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More Headline Risk: US Energy Secretary Chu Says US Believes "Partial Meltdown" Has Occurred
Can one spell headline risk:
- CHU SAYS U.S. THINKS `PARTIAL MELTDOWN' HAS OCCURRED
- SPENT FUEL POOLS CHIEF THREAT TO ENVIRONMENT, UCS SAYS
- SPENT FUEL POOLS HAVE SHORTEST `PATHWAY' TO AIR, UCS SAYS
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Umm, so in other words it's probably a full melt down on #2, 3 and 4 but they're going to break it to us gently?
Hey CHu:
Gee, no shit and THANKS Master Yoda!
why don't you guys, get your shit together and try to do more to help.
you can always apologize later like you always do. (insert reason here)
What's important here is that the disclosure isn't coming from the Japanese. I wonder how much of this is Japan's way of saving face by not forcing them to initially disclose what might be considered the worst case scenario. And how much of it is the EU trying to clue in their own citizens and ex-pats who live in Japan that they might wish to beat a hasty retreat to say.....err....home?
Don't forget to take those PMs with you folks when you leave Japan. Don't worry about the fiat, we can always print more.
So sad if instead of just telling how it is, they're taking it as a backdoor way to spread the bad news.
If this is truly is the disaster it's shaping up to be it's so sad that saving face is more important than saving lives. I thought saving face was about pride and honor, how much pride will there be after the fact if a cloud of secrecy made the situation that much worse.
Correction to my comment above. I meant to type US instead of EU. My bad.
I'm only speculating about saving face. But the practice of saving face has a long tradition in Japan and the US for that matter.
Thats BS. there is no way that the US government wasn't assessing the situation and the satellite imagery from the get go. I don't even remotely have a degree in this shit, but when you compare the tsumani wave height data for that area alone, with where and what was hit, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see this is going to go very wrong, its only a matter of how badly it will go wrong.
Of course, I live about 30 mi from a nuclear plant that nearly went red over mere lawn clippings, cattails and weeds that got smushed into some cooling vents, so maybe i'm a bit sensitive.
It really is ashame, the whole thing.
Any meaningful news about crisis blackout to happen in....3........2......1....
Actually, the blackout started yesterday - Article 15 bitches. Most of the 'new' information seems to be coming from other governments' officials and private nuclear companies that are not located in Japan.
Is it true there are seven fuel pools, a spent fuel pool for each reactor and a 7th in a different building?
Is it possible the 7th pool, if it exists, is used for an inventory of fresh fuel rods destined for eventual placement in the reactors?
The 7th spent fuel pool is a "common" pool that is used as overflow for the other 6 and also possibly as a staging area. Reportedly the 7th pool is twice the size of any of the other 6 spent fuel pools. It is/was located at ground level and was inundated by the tsunami. It is reportedly damaged, but we have heard nothing about it to this point. I suspect we eventually will if or when that potential problem is realized.
thanks
hopefully they aren't 'staging' fresh MOX there.
BIG pool/separate bldg - can be found on slide # (can't remember) here:
http://www-ns.iaea.org/downloads/rw/conferences/spentfuel2010/sessions/s...
It might be one of those buildings off to the left of the reactors as one views the site from the ocean ... don't know for certain.
I asked that in another thread and the answer seems to be as you surmise.
I still wonder how the H2 explosions in 1 and - was it 3 - would have affected those spent pools well before those we heard about in 4.
Looks like events on the ground are about to overtake accurate summaries.
I am not one to pray much, but this seems to be an exception.
Pete
What's with the flight to safety run to the Japanese Yen?
I was really perplexed by the flight to safety into the yen last week (at the onset of this crisis). If the current crisis escalates, the entire island may need to be evacuated. What's not being discussed in the MSM is the fact that one of the reactors (#3) at Fukushima uses MOX fuel (MOX fuel emits higher gamma radiation and much higher neutron radiation than uranium fuel).
"This power plant meltdown can be 2 MILLION times Worse than Chernobyl! This could make the whole country of Japan uninhabitable, besides being carried around the world!"
http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2011/03/japan-exploded-nuclear-plant-uses-mox.html
I Wonder why the US isn't getting its NEST agency involved in this super-critical emergency?
Sorry, I had to junk you for sending me to Sherrie's blog.
we're told when King Edward III defaulted on his loan to the bankstes in Venice, it caused the collapse of the global financial system in 1345.
historians say the banks were bankrupt since the 1330's but were zombie banks. The Vencian banks rigged the price of gold and silver to take out the Florentine Banks.
Am wondering now if Japan defaults on any of it's debts, will that be cause of global financial collapse. Sort of a King Edward III moment.
Japan's Leadership is to blame. The problem is these FOOLS will never admit a mistake or seek outside help. They're the worst leaders EVER! PERIOD.
GOVT/CORPORATE CEO's it's DENY DENY DENY DENY, LIE LIE LIE LIE, get discovered, then they simply take the Pussy way out and commit Hari Kari instead of facing the music like a man. They simply say they dishonored their families and run upon their sword or jump out of a building.
PATHETIC.
JUST ASK FOR HELP YOU FOOLS!!!!!!!!
THE WORLD IS HERE TO HELP ESPECIALLY ABOUT NUCLEAR ISSUES.
They asked for help but nobody wanted to send anyone, in addition, the US military got out of dodge. As far as Im concerned the fact that worldwide experts were not sent to the plant days ago told me that the situation was already a "matter of time" event...
You are not right. Russia was willing to send a Veteran team of people that were in Chernobyl. But JP government refused to let them in.
Actually they did allow them in.
http://en.rian.ru/world/20110316/163036133.html
my understanding is that the Ronald Reagan hightailed it, but um, theres a lot more us military in Japan than that
not sure if Taiwan and Japan cultures are similiar , but i would assume they are.....with that said, in business we deal with the Taiwanese daily and they NEVER admit mistakes, they never ask for help and they usually never use our advise......they have alot of good qualities but these are the WORST of them
All governments are evil, man.
I'm waiting on a comment from MIT..
How much does Mr. Chu get paid?
Time to eliminate that position.
Now Canada Leaking Water from Nuke Plant
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFN1610498020110316?sp=true
Looks like a pump seal failed (think "water pump" like in car):
" there was a demineralized water leak at a nuclear power plant near Toronto late on Monday after a pump seal failed. "
Go long pump seals ...
What happens in a meltdown? Any nuke scientists here?
Chernobyl cubed: because Chernobyl wasn't near a city of 13 million. Can you say Panic?
Ben prints more money. See, doesn't take a nuker.
+99 millisieverts. More money is always the answer. When in doubt, print it out.
This is probably a good place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_meltdown
thanks.
I'm not exactly sure but as a precautionary measure, I'd avoid eating anything imported from Japan for...oh...say...the next 10,000 years?
same timeframe i'm avoiding seafood from the gulf
If the current crisis escalates, then we'd be all avoiding food produced in the West coast too.
And guys, this happens in a time where the FPI is still under a lot of pressure. This is getting worse..
This administration won't do or say anything unless the EU does it first.
That's our President. The king of rearview politics and nothing even resembling a leader. The answer of course is that he is of course merely a puppet.
Check out Captain Hindsight in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rmUZQrvF5o
To borrow from Demolition Man
Obama : I dont know... Lately I just dont feel like there's anything special about me. Computer : You are an incredibly sensitive man who, inspires joy-joy feelings in all around you.
Don't worry, Obama is more concerned about copyright infringements.
I can feel those counts on my skin
Chu on this!
Bloomberg issued a press release that the Japan reactors MAY be damaged. LOL
Ya think? They can't stop the reaction no matter what they do, it's going to get worse until they do a fill and kill like Chernobyl and then you still are going to have residual radiation spreading everywhere.
Sell the fuckin' rally!
fed cancelled pomo but will resume today once they t ime the news flash of a full on nuke meltdown
So how does that work out when a city the combined size of NY + LA + Chicago decides to evacuate? And, to where, exactly?
Exactly. Total disaster with very limited resources. See Godzilla the movie for a mini sneak peak
Another positive indicator -- scurrying rodent life departing the ship (courtesy of CNBC, no less):
Foreign bankers flee Tokyo
QE3 in 5..4.3..2...
Dollar
Onward and upward.
http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/99er-charts-0
Looks like the "flight to safety" is into Whole Foods Market, now printing 52-week highs with a P/E ratio of 43....
LULU not too far behind, with a P/E ratio of 78
CRM is off about 15% from its highs, but it is still has a P/E ratio of 268
LOL.....
in other words: irrational exuberance just hit warp speed?
YUM.
Can one spell headline risk:
Market participants have forgotten what the word means, much less how to spell it... right Tepper? Ballz to the wall!
I wonder if this might be a "cultural difference", perhaps they are offended by the western macabre sensationalism? At the end of the day I doubt fore knowledge of these unfolding events is going to meaningfully change the net outcome.
Like Deep Water Horizon, you are not going to fix or mitigate the effects from this catastrophe.
"What happens in a meltdown? Any nuke scientists here?"
Only a BA in physics so not a scientist but it is my understanding that in a meltdown the fuel rods lose their position, fuse together, the increased mass starts to develop heat at about 700 degrees C, the pile of fusing metal burns its way through the containment and if it ever gets to water the water turning to steam at those temperatures is explosive and can cause a rather large explosion blowing the pile of fused metal all over the place in small enough chunks where it doesn't have the mass to develop heat as fast but it just poisions everything for a very long time. The first 24 days are the worst as the iodine isotopes burn off. I hope they are talking about some form of minor disaster and not a full meltdown.
Russians pulling their diplomats, and they're not usually squeamish about little things like nuclear risk
Sadly, many people may face the fact that they have the equivalent of stage IV pancreatic cancer and live life accordingly. It seems that some cultures because of social mores, have no business utilizing nuclear power; of course, GE will sell to anyone with a big enough checkbook.
>> SPENT FUEL POOLS CHIEF THREAT TO ENVIRONMENT, UCS SAYS
Welcome to the party pal. We've only been watching this part since Saturday.
Somebody has to warn the retards.
breaking news: GE's Jeff Immelt on site at reactor #4..giving technical advise while helping bucket water on the core..more to follow..sarc off.
they should toss him in.
Charlie Sheen adds 5 more shows to tour
What is America coming to??
Let them eat shit.
or cesium.
Let them eat shit.
No, no, no.
This is Japan, not Germany.
are you really surprised?
Well, I guess I would have to be an idiot to be surprised anymore with MSM.
If American Pravda is relying on Sheen for distraction...they are running out of shit to distract with.
Everyone on here thinks they're a market expert. Now everyone thinks they're a fucking nuclear power expert. If you're not in that power station, you haven't got a bastard clue what's going on.
Wake me up if it melts down. Unless/until that happens, everything else is window dressing...
That should be leaded glass window dressing...
forget imelt get jack welch in there
CHU SAYS U.S. THINKS `PARTIAL MELTDOWN' HAS OCCURRED
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MAY be referring to the Obama administration, since it is not clear from what is posted ...