Moody's Puts Italy's Aa2 Rating On Downgrade Review, EUR Slides, And A Bonus Report From SocGen: "How Vulnerable Is Italy?"

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Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:22 | 1378449 Hugh G Rection
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Why does anyone still listen to Moody's?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:21 | 1378457 scratch_and_sniff
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not really, expect a retrace within the hour.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:26 | 1378480 Ahmeexnal
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Il Cavaliere ain't gonna take this shit.
He'll pull out of the NATO criminal adventure in Libya.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:33 | 1378495 Quintus
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He would if he weren't so very dependent on Libya's lovely light sweet crude.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:51 | 1378558 French Frog
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"Euro slides" ... reckless exageration

up 210 pips from the low and retraces 35 pips on the news, that's not a slide, barely a hiccup


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:33 | 1378492 vamoose1
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Moodys Fitch and s and p just got sued by Uncle, they just got religion when the writ dropped last week.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:44 | 1378546 MisterAmbassador
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If even Moody's recognizes the need for a downgrade, then aren't things actually way worse than we think?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 16:15 | 1378649 Cdad
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Pay no attention to the time bomb in the corner...the one that just stopped ticking.  Everything is fine.  Greece is fixed.  Didn't you hear.  All better now.  Serious "upside earnings revisions" coming for Greek banks.  Go all in on Greek debt and Greek banks.  You won't regret it.  

And think of the retail sales potential in that country once the people stop throwing jars of gasoline at the cops.  I mean talk about your revenue beat!

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 16:58 | 1378762 kito
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@ hugh g.....and economists and bank analysts and politicians and imf officials and world bank officials and msm and.....?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:24 | 1378453 Jack Mehoff
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China is not happy

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:46 | 1378550 MisterAmbassador
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I'm sure their fortune cookie told them that this was coming.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:49 | 1378556 TruthInSunshine
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***Breaking News Alert***

  • Moody's put Italy on 'downgrade review.'
  • Rating Agency Fitch hired by Greek Finance Minister.
  • Standard & Poor's wants in on "some hot Spain action."
  • Bill Gross says he will short soon to be issued 1000 Year U.S. Treasuries.
  • Jamie Dimon claims JP Morgan close to buying unspecified silver miner.
  • Timothy Geithner expects +750,000 NFP print within "months."
  • McDonald's to outsource assembly and fabrication jobs.
  • Lloyd Blankf..err..Obama urges Congress to approve John Bryson as Commerce Secretary.
  • Obama snags his 14th hole-in-one.
  • Abby Joseph Cohen forecasts S&P at 4,999 by end of year.
  • UMich Consumer Sentiment from this morning since revised 27 pts higher.
  • Buffet Withdraws from Gates Charitable Trust; Will Give Fortune to Harold Camping.
  • Bernanke picks Mets to Win World Series in 2012.
  • Paul Krugman & Larry Summers pitch 'Dig Hole to China Standard of Living' Fiscal Stimulus, shovel ready Public Works Project (est. 188 trillion USD).

***This Has Been A Breaking News Alert***

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 16:21 | 1378658 Idiocracy
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Fri, 06/17/2011 - 23:09 | 1379509 TheProphet
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I've had a lousy day. Reading this, I feel much better.


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:24 | 1378455 slow_roast
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Market is trying to ignore this story, might see some major selling in the final stretch.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:36 | 1378483 hambone
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Market has forgotten what it is like to be a market and is confused...but ahhhhh, not to worry, Monday is double heroine mainlining, I mean double POMO...alas, pick your squiggle in the chart and go long w/ the sure knowledge you can sell it all at a profit come Monday, Monday, Monday. 

Still a little concerned bout what happens when there isn't that security blanket on the other side of the weekend...Sinclair's 4000 point drop would sound about right.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:26 | 1378460 hambone
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In another controversial ruling, Moody's states earth is not the center of the solar system and it is likely round.  Thanks for remaining well ahead of the curve there Moody's.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:50 | 1378564 MisterAmbassador
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Moody's breaking news:  Sky is blue.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:22 | 1378463 AldoHux_IV
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Looks like the corrupt regime is trying to get another plant in place-- Portugal finance minister Vitor Gaspar-- on the wires.

Worked as special adviser to Bank of Portugal and research at ECB.

They're digging into stem the contagion, but will fail imo.


Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:25 | 1378464 the not so migh...
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This time it really is different.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:22 | 1378467 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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There is no way to reverse all this mess... therefore, save time and volatility, just downgrade the whole world to junk status in one go...

... then the only way is up.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:53 | 1378573 MisterAmbassador
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It's not like the world owes all this money to aliens.

We could all just agree to go back to zero.  Yeah, right.

WWIII should be quite an event.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:28 | 1378474 Cheesy Bastard
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Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:29 | 1378478 Boston
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Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:39 | 1378514 scatterbrains
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hft algos are getting hungry for more fresh shorts to devour.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:24 | 1378475 rubearish10
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Like a rash of falling knives. One trader term that one could reflect on right now is "get out of the way".

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:27 | 1378482 Bam_Man
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I'm doing my part to support Italy's economy by buying/consuming large quantities of Italian red wine.

Can't wait for the Euro to really shit the bed.

I'll be able to afford to drink Barolo or Brunello every night!

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:32 | 1378489 SheepDog-One
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Oh noez! 'Greece fixed', well not really but whatever, good enough for the algo' its on to ITALY'S troubles! 

Too bad Moody's and S&P both totaly missed warning of the complete melt down in 2008....but who coulda seen THAT coming? Easier to just warn of Greek and Italian banks.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:43 | 1378530 Cdad
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Greece is fixed!  Greece is not fixed!!  Greece is fixed!  

Fuck me Dog.  Oh look...a unicorn that "nobody saw coming".  I'm going over there to mount it now....

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:41 | 1378534 SheepDog-One
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Nobody saw it comin! Yowza!

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:33 | 1378494 MisterAmbassador
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Now that's a spicy meatball!

Mario and Luigi are our only hope now!

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:34 | 1378498 Alea Iacta Est
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Omnia mutantur, nihil interit

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:38 | 1378509 buzzsaw99
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The promise given was a necessity of the past, the word broken is a necessity of the present.

Niccolo Machiavelli

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:39 | 1378512 AldoHux_IV
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Here's the problem with fiscal plans for every country that has a corrupt regime at the helm that serve only the insolvent financial system: you can't strip economic opportunity and individual rights from the people and expect them to take more cuts to what the governments owe them-- this is why policymakers should have focused on fixing the real economy instead of funneling everything to the insolvent financial institutions-- it doesn't work-- not even in a pyramid scheme does that work as you can't build a pyramid on the broken backs of the peasantry--it's unstable.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:40 | 1378520 A Man without Q...
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Half an hour before the end of the week?  Smells like a bear trap to me - there'll be some positive  bullshit news out of Greece over the weekend and futures will open Sunday night 0.5% higher...

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:39 | 1378532 SheepDog-One
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Or 1.5% lower. STEP RIGHT UP, ladies and gentlemen! Place ya BETS!

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:43 | 1378543 AldoHux_IV
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Possibly, but does it matter what they come out with on SUN? It's a plan, much like last year they had a plan, and much like last year have failed to implement it successfully.

The market may not price this reality in because it's run by the same insolvent financial institutions that need Greece (now Italy and soon to be the rest of EU) to take on more debt to keep the farce running.

2012 will see the same tough rhetoric out of the troika on how Greece needs to make severe cuts in order to serve their banking masters and it will be near impossible to implement such a plan as people will just say 'fuck off EU and your banking masters' and strike-- strikes and discontent to where a country is paralyzed by resentment is far worse than deflation-- that kind of shit topples regimes.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:37 | 1378522 serotonindumptruck
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Is this some kind of retaliation against the Italian people who voted overwhelmingly to phase out nuclear energy?

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:51 | 1378560 mr_nice
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in what world 51% of voters is overwhelmingly anything? (94% of 55% or whatever)

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 16:19 | 1378652 serotonindumptruck
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It's probably not relevant at all. It's not as if that many people could give a rat's ass about Italy anyway. Besides, most of us will be dead within the next six months.

Sat, 06/18/2011 - 04:09 | 1379801 mr_nice
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awesome, sell long term vol then

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:39 | 1378526 agent default
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It's not just Italy.  If Unicredit gets dragged into this, and I don't see why not, things may get really nasty.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:43 | 1378533 hungarianboy
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The report from Socgen is pretty old. Just saying.

Still thnx.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:45 | 1378536 John McCloy
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If stocks are 100% correlated to the EUR than I am assured I am more than content being short because this is all going to end in tears. 

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:42 | 1378541 buzzsaw99
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At least Italy isn't being investigated by the porn-watching SEC.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:44 | 1378547 John McCloy
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Dow just shot up 40 points in 3 minutes..haha

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:52 | 1378557 plocequ1
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It must be that compression. Yea, Thats it.

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 15:51 | 1378567 cougar_w
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They brought out the heavy guns today. So exciting to watch!

Fri, 06/17/2011 - 16:02 | 1378566 TruthInSunshine
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Greece is the appetizer. Many courses to come. Italy won't even be the main course when all is said and done. Save room for desert.

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