Mortgage Gate Just Got Weirder: Counterfeit Court Summons

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Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:03 | 613203 DoChenRollingBearing
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Realtor friend of mine told me an interesting tale.  Seems a homeowner got a foreclosure notice.  Problem was, the owner had paid cash and owed nothing!  Someone had forged documents trying to steal they guy's house.

If that is true, expect lots more fireworks!

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:06 | 613213 PicassoInActions
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"If that is true, expect lots more fireworks!" Fireworks of mass distructions.

Isn't what we were looking for in Iraq?

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 18:24 | 613849 scaleindependent
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Hehe.

The REAL WMD were here.

Mission Accomplished biatchez!

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:07 | 613215 chrisd
Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:35 | 613304 jmc8888
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Could you imagine if this happened to someone in a militia?

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 18:35 | 613889 dkny
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Hold on a second, but isn't this a case where the title insurance company screwed up?

I'll be the first to admit I'm not an expert on this stuff, but isn't it possible that the sale went through, but the mortgage lien remained, hence a foreclosure still possible?

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 18:45 | 613929 kathy.chamberli...
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title fraud, happened to my friend.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:25 | 613277 Slash
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I think someone had something to say about this....oh yes!

 

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies . . . If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] . . . will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered . . . The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson -- The Debate Over The Recharter Of The Bank Bill, (1809)

 

 

looks like we're full steam ahead into the property deprivation part.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 16:35 | 613519 ZackLo
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Yup, we are to the point that the banks own everything (almost) and every corporation depends on the near zero interest rate on margin just to run..It's crazy that over the last 300 years all the hardcore issues have been the same and people say "oh how can the constitution solve all the complex problems of today" There seems to be one problem to solve all problems....the central bank...no different 300 years ago then now..

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 17:18 | 613661 Slash
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exactly. dumbshit's say "oh but the constitution is so old, the world is so different today and the problems are new and unpredictable". Bullshit. Jefferson, among others, predicted the problems to almost exact certainty. Central banking is the same now as it was back then, we just have fancier names and glittery "innovative" financial poducts and arragenments. Just a few extra layers of bullshit piled on top of the base layer of fraud.

 

reminds me of a song....

 

Big man, pig man, ha ha charade you are.
You well heeled big wheel, ha ha charade you are.
And when your hand is on your heart,
You're nearly a good laugh,
Almost a joker,
With your head down in the pig bin,
Saying "Keep on digging."
Pig stain on your fat chin.
What do you hope to find.
When you're down in the pig mine.
You're nearly a laugh,
You're nearly a laugh
But you're really a cry.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 23:36 | 614521 RichardP
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The constitution was drafted to address human nature.  Human nature never changes.  Since we have agreed to live together, how then shall we live?

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:26 | 613280 Tarheel
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how is it possible for a firm to not be able to locate a deed they should have? Come on, a deed is one of the most expensive pieces of paper around (i.e. several hundred thousand in my neighborhood). They should be safeguarding those deeds more than anything in the firm!

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 16:30 | 613502 reading
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Just imagine what they're doing with your personal info if they can't even keep track of their only record of ownership on their collateral.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 20:14 | 614137 Kali
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"personal info" is now an oxymoron.  Hey, isn't this supposed to be the age of information?  No shit.  "can't even keep track of their only record of ownership".

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 18:46 | 613935 kathy.chamberli...
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deed fraud, happened to someone i know.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 16:20 | 613469 Alexandre Stavisky
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"Little pig, little pig let me come in!"

Not by the restraining order yesterday served, neither unless your proper legal service can be established.  Nor still unless your documentation is in perfect order, title is without defect, all notices of default and foreclosure were conducted without error, and you can prove that predatory lending practices or fraudulent inducement were absent in all steps of application, acceptance, distribution, securitization and tranching.  No MERS, photocopying, substitutions are allowed.  Also get in line, the courts are backlogged 24 months on light volume. 

By the way, I also peed on your shoe through the mail slot.

Have a nice day, I'm back to bed.

Breakdown in the mortgage mill, can't grind with only one millstone--having the other about your neck as an ornament to your recklessness makes poor porridge.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 18:47 | 613940 kathy.chamberli...
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your good, i got a court date.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 16:42 | 613535 Pegasus Muse
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Public hangings.  When do they start?  My sensing of the prevailing mood is J6P is about ready to administer the kind of swift justice a complicit corrupt judicial system will not.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 18:27 | 613865 scaleindependent
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What other congressman is doing this, be it Democrat, Republican, Tea Partier, or Libertarian and yet how much hell does Grayson get around here?

 

sigh

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:04 | 613204 greased up deaf guy
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give 'em hell, taz!

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:04 | 613205 themosmitsos
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Tyler, I'll you this. I know they do this shit. But proving it is another matter. If proven however, judges will react VERY BADLY to this precedent existing, and may refuse to allow litigation to continue on any mortgage nationwide. The reason is, this is a direct offense against the Courts' credibility and authority, and thus their very jurisdiction.

THIS FUCKING MESS JUST TURNED INTO A DISASTER

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:11 | 613232 Cognitive Dissonance
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While I appreciate your point, I'm fairly certain that some whore judges won't mind becoming bigger whores. It's just a matter of price. Or desperation.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:18 | 613250 hedgeless_horseman
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Whore judges?  Are there any other kind?

No system is more corrupt than the legal system.

Judges are lawyers.  It is a conflict of interest.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:23 | 613268 LeBalance
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Judges are attorneys.  It is an important distinction.

Attorneys are officers of the Court and have a dual allegence (1) to the Court and (2) to their client.  In all cases if there is a conflict of interest (1) wins.

Who owns the Courts?

The banks, of course.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:30 | 613282 Cognitive Dissonance
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Attorneys are officers of the Court and have a dual allegence....

Serving two masters never works out. So there's plenty of wiggle room in the middle to line the pockets and take care of well paying friends and family. 

I was thinking today that government corruption on this scale is a relatively new concept for the American people to absorb into their very bones. I'm not talking about politicians taking some bribes, I'm talking about wholesale and systemic fraud and corruption in the economic and social systems.

Most Americans still haven't come to grips with the fact that they live within The United Banana Republic States of America.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 16:25 | 613485 MsCreant
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We keep waiting for the one that will be it, don't we? I know I do. But this is an interesting point you are making. Counterfeit court documents WILL blow some folk's minds. If those docs are counterfeit, WHAT ELSE IS COUNTERFEIT? Is there any legitimate law or authority? I do hope this is our black swan coming home to roost.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 17:07 | 613632 Miss Expectations
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There are enough black swans to darken the sky.  I, too hope this one brings us to the tipping point in terms of public awareness and outrage.

I have a neighbor who actually breeds swans.  Last summer a very interested wild swan came around and wanted get into fenced area with the other swans.  He waited and waited....hung out for months and months.  I used to see him swimming in the creek.  He finally gave up and flew off alone. 

 

 

 

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 20:16 | 614145 Kali
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That is so sad.  The true swan is alone.  The captives have company.  That is so,so sad.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 18:52 | 613956 kathy.chamberli...
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i got a court date in a county that ain't too happy about hundreds and hundreds of foreclsoures. plus, the gas and oil companies pulling out really impacted this county. judge ain't happy, nope not one bit.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 16:28 | 613497 Rotwang
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The United Obanana Republic States of Amerika

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 17:22 | 613686 Big Red
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I'm sure you were posting "The United Bushleague Republic States of Amerika", also, right?

 

Screw off, you're still half the problem

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 17:12 | 613647 Uncle Remus
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When life gives you a Banana Republic, you make banana bread.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 17:17 | 613669 MsCreant
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And an Obama Republic, Obama Bread? That is instead of Bernanke Bucks.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 18:36 | 613888 Uncle Remus
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Wed, 09/29/2010 - 20:26 | 614174 WaterWings
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Obama Bread(TM) will soon be hitting shelves everywhere.

SNAP approved.

Charlton Heston yelling something about people.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 23:44 | 614535 RichardP
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Obama Bread = Fiat money??

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 17:11 | 613642 anonnn
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Unclear. Attorneys are anyone appointed to legally represent [recall: power of attorney designations]. They may or may not also be lawyers [licensed to practice law; or even have lawyer training].

The matter of appointed  v. elected judges being lawyers is another matter.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:25 | 613275 hack3434
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Exactly! The legal system is a complete joke and any scumbag lawyer with skills knows how to exploit it. 

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:50 | 613342 JLee2027
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Having been subject to the whims and whammies of the civil legal system for years I both agree and disagree. I do think the legal system will be credible on mortgage cases...because they will fear the result and the wrath if they aren't. 

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 16:01 | 613391 Calculated_Risk
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Exactly. Check out how the probate judges and attorneys are stealing from

the young and old in Arizona...

http://www.azcentral.com/news/probate/probate-stories.html

 

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 19:38 | 614061 Misstrial
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Wow...lots of interesting articles linked. Thanks!

~Misstrial

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:25 | 613273 MachoMan
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CD, most of the judges that would be handling these cases are state judges in courts of general jurisdiction...  needless to say, these are not the guys that are conceivably in the back pockets of the PTB.  Further, there is probably an inherent bias against the large banks in most jurisdictions... you can send these bitches to a jury trial...

The more publicity these cases get, the more enterprising lawyers will be drawn to the pot of gold, and the more homeowners will be helped...

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:30 | 613290 Cognitive Dissonance
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I didn't say all, just some. And not necessarily at this level. You know any judgement will get kicked upstairs. That's where the high class whores live, in the Red Light District of Columbia.

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 16:24 | 613484 DaveyJones
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Red Light District of Columbia, I love it. And your right, titlegate is too big to be solved "legally." tweaking hugh henry, it title is a legal process, hypertitle is a political process... 

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:47 | 613332 Pool Shark
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Exactly.

 

I'm in court everyday, and I can tell you that most of the state court judges I practice before are just as mad at the banks as many of you.

However, the court may not know there's fraud in a given case unless a party calls it to the court's attention.  Also, the court will not assist a party who does not defend its rights. Unfortunately, banks can afford 'good' attorneys while a defendant/homeowner in a foreclosure action is usually on their own, or at best, able to afford an over-worked or under-skilled counsel.

 

On the other hand, when this kind of fraud is discovered and proved, the consequnces for the offending party are sever -- In California, it's a felony punishable by up to three years in state prison, and cannot be reduced to a misdemeanor (see California Penal Code section 132).  

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 16:36 | 613513 DaveyJones
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I've been in court everyday for twenty years now too and you're right, the local judges, like the rest of us are pissed. But CD has a point about the red light district. Not long ago, it was revealed that AT&T systematically assisted in violating the fourth amendment rights of just about everyone who sent an electronic communication. Many of us were outraged and started to sue but they were ultimately given immunity. Why, they were working in collusion with the federal government to push an agenda, an agenda that was for the most part hidden. Isn't this exactly what the big banks and government are doing now? This will be solved politically, not legally, not constitutionally. Ps. I hope your right, I hope I'm wrong

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 17:12 | 613650 Greenweather
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Amen.  We just had our Court of Appeals slap down a non-judicial deed of trust foreclosure for what amounted to a comedy of errors.  But you could really feel their anger with the process because the lone bidder got a piece of property for roughly a 75% discount from FMV.  Of course, the suit would have never seen the light of day if the dispute had been just between the lender, the trustee and borrower because it was rife with mandatory arbitration clauses.  The only way they got it into court was through a quiet title action between the borrower and the lone bidder.

http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/pdf/39265-8.10.doc.pdf

 

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:43 | 613322 JohnKing
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The Florida Supreme Court just green-lighted fraud and misconduct.

Plunder the people!

The court's response, issued Tuesday, said the Florida Constitution and court rules did not give the chief justice authority to intercede in pending cases involving attorney misconduct, or to investigate allegations of fraud or misconduct in foreclosure cases. The fraud cases must first be adjudicated in trial courts, according to the response.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/fl-foreclosure-court-ruling-2010092...

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:50 | 613343 Pool Shark
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Separation of powers...

Courts don't investigate and prosecute crimes; that's for the executive branch (police and district attorneys).

Don't worry though; the wave of prosecutions is about to begin...

Wed, 09/29/2010 - 15:50 | 613346 Commander Cody
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Our laws have evolved only to protect corporate fraud.  Fascism anyone?

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