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Morgan Stanley CFO Blames Brokerage Group Margin Miss On Investors Scared Away By Flash Crash

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BN   7:52 *MORGAN STANLEY SMITH BARNEY HAD SET 15% MARGIN GOAL FOR 2010
BN   7:52 *MORGAN STANLEY'S PORAT SAYS `FLASH CRASH' SCARED AWAY INVESTORS
BN   7:52 *MORGAN STANLEY CFO PORAT SPEAKS IN INTERVIEW ON PROFIT GOALS
BN   7:52 *MORGAN STANLEY TO MISS BROKERAGE PROFIT-MARGIN GOAL, PORAT SAYS

Luckily the SEC is all over restoring investor confidence in the market... of hard core internet porn.

 

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Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:01 | 480788 buzzsaw99
Thu, 07/22/2010 - 01:47 | 482985 arthur darrell
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IMO the cause of the event was the NBBO or National Best Bid Offer system implemented a few years ago without any failsafes for unusual price movement. W/in one second your stop or sell will trigger if for one second a stock's best bid is .01 or whatever. I have countless written proof of these instances and have been assured firms are working to prevent "unusual" aka 10% 1 second executions but they fail to follow through. For many the past couple years with lack of liquidity has made these instances occur so frequently that anyone with common sense has walked away from the game. It just isnt fun when EVERY time your 7 or 8% Bill O'Neil stop is triggered for several causes umrelated to old fashioned trading. Decimilization has destroyed the need for market making risk taking or a human to stepo up to the plate and be willing to buy at a given price. Skynet is failing us.

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:05 | 480795 Running on Empty
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I've never been the same since the Flash Crash. The thing is these Fuckers believe this, on the contrary you fuck it's from being raped by you bastards that were not in the market any longer. Asswipe

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:20 | 480831 Jeff Lebowski
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Flash crash causes margin miss.  Congrats Morgan Stanley for following the playbook. 

WASHINGTON -- The number of new claims for unemployment benefits jumped unexpectedly last week as heavy snows caused layoffs to rise.   

Published February 25, 2010

AP

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:07 | 480801 downrodeo
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lol,

 

"pass the ky, i gotta REGULATE!!!"

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:07 | 480803 jbc77
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Blamed it on the flash crash. Guess that would be a half truth, but to blame the whole quarter on flash crash.....

I'm actually looking to the next flash crash. I mean lets face it, it was a lot of fun.

 

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:10 | 480806 Waterfallsparkles
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I do not think it was the flash crash.  I has to do with the HFT Computer Trading.  Pushing the price to a preprogramed price an then Churning all day.

Traders cannot win against a Computer.  I wonder how long people would sit in front of a slot machine if they only put money in and never won?  HFT anyone?

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:23 | 480839 SteveNYC
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Bingo. You are spot on, although the "flash crash" must get some credit as well. This fuckin casino is a joke, let the computers masturbate each other and just stay out of it until it implodes on itself.

Then, we can invest where we should be investing, at sub-10x PE ratios and high dividend yields.

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 14:10 | 481234 Waterfallsparkles
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Yes, the HFT Computers were responsible for the Flash Crash.  As people or Institutions sold they kept front running their Sell orders.  It got out of hand, as the price went down more and more People sold and the more the Computers would front run the Trades.  This caused the huge downdraft.

Computers frontrunning gone wild.

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:11 | 480812 Gimp
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Maybe the population is not the idiots Wall Street has relied on in the past and people have woken-up to the fact that the system is rigged and only the big boys win at taxpayers expense. F**k them!

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 14:04 | 481222 Waterfallsparkles
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Yes, I think the internet and Blogs like Zero Hedge have informed Investors.  They basically have taken their money out of a Market designed to only take Money and give nothing in return.

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:12 | 480813 Internet Tough Guy
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She's a man, baby.

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:20 | 480833 Sausagemaker
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nice...

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:13 | 480816 Gimp
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BTW - Orgy scheduled for this Friday after 5 pm at the SEC building in DC. Bring protection!

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:14 | 480819 No Mas
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Miss?? What miss?? Up 8 1/2% baby!!!!!

With apologies to the O'Jays; Get on board baby!!!!

Don't you know that it's time to get on board
And let this train keep on riding, riding on through
Well, well
People all over the world (you don't need no money)
Join hands (come on)
Start a love train, love train (don't need no ticket, come on)
People all over the world ( ride this train)(Ride this train, y'all)
Start a love train (Come on, train), love train

Ride it up my man, ride it up.

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:44 | 480878 aheady
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HUGE HUGE apologies to the O'Jays.

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:16 | 480822 VK
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Porat? Is he Borat's cousin from Uzbekistan? Me screw market long time!

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:15 | 480823 Running on Empty
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Post Traumatic Flash Crash Disorder

I see grounds for litigation, counselor.

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:21 | 480835 Dr. No
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This is a tactic to gain market position.  MS is kicking the hornets nest of regulation by blaming the flashcrash in hopes to get greater regulation on HFT.  From this, I can conclude Morgan's HFT algos are an old "rev" and cant keep up with Goldman's algos.  Therefore, Morgan is going to get the regulator to level the playing field.

 

Continue to stay out. 

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:21 | 480836 asteroids
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The tick to tick bars are really small these days. Gone are the 50cent-1dollar moves on the SPY.

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:32 | 480861 firstdivision
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Well when you have two forces moving in oposing directions, the moves are muted.  Once one force diminishes in magnited, the movements will increase again.  Let us see who can win, the Feds or Gravity.  Tune in at 2pm for pre-fight announcement.

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:31 | 480856 anynonmous
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Gold Coin Sellers Angered by New Tax Law Amendment

Slipped Into Health Care Legislation Would Track, Tax Coin and Bullion Transactions

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/gold-coin-dealers-decry-tax-law/story?id=...

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 12:45 | 481034 Dr. No
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I heard about this before. Although coin dealers are upset, every buisness owner should be.  The law states a 1099 is to be submitted for every purchase over $600.  Can you imagine?  This is a bureaucrats wet dream and will swamp the IRS if indeed this is mandated.

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:32 | 480857 Malaespina
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Crooks, thugs, mobster, all these found these days in wall street, not surprised all smart investors have fled in panic and put their money under the mattress. What did ya expectttttttttttttt!!!!

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 11:46 | 480885 -Michelle-
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In the immortal words of Milli Vanilli, "gotta blame it on something."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwrL9MV6jSk

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 12:37 | 481014 Gimp
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-michelle- great song, it is sad that Rob Pilatus committed suicide due to the lip-sync scandal. Enjoyed their music.

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 12:53 | 481053 dantes1807
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I've read Morgan Stanley's comments and what they don't get is that the retail investor is not the same retail investor of years ago. The retail investor knows about HFT and the lack of value that most Wall Streeters bring to helping them with their investments.

Until there is real financial reform on Wall Street, many will not be back.

Wed, 07/21/2010 - 17:45 | 481967 Grand Supercycle
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