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More Americans Believe The Country Is In A Depression Than Growing

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Probably the only piece of economic news that matters today, and possibly all year, no scratch that, since the "End Of The Recession" (NBER TM) - according to Reuters: "The April 20-23 Gallup survey of 1,013 U.S. adults found that only 27 percent said the economy is growing. 29 percent said the economy is in a depression and 26 percent said it is in a recession, with another 16 percent saying it is "slowing down," Gallup said." That means that more Americans think the country is in a Depression, let alone recession, than growing. Cue crickets and a Bernanke press conference where he discusses alien abductions and 8 toed mutant Madagascar lemurs.

Said otherwise, a combined 71% believe the economy is deteriorating two years after the stock market more than doubled. That can't be right... 

The health of the U.S. economy is expected to be a major issue as President Barack Obama, a Democrat, seeks re-election in 2012.

The government reported on Thursday that U.S. economic growth slowed more than expected to 1.8 percent in the first quarter of the year, as soaring food and gasoline prices drained consumer spending power.

A slowdown in first-quarter growth was acknowledged on Wednesday by the Federal Reserve, which described the U.S. economic recovery as proceeding at a "moderate pace." That was a step back from the "firmer footing" that Fed officials cited for the recovery in March.

The Gallup poll found that Democrats are the most likely to say the economy is growing. Forty-three percent of Democrats said the economy is in a recession or depression, 13 percent said it is slowing down and 42 percent said it is growing.

In other news, Welcome to the Recovery (GeithnerTM)

 


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Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:01 | Link to Comment The Axe
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ChairSatan believes...

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:15 | Link to Comment rocker
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We Are Japan Now.  Yes, we are in just beginning to fall down, with Zimbabwe dollars.

We have a military that is a complete fraud. The Chineese and Russians could eat our lunch.

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:15 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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LMFAO

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:05 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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Green! Shoots!

 

Fuck All of You(s)! (italian accent')

 

Ben-O-Cide & InfiniTimmy will show You(s) ALL!

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 21:03 | Link to Comment Freddie
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You Democrat boy hussein elected by DemTards like you.

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 23:23 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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Obama $656 Million LOBBY Dollars! http://bit.ly/Tu4v Obama Let the FED Print 1/2 a Trillion since Jan 1 2011 http://bit.ly/aBu9yF

 

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/305096#ixzz1HsjsqUUn The Obama administration has issued a gag order on Gulf’s dead dolphins

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?_r=3 General Electric $14.2 Billion in Profits, Pays $0 in U.S. Taxes

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?lname=GeneralElectric  $39M Dollar Lobby in 2010 $14B in Profits =’s NO TAXES PAID!

$10 billion sale of F.D.I.C.-backed debt http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/ge-capital-begins-10-billion-debt-sale/

Exxon Mobil $12m in Lobby Monies and *POOF* No Taxes Owed!! http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?lname=Exxon+Mobil&year=2010

 

Yes WE CAN!!

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:16 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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No, the US is most certainly not Japan. Japan financed herself domestically, the US uses a printing press. Big difference.

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Thorlyx
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yes, but only transitory.

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:27 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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You mean Japan's state is transitory, or that of the US?

Japan, yep, eventually it'll go horribly wrong.

US; not really, they can't switch off the printing press without catastrophic consequences.

Once QE2 ends, the Federal Reserve will set up swap lines with the PDs in exchange for cash, aka "John Law financing". Repo 105 with the Fed? Book it.

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:32 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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They don't need to. Banks aren't required to hold reserve against Treasuries, so no capital impact. Only risk they run is interest rate (not that you'd see it if put in held to maturity book), so they can either trade swaps with the Fed or they can buy puts.

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:38 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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But treasuries don't count as reserves, and hence once bought, their reserve ratios would decrease unless swapped (or i guess they could repo them temporarily with another dealer, what an exciting game of musical chairs that would be).

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:00 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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Yes, they just repo between each other as they did with MBS...

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:07 | Link to Comment rocker
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Exactly.  Another thought. Loan reserves are not earnings. Somehow the market didn't catch that.  Repo 105 is alive.

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:21 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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by Thorlyx
on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:20
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yes, but only transitory.

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Quote of the day!

Silver and Gold are as well having multi-decade transitory pricing adjustments.

They will level off once they go above the inflation adjusted highs of all time.

http://www.halfhill.com/inflation.html this inflation calculator is priceless becuase it has a ShadowStats.com adjustment built in. Look for the kind of inflation you want in the drop down and its right there. $500+ in shadowstats adjusted inflation dollars, silver for the newbies.

Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:26 | Link to Comment tmosley
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America IS communist, I'm sad to say.  The following are the 10 planks of the communist manifesto.  Most have been partly or totally implemented in this country.

 

 

  • Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
  • A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
  • Abolition of all right of inheritance.
  • Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
  • Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
  • Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
  • Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
  • Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
  • Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
  • Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.[13]
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    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:49 | Link to Comment Holodomor2012
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    It most certainly is Communist.  The bolshevik owned FED has seized more and more control with each passing decade since creation.  After they sniped Kennedy it was all over for the Patriots.  And I am sorry to tell you my Texan friend, Reagan was as much a tool of the communists as all the rest.  Have you seen the picture of him rocking out at the elite NAMBLA convention known as bohemian grove?  I am sure he had plenty of pictures taken to keep him in line.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:53 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    tmosely, for Christ's sake read up on the differences between Communism and Fascism...

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:05 | Link to Comment Holodomor2012
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    Fascists = anyone the plutocrats don't like

    Communists = plutocrats

    Capitalists = plutocrats

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:27 | Link to Comment tmosley
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    Uhhh, I posted the planks of the Communist Manifesto.  If you have a problem with the content, you can have a discussion with the author, whom I am not.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:41 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    Yes, I am well aware of what you posted. You did preface you post with "America is communist state" or something to that effect, and that is the point I am taking issue with. It is a Fascist state that is transforming into a Feudal one...

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:43 | Link to Comment tmosley
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    You're nit-picking.

    And feudalism would be a step up, at this point.  We now keep less of our own income than medieval serfs.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 18:54 | Link to Comment Bobbyrib
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    Fuedalism is better than crony capitalism? You have gone too far, or you think you are a lord, not a serf.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 20:26 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    I can assure you that Mr. Moseley sees himself in the lordly class...

    You will also notice that if you give him a little rope that he will surely hang himself...

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 00:19 | Link to Comment nmewn
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                 An Ode to a Socialist Toad

    Standing at the county line train station, fanning myself with my passport in hand...

    Awaiting the Socialist Express to nirvana land...

    The antennaed travel agent said it would be the trip of a life...

    For he had proclaimed the love of a wife...

    He had assured her that the making of 250k, no matter how trite, would make everything perfectly right... 

    No thought was given to the taxes that were owed...

    Too many complications...nary a mention of value, for the labor of this toad...

    For he was blind as he grasped his papery, thorny thistle...

    And as the train blew by with barely a whistle...

    I heard the agent say hey!...can I offer you some gristle?

     

    For you my socialist toady...you shouldn't have anonymously junked it without critique...I spent all of 15 minutes on it ;-)

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 07:11 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    Still haven't refuted my comments on Upward Mobility and Personal Happiness have you? Not to mention life expectancy, child mortality rate to name a few others....

    BTW, I never junk posts....

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 10:28 | Link to Comment nmewn
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    "Still haven't refuted my comments on Upward Mobility and Personal Happiness have you?"

    Yep, them Greeks, Portuguese, Spaniards et al got all that socialism figured out don't they?

    1) Socialism stifles upward mobility by creating classes of people who become trapped by the states presumed largesse. The state has nothing that it first does not extract from producers. As the producers cut back their labor/production (as it becomes less profitable to produce because of the requirements of the state, this is taxation and/or confiscation) the inevitable decline begins.

    Bailing out banks is crony capitalism (socialism) because capitalism requires malinvestment to be destroyed (cut out of the system) for if it is not, malinvestment continues until system collapse.

    Which brings us to personal happiness.

    2) I'm sure there were many in the lower wage spectrum who were quite "happy" to have finally been able to "purchase" a new home through government sponsered programs. This would be subprime mortgages and we are talking about a slice in time for our polling analysis of their "happiness".

    What has become of these state/socialist programs? They are bankrupt. Why are they bankrupt? 

    Because the purchaser could not afford the debt and the banks who lent the money knew they could off load the mortgages as soon as they were written into "investment" tranches and sold off to the public (socialized risk) with the common knowledge the state would again step in and adopt the twin orphans of FNM/FRE should the whole thing blow up...while still collecting origination fees. They bore zero risk of capital, the state did. It was all highly regulated by the central goverment as is all banking activity. 

    Now, they (the people) have ruined credit and no house.

    You cannot have the state involved in markets. They are supposed to police the markets on the behalf of the people not make markets. 

    It is the same with healthcare. Britain's DHS is moving away from socialized medicine because of its costs to the state and its poor quality. If the best are not compensated properly they will go where they are compensated properly.

    Perhaps this is why you are so giddy about making 250k here...in America...because you could not make it anywhere else, doesn't say much for socialist societies, upward mobility or your happiness over there does it? ;-)

    Now, as my ode to you suggests, you are going to be taxed on your wages at 35%, you are also being penalized for being paid in a depreciating currency which is down around 8% YTD (because of socialist policies, read debt issuance to support entitlement programs...see 1 above)...add in SSI, Medicare, state taxes (if any) and you will make half as much as you think you do.

    Until next time...if there is one.

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    This started too close to right hand margin...

    Spain, Greece and Portugal are not fair comparisons. These countries have always been basket cases. Let's discuss Germany, France, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Switzerland and Canada. You can add Japan as well.

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    What does a sub-prime loan have to do with anything? Real Estate is not subsidized in the countries I brought up. Please explain why Canada has a higher rate of home ownership than the US.

    Now if socialism stifles the upward mobility of the masses, then how do you account for this:

    http://prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=05&year=2009&base_name=is_europe_really_have_less_upw

    The original study is here:

    http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/2/7/45002641.pdf

    Maybe chew on this for a bit:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/04/costa-rica-happy-planet-index

    or

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/lif_hap_net-lifestyle-happiness-net

    and

    http://www.happyplanetindex.org/explore/global/index.html

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    Do not confuse socialism with bad goverment policy. The U.S. is incredible at this, I mean seriously, the country motors on in spite of itself.

    Tell me how Germany with it's social democratic government can be such a powerhouse? It is, along with Japan, the preemminent manufacturer of high quality products.

    BTW, the state had better be involved in the Markets as a functioning regulator. Did you not learn anything from the past 30 years in the US? Why are the Canadian banks in such great shape? Could it be that are in effect publically regulated utilities?

    --

    Have you ever dealt with a functioning single payer health care system? I can assure you that once you do you will never want to go back. Ever have a child denied insurance because of a pre-existing condition? Ever get screwed on a claim? I waited 6 weeks for a MRI for a torn rotator cuff with a plan that cost $1800 a month while the health care bean counters grilled me on whether it was an "accident"....

    ----

    BTW, I am not giddy about making that amount and it was 5 yrs ago, I am now semi-retired. And having lived in Europe, I can assure you that my quality of life was higher when I made $95,000 a year there compared to making $105,000 a year living near Chicago or making $250,000 in Westchester.

    ---

    I have a meeting with a client in 1/2 hour. So I may not get back to you.

     

    One final note: Any use of ad hominems will constitute an admission of defeat.

     

     

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 16:52 | Link to Comment nmewn
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    When trying to discern whether to invest money or further time in anything I read from the end to the beginning...this serves me well once again;

    "One final note: Any use of ad hominems will constitute an admission of defeat."

    ROTFLMAO!!!... ground rules are established mutually, not unilaterally...and certainly not imposed on me by you.

    "BTW, I am not giddy about making that amount and it was 5 yrs ago,..."

    So, you were being a deceitful prick (as I suspected) from the very outset of our conversation when you wrote this;

    >>>I'm here because some one offered to pay me $250,000 a year and then I met someone that convinced me to stay...<<<

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-few-dollars-more-part-1#comment-1209793

    This is exactly why I hate fucking socialists...obfuscating, disingenuous, lying parasites...you made it seem as though this was your situation now while trying three times using this to extract wage information from me and yes, that's an ad hominem attack directed at you.

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 21:54 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    You loose shit head....can't even debate the points I raise, you are just another red-neck southern fucking hillbilly.... fuck you..

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:08 | Link to Comment nmewn
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    Bite me you fucking communist wannabe...you don't know what the fuck your talking about. 

    Switzerland is a capitalist economy you stupid fuck...Germany is holding the bag on the aforementioned PIGS and is thoroughly fucking screwed and they know it...Japan???...fucking Japan???...your serious???...LOL. Finland has so many geriatric fucktards like youthey will be importing young people from everywhere just to keep the fucking country from collapsing on demagraphics alone, you stupid shit. 

    France is the fucking basket case your looking for...hairy arm-pitted ugly bitches that are just now starting to shower instead of use perfume to cover their cheesy stench as their effeminate boyfriends snivel about an honest work week of what, 35 hours now?

    And all of their GDP combined would fit in a fucking tea cup...you stupid fucking asshole.

    I'm supposed to be impressed by a blizzard of absolute bullshit by a gray headed lying socialist suffering from dementia who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about?

    Get a life outside of making a pitiful spectacle out of yourself...fucking pussy.

    Sat, 04/30/2011 - 02:55 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    Face it looser, you can't debate me on the points. You are full of empty bile and hollow  soundbites. You strike me as an angry 20-something. And you know, I sympathize with you, you and your generation were fucked. Nonetheless, you do need to grow up and learn about the world.  

    Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:54 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    Oh I forget to mention that I used to work in Switzerland. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about...

    Sat, 04/30/2011 - 07:10 | Link to Comment nmewn
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    You are undoubtedly one of the dumbest fucks I have ever run across here at ZH...the major party in Switzerland is the SVP built up by Christoph Blocher, who is decidedly not a leftist, as leftists don't support laissezfaire economies and individual liberty & freedom...leftists are fucking statists like you.

    Quite the international woman of mystery ain'tcha?

    In point of fact...the one you have been conversing with a classical liberal, it is how I define myself. Myself and others like me have recoiled in horror over the years in what the democratic party has become in this country...an amalgamation of communists/socialists with a freak show of transvestite anarchists in tow...which is all fine and dandy until you impose yourself on the rest of society. The pubs ain't much better...but at least they now give the appearance of fiscal sanity & individual liberty...and I too want the Patriot Act & DHS done away with.

    Now...getting back to this mountain of fucking lies you're building up for yourself to defend...it just so happens I had an MRI done recently...the wait was one week (I could have done it the next day if I wanted, it was my choice to delay for a week)...I just had surgery based on its results (I'm at home now recuperating)...my insurance costs 250 a month which is a 20% increase over last year since ObamaCare was rammed down our throats under the guise of "social responsibility".

    So your either lying again about your MRI, costs and the reasons they didn't want to cover it or you're one of the stupidest consumers around...I'm going with the former...for now.

    You better fact check yourself before you post anymore drivel...you're going down in flames here Heinrich...LOL.

    Sat, 07/16/2011 - 10:11 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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    Several good points on both sides, but we all know that pure communism does not work, and pure capitalism does not either because capitalism is in effect a small group of parasitic individuals that exploit and destroy the masses of poor in order to create untaxed dynastic wealth for the few.  This would not be so bad as long as they do not get too greedy, but they always do and by doing so over-concentrate capital into too few hands resulting in dislocation and the end of opportunity to advance for the poor.  That is key, they ALWAYS get greedy and when the numbers of poor become large enough or angry enough the resulting blow-back will be very unpleasant.  It might be a socialist revolution, communist, vast new regulation, a wealth tax, fascism, you never know before hand but it will be something we do not like.

    Every time two or more people got together with the aim of working together, to build, to make family, to found a tribe or nation there was unequal division of work and of wealth, that is just life so get used to it.  But, when unequal division of wealth and work go beyond the personal merits of the worker or citizen to the point where they know they cannot be paid a fair share of the national income no matter how long or hard they work then they will stop working, or worse sabotage the means of production.  The denial of opportunity is to them a violation of their basic civil and human rights, there are a lot of examples around the world of what happens to a privileged class that exploits a structrual underclass, South Africa for example, and one need not attach a great deal of sentimentality to this, it is just a fact.

    One of the things that many people are missing in all of this, which surprises me because of your presumed familiarity with compounding interest, is that anytime a society allows a smaller and smaller group of people to take a larger and larger share of the national income it is in essence the same thing as compound interest.  If the wealthy do not redistribute their wealth voluntarily the people will eventually have to redistribute it for them involuntarily, some look at the underclass as rabid unwashed (and unwashable) human trash out to get them, that is also a fact, but the simple arithmetic of it is that half of our 310 million people now live in structural poverty which they cannot possibly escape through personal merit, and most of the rest while not in poverty per se also know that the barriers to wealth and a better life for their kids make their situation one where they feel they have a better chance of getting ahead from a lottery ticket then from work, clean living, and clever self application.  When a society gets to that point it is on borrowed time. 

    Sat, 07/16/2011 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    I suggest that you may want to post to a more recent thread that is current:

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-made-usa-wealth-inequality

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 21:05 | Link to Comment Freddie
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    Thanks to POS Dems like you who voted in the Islamist.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:47 | Link to Comment Texas Gunslinger
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    I have a problem with the author, and I have problem with you promoting it!

    Why would you post the planks of the Communist Manifesto? YOU COMMUNIST! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?  THIS IS AMERICA!  DAMNIT!  I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO PERVERT MY COUNTRY WITH YOUR SOCIALIST PROGRESSIVE AGENDAS! GO BACK TO RUSSIA!

    It is not surprising to me that someone who proudly berates Christians would also try to promote communism in America. 

    I never knew there were so many communists/sosialists/fascists/progressives in America.  The last two years has been a real awakening for me, and I encourage all true American patriots to get involved.  Get active. Do whatever you can (locally or nationally), because our country is under ATTACK!

    God be with us. 

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:09 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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    Since when is acknowledging somethings existence, promotion?  Your shit is so over the top now, I'm thinking you must be Hamy.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:10 | Link to Comment Freebird
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    You gotta be a happy puppy to know the Great one is "reinvesting", no...?

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:10 | Link to Comment akak
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    TG, I think you have a reading comprehension problem.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:19 | Link to Comment equity_momo
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    Dude youre actually quite funny. Are you one of the puppets from Team America?

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 19:49 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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    How did you manage to leave us fags out of your tirade?

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 22:07 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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    welcome, our newest comic relief -Texas Gunslinger. 

    Hilarious dude, keep it coming. 

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 22:22 | Link to Comment akak
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    Actually, Ned, I am feeling a bit bad now --- at first I took him/her for a troll, then as a farce, but in fact I am coming to believe that he/she is posting in all seriousness.  I'm going to back off myself.

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 00:30 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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    I'll go out on a limb here and say it's definitely "he" - and it smells suspiciously Red Neck Republicant-ish (from his early troll days, not the more recent ones before he dis-appeared). . .

    coming in full force all caps, among other little *tells* - doubt it will be around for long.

    but sure, no need to harass, trolls not fed soon get bored.

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 06:22 | Link to Comment Clancy
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    The differences are superficial.  Structurally they are identical.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:03 | Link to Comment Inspector Bird
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    Is there a differentiation between Crony Capitalism and Socialism/Communism?  No.  Ayn Rand showed how Fascism was really just Socialism.  Socialism is public ownership and management of all business.

    Fascism is private ownership and public management of all business. 

    In socialism, the state tells the company what to do and takes the profits.

    In fascism, the state tells the company what to do but lets the management keep the profit.

     

    As Rand pointed out - what's the difference?  Who keeps the money?  So what.  The point of business is to build, progress, act and react to market forces.  If management is being handled by the state, it matters little where the money is going.  In both situations the profits are accruing to a moneyed and preferred class of people - that being the only difference, and a minor one.

     

    Fact is, the US has been moderately socialist for quite some time, and becoming increasingly so in the last 40 years.   The only thing we have left from the free market is the entrepreneurial spirit and attitude, but we are taking strides to kill that as well.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:35 | Link to Comment rocker
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    Exactly, I'm not a patriot if being such means giving up my Freedoms for a false Security.

                For those deserve neither liberty or safety.

               I'm not a patriot if being such means I support Crony Capitalism and stay quiet in the face of it.

               Those my friends are thieves of our nation and should be held accountable. 

    To the bozo who thinks I'm not.  I stand in complete attention to the star spangled banner. Never Waver.

    I do not say thank you for your service to fellow comrades of the military, I honor them with respect.

    Do I think this nation has given up too much of it's Freedom.  You Bet I do.

    "We are Japan Now" means we are a lost nation who might give up decades because of the Cronies who run the FED.

    Nobody of value has gone to Jail and I'm still hopeful it will happen.

    So, to Bozo, I say watch more TV.  They will tell and expain to you how to think.   I "thinks" for myself. LOL 

     

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:03 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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    First thing we need to do is get children out of schools and back to work doing the jobs that foreigners have taken.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:32 | Link to Comment tmosley
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    I would start with government "workers" and soldiers, first.  That workforce is more than large enough to spare children from having to work (something that socialist and fascist policies will force to happen eventually).

    When there is no capital, children MUST work.  When there is capital, they don't HAVE to, and 99.999% don't.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:03 | Link to Comment DarkAgeAhead
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    the US isn't communist.  more like a corporate feudalism.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:34 | Link to Comment tmosley
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    Naw, it's more like a narco-syndicalist commune.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV4bQMI2R7w

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:37 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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    Help! I'm being repressed!

    http://youtu.be/GS_1bzaj2fw

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    I'm wondering who the "watery tart" is....

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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    It's Blythe, that moistened bint.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 18:02 | Link to Comment Bob Dobbs
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    I'm being depressed.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:38 | Link to Comment Hot Piece of Bass
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    +1

    People throw the terms "Communism" and "Fascism" around a lot without ever really bothering to know anything about them.  Ignorance abounds.  There were major distinctions between Communism in the USSR and that in Cuba or North Korea, not to mention China.  Fascism was not the same in Germany as it was in Italy.

    These are just labels.  They don't actually mean anything.  And anyone who thinks that when a government takes money from the poor to dump into banks, it is called "Communism," is horrifically misinformed.  During the Chinese communist uprising bankers were dragged into the streets and beaten... along with anyone else who "didn't support the people."

    If you want a really good example of what America is turning into you should look to 1930's Japan and the complete control of the state by the "Zaibatsu," the mega corporations of their day. (Mitsui, Mitsubishi, etc...)

    Nobody calls it fascism because it didn't have the charismatic leader like Hitler or Mussolini, but it was no less totalitarian.

    Corporate Feudalism is an excellent characterization.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:43 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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     Very well stated....

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:45 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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    It's really about tyranny. The labels are interesting mostly to those with the luxury of knowledge and education.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:45 | Link to Comment akak
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    "Statism" neatly and succinctly covers the lot.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:57 | Link to Comment Hot Piece of Bass
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    It is at least... a more inclusive category.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:36 | Link to Comment akak
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    No, our military is not a fraud --- just our aggressively interventionist, militaristic, imperialistic foreign policy that masquerades as "defense" and "humanitarian".

    As for the poster being christian, what does that have to do with anything?  I am not, nor are millions of other "patriotic" Americans, properly defined.  Not to get argumentative over religion, but after the travesty of the Bush years, I am more convinced than ever in the prophetic statement of Sinclair Lewis that "When fascism comes to America, it will be carrying a cross and wrapped in the flag."

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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    Christianity has nothing to do with it, it is simply a political tool being used to use people's "belief in God" to do the dirty work for the state.  Same with patriotism, the last refuge of a scoundrel.  Notice that "patriotism" is essentially demanded "from the people" but corporations ... ah well .. you guys do whatever you want in whatever country you want... we'll send our military to help out in a pinch in if you piss off the natives too much.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:36 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    Given your anarchist tendencies, you would agree that our military is the highest expression of "statism"? 

     

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:52 | Link to Comment akak
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    I have probably never soiled my brain in order to contemplate just exactly what the "highest" (you really mean "lowest", correct?) form of statism is, but I would tend to agree with you here.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:52 | Link to Comment tmosley
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    I can't answer for akak, but I can say that the militia is one of three major groupings of people that is vital for ANY society.  The military is a perverted form of militia, one that has been welded to the state, which is an amalgamation of law and militia itself.  We must have law, and we must have militia, but they must never be combined.

    The third branch could be called church, or town hall, or forum.  Basically any place where people can gather and discuss important issues, and co-ordinate individual actions.

    It is vitally important that none of these three pillars of society ever be combined, or you wind up with organizations that focus power on the very few--ie government, and some combinations yield very nasty forms of government.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:34 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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    Shit for brains.  So now Christianity is the litmus test for being a patriot? Why don't you define patriot for me so I can piss all over your simplicity.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:39 | Link to Comment redpill
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    I think he was being facetious, but I could be wrong.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:50 | Link to Comment akak
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    Let's hope you're right --- or else we have the new HamyWanger on our hands, a uniquely right-wing bible-thumping one at that!

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:45 | Link to Comment Texas Gunslinger
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    Another communist libtard!  Are you a homosexual, too? 

    This country was founded on the principles of Christianity, and perhaps if we hadn't drifted away from the teachings of Christ, America wouldn't be in such danger.  Donations to Christian churches are falling, while our country is falling deeper into a depression....  coincidence, or part of divine Providence?  The answer is obvious! America is not sowing seeds, so how can we expect a harvest?

    The great Revelation is coming, and you should be prepared. 

    You fight me, you fight Christ!  You're warned. 

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:46 | Link to Comment akak
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    Christ was a pussy.

    Christians are idiots who follow a pussy --- and mostly fascist sheep to boot.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:48 | Link to Comment Texas Gunslinger
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    I pray for you. May Jesus have mercy on your soul. 

    There is nothing else for me to say. 

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:53 | Link to Comment narapoiddyslexia
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    There may be nothing for you to say, but here is something for you to watch.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GS6vxb4H3M

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:55 | Link to Comment Holodomor2012
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    No one cares what that Jew thinks.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Monday1929
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    Jesus was a well known homosexual- not that there's anything wrong with that. god told me that, personally.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:07 | Link to Comment Holodomor2012
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    Not really sure who that is a dig on.  Me? Christ? Homo's?  You should think these things through more.  Remember what happened the last time god told you something and you rushed off without thinking about?  You genocided a few million Palestinians and turned a decent place into a sociopathic mind controlled kibbutzim police state.  Food for thought.

    Had to edit this because I just thought of something else.  God told you to return vegetation to the holy land.  But now you're about out of water.  Damn, you and god really need to think these things through.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/12/sea-of-galilee-drying-up/

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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    Ayn Rand was a POP philosopher; you're not supposed to take her seriously. Think Oprah.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:29 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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    Maybe so, but she must have had a crystal ball 'cause Atlas is freaking shrugging.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:38 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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    Yeah, the Xians, the Randroids, the Keynesians - they all have their gods, huh? "By their fruits shall you know them" and whatnot.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:05 | Link to Comment candyman
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    Bertran Scudder replied  "Money is the root of all evil" and the classic d'Anconia lengthy response. Classic. Time to reread chapter 2 "Arisrocracy of Pull". Then the party ends with Francisco's comments about the mine.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:54 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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    If you want to edit your posts AFTER they've been up, please mark them "edited".  But don't worry, I captured your original quote just downthread.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:14 | Link to Comment akak
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    I pray for you. May Jesus have mercy on your soul. 

    There is nothing else for me to say.

    Don't bother wasting your time.

    I am a Pastafarian, and pray to the one TRUE god, the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster, meatballs be upon him:

    http://www.venganza.org/
    "He was boiled for your sins."
    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:19 | Link to Comment theopco
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    You are not alone my brother

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:29 | Link to Comment piceridu
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    I have to disagree with your choice of god, I pray to Joe Pesci.

    Praise be to Joe

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:34 | Link to Comment akak
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    There is no fundamental contradiction here, as Joe Pesci, being Italian, is one of the many demigods of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, meatballs be upon him, and is also worthy of devotion.

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 02:45 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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    May he wave his noodly appendages at us all! :>D

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:37 | Link to Comment tmosley
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    "Whatever you want, Leo GETZ!"

    Get it?  Catchy, ain't it?

    Joe goes by many names.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:45 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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    I worship Bob. He will cut me some slack. Chop it up into a line.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:30 | Link to Comment PianoRacer
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    Perhaps you all are homosexuals?

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:30 | Link to Comment akak
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    Only those who cyberstalk tmosley --- they find his gruff masculine charm irresistible.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:45 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    And I thought it was his phermones...

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:35 | Link to Comment Blotsky
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    ... You say your a Christian, yet you swear.

        You say your a Christian, yet you lose your temper.

        You say all of these things and yet forget the the word Christian means "Christ like"

        Youve proven yourself to be anything but.

     

        Sorry about T.G's childishness. It makes others look bad.

     

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:37 | Link to Comment Blotsky
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    You say your a Christian, yet you swear.
    You say your a Christian, yet you lose your temper.
    You say all of these things and yet forget the the word Christian means "Christ like"
    Youve proven yourself to be anything but.

    Sorry about T.G's childishness. It makes others look bad.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:30 | Link to Comment falak pema
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    Don't say anything just shoot his eye balls out...

    that is not a colt talking straight from the hip for once...besides Jesus always turned the other cheek even to cheeky blasphemous akaks as to all rat-a-tat artists that Caesar or his ghost ever sent to Palestine. 

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:54 | Link to Comment Holodomor2012
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    Christ had chutzpah! He stuffed the Jews into a box for 1500 years.  Those were happy times.  It's about time for an encore appearance.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:00 | Link to Comment Magnix
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    Im a texan, I used to be street-figher, drug users, and almost die of over-dosed using Heroin. I accepted Jesus Christ as a personal savior. Christ have saved my life and guided me a better life. Here am I, married to my beautiful wife and three kids. It aint pussy to go through this crap!

    I pray for you.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 18:02 | Link to Comment falak pema
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    pussy is that pussy kisses...peace on all pussy lovers

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 01:12 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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    I used to be a wizard, a homsexual tolerator, a liar, a cheat and I almost died of a crystal meth overdose. But now I live in a 1950's delusion of leave it to beaver and am totally clean. Don't believe the hype there is a cure for crystal meth addiction other than death.

    It's not important that the world is full of fuckheads. It's just important that people believe that jesus can magically turn them around. And don't worry he won't ever leave you because he's a really good stalker.

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 02:50 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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    Enjoy your stay in Pleasantville -- it's a bit like the Hotel California...

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:00 | Link to Comment Creed
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    you have no idea what you're talking about

     

    hubris, gonna getcha

     

    by akak
    on Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:46
    #1217373

     

    Christ was a pussy.

    Christians are idiots who follow a pussy --- and mostly fascist sheep to boot.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:45 | Link to Comment akak
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    Repent, all ye blasphemers and infidels, or suffer the mighty wrath and eternal damnation of the one TRUE god of the holy Pastafarian Church, the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster, meatballs be upon him!

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 22:16 | Link to Comment piceridu
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    Buon appetito oh great Akak, apostle of the Pastafarian Church; fellow worshiper of the Great Flying Spaghetti Monster. 

    Meatballs be upon you always and forever, Amen and pass the Reggiano Parmigiano.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 22:30 | Link to Comment akak
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    And may the Great FSP grace you with the touch of his divine Noodly Appendage, forever and ever, ramen.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:48 | Link to Comment tmosley
    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:18 | Link to Comment Texas Gunslinger
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    What is wrong with you damn people? I'm a Christian, and I will NOT apologize for it. You work for the devil, and your life will unfold accordingly. 

    Since when is being a Christian in America the same as being a troll?  Can someone please explain when that change occurred?  What has happened to this country? When did this country became littered with atheists and libtards who openly berate Christianity?    

    Obviously, none of you know nothing about history - America was founded on, and continues to be a CHRISTIAN NATION!  That ain't something you gonna change, you devil worshipping lost soul!

    This is so sad.  It really is. And there should be no doubt why this country has totally fallen out of God's favor.  American needs to return to her roots before hell washes over us.  

    May Jesus have mercy on all of us, if it isn't too late.  

     

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:26 | Link to Comment cossack55
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    If you research the founding fathers past Glenn Beck, you may find that most of them were Deists. They preferred REASON to jingoism.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:17 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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    Reason is evil I tell ya.

    "I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."


    "I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few."
    "It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge."

    -Adolf Hitler quotes

     

     

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 18:02 | Link to Comment falak pema
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    Hitler knew his faith in mein kampf he showed it in Auschwitz...difficult indeed to fight against faith like that once you've tasted gas!

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 20:00 | Link to Comment Holodomor2012
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    The only gas they tasted was the flatulence of a notoriously gassy people.

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 02:45 | Link to Comment Founders Keeper
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    [If you research the founding fathers past Glenn Beck, you may find that most of them were Deists. They preferred REASON to jingoism.]---cossack55

    Unfortunately, cossack55, you are incorrect. That nonsense about our Founders being Deists is the same Progressive crap I was taught in US schools.

    In fact, you'd be shocked to learn many of them were ministers!Almost ALL of them were prayerful, scripture reading, devout church going folk of various Christian sects. ALL local, state, and later federal government meetings began with looooonnnnngggg prayers.

    When one says this is a "Christian Nation" this should be taken only to mean the moral glue that binds our fragile society under a constitutional framework is individuals conducting themselves along the lines of the fundamental teachings of Christ and the Bible, e.g. 10 commandments, love, forgiveness, selflessness, etc. etc. At least that was the hope of our Founders. Without that "moral glue" our Founders feared our Republic would not stand long.

    What our Founders placed ahead of REASON was God and virtue. 

     

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:24 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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    I thought you said there was nothing else for you to say.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:31 | Link to Comment goldfreak
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    this guy is not a Christian, he's just jerking your chain. Or he was sent by the Atheist club to make christians look idiotesque

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:31 | Link to Comment akak
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    You are either a superb satirist, or else you inadvertently stumbled into this forum on your way over to RedState or a Mike Huckleberry fundraiser.  Religion essentially plays NO part in the debate here, nor should it, and if you want to wear your chosen mythology on your sleeve, I suggest you might be more comfortable elsewhere.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 22:10 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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    TG is strictly pulling your legs -  hilarious. 

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 00:43 | Link to Comment Cathartes Aura
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    . . . ayup, I'm getting a strong whiff of the ole Republicant - one of the better trolls the Hedge has attracted. . . we shall see.

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 01:16 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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    Cathartes Aura's have good sense of smell.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:30 | Link to Comment JohnG
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    KKK much?

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:32 | Link to Comment Holodomor2012
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    Actually it was a man named Haym Solomon who bought that revolution.  Certainly not a Christian sounding name.  Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on most points - but this country wasn't founded by Christian planners - just with Christian blood and sweat.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 22:11 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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    Homyr Sympson was his name

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:45 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    Jesus may love you but everyone else think's you are an asshole...

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:58 | Link to Comment Texas Gunslinger
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    Matthew 5:10-12

    Happy are those who have been persecuted for righteousness’ sake, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.....Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.

    I don't need your approval if I have Christ in my heart.  

     

     

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:13 | Link to Comment Hot Piece of Bass
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    Why do you goofballs have to always make us Texans look bad?

    I'm a Texan... I'm not a democrat... and I am not at all like this idiot!

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:26 | Link to Comment akak
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    ...And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O LORD, bless this Thy hand grenade that with it Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits, in Thy mercy." And the LORD did grin and the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths and carp and anchovies and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats and large .... And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." Amen

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 19:37 | Link to Comment Hot Piece of Bass
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    Win!

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 18:07 | Link to Comment falak pema
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    you have colts that don't talk...that's bad for a son of John Wayne

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 18:27 | Link to Comment knowless
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    you aren't righteous. and there is no heaven except the life you create on earth.

    but for the record, I do enjoy the consistancy of your act.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 22:13 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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    Whose name does Jesus Christ yell out when he's pissed off? 

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Monday1929
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    Shhhh. You will wake up all the "joo" haters on ZH.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Spastica Rex
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    Obviously, none of you know nothing about history

    That should be:

    Obviously, none of you know anything about history

    Unless, of course, you are using Anglo Saxon conventions with double negatives.

    Your character is a little obvious.

    Peace be with you!

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:32 | Link to Comment Freebird
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    Deleted. Too much fun.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 17:43 | Link to Comment W T Effington
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    A nation cannot be Christian. A nation is an arbitrary geographical political entity. The Christian walk is personal walk. If God moves in your heart you must respond on an individual bases. Legislated morality simply hardens peoples hearts because they behave morally out of fear of punishment, not because they love the Lord. Just because a nation is generally wicked does not mean they will necessarily be punished through loss of prosperity. Look at history, Some wicked men prospered, some righteous men struggled. If you read the Bible then you will realize that this life is not about power or prosperity. God is not a genie for you to manipulate in order to get prosperity.

    And nobody asked you to apoligize for being a Christian. You are not being called a Troll because of your Faith. You are being called a Troll because you are ignorant and picking fights.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 18:13 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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    Very nicely stated...

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Texas Gunslinger
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    I must say, I sincerely regret the direction that this conversation has gone.  It was not my intention in the first place.  I get angry when I see unpatriotic Americans slandering Jesus Christ.  That's just me, and I will always be like that.  The fact that this happened on my first day of posting here is regrettable, but I will always stand in Christ's defense - from my first day to my last. 

    I respectfully disagree with your claim that a "nation cannot be Christian."  A nation is a group of people, and the American nation was suppose to be - from the beginning - a nation of Christians.  At some point this changed, and I don't know when.  We seem to be a nation of pagans, and/or people who tolerate these pagans without doing a damn thing about it.  

    And I firmly believe the fact that Christianity is openly mocked and ridiculed in America plays a role in our economic collapse.  When you lose Christ in your life, you lose your rudder.  And, speaking in metaphors, America has lost her rudder. 

    God be with you, me, and those remaining souls who don't think it's trendy to mock the Lord.  

     

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 19:11 | Link to Comment akak
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    Please take your Jesusfish and shove it up your ass.

    I would normally have responded more respectfully to a newcomer, or to almost anyone, but the arrogant and aggressive manner in which you barged into this forum (much like the aggressively militaristic statism that you undoubtedly espouse) leaves me feeling little regret for taking a similar tack with you.

    You are completely historically ignorant, and hopelessly clueless on the intellectual and moral foundations of this nation, if you believe that "the American nation was suppose to be - from the beginning - a nation of Christians."  It may surprise you to learn that this nation was actually founded on the principle of LIBERTY, not theocratic authoritarianism as you would have it.  The fact that it was founded with a largely christian population is about as irrelevant to its true moral underpinnings --- which were derived from Enlightenment humanist philosophy, rather than intolerant medieval theocracy --- as are the facts that it was founded primarily by white, male, Protestant, European descendants who spoke English, infrequently bathed, drank cider, and had brown hair.

    Christianity is just another mythology, like Hinduism or Islam or Zoroastrianism or Mithraism (the latter two from which the Constantine-created Christian church took many of its basic concepts, by the way), and will wither and disappear in the course of history just as many of those other mythologies did.  Organized, authoritarian religion is but an emotional crutch and an intellectual poison, a presumptive spiritual dictatorship, retarding and perverting man's progress towards true enlightenment.

    I hope that one day you will realize that your omnipotent and invisible, loving yet vengeful sky god, and the religion created around it, is just more collectivist brainwashing, allowing you to be taken advantage of by sociopaths whose only goal is the exercise of power over the ignorant masses --- but I doubt it; your mind is clearly too weak and/or atrophied to dare stand on its own.

    Now let the junkings begin --- I will consider each one a badge of honor.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 19:32 | Link to Comment Texas Gunslinger
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    You seem like a very evil person, full of hatred and sin.  Yet the Lord is willing to forgive you, if you open your heart to him. And REPENT! 

    I suspect, though, you are too far gone for this to happen. I will pray for you tonight, and I will forward this correspondence to my pastor so that he might do a supernatural intervention, which we do for those clutched by the devil's talons and unable to attend our church to ask for forgiveness. We do this for those on death row and for those terrorists who do not understand the consequences of their actions. 

    Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.  But one thing is certain: the Lord will find out about this later tonight. 

     

     

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 19:58 | Link to Comment akak
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    Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.  But one thing is certain: the Lord will find out about this later tonight. 

    LOL!  Shouldn't the omnipotent and omniscient Lord our God already know what is written here, and have known what was in my mind and my heart before I even set fingers to keyboard, and without your telepathic broadcasts later this evening?

    Thank you for your almost over-the-top parody of Boobus americanus, and for the satirical role you adopted here --- it was very well played!  You had me sucked in there for a good while, but I now finally see through your excellent but ultimately transparent acting abilities to the reality of the situation, and the farce that is your "outrage".

    I look forward to more episodes of your theater-of-the-not-quite-but-almost-absurd.

     

    PS: I did not junk your posts --- such glorious satire is a work of art!

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 20:08 | Link to Comment EscapeKey
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    You know, akak, you and tmosley are two of my favourite posters here when you're on topic, but I wish both of you would stick more to the topic at hand, and less at slinging mud.

    You're wasting not just your own time, but also everyone elses, by lowering yourself to the levels of trolls.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 20:14 | Link to Comment akak
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    Thanks Escape, and yes, I do somewhat regret having gotten dragged into this whole sidetrack on this thread.  Sometimes, it does not become obvious just how sidetracked a thread is getting, or has gotten, until much later.

    And I will admit, some of my responses to this TexasGunslinger were more in the line of goading after I had come to assume that he/she was antagonistically trolling here.  Now, I am inclined to believe that it was all just a farce, and that he/she was not in fact posting at face value.

    My apologies for a less than stellar performance.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 23:22 | Link to Comment Alienated Serf
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    go easy on yourself akak.  there is nothing wrong with occaisonally drubbing a troll, especially when done with wit.

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 00:01 | Link to Comment WonderDawg
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    Yeah, wit is good. Missing in akak's case, but still, wit is good.

    Why is it akak and trollmosley seem to travel together? One of them's always getting into an off-topic argument with someone, and the other pops in to defend the one getting verbally bitch-slapped. It's like clockwork.

    Cueing t-mo in 3...2...1...

     

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 19:53 | Link to Comment boiltherich
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    People like you are the reason we have seperation of church and state, and mental hospitals.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 21:11 | Link to Comment NuckingFuts
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    TG- you have been a member for five fucking days.  Shut the fuck up, read and try to learn from others.  If this forum is not to your liking get the fuck out and close the door behind you.

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 22:14 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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    (man, what is this dude doing here if he's not kidding around?) I think he meant to type in zeroatheists.com

     

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 18:19 | Link to Comment fuu
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    Fred Phelps is that you?

     

    Surprised you could work the capcha.

    Fri, 04/29/2011 - 02:52 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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    Faith without works is dead, go forth and alleviate some suffering:  http://www.worldvision.org

     

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 16:34 | Link to Comment ZapBranigan
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    @TM: Dude, honestly, why are you taking the bait on such a ridiculous, non-financial topic.  We need you to save your fightin' energy for Dangerdick, MethHead, and the rest of their ilk. 

    @TG:  You're brand new to ZH, so you get a pass this time, but listen very carefully: This is not the site for topics like yours, please take it elsewhere.  If you would like to discuss markets, then please do so.

     

    It's retarded shit like this that really detracts from the quality of the site.

     

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 20:31 | Link to Comment Hot Piece of Bass
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    +1

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 15:53 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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    There's no need to argue with you, you can lose an argument without having an opponent.  Apparently you're new here if you think I'm a "communist libtard", so I'll cut you some slack and let you continue with your inane ranting.  Now run along, you can still catch the second hour of Hannity.

    "A fight with me, is a fight with Christ, Himself!"

    Over the top Hubris, Bitchez!

    Thu, 04/28/2011 - 21:19 | Link to Comment NuckingFuts
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    Over the top Hubris, Bitchez!

     

    + infinity for you CC, well said.  Hopefully asshole takes the hint.  I seem to remember something about about 'judge not, lest yea be judged'.  Read the book dimb shit.  (for TG; not you of course Colonel, you seem to be one of the sane ones)

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