Mort Zuckerman: America's Love Affair With Obama Is Over

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Sat, 11/06/2010 - 00:03 | 704686 egdeh orez
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A lot of people in ZH hates Mort Zuckerman... but I love the guy.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 10:16 | 704999 MrVincent
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..and this is why I dont love him:

"The case for creating more jobs by government spending was rated within a hair's breadth of reducing the deficit (37 percent to 39 percent).."

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 15:54 | 705475 Imminent Crucible
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Zuckerman has no credibility among ZHedgers because he promoted Obama and voted for him.  Zuckerman could have used his media presence to tell the truth about OFascist before the 2008 election, but instead he was in full denial mode.

Now he wants to blame Obama for being himself, a product of the Chicago corruption machine.  Zuckerman is pathetic.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 18:44 | 705685 Cruel Aid
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There was no choice in that election, but the truth about O was fully known for anyone who cared to know. Now McCain's buddy Feingold is history.

Glimmer of hope?

Zuckerman is a Massengill.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 10:22 | 705007 jplotinus
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I neither 'love' nor 'hate' any pundit or opinion purveyor who has access to publicly disseminated media.  There is no point.  Pundits, like everyone else, have beliefs that they can choose to adhere to for as long as they can do so.  My interests lie solely in what can be objectively asserted, backed by data or other aposteriori confirmation.

MZ's statement at the outset of his current opinion piece states:

"The results represent a sharp rebuke to President Obama, who interpreted his 2008 "vote for change" as a mandate for changing everything and all at once."

Obama is noteworthy for the opposite of 'change.'  On an objective basis, Obama represents a continuity of the Bush policies in virtually all domestic, economic and foreign policy spheres.  There are some exceptions, of course.  But, both (D) and (R) "party" differentiations serve only the purpose of distinguishing one right wing, corporatist-capitalist segment from the other.

I do not know why more Murkins do not grasp that there is very little difference between what are called the two parties, but which, in actuality, are but two branches of one party.

It is not good to accept an underlying premise -- the existence of two parties, or the policies of change -- when there exists an inadequate objective basis for allowing a premise to be given assumed validity.

Doing so results in the perpetuation of illusion.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:53 | 706112 asianist
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Amen. Amazing how one person's radical policy shift is another's status quo.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 09:17 | 706369 psychobilly
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"I do not know why more Murkins do not grasp that there is very little difference between what are called the two parties, but which, in actuality, are but two branches of one party."

It was a one-two punch.  First, the public "education" system in this country, as designed, destroyed its victims' ability for independent, critical thinking.  In the words of John Taylor Gatto (who has written extensively on this system): "Once the best children are broken to such a system, they disintegrate morally, becoming dependent on group approval."

The corporate media system then took advantage, and has been bombarding generation after generation of the mentally enfeebled with propaganda. 

 

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 18:03 | 707071 NationalizeTheFED
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You tell it. The only real choice will be in the republican primary if Ron Paul runs again, everyone else are just different flavors of the same criminal mindset.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 12:35 | 705172 Sqworl
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I love Mort and begged him personally to run for President.

Thu, 11/11/2010 - 04:11 | 718895 Miles Kendig
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If he is man enough to sport both a big left & pinky right red sharpie toenails open toes, in public and private without interruption for the whole of race week in Monaco while attending every event of significance I might be consider this recommendation, since it comes from you Sqworl

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 13:33 | 705275 sgt_doom
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Oooooohhhhh....poor, poor Morty Z.  Something he must have eaten at one of those posh Trilateral Commission brunches,

http://www.trilateral.org/download/file/TC%20list%2011-10.pdf

 

or perhaps it was at one of those ultra-expensive New York Bretton Woods Committee dinners,

 

http://www.brettonwoods.org/members/

 

must have given him indigestion.

 

Poor....poor Morty.

 

Burn him hell, and hope I never get my hands on your phony butt.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 14:10 | 705349 benb
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Good call – Uncle Mortimer is complete phony NWO baloney. I can see by some posts that a few people here think that the theater is real. It’s not.  We are given the children’s story. The Round Table Groups run the government from behind the scenes.

“It’s a nightmare in there. Obama is just a television watching second fiddle guy. He doesn’t make any of the decisions. He doesn’t have any interest.”

From an insider who left the White House in early October - as reported by Joel Skoulsen.

 

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 14:28 | 705375 zaknick
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Ditto

 

Almost all the jokers who get airtime in the fascist MSM are there precisely because they are complict in their fascism.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 15:33 | 705438 MeTarzanUjane
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When the event comes, I offer up 10oz of pure gold for his hide.

http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/lamppost-hang-them-high-get-paid-bounty

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 00:14 | 704700 wisefool
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When people like Mort get bandwidth here. I Just want to know where freud died to pour my student loans over his grave with McGlauglin egging me on.

Tyler, it was fun. Tell me where we are supposed to go next. PBS is not going to work any more.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 13:55 | 705300 MeTarzanUjane
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Tyler has some kind of affinity for [this].

Penny stock pusher, gold man lover, Randomberg promoter.

Perversions. Subversions.

In the first instance, one is not "guilty of a conflict of interest." A conflict of interest, in and of itself, is not a crime. There is only the appearance of a conflict of interest. Why, exactly, are appearances so important? We think it reflects a particular attitude about public discourse. A particularly disturbing attitude.

http://www.zerohedge.com/content/zero-hedge-conflictsfull-disclosure-policy

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 00:16 | 704705 Apostate
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Nihilists always switch sides to the most powerful faction. Ho-hum. 

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 00:56 | 704752 GoinFawr
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You must be referring to 'Trash-nihilists', Kropotkin knew better.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 11:41 | 705095 FreedomGuy
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I'm not a Zuckerman fan but he got this right:

"He came across as a young man in a grown-up's game—impressive but not presidential. A politician but not a leader, managing American policy at home and American power abroad with disturbing amateurishness. Indeed, there was a growing perception of the inability to run the machinery of government and to find the right people to manage it."

I have said since they got in office we have a bunch of 5 year olds at the controls of a 747.  The 747 is the American economy and most of the time if you leave it alone it will fly itself on autopilot. Right now we have serious problems and all they know to do is randomly punch buttons, flip switches and go for the shiney lights all the while telling the passengers everything will be fine...as the plane rolls and dives.

Frankly, it is the modern liberal-statist in general. They all have this child's view of the world and government represents mommy and daddy while they act like petulant demanding children. That's how I'd describe the European protests. Like kids they know less than half of what they think they know and all they care about is what they want. Not necessary to deal with reality.

You have a tax cheat as the head of the treasury for Christ's sake! It's not important that you are competent or even ethical. You just have to say the right stuff and be "in" the club. Every time I see Obama speak I see the shallow rhetoric of a community organizer. He has never really had to make a damn thing work his whole life. We voted in rhetoric and that's all we will get.

Time to get some grown ups in there. Time is growing short and the education process for the public has to speed up. The Fed and the Imperial Congress of the United States are going to drag the whole world down the drain. The Obama's party while Rome burns.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 11:56 | 705118 janchup
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You have to wonder what Obama is thinking. Destruction of the economy would certainly qualify as change we damn well better believe in.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 13:01 | 705218 apberusdisvet
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Get familiar with the Cloward-Piven Strategy.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 13:58 | 705327 SRV - ES339
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Yes, it's all an "evil plot" to reverse the (apparently positive) redistribution of wealth up to the obscenely wealthy top 1%, to (a completely unacceptable) redistribution of (exponentially less) wealth down to the obscenely poor bottom 1%.

Makes perfect sense to me... Glenn said so!

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 13:39 | 705293 Yes We Can. But...
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+1 Right on.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 06:11 | 706273 Bartanist
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Where do you find grown-ups?

No "real" person of value wants to have anything to do with government and politicians and for most of the sound-bite club, being in the club is what made them who they are. It does not mean they have any value as a person, only that they did what the club rules demanded ... and that has always worked for them because they became powerful and wealthy through the club... those not courting club membership? ... not so much.

There was no fundamental problem with healthcare reform. The problem is that the bill was written by the insurance companies to ensure their power and profitability, was 2700 pages long, anyone with power who wanted to be exempt was allowed to be exempt and no one who voted for it had read it. That, by definition is not reform... and Obama & Pelosi claimed it as some miracle and a victory (but for whom?). It is assinine.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 00:20 | 704710 Rogerwilco
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I guess this means Mort didn't get the job.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 13:36 | 705283 sgt_doom
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That, and the Obamatron has still failed to burn and incinerate millions of innocent Iranians, which would do more for Zuckerman than his usual mega dosage of Viagra.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 23:17 | 705993 RockyRacoon
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Your answer implies that Zuck was promised something and didn't get it.

I feel that same way although we'll never know what it was, I'm sure.

A guy doesn't turn like that in such a vile way without reason, and seemingly out of political character. 

There is much more in this story than meets the eye.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 00:23 | 704714 onlooker
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The way that Obama and the Democrats/Media handled the election loss was most telling regarding their ability to understand the Citizens of the United States of America. It also showed that they have little realistic understanding for the condition of the Nation. OR, even worse---THEY DO NOT CARE.

 

The rant from the Left was caustic and the raves from the Right were not healthy or realistic. If Pelosi is put in as minority speaker and the Republicans continue talking Ronald Raygun conservatism----- we are still upside down.

 

A 3rd option political party is the only game in town, until they too are corrupted. Right now, lets give the Tea Party a chance by trying to screen the nut cases and also put pressure on the main 2 corrupted parties.

 

Go out and win one for the Griper.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 12:13 | 705136 Buckaroo Banzai
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Hey I love to read The Exiled, but they have a hard-on for the Tea Party movement. Bitter and violently deranged doesn't make for clear-eyed journalism.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 12:37 | 705175 Cathartes Aura
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The Kochs are longtime libertarians who believe in drastically lower personal and corporate taxes, minimal social services for the needy, and much less oversight of industry—especially environmental regulation. These views dovetail with the brothers’ corporate interests.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer#ixzz14WMKPhoQ

 

read about 'em in the new yorker then. . . but do read about their support of the tea party, it's an important chunk of the narrative.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 06:26 | 706278 Bartanist
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You do no find it great irony that capitalists were able to profit from fascist communists? Is that not what capitalists do? There is no doubt that the Tea Party was not a spontaneous movement. It was opportunism put into action and backed by some serious money ... and then subverted by the Reblican mainstream.

However, maybe you should buy the clue. People who profit from regimes quite often do not share the values of the regimes. To imply otherwise seems to be simple diversion.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 08:42 | 706337 New_Meat
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looker:

"The way that Obama and the Democrats/Media handled the election loss was most telling..."

totally expected

http://www.acmewebpages.com/midi/roadtrip.wav

- Ned

(couldn't find a video clip)

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 00:23 | 704715 economessed
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These pretzels are making me thirsty.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 00:30 | 704723 Miles Kendig
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It did not help that the administration had completely lost the support of the business community, where virtually no one has a good word to say about the administration and where there is no go-to, high-level businessman in Obama's inner circle. The result was to make corporate America lose even more confidence in making investment decisions.

Hope you're paying attention Obama.  Mort says that you need to spend more time kissing Wall Street's ass if you're going to do any better.  I suggest that you had better get Ben busy on purchasing risk assets to support the economy.  Mort would hope you'd begin with supporting CRE and its related products.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 00:30 | 704727 wisefool
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Mort owns a crapload of NYC real estate.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 00:37 | 704735 Miles Kendig
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Yep.

While Mort & I both appreciate that there is little more Obama can do to support the folks off S. Main than by maxing out the Wall Street bonus pool so the neighborhood hookers and dope dealers can afford a holiday this year.  Trickle down even Dave Stockton could appreciate as the cost of conversion would go directly to support the TBTF and their plussed up margins for the on-the-left economic conversion.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 00:44 | 704745 wisefool
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That is how you do it. Trite, but everybody likes bread and circuses. And zoos. But I seriously need to know where I should be reading now that people like mort get bandwidth here. Been watching him on McGlauglin for my entire adult life. And will watch him there this Sunday.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 00:55 | 704748 Miles Kendig
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Just about anything gets bandwidth here.  Never try and judge where tyler and crew are coming from by what gets posted.  The idea is to speak your mind and fight for your ideas to see if they hold up.  In this there are few better places to go simply because you'll see just about everything here.  Welcome to freedom of expression (see the manifesto for more).

Back to Mart and his love affair with "centricism" since that is the most easily manipulated by his $.  If Mort had ball one, or hair one on that Abe Vigoda sack of his he would be urging fiscal & monetary stability.  The last thing that would enrich him so it will be the last thing he will advocate.  A true example of parasitic symbiosis on the body of society.  Which is why he advocated for an expansionist fed.  Funny how with Summers, Geithner, Bernanke, a federalized FNM/FRE and all the rest of these fraudulent fucks in power Mort is still sniveling about how there aren't enough friends of business in the administration...

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 01:02 | 704763 wisefool
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Friends are hard to come by. But I'd take the lot of you over a sliver of gold any day. Thanks for the guidance. I'll read the manifesto.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 01:07 | 704765 Miles Kendig
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Welcome to fight club.  If it is your first time you have to fight.  Find an idea or writer that rubs you right, wrong or whatever go to town and have some fun getting bloody. It takes all of us being as real as we can to get to it so bring yours since it takes everyone to make a society function

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 14:03 | 705338 SRV - ES339
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Very well said (as ususal) Miles.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 21:38 | 705871 Bananamerican
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"have some fun getting bloody."

 

Is THAT why there's only a "junk" button and no "love" button?

In 2007, as now, the economy was issue #1 so I waited to see who O tapped for his econ team. NOTHING else mattered, not his veep pick, nor his stances on abortion, affirmative action, gay rights or health care or any of that other typical topical bullshit. So Obama picked (or had picked for him more likely) the clown car team of oligarch insiders we all know and loathe. What else did ANY sentient being need to know at that point??? another four years of figurehead fronting fucktastic fascism was in the offing...that the country itself was being offed (or "oafed" if you want to be generous...i don't)

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 07:10 | 706292 Miles Kendig
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Digital blow jobs arrive only after some quality fights ..

Most old timers only use the junk button when a +inf or +! just won't do .. unless the comment is truly beyond the great beyond (Which should be a nearly unbearably high/low bar since the site is premised upon being able to be as off the wall as yawanna be).

Keep on keepin' on bringin' it.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 06:33 | 706280 Bartanist
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Congress and the administration did everything for Wall Street and the rest of the parasite class. What they apparently did not do is praise and defend them in the media... and this pissed off the parasites.

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 03:01 | 704817 laughing_swordfish
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Miles, you got some names mixed up.

Dave Stockman: Neo-conservative deficit hawk and failed hedge-fund guy.

Dave Stockton: Utah Jazz basketball immortal (along with Karl Malone).

Go Jazz !

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 03:07 | 704818 Miles Kendig
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Speared  :D  Thanks for the head slap

Perhaps the Jazz can follow the Giants of baseball...

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 13:35 | 705280 mnevins2
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John Stockton - not Dave. I'm a Chicagoan who used to care about professional basketball and so I recall the Jazz - coached by Bulls great - Jerry Sloan!

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 13:44 | 705303 Yes We Can. But...
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How 'bout that friggin Jeff Hornacek!

Sat, 11/06/2010 - 14:20 | 705364 laughing_swordfish
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You're right - my bad it's John Stockton

Besides, here in LV all we get are Lakers games anyhow.

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