• Reggie Middleton
    02/09/2010 - 05:12
    The levered assets of the banks in many Euro-sovereign nations easily outstrip those nations' GDP's. So when the nations' banks get in trouble from bad banking practices (and a very large swath have), the nations themselves are helpless in attempting to truly save the banks (and instead only institute a bait and switch wherein private default risk/insolvency potential is swapped for public manifestations of the same).
  • madhedgefundtrader
    02/09/2010 - 07:22
    The rug may about to be pulled out from under the market. The onslaught of contradictory news coming out of Washington is wearing the market down. An exclusive interview with Andrew Horowitz of The Disciplined Investor.

More Attacks On Online Free Speech? Justice Department Subpoenas Site's Visitors IP Addresses

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CBS reports that the Justice department has submitted a subpoena request to Indymedia.us demanding the site turn over all reader visit details on June 25, 2008. Furthermore, the Justice Department had demanded that the site do so without even disclosing the existence of the subpoena. Without even bringing up the question of just how far into the "1984" rabbit hole our society has gone based on this development, this situation raises numerous questions about the anonymity of not only Internet browsing (at least that based in the US), but the transacting in visitor records behind the scenes. If this one case has made it to the public, one wonders how many other comparable gag order-cum-subpoeans the Justice Department has sent out to other websites?

Just who is this Indymedia? According to CBS it is a left-of-center amalgamation of journalists and advocates that – according to their principles of unity and mission statement – work toward "promoting social and economic justice" and "social change."

More from CBS:

"I didn't think anything we were doing was worthy of any (federal) attention," [Kristina Clair, a 34-year old Linux administrator living in Philadelphia who provides free server space for Indymedia.us] said in a telephone interview with CBSNews.com on Monday. After talking to other Indymedia volunteers, Clair ended up calling the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco, which represented her at no cost.

Under long-standing Justice Department guidelines, subpoenas to members of the news media are supposed to receive special treatment. One portion of the guidelines, for instance, says that "no subpoena may be issued to any member of the news media" without "the express authorization of the attorney general" – that would be current attorney general Eric Holder – and subpoenas should be "directed at material information regarding a limited subject matter."

And the following odd development:

Lucy Dalglish, the executive director of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of The Press, said a gag order to a news organization wouldn't stand up in court: "If you get a subpoena and you're a journalist, they can't gag you."

Dalglish said that a subpoena being issued and withdrawn is not unprecedented. "I have seen any number of these things withdrawn when counsel for someone who is claiming a reporter's privilege says, 'Can you tell me the date you got approval from the attorney general's office'... I'm willing to chalk this up to bad lawyering on the part of the DOJ, or just not thinking."

Making this investigation more mysterious is that Indymedia.us is an aggregation site, meaning articles that appear on it were published somewhere else first, and there's no hint about what sparked the criminal probe. Clair, the system administrator, says that no IP (Internet Protocol) addresses are recorded for Indymedia.us, and non-IP address logs are kept for a few weeks and then discarded.

And this is where the story gets a little surreal, courtesy of an update from CBS:

A Justice Department official familiar with this subpoena just told me that the attorney general's office never saw it and that it had not been submitted to the department's headquarters in Washington, D.C. for review. If that's correct, it suggests that U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison and Assistant U.S. Attorney Doris Pryor did not follow department regulations requiring the "express authorization of the attorney general" for media subpoenas -- and it means that neither Attorney General Eric Holder nor Acting Attorney General Mark Filip were involved. I wouldn't be surprised to see an internal investigation by the Office of Professional Responsibility; my source would not confirm or deny that.

Whether or not this is an example of the administration flagrantly ignoring proper legal procedure, or someone in charge believing they have a little more power than the Constitution afforded them, will presumably soon be made clear. Yet, we hope for the sake of their readers, that other comparable borderline-activist websites have sufficient protections to stand up to this form of bullying. There is a reason Zero Hedge maintains and operates its infrastructure entirely overseas.

Full subpoena:

 

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by bugs_
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 11:58
#127125

Oh great the EFF.  Good luck with that Kristina.

by tip e. canoe
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:13
#127417

bugs, curious, what's wrong with the EFF? 

by Andy Dufresne
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:04
#127133

here comes ZH Tyler, run!

by Cheeky Bastard
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:23
#127631

Fatwa on you for invoking a miserable outcome ....

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 20:09
#127834

Well come back! Where have you been? I'm missing the promised daily European update.

by Mad Max
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:05
#127136

I suspect this will turn out to actually be a local prosecutor overstepping his bounds.  However, the W. Bush regime set the tone for this sort of thing, and the Obama regime has done absolutely zilch to change that tone for the better.

Thanks ZH for posting a PDF of the subpoena.  I've seen this story several other places but none had the actual subpoena.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:26
#127526

Well, surprise surprise, U.S. Attorney Tim Morrison is a Bush appointee. In fact, last time I checked, all the current U.S. Attorneys are still Bush appointees, owing to the fact that certain Senators are blocking any confirmation attempts for their replacements. Historically, custom has all U.S. Attorneys present their resignations at the change of administrations. This last time, not only did that not happen, but at least one threatened not to go even if fired.

So, yeah, Obama and pals aren't doing much in terms of wielding the broom, but there is also unprecedented obstruction going on.

by Rainman
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 18:59
#127755

Damn, politics is quite the blood sport. Rogue soldiers fragging the new General. Whoodathunkit ??

by Mad Max
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 19:40
#127799

Just got around to looking at the subpoena.  Not only is the above correct, I believe, but the subpoena was issued 3 days after Obama took office.  I don't see this particular abuse having anything to do with the Obama administration.

by TumblingDice
on Thu, 11/12/2009 - 06:32
#128260

So hard to get things done with a supermajority.

by boooyaaaah
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 21:18
#127901

You said something bad about obama

You said zilch

You are on the list

by E pluribus unum
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:09
#127141

It appears that Eric Holder has about the same degree of competence as Little Timmy Geithner. I can't wait till these guys take over my heathcare too.

by mitack
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:15
#127307

by lsbumblebee
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:13
#127147

I couldn't find any mention of this on their website. I wonder why 6-25-08 is so interesting to the fascists.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 11/12/2009 - 04:40
#128225

fyi, 6/25/08 was a massive mobilization for the Obama campaign staffers in all 50 states for the general. Hillary had just given up and there was a push to get everyone in place by 7/1 so a huge amount of hiring and transfer of personnel went on that week. probably unrelated.

by bugs_
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:17
#127153

Anyone who thinks this is new or that
it dates from the Bush administration
or that they are safe offshore has not
been paying attention. 

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:47
#127263

Thank you. You are absolutely correct. Forget Bush vs. O. Google NWO, CFR, Bohemian Grove, Creature from Jekyll Island. This has been going on for a long, long time. Both Dems and Reps bow to the owl. Wake up, America.

PS: I am using an IP address spoof, so fuck off, Justice

by justrichard
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:22
#127160

Indymedia.org can be an interesting source of alternative perspectives.  Though not exactly the last bastion of capitalist theology (thanks ZH), they do cover often ignored stories like the murder of journalist Bradley Will and their passion seems to be fueled by notions of fairness, transparency and justice.  Worth a look...

by mdtrader
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:24
#127161

Anonymity & internet, that's an oxymoron.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:23
#127162

keep updating... I want to know where this goes. Could be the unleashing of the Justice Department on the internet. THERE WOULD BE NO STOPPING IT!!!

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:24
#127165

Everyone peel the onion. Go long Tor proxies and encryption.

by Rainman
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:28
#127168

This will be an easy fix for our gubmint masters. Simply change those pesky, long-standing Justice Department guidelines on media subpoenas and force the Supreme Court to sort it out.

After all, this is the administration of " change ", ain't it ??

by docj
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:34
#127177

And "hope", too.

by tradertim
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:29
#127169

TD..u won't give them my IP address when they come after u next will u??

should i start using www.hide-my-ip.com software on this site?

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:26
#127242

tyler is cool. he would never give any of us up even if the jack booted thugs stuck a cold steel revolver barrel up against his temple and pulled the hammer back...:)

by Miyagi_san
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 21:25
#127908

The best way is a buyout with a gag order and non compete. Then were all bitches to the man ...I believe they already have a profile on me and many others. Starve the beast and the meek shall inherit the earth.

by Catullus
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:30
#127171

You are hereby commanded...

"I understand that this is voluntary on my part and I may appear before the Grand Jury with expenses paid as provided by United States statues."

 

by WaterWings
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:51
#127195

"Send the bill to uncle Bennie if you don't like it!"

by Oxytan
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:45
#127175

Warning signs ... warning signs.

Liechtenstein heh?  Glad to see once again that ZH is thinking several moves ahead in the chess game.  Seems like you are aware of what happens when TSHTF.  Kudos to Marla and Ty.

by ptoemmes
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:34
#127178

Perhaps we should take a moment to remember the USA veterans both passed on and still alive (as the day in the USA is intended) - but other countries as well - who have never questioned orders and fought to preserve the freedom of speech along with so many other of our freedoms.  Freedoms that seem to be under increasing attack each day from the creeping "corporatism" (no one word can describe the rot) that infects our country.

As soldiers you did not and do not question orders even if those orders send you in harms way to engage in conflicts that may not be worthy of the term war.  You have my unyielding gratitude even if I disagree with the politicians whose actions result in the harm you find yourselves placed in.

A special salute to all the ZH veterans.

 

Pete

 

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:57
#127201

as a soldier you do not question orders? what kind of tripe is that? you take a oath to the constitution of the united states? have you ever read it?

by nicholsong
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:18
#127429

as a soldier you do not question orders? what kind of tripe is that? you take a oath to the constitution of the united states? have you ever read it?

...Apparently hasn't read the UCMJ either.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:39
#127185

I've just got to say that I find this totally outrageous. People don't realize how badly their rights are being trampled because they don't bother to be informed. This is a nation of complete idiots run by liars and criminals.

by WaterWings
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:46
#127188

I bet this is the tip of the iceberg. TD, ya gonna give us a heads up if they try to gag you? I'm glad I haven't posted my Social Security number on this site. Whew. Yet.

by Unscarred
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:48
#127189

With all of the information being disseminated by ZH, does anyone want to set an over/under line for how many weeks before Tyler and ZH receive a "Season's Greetings" from the DOJ?  I suppose you know that you're doing your job when people try to shut you up.

by gmrpeabody
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:28
#127529

Actually, ZH is doing THEIR job! (THEIR being the DOJ, the f--king losers)

 

by Unscarred
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 23:58
#128020

Great point.  So, if one man (Tyler Durden) is able to perform the task of the entire DOJ, then what the hell do we have to look forward to when Obamacare takes up 21%+ of our entire economy?

by Fish Gone Bad
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 12:50
#127194

The subpoena brings up an interesting question.  If you get subpoena'd from across the nation and you can not afford the cost of travel, what happens then?

by Rainman
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:07
#127213

Then justice will be served by the Traveling Judge, just as it was in the Frontier Days. Da Judge will come to town , work through 400 computer perp cases, then move on to the next town. Takes time, but it is efficient.

by Gordon_Gekko
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:01
#127204

Is there ANY doubt left in anyone's mind at this point that the United States is nothing but an open-air PRISON.

by Leo Kolivakis
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:28
#127227

And when wasn't it an open air prison?!? The late George Carlin had a great skit on the American Dream which was taken off YouTube. If you can find it, please post it here. It's an absolute must watch. He said it best, "it's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it". Where is the ACLU when you really need them???

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:39
#127255

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q&feature=related

by MinnesotaNice
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:38
#127352

That was just great... everyone should see that at least once...

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 22:31
#127950

+1 for great justice

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:40
#127256

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q&feature=related

by Gordon_Gekko
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:45
#127260

"it's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it"

Truer words were never spoken.

by Andy Dufresne
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:14
#127419

ROFLMAO +100000

by gmrpeabody
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:32
#127540

The ACLU...! Why, they are the advisors to the warden.

rotflmao

 

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:24
#127241

hey gordon,

it always has been, just a matter of degree....

freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose..
janis joplin...

get rid of the damn fed and watch as the world gets a new lease on life........it is just that simple.....

by Gordon_Gekko
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:51
#127270

Well, it is of the highest degree in America now. You can't fucking lift a finger without breaking a "law" of some sort these days.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:42
#127360

you think its bad now? wait until they pass the carbon tax...

by nicholsong
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:25
#127436

Ever seen Brazil?  There's a great scene where Harry Tuttle says "Now they got the whole country sectioned off with paperwork; can't make a move without a form."  He says this as he is being pursued as a terrorist for his freelance heating engineer ways.

Ah, here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNFuySgwQ30

by WaterWings
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:39
#127550

"Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it."

Atlas Shrugged

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:03
#127206

What's volume like today?

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:10
#127220

Piss the right people off and you could be on Mars for all the state managers care. They'll still get you with their straight out of the mafia ways.

by deadhead
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:21
#127234

I think the Treasury Secretary of the United States today made a bold move in proving that free speech is still okay in america by lying through his teeth for the trillionth time about his "deep" passion to maintain a strong dollar.

hey, if you are the Treasury Secy and can lie and prevaricate constantly, it must be still okay to have free speech, right?

by Gordon_Gekko
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:37
#127254

Sure, but only if you're part of the ruling oligarchy.

by MsCreant
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:18
#127312

If I am Timmahy, I do not want to meet deadhead in a dark alley. Deadhead clearly hates liars like Tim with a special passion. It's funny, all the crimes, each of us have something that will really trigger us and stick in our craw. DH, you are special pissed. I can feel it coming out of my computer screen. You have featured Tim in more than one post now.

The only reason I comment, is DH is someone who will make me feel ashamed when he can be reasonable addressing someone while everyone else is going off negative and counter productive. If DH hates you, so goes the nation.

Fucking tax cheating, lying assed, prick-punk-bastard, little twit.

Some more hate!

I dare you to try to find his actual height on the web. I tried. His height has actually been edited at some sites. They all disagree. I have seen 5-2 through 5-8 listed.

I don't mind someone of small stature, each height has pluses and minuses. What I find amazing is it is being obfuscated.

Cheat on taxes, cheat on height, what else (like I don't know). A hahahahahahahahahahahah!

by tip e. canoe
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:09
#127408

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:22
#127236

Maybe this action was a complete throwaway by the Feds, intended solely to send a signal to whomever they're targeting, in essence telling them, "Hey, we know you're out there and we're watching you."

Would be interesting to see all the comments posted on the date in question.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:29
#127247

Another reason to use Tor to browse the Internet. Another reason for webmasters to make sure logs are only kept for a few days (at most).

by mitack
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:08
#127300

Are you talking from experience ?

I tried it years ago and it sucked. Badly.

by max2205
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:32
#127250

WEB Mccarthyism...  I pleed the 5th

by M. Barr
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:45
#127259

Does anyone think it's odd that the Wayback Machine stopped archiving Indymedia on April 30, 2008? 

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://indymedia.us

Maybe someone who understands this better could interpret if this is an exclusion or not:

http://indymedia.us/robots.txt

by chumbawamba
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:55
#127281

That's a blanket disallow in the robots.txt file.

But I've found IA to be unreliable sometimes.  It doesn't always have an archive of every site.  YMMV.

I am Chumbawamba.

by M. Barr
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:59
#127290

"Blanket disallow" -- forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't that prevent Google from archiving (caching) the page?  Google has a cached version from yesterday.

by chumbawamba
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 23:59
#128022

I parsed it wrong.  The only prohibition is for the IBM webcrawler.

IA is simply not comprehensive, unfortunately.

I am Chumbawamba.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:49
#127266

Obviously we need some sort of pre-arranged signal by which TD can tip us off to such shenannigans...

How about a long pro-GS rant, that ought to do it.

by gmrpeabody
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:38
#127549

+1

That ought to do it, alright.

by WaterWings
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:41
#127554

Good one! I'd be checking and re-packing my Bug Out Bags that afternoon!

by Leo Kolivakis
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:53
#127273

By the way, media barron Rupert Murdoch is now taking on Google and the BBC. Read the Globe and Mail's article, Murdoch bets on survival without Google. Notice how Mr. Murdoch wants to control access to the media? Control what they read and you control how they think. I personally think Mr. Murdoch will lose big on this dumb move. He is going to alienate a huge chunk of potential readers who are already part of the Google generation. Whether he likes it or not, he's no match for Google.

by DaveyJones
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:58
#127283

I was about to post a bunch of "they can't do that" authority then I saw they withdrew it. I have had my phone tapped by the Feds and received subpoenas before but I'm a criminal law attorney not a news site.

As bugs said, this is not the first time however, this is still pretty disturbing, especially the gag order. The First Am. implications are pretty big too especially when you are talking about the entire site traffic to a news site. As other folks have said, and if it is not already painfully clear, the only "change" we have elected is someone who pretends to be the exact opposite of what he actually is. At least Dick Cheney said "fuck you" and "fuck the Bill of Rights" openly. Nor do I buy that this was an isolated mistake by some ignorant Assistant US Atty. Maybe the gag order "mistake" was deliberate reverse psychology as an answer to the forseen allegation that the subpoena was meant to have a chilling effect on all sorts of anti-establishment sites and their readers.     

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:15
#127308

anyone who attributes this to bureaucratic incompetence
is a buffoon.....

anyone who has worked in large organizations knows
that all significant decisions are vetted, analyzed
ad nauseum, socialized, and reviewed endlessly....
especially ones with the potential to be as explosive
as this one...

this was indeed approved at the highest levels
of the gestapo....anyone who thinks otherwise
is showing the sophistication of a fry order cook
at mcdonald's...

by M. Barr
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 13:57
#127284

This may be what (who?) they're looking for:

To the terrorists at BLA [Bernardin- Lockmueller and Associates]:
We know you've been targeted in the past, but since construction
has recently begun- expect more chaos and aggression directed at
your company and the workers that make what you do possible. Next
time maybe we'll pay your homes a visit,because we know where you
live and we know what you do. As I69 continues its developement,
so does our anger and dedication to standing in your way. Our
numbers are constantly growing. We will not let you build your
road.

 

http://indymedia.us/en/2008/06/32113.shtml

 

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:24
#127523

this looks like a classic government sponsored agent provocateur operation.

by SloSquez
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:05
#127287

I would say M. Barr has it.

by digalert
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:06
#127296

"There is a reason Zero Hedge maintains and operates its infrastructure entirely overseas."

 

But I thought ZH was the investigative branch of the SEC.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 14:44
#127363

See, I always think it's funny when the Justice department has to subpeona IP traffic info from a website because the NSA and the CIA already have all this info neatly stored away in terrabyte lithium niobate holographic storage arrays somewhere but , obviously, they don't share with the legitimate justice system of the US, which is kind of laughable.

HELLO NSA btw how YOU doin! LOLZ

by Lothar the Rott...
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:00
#127390

People, go read the latest from the Columbia Journalism Review.  They are ASKING for federal assistance in keeping "the news business" alive.

You know how this ends if that happens.

What a sorry bunch of puking fucking asstards they are, the MSM.

Go long ZH and real (new) media sites, while you can.

by Lothar the Rott...
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:05
#127401

Here's the link: http://www.cjr.org/editorial/a_helping_hand.php

Sorry I forgot that.  Source material and all that you ZHers require. :)

by SloSquez
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:11
#127493

That's messed up...TBTF?

by nicholsong
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 15:29
#127444

here is an EFF interview with the Indymedia sysadmin

http://geekfeminism.org/2009/11/10/interview-with-indymedia-sys-admin-kr...

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:13
#127498

I'll give them my ip address, nothing to hide here. It's 127.0.0.1 ;)

by mikeyv1970
on Thu, 11/12/2009 - 08:10
#128301

Anon..you are not supposed to give your HOME IP!  :)

 

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 16:45
#127567

Hahaha. If the government wants Zero Hedge data, you'll give it to them. For unless you too are overseas, they'll exert as much pressure as necessary to get what they want. I don't imagine you'd be willing to sit in a jail cell for very long without handing it over.

by Marla Singer
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 20:06
#127828

You are exactly correct. Which is why, absent our physical presence and the cooperation of the foreign ISP, most data isn't even available to us. No one on senior staff has the power to make a phone call from Detention Center #5 and produce data on traffic. That just does not exist. Senior ZH staff rotting in a jail cell would be unfortunate, but would not help anyone looking for data.

Moreover, we don't actually keep a lot of logs. What logs we do keep are aggregated up into things like traffic stats and we simply do not have the space or the processing power / disk bandwidth to do real time logging of web traffic AND keep archives going back more than a couple days.

With respect to the law of contempt, the moment it becomes punitive instead of coercive (i.e. once it is clear that further incarceration is not going to produce compliance) it becomes illegal.
by Hephasteus
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 17:57
#127674

70.189.83.150

“There, I guess King George will be able to read that. [Remark on signing American Declaration of Independence]

Oh let me add. Fuck George Bush in his nasal cavity. With a fucking shoe.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 18:28
#127714

Just right off the bat:
http://www.maxmind.com/app/locate_ip?ips=70.189.83.150

by Hephasteus
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 19:58
#127815

Yup thats how I tracked some banking stuff all over the world. Then I discovered the magic island of caymans full of information technology lawyers and fraud.

by Leo Kolivakis
on Wed, 11/11/2009 - 19:34
#127790

Thanks for finding it. The late George Carlin on the American Dream:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q&feature=related

A classic. God I miss him.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 11/12/2009 - 09:33
#128390

WATCH this Video (40 minutes). Entilted: "The End of America." It was taped 2 years ago in late 2007.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc&feature=related

It discusses a historical BLUEPRINT of 10 principals on how Governments quietly CHANGE a mature democratic society (like America) over and into, a Socialistic society. This is occurring today in America. Notice in the video, and on point with the above posting, one of the 10 points centers around issuing subpeonas to the press in order to limit, and threaten "freedom of speech." America has already started transferring our society toward Socialism.

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minus (minus six) equals 67
Solve this math question and enter the solution with digits. E.g. for "two plus four = ?" enter "6".