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Morning Musings From Art Cashin - Thoughts On Iran Shipment

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Tue, 03/16/2010 - 10:20 | 267067 ChickenTeriyakiBoy
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Art says no PPT

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 10:25 | 267073 deadhead
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The question is not "is the PPT buying the equity market?".


The question is "why wouldn't the PPT be buying the equity market?"


Love you Art but you're wrong on this one.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 10:51 | 267116 Chopshop
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he 'knows' "they" exist but he also knows better than to publicly proclaim so.

as for whether the PPT is an active mkt participant ?  puhlease.  did the sun rise today ?

art's larger point still rings loudly: financial markets are not random and are not (overtly) manipulated by a backroom broker/dealer cabal, 'they' are the product of our collective emotions / opinions at any given moment in 'time'.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 12:29 | 267289 infotechsailor
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uh... so instead of god's will, it is attributed to a made up entity?

art ignores the fact that public opinion is constantly manipulated. did the IMF sell that gold they been talking about all these months? is the FED still ..talking about an 'exit strategy'?

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 18:00 | 267811 deadhead
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well said chop.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 11:23 | 267166 Hansel
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Adding, what should the Fed's printing of $1.55 trillion in the last year be called, if not the PPT?  It was the fear of a plunge that impelled them...

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 12:28 | 267286 Gordon_Gekko
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Who the hell is Art Cashin anyways? I have wasted sometime previously reading him and I had my suspicions, but now it is confirmed - he's an idiot. He's from goddamn UBS for cryin' out loud! 

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 10:32 | 267084 10044
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Hold it, hold it, hold it... Art, WTF bro, why u?

Read the second paragraph from the above link...

If that doesn't convince you, here's another GOV website:


Art, if you're too blind to see that, then go retire, but don't tell us ppt doesn't exist. WTF man???????

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 19:22 | 267886 AnonymousAnarchist
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Maybe he is being technical since it was the Washington Post that came up with "Plunge Protection Team". I wonder if he would admit the Working Group on Financial Markets exists.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 10:33 | 267087 Winterland
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I beg to differ with Art. We could easily prevent a blocjage of the Strait of Hormuz. The 5th fleet is based in Bharian I believe. And there is no way that they would accept getting hemmed in.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 10:39 | 267094 ChickenTeriyakiBoy
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Absolutely right

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 10:40 | 267099 Cheeky Bastard
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Diego Garcia is really really really fucking small to be anything else than possibly a training and storage base. If you look up the satellite images on GOOG-maps it is clearly visible that the base has enough space to accommodate only 6 cargo planes. I think this has been blown out of proportion, and that nothing will happen from the US side of the aisle. If anything, it is a far greater possibility that the US will attack Israel, especially after a recent comment made by Israeli military historian Martin Levi van Craveld in which he states that Israel has nuclear weapons strategically aimed at major European cities in case if anything unpredictable happens and Israel needs to engage the so called "Samson Option".


Tue, 03/16/2010 - 11:09 | 267145 JW n FL
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Where in the World Is Diego Garcia? A strategic U.K. and U.S. airbase with a dark history


I thought it was interesting... as you seemed interested I thought I would share.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 11:49 | 267210 RobD
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B-1s and I possibly B-52s were flying missions out of Diago (and may still be) during IraqII and Afghanistan so moving bombs there is not a surprise. A possible scenario is B-1s and B-52s fly from US fully loaded, drop their loads on Iran and then some or all fly on to Diago to re-arm/re-fuel/change crews and then fly back to Iran drop some more and then on to the US. B-2s only fly out of the US and return, as there is no support for them anywhere else.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 12:06 | 267238 jdoo
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welcome back cheeky

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 10:44 | 267108 e1618978
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I don't think it was the PPT, I think that Goldman plants stories in the press like these right before option expiry each month.

And the whole idea of invading Iran has to be based around destroying the navy and airforce very quickly, and hitting as few oilfields and civililian targets as possible.  No ground invasion, just a 4-hour war where we (1) destroy nuclear capibility (2) destroy the airforce and navy (3) destroy as many Revolutionary Guards barraks as possible and (4) tip the balance of power towards the voters in Iran.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 17:25 | 267761 naiverealist
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Do you think for a moment that Iran would side with anyone who bombed their brothers, fathers, uncles or any other family member.

If anything, it would galvanize them against us and further destabilize the middle east. 

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 10:58 | 267128 bpj
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Tue, 03/16/2010 - 11:03 | 267131 Cognitive Dissonance
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"I have written over the years that people need structure and reason to explain events, especially unexpected events. Human nature abhors randomness. As Voltaire said, “If God did not exist, man would have to invent him.”

And many humans would rather see random events and chance as the cause of the observed events rather than to come face to face with the pain of cognitive dissonance and actually see what they don't wish to see. It works both ways Art. You claim people see what they wish to see. I agree. You are just as guilty as anyone else. In fact, if you pull out the playbook for psychological warfare, this is the very premise that makes psyops work, that you can hide within someone's blind spot to influence seemingly random events and never be discovered.

For Art to not only see manipulation but then admit to the manipulation require he change his entire worldview and belief system. Since the worldview he currently employs not only has served him very well for 60 plus years but he must maintain that worldview in order to conduct his living and pay his bills, it doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to understand he sees exactly what he wants to see, including everyone else's blindness and his perfect 20/20 vision. Art's hubris of certainty is his blind spot. He can't see what he can't imagine seeing.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 11:03 | 267138 Cheeky Bastard
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For Art to not only see manipulation but then admit to the manipulation require he change his entire worldview and belief system. Since the worldview he currently employs not only has served him very well for 60 plus years but he must maintain that worldview in order to conduct his living and pay his bills, it doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to understand he sees exactly what he wants to see, including everyone else's blindness and his perfect 20/20 vision



Nice to see you old buddy.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 14:22 | 267176 Hansel
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After reading of the manipulation of the gold market straight from the FOMC minutes, you immediately revert to your old gold-bashing self.  Troll.

edit: This comment was a reply to Master Bates, whose comment has disappeared.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 12:31 | 267294 Gordon_Gekko
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YOU'RE A TROLL, and an A**HOLE. Hey, that rhymes!

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 11:12 | 267148 JW n FL
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Salesmen... catering to the Evangelical Crowd... Spread the Word, Pray for the "End" and Buy Gold... bunch of idiots! Buy Gold @ $10k an ounce when the middle market comes back you can dump it for twice that... the middle Loves to Hedge... I was rolling laughing when I typed this to be clear!

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 11:01 | 267134 OBRon
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When futures spike ahead of stocks, what could that mean, Art?  Especially in the context of no news.  Reactions to news events are generally synchronous between futures and stocks.  So when futures move ahead of stocks, what does the futures market "know" that the rest of us don't???


Tue, 03/16/2010 - 11:03 | 267139 Master Bates
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The futures market sees people buying calls.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 11:13 | 267149 callistenes
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hmm reserve in reverse and eli whitney and the cotton gin

welcome back cheeky!

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 11:28 | 267174 glenlloyd
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History question: What was the cotton gin.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 11:41 | 267185 tmosley
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Art, you need to get your head checked.  This whole "there is no Presidents Working Group on Financial Markets" conspiracy theory makes you look like a nut job.


Tue, 03/16/2010 - 12:03 | 267231 Master Bates
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I don't think that he's saying that they don't exist, I think that he's saying that their impact really isn't a day to day role like others might believe.

There isn't a boogeyman in every closet.  Sometimes the markets are working for themselves.

It might be that the PPT is actually only stepping in on absolutely horrid days like the 666 low, for example, to prevent further damage.  Nobody knows the extent of their work, and it could be a lot less than others might believe.  Just because they exist doesn't mean that they're behind every pump and stopping every dump.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 11:41 | 267199 doublethink
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Forces in nearby Iraq and Afghanistan would be suddenly vulnerable.


"This is starting to get dangerous for us," Biden reportedly said. "What you're doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace.'"

In an important elaboration on these remarks posted on the foreignpolicy.com website on Saturday, Mark Perry, a writer with long-standing and close ties to the military brass, reported that Biden's private comments reflected the collective view of top US military commanders throughout the Middle East region.




Tue, 03/16/2010 - 14:05 | 267464 viahj
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"This is starting to get dangerous for us," Biden reportedly said. "What you're doing here undermines the security of our troops who are fighting in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. That endangers us and it endangers regional peace.'"

did he really just say that?  I mean, I know he talks gibberish but this is unreal...we are in a war on two battlegrounds...of course our troops are in danger.  moron.  I assume this quote was his words to Israel.  hey Biden, aren't they enemies the dangerous ones?  what regional peace is he talking about? 

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 12:14 | 267256 Fix It Again Timmy
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Tiger's BACK - Iran attack will commence with his first tee off at the Masters!  What a plan, what a CIA!

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 12:34 | 267279 Gordon_Gekko
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There is no plunge protection team. Being an amalgam of many humans, the markets...blah, blah, blah, blah

What "markets"? Art Cashin is an idiot. I have now all the proof I need to put him on my "ignore forever" list. Get him out of here Tyler. He's wasting space.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 13:18 | 267378 Cistercian
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 He misspoke.He meant to say" the computers, composed of many pieces of programming move the market in unpredictable ways...especially if you think fundamentals or reality have any place in equity valuation"


 On the other hand, you are right GG.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 13:23 | 267393 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Alas, Art was my boy all last year while watching the Doelarr fall to its knees.  However, like any figurehead, he will only go so far. 

Art pitches, and it is clocked outta the park.  Coach runs out, motions to the catcher to stay put.  "Art, hows the arm?"  "Fine.  I know this next guy....China....Let me stay in."  "OK, but the guy on deck is PPT.  Lots of HRs lately.  Ill let you face China, guy.  I don't know about PPT."  Coach jogs back to dugout.  China blasts first pitch for a double.  Manager runs out, signals to the bullpin he wants relief.  "Coach, let me stay in."  "No Art, sorry...you have never pitched to PPT, and yesterday when I asked you said you hadn't watched any film on him either.  Lighten up Art, you gave us 6 strong innings." 

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 13:18 | 267377 Ivar Kreuger
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We tend to think we err, not because we were wrong, but because others played unfairly. It’s very convenient but incorrect.


Art is done.  He can wipe his ass with those napkins. 

How bout the folks who shorted Lehman at 20 Art?

Was the government/accounting firms/NY FED/SEC  playing unfarily when it illeagally concealed their debt?

Epic fail for Art.


Tue, 03/16/2010 - 14:17 | 267487 Lionhead
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Perhaps Art, who has many worthy insights, has drunk a little too much Kool-Aid last night. Reminds me of the flip of Jim Grant awhile back. Every man has his Kool-Aid quotient. Too bad.

As for the PPT, if not them, then answer the question of the invisible buyer who shows up at precisely the right times to lift the equity markets, never leaves a SEC report of his positions behind & exits at the end of the stick rallies in the consolidation patterns, like today. Charles Bidermann is looking, but can't find this chap. Isn't the mutual funds, they're out of cash, retail maybe? Nope, not interested. Most elusive is he, this invisible buyer...

So Arthur, if you're reading this, you're with a prime broker UBS, tell us who this buyer might be, you see the order flow coming down, you know who it is. Tell us true.

Tue, 03/16/2010 - 15:17 | 267608 carbonmutant
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I'm suprised nobody mentioned the Daily Growth Index from the Consumer Metrics Institute. These guys are interesting.

"if raw consumer demand this year does not turn up sharply in late March our indexes will start to sag relative to the year-ago numbers"



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