our own country's minions (or yours, wherever you're from) isn't capable of such. Yeah, right, "we" are always the noble knights...

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:24 | Link to Comment MyKillK
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Also, I totally agree with your conclusion. It makes no sense that a president, who has allowed the TBTF banks to run hog-wild for the entirety of his presidency, would come out of the blue with a proposal to ban the very mechanism by which these banks have propped up the market.

 

The only thing that makes sense to me, is that the administration is willing to sacrifice the stock market in order to guide the flow of money to what is always considered the safe-haven: Treasuries. 

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 23:26 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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Absolutely, I still believe it was the Fed, I have zero doubt.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:47 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:49 | Link to Comment zenon
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Imagine a scenario where someone at the Obama administration just discovered after checking that it wasn’t the Fed doing the buying, rather an “informal” group of the top dogs at the prop trading desks at the top three brokerage firms were going long stock futures and short fed funds.

Kind of like Clinton realizing that he smoked a joint but didn't actually inhale it?

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:50 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Gambling?  In the casino gulag?  With other peoples money? Whaaat????

Really though, he is in on the fix.  This is all a show to keep the status quo confused.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:52 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 01/21/2010 - 20:55 | Link to Comment faustian bargain
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Indeed, it's distraction. TPTB are throwing the populists a bone.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:28 | Link to Comment MyKillK
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While that was my first hunch, I think this is "for real"

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:10 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:32 | Link to Comment Unscarred
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Even BIDU has nearly fallen back to "pre-GOOG-exiting-China" levels.  Is AAPL next one to fall?  (Earnings Monday, iTablet show-and-tell Wednesday...)

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:20 | Link to Comment J.B. Books
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I wish to point out something that has bugged me for a long time and this may be an example of it.

Let say that this is true and Obama was pissed off and reacted, emotionally, to the news that the Big 3 are doing what the Big 3 does, and that is, make as much F'in money as possible.  As Gomer Pyle would say: " Surprise, surprise, surprise!!"

Are you surprised?  I'm not. 

Obama is an narcissist egomaniac that just had his head handed to him.  I believe these events are the first time in his young life that he lost and LOST BIG. (He personally lost the Kennedy seat - can it get any worse then that!!)  Can he take it??  You tell me. 

What would happen if Iran were to do something and Obama reacted in the same emotional way? 

Obama may be losing it. 

Books

 

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:49 | Link to Comment BigBagHolder
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Man... he is losing it.

But still 2x better than GWB on a bad day.

But he is losing it.  Just shut up, get us out of those 2 wars (the right way), and work on education, technology, taxes, even healthcare.  This drip, drip, drip of petty financial shit is moronic.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 22:57 | Link to Comment Gold...Bitches
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you mean like invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11?  Oh wait, that wasnt Obama...

 

Of course, staying there now is just stupid and a huge waste of money.  Bring em home and if shit happens bomb the shit out of it from 50,000 feet.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 02:05 | Link to Comment Big Red
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let's just bring them home.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 23:19 | Link to Comment DonnieD
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Obama's tilting pretty hard after the MA debacle. He obviously made these rules up at breakfast this morning with Michelle and the girls.

He pulled Volcker out of mothballs and even named the rules after him? What a joke.

And the bank regulations his he previously discussed were to be done in conjunction with the rest of the world. This is thrown together and to stem the political fallout.

Now he has a war with Wall Street that's probably not going to help him in the long run since they can make life miserable for him if they want.

Obama is cracking already.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 02:10 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 01/22/2010 - 07:54 | Link to Comment THE DORK OF CORK
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He is just a political fixer without a strategic brain cell in his head which is just as well - look what happened to the last Presidents brain who thought strategically

Back and to the left back and to the left

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:53 | Link to Comment dot_bust
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True. The Kennedy Assassination was the major turning point for the U.S. Just shows what happens when a president tries to take the printing press away from the Federal Reserve.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:23 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:32 | Link to Comment Natural
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I don't think there has been any one rational speculating that the fed has been buying spus....   I definitely wouldn't say that there has been a lot of speculating either.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:37 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:38 | Link to Comment Instant Karma
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Some nasty karma going down: in one corner its Hugo Obama and SEIU and Acorn and the Trial Lawyers, and in the other corner its most of the American People, the Constitution, and Right Wing Media. Not a good environment for risk assets.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:38 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:53 | Link to Comment AN0NYM0US
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 Imagine a scenario where someone at the Obama administration just discovered after checking that it wasn’t the Fed doing the buying rather an “informal” group of the top dogs at the prop trading desks at the top three brokerage firms were going long stock futures and short fed funds.

or

 

Imagine a scenario where someone at the Obama administration just discovered after checking that he no longer has a super majority in the Senate.

 

 

after the stunning defeat in Mass. the administration would be calling on every and any supporter including any number of  " prominent financial professional(s)" to get the message out that President Obama has had the wool pulled over his eyes for the past twelve months.

 

could it be that someone  substituted the Cranberry juice in the ZH refrigerator with  Kool-Aid

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:46 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:51 | Link to Comment BigBagHolder
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The post is moronic.

If the big financial firms have been "long stocks / short FF" .... where are the $500B in earnings?

Hey... notice stocks are 3-4% off highs?  Gold is 15% off highs.  Which is in correction?

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 21:53 | Link to Comment Ben Graham Redux
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It strikes me as a possible thesis but I don't understand why Obama would have a problem with it.  A stronger market serves his purpose as much as it serves the fictional consortium.  The only difference is that the consortium holds the Sword of Damocles over his head, although to use it would invite mutual destruction. 

The consortium part is possibe but not so much the anger part.  Instead, I suspect he's merely playing the populist game, relying on the consortium to maintain the status quo at current levels.

Another possible theory is that the consortium is making money more readily available for levered long speculators and using them as agents.  If so, there is more levered money holding up this market than previously considered which would make this a very dicey situation.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 22:05 | Link to Comment MyKillK
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I disagree that is simple populism. If Obama doesn't follow through on this promise, that is pretty much anti-populism. His approval ratings will drop like a stone if he pulls away from this rhetoric.

Maybe the administration wants to sacrifice the stock market in order to support the treasury market as more, and more, and more treasuries are offered further saturating an already oversupplied market? Just my two cents.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 22:17 | Link to Comment Ben Graham Redux
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Mkk,

It can be simple populism and still fit the parameters of your expectations.  I consider this populism because it comes two days after the Senate defeat where the economy/bankers were a big consideration.  The timing suggests populism but I agree with you that he can't back away easily if he wanted.

Regarding tanking the market to buy Treasuries, I strongly disagree with that thesis because it would ultimately be counter productive.  The strong market is the only thing maintaining the farce which is recovery.  To tank the market would invite a deeper downturn which would kill tax revenues.  Besides, they can take care of the Treasury offerings with either the printing press or attempts to corral excess cash funds into Treasuries.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 22:28 | Link to Comment MyKillK
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Yes, I suppose so. The average American has a terribly short memory span when it comes to politics. All most will remember is that Obama wanted to do this, and assume that it was good as done. Few will pay attention to whether he really follows through or not. Just like when Obama promised to curb executive pay and bonuses, hardly anyone noticed when it was shot down in Congress.

However, what if the administration anticipates some kind of future disruption in the Treasuries market? Maybe they are taking pre-emptive action. The stock market is due for a big turn down after this 9+ month long rally. Why not excaberate the market downturn and direct money into Treasuries instead?

Unfortunately I doubt we'll ever know the real rationale behind this sudden rhetoric. I will agree that its timing relevant to the special election is interesting, however.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 02:20 | Link to Comment MrPalladium
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The "consortium" is the Fed purchasing CMO's from the big banks with prop desks, with a side agreement that some of the newly minted money used to pay for the CMO's be used to prop up the stock averages with futures. I thought everyone, especially BO, understood.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 22:45 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Thu, 01/21/2010 - 23:32 | Link to Comment ghostfaceinvestah
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I am doing more than just writing.  I am giving money to candidates who agree with liberty, and giving money to oppose candidates who oppose liberty.

Any Senator voting to approve Bernanke - their opponent gets my money if they are up for re-election.

Any house member who voted for TARP?  Opponent will get money.

I preserved my wealth well by getting it out of USD in March, and this coming election I will spend some of it to kick some of these cockroaches out of office.

Thu, 01/21/2010 - 23:43 | Link to Comment Cursive
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One hand washes the other.  The prop desks are the FRB and the FRB is the prop desks.  Who are the Reston 6?  Does it matter?  The FRB is owned by banks.  It's by the banks and for the banks.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 02:06 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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If GS goes private, I want my money back first!!

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 04:10 | Link to Comment dhengineer
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Don't forget the story that's been floating around about the possible forced investment of IRA's and 401(k)'s into Treasuries to assure a lifetime annuity (snicker...).  Nobody would voluntarily drink that Kool-Aid if the market were flying.  If this idea is to be implemented in order to prop up the Treasury, then the stock market has to be crushed, at least on a temporary basis. Think about it:  the market suffers a downdraft like last year, retirement funds are blasted by 50 percent or more, and people become despondent.  Along comes the gallant administration with this fabulous plan to guarantee a lifetime income.  All ya gotta do is sign here to make your deal with the devil... The flip side of the bargain is that the insiders get to short the market to make even more cash off of the dupes, and then the Treasury sucks up the remains.  The sheeple get totally sheared while the big guys get all of the spoils. 

Logical, no?

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 09:49 | Link to Comment pak
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I don't get it. Why would Obama worry about WHO is buying? After all, the only way "Fed" can do the buying is through NY Fed, which in turn does it through its semi-official "agents" of which JPM is the most prominent.

So this is probably realization on Obama's part that after the Mass. incident his political survival depends on whether he can at least pretend to be fighting TBTF.

Or, if there's something that may have pissed Obama off, it can be that TBTF are bidding the market up for all the wrong reasons. Like negotiating the best possible multi-generational shorting opportunity for themselves.

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