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More Attacks On Online Free Speech? Justice Department Subpoenas Site's Visitors IP Addresses

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Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:58 | 127125 bugs_
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Oh great the EFF.  Good luck with that Kristina.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:13 | 127417 tip e. canoe
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bugs, curious, what's wrong with the EFF? 

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 18:23 | 127631 Cheeky Bastard
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Fatwa on you for invoking a miserable outcome ....

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 21:09 | 127834 Anonymous
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Well come back! Where have you been? I'm missing the promised daily European update.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:05 | 127136 Mad Max
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I suspect this will turn out to actually be a local prosecutor overstepping his bounds.  However, the W. Bush regime set the tone for this sort of thing, and the Obama regime has done absolutely zilch to change that tone for the better.

Thanks ZH for posting a PDF of the subpoena.  I've seen this story several other places but none had the actual subpoena.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:26 | 127526 Anonymous
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Well, surprise surprise, U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison is a Bush appointee. In fact, last time I checked, all the current U.S. Attorneys are still Bush appointees, owing to the fact that certain Senators are blocking any confirmation attempts for their replacements. Historically, custom has all U.S. Attorneys present their resignations at the change of administrations. This last time, not only did that not happen, but at least one threatened not to go even if fired.

So, yeah, Obama and pals aren't doing much in terms of wielding the broom, but there is also unprecedented obstruction going on.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 19:59 | 127755 Rainman
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Damn, politics is quite the blood sport. Rogue soldiers fragging the new General. Whoodathunkit ??

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 20:40 | 127799 Mad Max
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Just got around to looking at the subpoena.  Not only is the above correct, I believe, but the subpoena was issued 3 days after Obama took office.  I don't see this particular abuse having anything to do with the Obama administration.

Thu, 11/12/2009 - 07:32 | 128260 TumblingDice
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So hard to get things done with a supermajority.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 22:18 | 127901 boooyaaaah
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You said something bad about obama

You said zilch

You are on the list

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:09 | 127141 E pluribus unum
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It appears that Eric Holder has about the same degree of competence as Little Timmy Geithner. I can't wait till these guys take over my heathcare too.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:15 | 127307 mitack
Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:13 | 127147 lsbumblebee
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I couldn't find any mention of this on their website. I wonder why 6-25-08 is so interesting to the fascists.

Thu, 11/12/2009 - 05:40 | 128225 Anonymous
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fyi, 6/25/08 was a massive mobilization for the Obama campaign staffers in all 50 states for the general. Hillary had just given up and there was a push to get everyone in place by 7/1 so a huge amount of hiring and transfer of personnel went on that week. probably unrelated.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:17 | 127153 bugs_
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Anyone who thinks this is new or that
it dates from the Bush administration
or that they are safe offshore has not
been paying attention. 

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:47 | 127263 Anonymous
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Thank you. You are absolutely correct. Forget Bush vs. O. Google NWO, CFR, Bohemian Grove, Creature from Jekyll Island. This has been going on for a long, long time. Both Dems and Reps bow to the owl. Wake up, America.

PS: I am using an IP address spoof, so fuck off, Justice

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:22 | 127160 justrichard
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Indymedia.org can be an interesting source of alternative perspectives.  Though not exactly the last bastion of capitalist theology (thanks ZH), they do cover often ignored stories like the murder of journalist Bradley Will and their passion seems to be fueled by notions of fairness, transparency and justice.  Worth a look...

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:24 | 127161 mdtrader
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Anonymity & internet, that's an oxymoron.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:23 | 127162 Anonymous
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keep updating... I want to know where this goes. Could be the unleashing of the Justice Department on the internet. THERE WOULD BE NO STOPPING IT!!!

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:24 | 127165 Anonymous
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Everyone peel the onion. Go long Tor proxies and encryption.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:28 | 127168 Rainman
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This will be an easy fix for our gubmint masters. Simply change those pesky, long-standing Justice Department guidelines on media subpoenas and force the Supreme Court to sort it out.

After all, this is the administration of " change ", ain't it ??

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:34 | 127177 docj
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And "hope", too.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:29 | 127169 tradertim
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TD..u won't give them my IP address when they come after u next will u??

should i start using www.hide-my-ip.com software on this site?

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:26 | 127242 Anonymous
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tyler is cool. he would never give any of us up even if the jack booted thugs stuck a cold steel revolver barrel up against his temple and pulled the hammer back...:)

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 22:25 | 127908 Miyagi_san
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The best way is a buyout with a gag order and non compete. Then were all bitches to the man ...I believe they already have a profile on me and many others. Starve the beast and the meek shall inherit the earth.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:30 | 127171 Catullus
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You are hereby commanded...

"I understand that this is voluntary on my part and I may appear before the Grand Jury with expenses paid as provided by United States statues."


Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:51 | 127195 WaterWings
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"Send the bill to uncle Bennie if you don't like it!"

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:45 | 127175 Oxytan
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Warning signs ... warning signs.

Liechtenstein heh?  Glad to see once again that ZH is thinking several moves ahead in the chess game.  Seems like you are aware of what happens when TSHTF.  Kudos to Marla and Ty.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:34 | 127178 ptoemmes
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Perhaps we should take a moment to remember the USA veterans both passed on and still alive (as the day in the USA is intended) - but other countries as well - who have never questioned orders and fought to preserve the freedom of speech along with so many other of our freedoms.  Freedoms that seem to be under increasing attack each day from the creeping "corporatism" (no one word can describe the rot) that infects our country.

As soldiers you did not and do not question orders even if those orders send you in harms way to engage in conflicts that may not be worthy of the term war.  You have my unyielding gratitude even if I disagree with the politicians whose actions result in the harm you find yourselves placed in.

A special salute to all the ZH veterans.




Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:57 | 127201 Anonymous
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as a soldier you do not question orders? what kind of tripe is that? you take a oath to the constitution of the united states? have you ever read it?

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:18 | 127429 nicholsong
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as a soldier you do not question orders? what kind of tripe is that? you take a oath to the constitution of the united states? have you ever read it?

...Apparently hasn't read the UCMJ either.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:39 | 127185 Anonymous
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I've just got to say that I find this totally outrageous. People don't realize how badly their rights are being trampled because they don't bother to be informed. This is a nation of complete idiots run by liars and criminals.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:46 | 127188 WaterWings
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I bet this is the tip of the iceberg. TD, ya gonna give us a heads up if they try to gag you? I'm glad I haven't posted my Social Security number on this site. Whew. Yet.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:48 | 127189 Unscarred
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With all of the information being disseminated by ZH, does anyone want to set an over/under line for how many weeks before Tyler and ZH receive a "Season's Greetings" from the DOJ?  I suppose you know that you're doing your job when people try to shut you up.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:28 | 127529 gmrpeabody
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Actually, ZH is doing THEIR job! (THEIR being the DOJ, the f--king losers)


Thu, 11/12/2009 - 00:58 | 128020 Unscarred
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Great point.  So, if one man (Tyler Durden) is able to perform the task of the entire DOJ, then what the hell do we have to look forward to when Obamacare takes up 21%+ of our entire economy?

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:50 | 127194 Fish Gone Bad
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The subpoena brings up an interesting question.  If you get subpoena'd from across the nation and you can not afford the cost of travel, what happens then?

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:07 | 127213 Rainman
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Then justice will be served by the Traveling Judge, just as it was in the Frontier Days. Da Judge will come to town , work through 400 computer perp cases, then move on to the next town. Takes time, but it is efficient.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:01 | 127204 Gordon_Gekko
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Is there ANY doubt left in anyone's mind at this point that the United States is nothing but an open-air PRISON.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:28 | 127227 Leo Kolivakis
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And when wasn't it an open air prison?!? The late George Carlin had a great skit on the American Dream which was taken off YouTube. If you can find it, please post it here. It's an absolute must watch. He said it best, "it's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it". Where is the ACLU when you really need them???

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:38 | 127352 MinnesotaNice
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That was just great... everyone should see that at least once...

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 23:31 | 127950 Anonymous
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+1 for great justice

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:45 | 127260 Gordon_Gekko
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"it's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it"

Truer words were never spoken.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:32 | 127540 gmrpeabody
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The ACLU...! Why, they are the advisors to the warden.



Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:24 | 127241 Anonymous
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hey gordon,

it always has been, just a matter of degree....

freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose..
janis joplin...

get rid of the damn fed and watch as the world gets a new lease on life........it is just that simple.....

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:51 | 127270 Gordon_Gekko
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Well, it is of the highest degree in America now. You can't fucking lift a finger without breaking a "law" of some sort these days.

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:42 | 127360 Anonymous
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you think its bad now? wait until they pass the carbon tax...

Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:25 | 127436 nicholsong
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Ever seen Brazil?  There's a great scene where Harry Tuttle says "Now they got the whole country sectioned off with paperwork; can't make a move without a form."  He says this as he is being pursued as a terrorist for his freelance heating engineer ways.

Ah, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNFuySgwQ30

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