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Moody's Downgrades 7 Portuguese Banks

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Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:07 | 1460462 TheTmfreak
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Phew the last few days has categorized this week as the week of downgrades.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 16:39 | 1460857 Highrev
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Would someone please ask Buffett to take a breather.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:09 | 1460467 johny2
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Mad Max of the rating agencies. 

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:10 | 1460471 Archimedes
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Things are beginning to stir....Market can't seem to pump higher without daily POMO. I am calling 1370 the Top for 2011. All those who are calling for 1440 on the S&P are delusional.


Fri, 07/15/2011 - 17:53 | 1461040 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:10 | 1460472 caerus
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banks for the memories!

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:11 | 1460474 bigwavedave
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S&P have put the entire US banking biz on credit watch negative. Take that bitchez!

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:13 | 1460478 centerline
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EU/US central bank circle-jerk, round two.  Will Spain get to play this time?  Will China survive around round?  What happens when the USD breaks support?  Hmmm.  Seems like we are going to find out sooner rather than later (months rather than years).

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:15 | 1460489 shushup
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It's not that nobody remembers anymore it's that no one cared to begin with.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:16 | 1460490 Fortunes Favor
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AUD/JPY Struggles Imply Risk Off / Liquidity Drain: Not Good For Equity Prices


Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:20 | 1460495 Sudden Debt
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And let's not forget that Moody's looks to banks through pink glasses, so a fart = pile of shit.


Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:20 | 1460507 carbonmutant
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This is like shooting fish in a barrel...

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:21 | 1460511 candyman
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Is there anything left to downgrade? Pile on baby... this must mean it's the bottom.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:22 | 1460514 Dick Darlington
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Credibility of the soviet union of europe just got lifted up another notch.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:22 | 1460516 bigwavedave
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NEW YORK (Reuters) - Standard & Poor's on Friday put a broad range of financial companies on negative credit watch, warning they could all be downgraded soon if the United States has its credit rating cut.


The move added fresh pressure to the Washington negotiations over raising the country's debt ceiling, which has already prompted S&P to put the sovereign ratings of the country on negative watch.


The S&P action takes in Fannie Mae , Freddie Mac , all "AAA"-rated insurers, clearinghouses, fixed-income and exchange-traded funds and hedge funds, some Federal Home Loan Banks and Farm Credit System Banks, among others.


S&P characterized its targets as "entities with direct links to, or reliance on, the federal government."


The clearinghouses in particular guarantee contracts tied to everything from oil contracts to shares of Google and are critical to U.S. financial-market stability.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 16:42 | 1460867 Highrev
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This looks like news (better late than never on the S&P's part).

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:23 | 1460523 The Axe
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Still the bond market sleeps....

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:24 | 1460528 Oh regional Indian
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It's so strange that a huge part of this game is going to get decided one way or another basedonthe opinions of these highly compromised and owned ratings agencies.



Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:25 | 1460530 kito
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jim rogers says euro will survive-- anybody agree?

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:40 | 1460586 Dr. Engali
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Maybe if they renanme it the deutschmark.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:41 | 1460592 Urban Redneck
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Global F/X flow balances on a three-legged stool USD-EUR-JPY.  JPY is literally radioactive, and without electricity to power industry it is a broken leg- two legs left USD & EUR - too many big players are tired of USD hegemony and frustrated with the US exporting inflation - therefore they have a vested interest in keeping EUR alive until whatever comes next (as a viable alternative) appears... weather the vested interests like the Euro or even think it is a good idea is irrelevant, as it is the only current alternative to USD in terms of market depth and infrastructure.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 16:40 | 1460861 swissinv
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I highly doubt the EUR is the only alternative and that it will replace the USD...

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:26 | 1460535 ThirdCoastSurfer
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Are the rating agencies hiring? 

So a Republic of Portugal downgrade to Ba3 will trigger a review and downgrade all over again, right? There are more steps to these ratings than there are championship belts in boxing so there sure must be a lot of work available.  

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:27 | 1460542 r101958
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Not very surprising. Seems these are always announced right when the dollar needs propping up, or gold and silver are getting too high, or treasuries need to be bought. They are happening a lot more often these days, eh?

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 16:45 | 1460884 Highrev
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Kind of makes you wonder about the almighty USD.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:29 | 1460551 Dr. Engali
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Yeah but they have Bank of America at A2 and Citi at A3. Probably time to upgrade them.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:31 | 1460558 r101958
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Yes, so they can be incorporated into JPM and/or Goldman when the time is right.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:44 | 1460610 Nothing To See Here
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What stress tests?

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 15:46 | 1460615 Joe Sixpack
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Derivatives events must be occuring behind the scenes (as well as the CDS events in a more transparent way). The final derivatives collapse may be imminent here soon.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 16:03 | 1460709 scratch_and_sniff
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Well done Moodys, you have pulled the rabbit out of the hat again - such timinig, such grace.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 16:03 | 1460711 Curtis LeMay
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This is welcome news indeed.

Guys, just like Greece, the Portuguese don't build anything anymore. It's a pretend economy and pretty much their entire income is, again like Greece, based solely on tourism.

But who in euroland soon will even THINK of going on a vacation?

Just remember...Portugal isn't Greece...Ireland isn't Portugal...Spain isn't am, er, am...

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 16:49 | 1460891 Highrev
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Oh yeah? Where do those citrus products the rest of Europe consumes come from?

(And that's but one such example - and that's not to downplay the importance of such either, just ask California or Florida.)

Get with it ninnies. Start doing some serious analysis.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 17:10 | 1460948 Curtis LeMay
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Fair enough.

The hell with the ninnies. Been there, done that.

Anyway, Greece and Portugal have trivial economies compared to Germany, France, etc.

Yet, and accordingly, they are bringing down the euro monstrosity.

There will be no eurobond.

Now what?

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 19:11 | 1461171 midnight
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Tourism accounts for ~6% of Portuguese GDP. From wiki:

The major industries include: oil refineries, petrochemistry, cement production, automotive and ship industries, electrical and electronics industries, machinery, pulp and paper industry, injection moulding, plastic products, textile, footwear, leather, furniture, ceramics, beverages and food industry and cork (leader producer). Automotive and other mechanical industries are primarily located in and around Setúbal, Porto, Lisbon, Aveiro, Braga, and Santarém. Coimbra and Oeiras have growing technological-based industries, including pharmaceuticals and software. Sines is a major petrochemical centre. Maia has one of the largest industrial parks of the country, including noted wood processing and food industries. Figueira da Foz is a major centre of pulp and paper industry. Marinha Grande is the most reputed glass making centre of Portugal. Leiria, Oliveira de Azeméis, Vale de Cambra and Viseu, have important light industries, including injection moulding and plastics. Alverca, Covilhã,[30] Évora,[31] and Ponte de Sor are the main centres of the Portuguese aerospace industry.

Sat, 07/16/2011 - 04:00 | 1461803 Highrev
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That's what I call a quality comment!

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 16:48 | 1460878 swissinv
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We all give a shit about Moody's -> following S&P and the others...

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 17:11 | 1460953 equity_momo
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V bullish.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 17:23 | 1460982 bbq on whitehou...
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"Moody's which is already not all that loved in Portugal"

Thats called a funny. You can laugh, but it may hurt, just a little.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 19:47 | 1461246 Buck Johnson
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Believe it or not, there has been nothing but bad news coming out of Europe and the US.  The media is trying to find good news or make bad into good.  Downgrading 7 Portugal banks (which judging from the size of that country is all their big banks) essentially says that Portugal is done.  Then spain having 6 of it's Caja banks fail the "stress test" is a joke.  Everyone knows that ALL of their Caja's are insolvent, they are just moving debt from one to another via consolidation.  We haven't heard anything about the financial issues with Luxembourgh, isn't one of their banks hit hard by this mess in Europe.  The EU will be done soon and so will the Euro. 

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 21:58 | 1461467 midnight
Fri, 07/15/2011 - 20:56 | 1461390 Elliott Eldrich
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In 1348 the Black Death first swept through Europe. As of now I'm thinking a better name for the European Debt Crisis would be the "Black Debt." It too is contagious, destructive, and relentless.

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 23:36 | 1461615 Cameli
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Oh come on...who the feck is listening to these cretins any longer? They couldn't even rate a few mortgages and we should believe they are capable of rating something a tad more intricate?

Sat, 07/16/2011 - 07:55 | 1461873 disabledvet
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Financial Advisor to Prince Philip II: "your ships are coming in King Phillip!"

Prince Philip II: "Excellent! Let me see!"

Prince Philip the II gazes through his "telescope" and sees an Aircraft Carrier Battlegroup flying an American flag: "It does not appear to be one ours. Can you confirm?"

Financial Advisor while peering through same said spyglass: "WHAT THE F...

Sat, 07/16/2011 - 11:38 | 1462026 LeBreizhou
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"Helaba, this week refused the EBA permission to publish all of its data after the EBA disqualified some of its capital."

Sat, 07/16/2011 - 19:03 | 1462774 Sambo
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(from the Irish Examiner)

The Lehman Brothers collapse marked the moment when the financial axis of the global economy began to shift in earnest away from New York and towards Shanghai.

It was the event that set in train the inexorable transformation of what we still rather patronisingly refer to as the Far East into the hot centre of global finance — a process that will also mark the time when we are condemned to decline into the still relatively prosperous, but highly marginal, Far West of the future economy.

But then that is only really a return to the status quo-ante of world affairs, as before Britain began the great Western industrialisation of the late 18th century, China and India accounted for 40% of the global economy.

As the West wanes, Ireland has had a chilling foretaste of what life will be like when the economic sun also rises in the East as the country has already ceded all fiscal control to our overlords in the EU/IMF troika.

Dublin cannot move a comma on a spread sheet without the explicit approval of the Troika, so the Government is left a hollow shell, tinkering at the margins of economic control.

So the one big idea of the new administration in this area was the jobs initiative which is strangely short of actual jobs.

Thus we had the "JobsBridge" to create 5,000 internships, with participants getting an extra 50 quid a week on top of their dole.

But the trouble with being a bridge is that people walk all over you, and as some of these "internships" include working at petrol pumps and being a kitchen porter, it seems unlikely careers will ensue once employers have had their six months of slave labour under the scheme.

Though he gets a much more generous €3,846 a week, Enda Kenny has been on a sort of work experience since being elevated to Taoiseach, and despite a severe wobble over hospital cutbacks, he has generally been learning fast on his feet — he was nice to the Queen, and more importantly, refreshingly firm with the Vatican in the wake of the appalling Cloyne report, so there seems no need to cut his internship short just yet.

Indeed, as EU leaders can’t even agree to meet and discuss the default crisis, let alone try to solve it, Mr Kenny may be around long after the euro has died of shame — unless the collapse of the unloved and deeply unstable currency is so spectacular it takes us down with it.

Then we will all be nothing but eurotrash.


Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/eart.aspx?id=161237&m=

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 10:20 | 1463448 jack stephan
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[checks watch]
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