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Money: A Semi Pictorial Fable

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By Jeff Harding

The Daily Capitalist

We have forgotten what money is.

Money is really easy to understand, but most people have no idea what it is. We all understand that barter is an inefficient way to foster economic growth and money is a good thing for the economy. But money isn't a piece of paper.

Let me create a kind of fable to illustrate this. Please bear with me here. Think of this as an amusing weekend read.

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Imagine an big isolated valley in a simple rural, pre-technology society, centuries past. People get up in the morning, farm, hunt, build homes, makes clothes, babies, cook meals, think of ways to defend the perfect valley, party, the usual stuff. Human nature being what it is, some people are better at some things than others.

Enter George. George hates farming and isn't very good at it. But he loves to tinker and invents the plow which makes him much better at farming even though everyone knows he stinks at it. His neighbor John notices George's sudden farming success and asks George to make him a plow. George says he doesn't have time, he needs to farm, save grain for the winter, yadda yadda yadda. John says "I'll give you some grain if you make me a plow." It didn't take George long to see the opportunity and now he just makes and sells plows, eats well, brings his kids into the family business, forgets farming, and life is good. Barter and specialization of labor is invented.

sack of wheat

What has happened here economically? Well, John had to save up some grain and not eat it to get the plow. This is called capital or real savings. Remember this; it's key.

Everyone hears about plows and George expands his business. He now has grain bursting from his barn. He notices that farmers have a lot of grain that year. He has so much grain that he can't trade the grain fast enough for stuff he wants, and it spoils. Not good for George.

Stack of wheat

George thinks about his problem and notices that everyone likes gold jewelry: it doesn't spoil, tarnish, rust, it's pretty, scarce, and easily workable. People seem to covet the stuff. He has an idea. He sends George Jr. out to trade as much of the excess grain as he can for gold. George then purifies it and makes round disks of uniform weight and size. Yes, coins. Be patient, I have a point.

coenwulf_anglo_saxon_gold_coin

You know what happens. He starts using coins to buy things he needs for his business, and because everyone trusts George, they recognize that gold is valued and they accept them in exchange for goods. Pretty soon the coins are spreading through the community and the economy grows. It's so easy to trade for other things by using the coins. George also makes a little bit on each coin he mints.

Remember that people had to save something from what they produced to acquire other goods. This real savings/capital is what makes the economy run. The gold is just a medium to trade real savings for goods.

Everything is great. Trade grows with other valleys, coinage expands at a rate equal to production of goods. Peace breaks out with old enemies because trade grows makes everyone's life better, and George prospers.

George has branched out into other businesses and sends out his many kids to buy raw materials needed to make his products: plows with metal tips, carts, leather shoes, jewelry, and the like. He sends his kids far and wide but it was risky carrying around a lot of gold in far places. So, knowing that everyone knows him and trusts him, he issues documents, certificates that say the bearer of the certificate is entitled to redeem a certain amount of gold coins. George stores the gold in a cave heavily guarded by his sons-in-law. George signs and seals each document and calls them "gold deposit receipts." People know that if George says he's got the gold, he does, and they accept them.

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George's kids spread the receipts around, sellers accept them, and he prospers even more. Pretty soon others see the advantage of gold deposit receipts, and they deposit their gold in George's cave and accept gold receipts. It worked out great and George realized he just created banking. The neat thing is that because the supply of gold was rather limited it was hard for George to flood the market with his paper receipts even if he wanted to. Other than supply and demand issues with goods, prices were stable.

George died and left his successful businesses to his kids; George Jr. gets the cave-bank.

Junior is smart too, but rather greedy. He is known to have a summer home in the mountains by the lake, and has lots of fine horses and carriages. Women find him attractive and he parties a lot. Junior thinks that the business isn't meeting his cash needs but he has a problem: gold can't be mined and minted any faster.

Junior has a great idea. He notices that people rarely cash in the gold receipts to take possession of their gold on deposit in the bank. What if, he thought, I start lending out the gold that’s just sitting there? He knew that people only demanded about 10% of the physical gold held at any one time. He realized he could lend more money than he actually had. “Eureka! I’ve figured out a new paradigm in banking. I’m going to call it ‘fractional reserve banking.’ This can’t fail!"

Junior began lending new “certificates” that said the Bank of George would pay the bearer in gold in the named denomination. He wasn’t saying it was a deposit receipt for a specific sack of gold coins, but that he would pay in gold when asked. He had one ton of gold deposited in the cave. He drew up certificates equal to five tons of gold—four more than he had—and proceeded to lend this new money to his customers. He increased the supply of money by 400%. There was no actual real savings or capital created by Junior. No one saved their production, created wealth, and deposited the gold equivalent in the bank; Junior just issued more pieces of paper.

50 dollar gold

People were pretty happy at first. The tanners, miners, builders, and quarry owners who first borrowed most of the money bid up the price of wages and resources like hides, lumber, stone, iron, copper, and wheat. Trade expanded rapidly with the new certificates floating around. Then people started to notice that prices were going up rather dramatically. By the time the new money worked its way through the valley, the farmers, cobblers, and workers, who were last in the money chain had to pay more for things like bread, housing, cloth, and shoes. Much more.

But ... some people noticed that gold coins would buy more than would the certificates. John's son Johnson brought his certificates into the bank and asked Junior to give him the gold coins. Junior tried to talk him out of it but Johnson was stubborn and got the coins. Other people noticed the same thing and ran to the cave to exchange certificates for gold. In fact, everyone ran to the bank to exchange the certificates for gold. Junior and the bank went bust because he issued certificates for 5 tons of gold but only had one ton. Had just invented inflation. From then on many people kept all of their money in gold. Johnson's family motto became, “In Gold We Trust.”

You might notice that more pieces of paper didn't create any wealth. Real savings, you recall, was some consumer good produced that someone didn't consume. They traded it for gold, a monetary commodity which retained its value. I mean, why would anyone trade their hard earned products for a worthless piece of paper? Just issuing more pieces of paper didn't do anything except raise prices. It certainly didn't create "wealth."

Now leap forward in time. The village has become a big city in a large country. Johnson10 is old money rich because his family kept gold and invested wisely over the years. George's family went into banking and over the centuries blew up many times. George10 went into academia and studied a new kind of economics that said money was whatever the government said it was.

George10 eventually became the head of the government’s central bank. He once told his mentor, Friedman, that “we’ll never have an economic collapse again because I control money!” The first thing George10  did was to ban all forms of money as legal tender except the one that the central bank issued—”notes” called the dollar. The dollar was a piece of paper with numbers on it. The second thing he did was to sever the relationship of the dollar with gold or any other commodity. The government had a big army to back up the edicts of George10.

1000-dollar-bill

People everywhere in the country loved the dollar but had no clue what it represented. People seemed to want these pieces of paper a lot. They were pretty, green things, well made, and looked very official. People just stopped thinking about what money was.

George10   kept printing dollars whenever he thought the economy needed a boost. Things were great for a while, and then, as prices inflated he stopped printing and the economy crashed. The government decided to stimulate the economy and embarked on great new projects like dams, bridges, roads, stadiums, government buildings, and other things the leaders wanted. These projects cost billions and billions. The leaders said that the people were complaining and they couldn't keep raising taxes. "What do we do?" George said, “Leaders, you issue debt, I’ll buy it, and print dollars to pay you. Take the dollars and spend! The economy will recover and everything will be fine.” Which the government did. Pretty soon prices started going up and up and up and the central bank had to print more dollars to keep up with the demand.

Meanwhile, Johnson10 had a very nice business making gardening and farming tools. But his workers were getting poorer because inflation caused prices to go up and up. He couldn’t raise his prices fast enough to keep up with wage demands. He said to his workers, "Look, I can pay you in dollars, but wouldn’t you like gold instead?" He explained that the dollar was going down in value relative to gold, and gold would buy more. It didn’t matter what the government did to the money as long as they held gold. The workers liked that so he issued gold deposit receipts on the gold he held in a vault deep under his estate. Holders could come in and demand and receive gold in the amount of the receipts. The workers really liked this because the gold held its value and inflation didn’t bother them at all and they all prospered. People started using these receipts all around town.

George10  heard about this and had Johnson10 arrested because he violated legal tender laws. Johnson10  was convicted and thrown in jail and his gold was confiscated. Before he was hanged he gave a speech on the gallows:

Fellow citizens, you work every day for what? A piece of paper? That piece of paper isn’t wealth or capital. Like our ancestors ten generations back, real wealth was the wheat they produced and saved. They exchanged it for something of value: gold. Gold is money because people value it as a medium of exchange. You’ve forgotten what money really is and now you trade your labor and goods for pieces of paper worth nothing! Now George10  and his cronies print paper at will to pay for what the government wants. They use it to bail their friends out when they go bust. Their legacy is inflation, just another tax on your labor. Gold, my friends, is the only thing that can prevent the government from inflating the money supply and stealing your wealth. They are destroying our economy. Rebel and demand we go back on a gold standard and have real money. Don’t let …

There were murmurs of discontent in the crowd and George10 quickly pulled the trap door and Johnson10 was left hanging in the wind. They forgot all about Johnson10 in a few months because the government gave them some cash called a “rebate.”

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P.S.


Obama note


P.P.S. I thought I would throw this in: the largest notes ever printed with the numbers written out. From the private collection of Econophile. Bought on e-Bay for $7.50.

 

zimbabwe-note

 


 


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Mon, 01/11/2010 - 11:21 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/18/2009 - 15:10 | Link to Comment Econophile
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Thanks for all the comments, from kudos to jeers. This is a good discussion which is why I wrote the piece. While I believe many commenters have answered the questions brought up, I have a few points:

1. No one controls the gold market. Unless by government edict.

2.  Private banks and currencies are fine. Let them compete and see which store of value comes out on top. My guess it would be gold based.

3. For millennia gold has emerged to meet all the tests that make it best. Why reinvent the wheel? 

4. Fiat money will always fail because the temptation to inflate, along with economic ignorance, always seem to trump the "reasonable people in charge" assumption. This experience has taught people to value gold.

5. I thought I made it clear that inflation doesn't just "happen." It's a phenomenon of flooding the market with paper by the government. The Fed has many ways to do it.

6. You really can't cause inflation with gold as money, at least in modern times, because it's expensive to mine. Don't know about Spain, but it's possible they experienced inflation from New World gold and silver. Mises thought it could happen if a massive amount was dumped on the market. Rothbard disagreed. If someone had the Midas touch, then people would switch to something else: platinum, palladium? The reality is that there aren't any Lost Dutchman Mines out there.

7. There is enough gold to support the world economy. It is highly divisible. It is paper prices that change relative to gold, not the other way around. As currencies are devalued by inflation, it appears that gold is rising in price -- something you all know. As the dollar cheapens and gold "rises" it spurs the production of gold to meet increasing demand for it. It's happening right now.

8. Gold as currency doesn't make us poorer. Get these Mercantilist ideas out of your heads. It is "real savings" that is wealth. No one wants gold as gold (except for jewelry); they want what it buys. Don't confuse money with wealth. I need to write something on foreign trade and the dollar.

9. George wasn't a monopolist. Anyone was free to compete at minting coins and banking. Monopolies only exist because of government action. Otherwise competition corrects business errors.

10. JR, that is the ultimate compliment.

Barbaric relic indeed! It's paper that's barbaric.

 

Sun, 10/18/2009 - 22:36 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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the future anti-fiat party cold use a good writer like yourself.

Sun, 10/18/2009 - 10:14 | Link to Comment trx
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Thanks for an interesting story.

But I think we're missing a vital point.

The story starts with a fallacy-like statement: "Money is really easy to understand.

Well, it's not:

"The American put options embedded in most coin currencies, as well as paper

notes, are options poorly understood by the issuer or holder, almost undescribed

in the literature, and rarely considered with options in view. Even less frequently

recognized is a special barrier feature associated with these options. Since the

history of currencies most likely begins with the use of the underlying value of the

metal in the coin, the lack of research is surprising. The shift of most money to

electronic representation greatly increases the importance of these options. This

lack of attention is additionally surprising since the loss of the ability to redeem

a paper US dollar for its underlying value in silver (Silver Certi cate) occurred

within the last century. In fact, the value of modern currencies has recently

gone from deep in-the-money through at-the-money to again deep-in-the-money,

making the lack of sound analytical treatment all the more surprising." 

 

Please read this research paper, recently finished by a couple of my quant-friends; dr. Espen G. Haug and dr. John Stevenson:

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B8kc6TKNaMLbOTcyYTljZWYtMDBkMi00ZjI1...

 

When it comes to the frustration on gold, it illustrates (in my view) another example of how economists underestimates the human psychology and behaviour.

Gold has an unique position in peoples mind, that's been inherited through generations for thousands of years.

We haven't forgotten what money is, but todays fractional system makes it almost impossible for anyone to know what it is.

And that's why more and more people are turning to the good ol' gold. 

 

* "By gold all good faith has been banished, by gold our rights are abused; the law itself is influenced by gold, and soon there will be an end of every modest restraint"

(Sextus Propertius)

* "Gold is a treasure, and he who posesses it does all he wishes to in this world, and succeeds in helping souls into Paradise."

(Christopher Columbus)

*  "The desire is not for gold. It's for the means of freedom and benefit." 

(Ralph Waldo Emerson)

* "A third force, developing itself more slowly, becomes more potent then the rest; the power of gold."

(John L. Motley)

* "The United States - the worlds super power - is failing on it's most basic level. And that's the basic rule; those who have the gold, rule."

(Gerald Celente)

 

Enjoy your Sunday, everyone!

Sun, 10/18/2009 - 09:52 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/17/2009 - 23:49 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/17/2009 - 23:21 | Link to Comment ft65
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A far better hour lecture and explaination of this can be found in MP3 format of about 5 MB in size. It was made by Professor Stewart Crane back in the early 1970's and is called "Wheat Reciepts" Explains central banks and kingdoms and all. A fantastic bit of work, and should be a permanent link on ZH

 

Google: wheat receipts

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 19:42 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Sat, 10/17/2009 - 16:32 | Link to Comment Lndmvr
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It also comes down to property rights. If there only was a way to stop taxation of land bought then anyone could defend thier right to do as they wish with whom they wish. As long as the bastards can charge property taxes, we are screwed.

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 16:09 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/17/2009 - 15:59 | Link to Comment MinnesotaNice
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That was just great!

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 15:41 | Link to Comment i-m a dinner jacket
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Isn't this a little bit like creationist economics?

People certainly value physical gold more than perhaps-unsafe promissory notes for gold, and I'm not against a revived role for metals & other commodities, but this fundamentalist only-yellow-metal-is-real stuff is just silly.

In the parable above I would pinpoint the moment when the happy valley really starts to go wrong as the moment when the issue of currency is monopolised, not the moment when some paper stands in for some physical goods, metallic or otherwise.

Forget this insistence on metal - instead allow any institution that wants to to issue currency, and see which ones gain acceptance.

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 18:05 | Link to Comment brodix
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Banks used to issue their own currency. The problem is still one of regulation, since the eventual tendency is to issue more than they have reserves.

 Every innovation of civilization starts as private enterprise, but at some point the patent eventually runs out and it becomes part of the public sphere. Political power originated as leadership ability and eventually became instituted as monarchy. Since those who first invented the concept of money are long lost in the mists of history and responsibility for the stability of the currency has been transfered to the public, it seems that rights to the rewards from managing this currency should be public income, thus reducing the need for taxation. Like democracy, it would be a bottom up process, with local communities responsible for incorporating their own banks and these banks serve as shareholders on larger regional consortiums, with these providing support and direction to a national bank that would be responsible for issuing currency. Hopefully the understand that over-issuing this money only results in reducing the value of that in circulation, the natural conservative tendencies of this grass roots structure would limit it to necessary growth.

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 15:27 | Link to Comment iconoclast63
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For those of you who are defendng the fractional reserve system, you underestimate the parasitic affect of compounding interest. When bankers are afforded the power to create deposits and loan them to the community, don't forget, the deposits they create are principal ONLY, the interest tribute is to be extracted from the economy as a whole, with the result that all real wealth ultimately ends up in the hands of the bankers. It is the desperate measures the productive class must take to satisfy the interest payments that insures the "boom/bust" cycle to continue ad infinitum. Remove the burden of interest from currency and you will have destroyed the banking industry and created something much closer to a stable economic system.

 

Whether gold or a basket of other commodities or even debt-free government fiat currency is the answer are details to be worked out once it is finally understood and agreed that bankers should NEVER be allowed to create deposits and loan them into ciruclation.

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 14:55 | Link to Comment kevinearick
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to be fair, I should have went farther:

trust, in this universe, depends on the ability

to adapt, not just regardless of maket vicissitudes,
but to take advantage of market vicissitudes.
Equally, it depends on the ability to identify
non-performing assets and recycle them back into
productive assets.

E to MC becomes m1c1 + m2c2 becomes e1 + e2,
and so on.

The system that best leverages participation wins.

Left to its own devices, physical capital, is inert.

Democracy requires nothing more than the instrument
in your head, which creates the necessary induction.
Proper alignment is everything.

 

Know your banker.

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 18:07 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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maybe better yet, be your own banker.

Sun, 10/18/2009 - 00:22 | Link to Comment kevinearick
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when people ask me what they should do with their investments, I ask them:

would you walk out into the street and give a perfect stranger $20 to invest for you?

No. So, why would you trust anyone with your life's savings? And why would you give someone else your money so they can make 20%, and give you 2%?

basic literacy is a real problem.

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 18:36 | Link to Comment Narcolepzzzzzz
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Maybe that's the future of banking - cut out the middleman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4vA6yDkr0A

Sun, 10/18/2009 - 21:27 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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ya mon, zopa rocks.   0.05% default rate so far.

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Stevm30
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Thanks for this.  There two major problems with our current regime:
1. Fractional reserve banking, which is inherently unstable and of 0 benefit to anyone except bankers.
2. Government monopoly of money, which prevents competition from keeping the central bank honest.

Either one of these alone would be self correcting.  If you only had fractional reserve banking, but no monopoly, then bank runs would cause some banks to go under, and new banks would open that would play off the fears of investors, with innovations such as "3rd party audits" "public disclosure of reserve ratios" or "no fractional reserve policy"

The Fed was created by bankers in 1913 to prevent bank runs, so that the public would never think to question the soundness of their money (but we must!)  It's much more visible to you if your relative loses everything when their bank goes under, than if they lose 20% of their money in the course of a couple years through inflation.

If the government had a monopoly but there was no fractional reserve, then that would work just as well since it would basically be a storehouse of gold and silver for the population.

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 15:22 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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Brilliant points, Stevm30, but I take exception with only one comment: ".. Fed was created by bankers in 1913 to prevent bank runs.."

While this is the official cited reason, please keep in mind that also in 1913 we were presented with the federal income tax and the oil depletion allowance as well.

As long as the state or the corporation is allowed to monopolize capital and land, there will never be economic democracy.

Thus spoke Henry George, a truly great economic genius, and today J.W. Smith (ied.info) carries on his legacy.

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 18:05 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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thanks for the ied.info link sgt.

big fan of henry george here.  sometimes i let my mind wander to wonder what NYC would be like now if he would have been elected mayor instead of two-face teddy.

then a cab almost runs me over and i snap out of it...

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 14:44 | Link to Comment Hammer59
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George Jr... the lazy one who inherited a sound system, only to ruin it.  You said he was greedy, and partied alot. Did his last name happen to be Bush?

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 14:14 | Link to Comment kevinearick
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money is as good as the people backing it up.

trust.

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Sat, 10/17/2009 - 13:23 | Link to Comment JR
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Henry Hazlitt, you have a contender for your brilliant performance in Economics in One Lesson: The Shortest and Surest Way to Understand Basic Economics —Jeff Harding!  Thank you, Econophile: you have exposed the mystery and deception and illusion of the magical money machine—the Fed.  Zero Hedge is changing the modern world of economics by exposing its orthodoxy of economic nonsense. 

As G. Edward Griffin says, “[R]emove the big-spending internationalists from office and replace them with men and women dedicated to sound money and national independence…"

But the first step that must precede an abrupt abandonment of the Fed, which could result in chaos and play into the hands of the globalists who would welcome "a rescue from the IMF/World Bank," says Griffin, "is to convert our present fiat money into real money…”

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/17/2009 - 12:12 | Link to Comment brodix
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The problem apparent in your fable, is that there is far more tangible wealth in the economy, such as wheat and plows, than can be effectively denominated in gold. Therefore whomever controls the gold supply would control all commerce. The result would lead to conflicts over control of the gold supply, if we were to go back to gold backed currency. The problem is that money is a medium of exchange which people must believe is a store of value in order to accept it, whether it is gold, or paper. Politicians inflate the currency and bankers inflate credit. There has to be some system of regulation by which both can be controlled. Otherwise we just have variations of boom and bust, like growing up and then growing old......Maybe nature is trying to tell us something deeper?

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 13:56 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/17/2009 - 17:17 | Link to Comment brodix
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Possibly currency would function as the executive and banking as the legislative. So you would have a national currency to provide broad interchangeability, while banking would be adjunct to local governance. Since the taxpayer has proven overwhelmingly responsible for maintaining the value of the currency, then why wouldn't the rewards from managing it be public income as well? By incorporating it at the local level, profits would be returned to the communities which generated them and this would maintain stability and support for the system. There would also be broader layers, state, regional and national, for larger economic processes. The local banks would be shareholders in the broader ones, serving as a form of legislature to these bigger entities, as well providing an interconnected network.

 

Another large problem is the system of public financing, where enormous bills, stuffed with enough goodies to gain sufficient support, are rammed through the system. That's not budgeting. The process of budgeting is to prioritize needs and desires, then decide where to draw the line between what can be afforded and what cannot. In the US, some years ago, there was a discussion about the "line item veto," where the president could delete any item he wished from spending bills. Obviously this would remove all power of the purse from the legislature and likely be unconstitutional. In the spirit of actual budgeting, a possible solution would be to break these bills down to their constituent lines and then have every legislator assign a percentage value to each line and then re-assemble them in order of preference. The president would then draw the line at what would be funded. This would divide responsibility, allowing the legislature to prioritize, while giving the president final authority over total spending. Since making the cut would be graded on a curve, there would be much less incentive to trade favors and the percentage system would allow legislators to fine tune their granting of favors to other legislators and lobbyists. Since may local projects wouldn't be funded on a national level, this is where the circulation of wealth back into the local communities, by a local public banking system, would be necessary. 

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 13:51 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Sun, 10/18/2009 - 20:52 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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"As recently as the 1970's and 1980's, Ithaca, NY was using a homemade form of currency to help bolster their economy."

ithaca hours still holding strong in 2009:
http://www.ithacahours.org/

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 12:35 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 10/19/2009 - 00:21 | Link to Comment I am a Man I am...
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As an engineer, I was trained in college to hand write in all capital letters and always thought it looked good, but for some reason it doesn't have the same effect when typed on a computer.  I think more people will read your posts if you chill the fuck out on the caps.  Just a suggestion.

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 17:40 | Link to Comment vanderrook
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Anon,

I'm continually amazed by how many people still equate some arbitrary value to gold as if this commodity were picked out of a hat, and that a Federally OWNED frn is just as good.

You say "rarity" adds some value I suppose". That is a good start.

Scarcity makes it valuable, you can't print it all day.

Durability makes it a damn near permanent store of value; it will survive floods and fire and reckless gov'ts. Four thousand year old coins are dug up to this day- it's durable, paper isn't.

It's divisible like paper, but paper has none of gold's other caracteristics.

It's transportable- same as above.

 

Not many other commodities have all of these advantages, and it has taken people thousands of years of various experimentation with mediums of exchange to come to this conclusion, over and over again.

 

As a result of the last point- it is forever recognizable. Also very important.

Sat, 10/17/2009 - 15:10 | Link to Comment KevinB
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Gold doesn't require faith. So long as women like pretty shiny things, and so long as men like women, gold will be valued.

The advantage that gold has over the printed art works is gold is fungible. The art works are not; over time, one piece of art might appreciate, while another might depreciate.

Finally, the problem with paper is that no government, anywhere, at any time, has been able to resist the temptation to debase the currency. It's happened with coins as well (see John Law, "clipping" of coins, etc.), but it's more obvious and easier to find out than when it happens with paper.

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