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Mortgage Lenders Seeking Court Permission To Destroy 22,100 Boxes Of Original Loan Documents

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The solution to the ongoing fraudclosure fiasco is so simply and yet so brilliant (in a way that benefits the banks naturally) is so brilliant, that it has to date evaded most... but not all. The solution: just shred it all. That is what insolvent mortgage lenders Mortgage Lenders Network USA and American Home Mortgage are pushing hard to get permission from their respectively bankruptcy judges in their chapter 7 liquidation cases. Says Reuters: "Federal bankruptcy judges in Delaware are due to hold separate hearings Monday on requests by two defunct subprime mortgage lenders to destroy thousands of boxes of original loan documents. The requests, by trustees liquidating Mortgage Lenders Network USA and American Home Mortgage, come despite intense concerns that paperwork critical to foreclosures and securitized investments may be lost." With servicer banks increasingly unable and unwilling to provide the original lender docs (since they don't have access to them) to parties curious in seeing if there is a legal case to continue paying their mortgage, what better solution than to have the banks retort that the original document was sadly destroyed in a court-appointed shredding. In that way all the fraud canaries are killed with one stone, and the party responsible is none other than some bankruptcy judge who had given the go ahead for the wholesale destruction. And since we are not talking peanuts, in the case of MLN it comes to 18,000 boxes of records, while in the AHOM case it is just over 4,000 boxes, we wonder just how many other originators have gotten a comparable idea from the banks, and are currently busy shredding every last detail of an original mortgage note. Good luck trying to convince anyone that the bank is not in possession of a mortgage that was "purposefully" destroyed as part of a company's liquidation proceedings. Soon to follow: the burning of all books and the banning of all websites that dare to claim this is nothing but pure, grade-A criminal destruction of evidence.

More from Reuters on this stunning development:

In the Mortgage Lenders case, the U.S. Attorney in Delaware has formally objected to the requested destruction because loss of the records "threatens to impair federal law enforcement efforts."

The former subprime lender shut down in February 2007. In a January 6, 2010, motion, Neil Luria, the liquidating trustee, asked Bankruptcy Judge Peter J. Walsh for permission to destroy nearly 18,000 boxes of records now warehoused by document storage company Iron Mountain Inc.

In the American Home Mortgage case, the liquidating trustee, Steven Sass, has asked Bankruptcy Judge Christopher Sontchi to approve destruction of 4,100 boxes of loan documents stored in a dank parking garage beneath the company's former headquarters in Melville, Long Island.

AHM had been one of the biggest originators of subprime loans until it abruptly collapsed and closed in August 2007. The boxes are the last still held by AHM. Sass stated that the local fire marshal wants the documents removed as a fire hazard, and he said the cost of moving them would be prohibitive.

The reason cited for this scandalous request: warehousing costs:

Luria stated that destruction is necessary to eliminate $16,000 per
month in storage costs as he disposes of the last assets of the bankrupt

This is akin to the Fed terminated the reporting of the M3 due to the exorbitant costs associated with keeping track of a few data series...

And, not surprisingly, we find that some have already been going through with document shreeding for a long time already:

In accordance with a 2009 court order, the bankrupt company earlier had destroyed the contents of thousands of other boxes after banks and other loan servicers had been given a chance to request and pick up particular files.

Gee, we wonder why the banks opted out of picking up files confirming they are not the proper servicer on thousands of mortgages.

And in conclusion:

In court documents, Sass stated that most of the records AHM still has in storage relate to mortgages issued more than eight years ago. He also said that employees had searched the files and pulled out all vital original records, such as promissory notes, and had handed them over to the appropriate mortgage servicers, and that most of the documents had been electronically imaged and retained in a database.

But people involved in winding down AHM's affairs say that neither the contents of the boxes or the database have been audited, and that it's possible the boxes still contain crucial documents such a promissory notes. Investors must have the original promissory notes, not copies, to be able to foreclose.

The take home message: should the bankruptcy court side with the liquidation trustees, Neil Luria and Steven Sass, who without a doubt have had extended discussions with the current batch of TBTFs which will be hung out to dry if the fraudclosure issue is further prosecuted, then it is safe to say that any claim that America has a fair and impartial judicial system can follow the last hopes of Emanuel's mayoral campaign dream right out of the window.



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Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:06 | 899547 Confused
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$16,000 a month? hahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:13 | 899577 Sudden Debt
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I've got a few garage boxes where they can store it FOR ONLY $15.999,99


Just imagine some moron would have bought a document scanner and put it all on 1 DVD!


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:44 | 899711 SRV - ES339
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r.i.p. Ian

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:26 | 899634 Confused
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Thanks exactly what my first thought was. 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:36 | 899674 Slow learner
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How much dose the apartment above you rent for?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:41 | 899695 SheepDog-One
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Still theyre using 1970's style 'banker boxes'? LMAO no wonder theyre all bankrupt! Hell even my mom has everything on disk!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:32 | 899875 TeMpTeK
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Mortgage note instruments must be originals only.. Copies in any form wont pass muster..

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:21 | 899612 Cognitive Dissonance
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$16,000 a month? hahahahahahahahhhahahahahahahahahahahahaha

OK Zero Hedge readers. Let's pass the hat and save those poor files from destruction. Maybe we can get WB7 to come up with some artwork to commemorate the occasion.

Save the files. Give till it hurts......the TBTF.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:29 | 899649 Confused
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Sorry, I know that was immature. Its just amazingly painful to hear some of these things. I know storage costs can be high.....but really. To me (not that I know better) it just seems a bit high.


But I was also laughing because that excuse is just weak. 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:43 | 899702 DonnieD
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We've already paid $160 million defending Fannie and Freddie. And now they have to destroy evidence to save $15,000 a month. Fuck you, legal system. 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:40 | 899913 Common_Cents22
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No shit, that lawyer should have been bitch slapped for wasting the courts time with that request.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:41 | 899915 Common_Cents22
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No shit, that lawyer should have been bitch slapped for wasting the courts time with that request.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:22 | 900303 Boxed Merlot
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The reason cited for this scandalous request: warehousing costs:...


If the US taxpayer can pay to keep likes of Chuck Manson eating, breathing and equipped with a cell phone, surely we can do something about the Documents the middle class home owner / buyers have entrusted to the financial establishments to keep safe and secure.  For crying out loud, why do they even have those silly rooms with the great big doors in back of their robo signers for?  Appearance?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:56 | 899750 Cognitive Dissonance
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Actually I wasn't dissing you, but instead the fact that the excuse is so ridiculous as to push the boundaries of the surreal. The storage cost (for off site storage at least) isn't that high believe it or not. A buck a box a month is about right.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:08 | 900973 Problem Is
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I'll store the option-ARMs from 2005 last name starting L in my garage for free... I prefer vintage Tangelo's but any sub prime sleaze ball originator will do...

I will pay a premium for any loan docs Robo signed using Timmay or Dodd's signature...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:37 | 899683 In Fed We Trust
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No real ly, they ought to auction of those boxes on Ebay! 

Surely, some one is willing to pay for the evidence, behind the biggest fraud this

country has ever seen.  Even if just to put the boxes into a musuem of some sort.

Paging Paul Allen for the museum.

Paging Matt Tabbai

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:58 | 899761 Commander Cody
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I suspect there are many valuable SS #s in those boxes.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:34 | 899889 cramers_tears
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I've got a 480k warehouse that's sitting vacant, I'd let go for $2500/mos on a month to month arrangement.  I'm already making inquiries to the Trustees.  Also, if there are lawsuits pending naming these companies as defendants, the plaintiff's attorney's should be all over this.  Request production of all 16,000/4,500 boxes.  That should put a dent in the Trustee's motion.

But, Control Fraud will prevail as it always does...  Americans, we poor dumb bastards!

Oh, wait, I've got to go...  Prep up for the new "The Bachelor" on ABC tonite @ 8.

Synopsis: A bachelorette wakes up with a mysterious black eye; Brad takes one woman on a date to Catalina Island; much is revealed on a group date to a radio show; Brad invites a woman on a picnic right before the rose ceremony.
Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:50 | 899941 kentfinance
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every day i think i have seen everything...but then this...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:31 | 900102 bonddude
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Obama and Bush talk about more Fukin Ahole


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:56 | 900190 Onohymagin
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18,000 documents proving 18,000 loans, must be worth at least 18,000 x the average mortgage = say 2 billion dollars worth.

They really should store that lot in a bank!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:07 | 899550 tmosley
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Why weren't these documents transferred to the entities that purchased the mortgages?

It seems to me that if these guys are bankrupt, and all their assets have been sold, then these boxes should be shredded.  If they still contain original documentation, that is the fault of the purchaser, and they simply lose.  They should be under no obligation to keep the documents.  If the court wants them kept, then the court should pay for it.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:15 | 899584 MachoMan
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Bingo.  If you get sent notification to come pick up the original docs that you'll likely later need to show up in court, and yet you refuse to do so, then I can't possibly see how you can avail yourself of this fact when the inevitable court showdown occurs.  If they don't want to come pick the shit up, fine, but it'll make their job harder later on.  Destroy the docs and rock and roll.  Snooze you lose.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:24 | 899623 Cognitive Dissonance
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This is the result of a simply cost benefit analysis. What's in those boxes can hurt them more than if they didn't have the boxes.

Meaning the prosecutor/court can prove fraud with them and it's much harder without.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:12 | 899798 MachoMan
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There has to be an electronic or some other copy out there...  If you were "assigned" a mortgage that you never looked at, then I would strongly suspect you will have a very bad day in court when someone scrutinizes the transaction and you have no possible way to prove an assignment.  This is why the original documents are stored and not simply scanned and destroyed...  for the potential court battle where the original may have to be produced.

The cost of keeping the documents cannot remain in perpetuity.

My point is more so for those persons on down the stream, not with the mortgage originators themselves.  Of course the mortgage originators would like to destroy the documents (my guess is the wording of everything is as broad as possible so as to allow them to destroy as many documents as possible)...  this is why they petitioned the court in the first place...  duh. 

However, what I do not understand is why those persons on down the stream, who would presumably need these documents (the originals), could not care less about their destruction.  If they are certain that they do not need originals (many places they don't), then the originals serve no fruitful purpose and, if not necessary, I have reservations about whether a court would likely require dissemination/discovery of the original... 

Ultimately, you can forge any kind of document and, unless they are incredibly enterprising, you can simply compare the signatures, etc., on various documents...  dates of assignment...  etc.  The originals really aren't saving us from anything to which we are not already privy.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:21 | 899831 tmosley
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My guess is that those downstream own MBS rather than regular mortgages.  They likely have no idea they are missing the documents, and no-one who knows, cares, because it isn't their money.

This is corporatism.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:45 | 899869 Cognitive Dissonance
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As a lawyer, and I assume an ethical one based upon your intelligence and empathetic conversations over the months, you see this problem from that point of view.

If however you were a fraudster and Ponzi proponent who is worried not just about jail time, but about your very financial and political survival, all you are thinking about is how to kick the can to the next week. If you don't get to next week, downstream means nothing. The people downstream are up to their necks in this mess or are connected to those who are, either transparently or secretly. A cluster-fuck usually means everyone is involved in some respect or another.

I have come to understand that not only is fraud from 2004 to 2010 being covered up, but fraud from the last 30 years.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:18 | 900273 MachoMan
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I agree that this is probably (certainly?) beneficial to originators outside of the mere warehousing fees.  I just don't understand why down stream assignees would not be up in arms about the issue (or this isn't reported on here anyway).  These are the kinds of scenarios that we, as people who want to change things for the better, love because it pits multiple fraudsters against one another.  Kind of like p itting lawyers against their clients...  outside of a cushy settlement with a captured governmental actor, that would usually yield to all sorts of important morsels/evidence.

In short, I cannot reconcile why those facing putbacks and/or being the party required to proceed through foreclosure would not desperately ensure themselves they have possession of these documents.  If you were certain the fix was in, then that might account for it...  or, if the originals were certain to be unnecessary in any prospective lawsuit, then that would account for it...  or, if by virtue of moral hazard you were not incentivized to care, then that would account for it...  but, I'm still puzzled.  I suspect it's a combination of many things...  but none is really jumping out at me.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:53 | 899942 knukles
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Yeah, and all the remaining electronic copies were signed by Mrs. Roberta N. Umnuts, dated as of January 24, 2011, notarized in the Great State of Hawaii, Divison of Live Birth Records, and just for the record, it was only this morning that Ms. Umnuts visited the U.S. Consulate in Sah-n-nah-nah, Yeah-man to apply for her U.S. visa in order to testify as a character witness in the extradition trial of her her quadriplegic half-witted sister who has been designated an illegal immigrant since found in the front wheel well of a Trans-Fusion 707 at JFK in 1979, which probably places her credibility on par with Jarred Laughner's petition for release on his own recognizance.  

This shit is about as reasonable as Kristallnacht and using the Book Burning as tinder for torching the Reichstag.


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 22:41 | 901321 eddiebe
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Dude you need to do stand up comedy!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:45 | 899720 DonnieD
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Your argument makes perfect sense in a vacuum. But we're talking about the biggest financial fraud in the history of the United States.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:30 | 899655 Slow learner
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there is no liveing intellegence to be made of...It turns good on good; that's what scares the fuck out'a me!!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:07 | 899551 Xibalba
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What documents?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:41 | 899697 docj
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These documents are long gone - they're just trying to get a "Get Out of Club Fed FREE!" card from the judge, now.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:07 | 899552 Marc45
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So if they destroy the original loan docs, doesn't that beg the question of who owns the loan and how do they prove this?

OTH, if they can still prove loan ownership, then it's a moot point.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:59 | 899763 TruthInSunshine
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Evidentiary rules, in all but the most incredibly narrow and extreme cases, require originals (not copies) of documents such as mortgage notes to be submitted to a court of competent jurisdiction, and ultimately, the trier of fact (whether judge or jury), in order to maintain an action on "an instrument."

Many issues of fact arise from the submission of original documents, such as accuracy, the dating of the ink on paper, and other such matters, that can have a highly influential role to play in determining sequence of events and credibility of witnesses.

This is a massive red flag, but I am not seeing how this could benefit the banks who have their documents challenged as to authenticity in future foreclosure proceedings.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:08 | 899554 Seasmoke
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sorry but this is not going to "cut it"

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:09 | 899559 Confused
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well played. 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:08 | 899556 apberusdisvet
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But but but............according to several articles on the website, I thought that many of the docs had been purposely destroyed long ago.  Or were they just the Countrywide and WAMU docs?  Anyone know?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:28 | 899644 LiquidBrick
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But but but............according to several articles on the website, I thought that many of the docs had been purposely destroyed long ago.  Or were they just the Countrywide and WAMU docs?  Anyone know?

Some title co's were entrusted to record the docs and the sloppy/inefficient ones would fall many months behind schedule when the market was busy, not paying property taxes, not recording mtges/deeds and trying to profit with interest income spreads from their Departmentals Account ($ that goes to the state, county, etc).

Title co's would usually payoff old mortgages due to increased payoffs from interest but they would cross the line with municipal obligations and sometimes not record at all.

Far messier than we think for sure.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:09 | 899558 faustian bargain
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Why don't they just ship the papers to Wikileaks. I'm sure they can figure out how to store them.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:10 | 899561 Ragnarok
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Just wow.....

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:38 | 899688 Chris Jusset
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Yeah, this is totally surreal ... you can't make this shit up:


With servicer banks increasingly unable and unwilling to provide the original lender docs (since they don't have access to them) to parties curious in seeing if there is a legal case to continue paying their mortgage, what better solution than to have the banks retort that the original document was sadly destroyed in a court-appointed shredding. In that way all the fraud canaries are killed with one stone, and the party responsible is none other than some bankruptcy judge who had given the go ahead for the wholesale destruction.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:00 | 899766 midtowng
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It makes perfect sense for the mortgage servicers. I don't know why they didn't do it sooner.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:10 | 899562 digalert
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"the court told us to destroy the documents"

...and just when you think you've heard it all.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:12 | 899570 Bob
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It worked for Enron and Anderson . . . wait a minute.  Why they asking for permission, anyway?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:16 | 899590 SheepDog-One
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Right, well remember the Enron documents were destroyed in building 7 during 9-11, when a steel structure fell freefall due to a couple office wastebasket fires.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:35 | 899666 Bob
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Obviously I have to defer to you on that, SDOne!  I thought they'd done it themselves.  What a buncha dolts. 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:05 | 899995 knukles
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For which there is great legal precedence with Rose Mary Woods' demonstration of scratching her snortch whilst reaching for the newly invented Pentel HI-POLYMER eraser, mistakenly grabbing Alexander Haig's crotch and in surprise rapture kicking her foot out, placing it squarely on the Dick-a-phone pedal and erasing all of the critical tape recordings of Nixon fixing the NCAA women's water polo games, no less!

Which brings me squarely to the moral of the moment.... Oh the zeitgeist of it all!  Tell a little fib, the shit spirals all out of control and next thing you're doing is making fun of people who get abducted by aliens for anal cavity searches whilst training airport security agents.
Never fails.

We Need To Get A Grip.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:12 | 900032 Bob
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You're disputing the fate of the Enron records, then??

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:19 | 900055 Bob
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Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:13 | 899576 Sean7k
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Hey, they tossed out the law a long time ago. What an antiquated concept...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:28 | 899642 Oh regional Indian
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Sean, there never was a law as you were made to believe is more accurate. The illusion of an illusion has been stripped is all. 

No american "citizen" is party to the constitution.


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:44 | 899712 Sean7k
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Now don't go all "conspiracy theorist" on me ORI.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:46 | 899722 In Fed We Trust
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For the same reason, storage costs. C, the law books were getting just to volumious and to big, especially in international law and tax law, so they just tossed the laws into the paper shredder.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:13 | 899578 unwashedmass
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everyone reading this needs to contact their State ATtorney General immediately, and forward the article.

Enough of this sitting passively watching them gang rape the public.

we need to start howling.....howling.....

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:35 | 899668 LiquidBrick
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Enough of this sitting passively watching them gang rape the public.

What are you talking about? The public is in a massive default. Default on student loans, mortgages, credit cards - that is the consumer's bailout. A forced market correction in all asset classes despite the Fed's Quantitative Easing.

I made more money defaulting and not working than making payroll each week for 45 people as I did in 2005, much happier and look much younger.

I think I will go to the gym now if I feel like it. This is freedom - for now - but I'm forced to adopt a "kick the can" business philosophy now.

Since I couldn't sell my house at 15% below my purchase price I will end up buying it back myself via short sale at 50% of the payoff amount in 2016 - after the bank paid about $60,000 in property taxes.

A bailout for a bailout.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:50 | 899862 Hephasteus
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Are you going to do 4 sets of atlas shrugs, 5 sets of shoulder shrugs and 6 sets of squatters?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:24 | 900072 Bob
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Unless you either work "under the table" or not at all, you'll pay--principle, fees, interest and costs.  The creditors are selling the debt cheap to collectors, as usual, and they will obtain pro forma garnishments eventually. 

Debt slavery. 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:08 | 900248 downwiththebanks
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Default to whom, exactly?  

The FED?  

Sure thing, skippy.  

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 22:35 | 901298 eddiebe
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Howling??? Ok, now that is funny!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:17 | 899579 Cognitive Dissonance
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If they can't shred the documents, they'll just get the forest service to order up a prescribed burn.


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:30 | 899654 In Fed We Trust
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What happened to the old days where by documents(Enron) were just moved to a tall building or two and then burnt those buildings to the ground with jet fuel and jets?

Maybe Larry Silverstein is retired from the buz?

I heard the other day that 2 trillion that disappeared from the gov pockets was announced  Sept 10, 2001, and guess where the docs were stored?

In the Pantagon's West wing! Ooouch! OR Nice One! depending on who you work for.



Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:09 | 899791 Confuchius
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Not that it's important, but no steel building anywhere on this planet has ever been destroyed/collapsed/imploded because of "kerosene" or other hydrocarbon fuel fires.

Only Larry Silverstein can arrange to "pull it" and of course the brothers Bush.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:48 | 899935 jomama
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actually, three 'collapsed due to hydrocarbon fuel fires' on September 11, 2001.  

The first and probably the last to do so...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:13 | 900034 knukles
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And not just that wing of the Pentagon, but the exact fucking room that the information was stored in.  The loss by the way had been publicly announced within a day of the bombings.  Avgas slurpee anybodee?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:42 | 899699 RemiG2010
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Burn Baby Burn!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:01 | 900932 Problem Is
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"Just can't stop,
When my spark gets hot.

Burn baby burn! - Disco inferno!
Burn baby burn! - Burn that mother down!"

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:14 | 899581 Dick Darlington
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And so the rape continues. Palms on the hood of the bail-out wagon, please.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:15 | 899583 Burticus
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This brings back old memories of when I was working as an auditor for a Big Four CPA firm in Honolulu.  In a litigation support case, the defendant company's Controller and I traveled to a remote location in Kauai to review and request copies of boxes of accounting records from the plaintiff, whom had alleged ties to the local organized crime syndicate.  The company's employees were less than cordial.

A week or two later, I spit my coffee when reading a small column tucked away in the Hawaii Business Journal announcing that a fire had destroyed the office and made sure to specify, "All records were destroyed."

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:18 | 899600 MachoMan
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I guess you had to just go hang out on the north shore/napali coast, asshole (I'm envious).

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:15 | 899585 John McCloy
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Guinness all round. 

Commit a crime and then cover it up...1st century solutions for a 21st century problem. So much innovation in all these centuries amongst the criminals.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:16 | 899592 Bob
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This is akin to the Fed terminated the reporting of the M3 due to the exorbitant costs associated with keeping track of a few data series...


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:35 | 899669 Cash_is_Trash
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Go long: shredders, lubricating oil and matches

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:56 | 899756 A_MacLaren
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I'd rather go long torches and pitchfork, tar and feathers.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 22:25 | 901268 eddiebe
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I see no other options, A_!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:16 | 899594 CD
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Well, isn't this an investment/extortion/arbitrage opportunity for a wily investor? Buy up the 22K boxes (no more than a few tractor trailers full) and sell back the notes to the servicing banks. Or interested mortgage-holders. Even if you only have resources to go through a few hundred boxes, one might think that a "reasonable" markup would cover costs and profit plenty?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:43 | 899706 Bob
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I'd file that Motion if I were you. Quick.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:53 | 899740 bunkermeatheadp...
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Because the docs would be subpoenaed from you, if the banks or borrow needed them.

A court will only allow you to make a reasonable fee for providing the docs, not a Dr. Evil extortion amount.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:38 | 899899 CD
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This was intended in jest. But the BANKS would not want the docs to surface, thus would not subpoena. The lender would have a difficult time knowing that these boxes contained his/her particular paper, unless directly contacted.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 19:42 | 900650 GreenSideUp
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I <3 problem solvers! :)

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:21 | 899611 dark pools of soros
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which episode of Storage Wars is this??

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:52 | 899736 In Fed We Trust
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Next decade it will be like...


Can you give us the go ahead of unpluggung these servers that hold the entire database because frankly we just cant afford to keep pay the electric bill anymore after Google fucked us last month? 

If Google wasn't so stingy with their energy it would be a different story your honor.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:24 | 899621 Milestones
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I wonder--Once this mortgage fiasco is over if MGM will try and make a musical out of the whole thing. Ya I know with Gene Kelly now dead the choreography will suffer but just maybe all the millions who have lost their homes and had their lives destroyed get at least get a chance to grin as they see their travails set to music; most fittingly by Gershwin and financed J.P. Morgan. 


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:28 | 899640 AnAnonymous
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Ah, the rule of law, you gotta love it.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:44 | 899715 Wynn
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or miss it, at least

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:34 | 899665 Sudden Debt
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They should ask Ben and Timmy how he handles all that surplus money.

Maybe they still have some space to spare where they store that$ in 100$ bills?


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:36 | 899677 Cash_is_Trash
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You mean all that money for our children and grandchilren's future?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:54 | 899700 Sudden Debt
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HAHAHAHAHA, money for our grandchildren :) You're a funny guy.


No no, that's already long gone.

I mean the money from your great great great great great great grandschildren's great great great great great great great grandchildren.


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:37 | 899678 Cash_is_Trash
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You mean all that money for our children and grandchilren's future?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:36 | 899671 Dr. Porkchop
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Just toss the Constitution in there too, since it's no longer needed.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:36 | 899672 plocequ1
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Rent, Rent, Rent.. Its good for ya

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:42 | 899696 sabra1
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isn't it more reasonable to recycle the paper to print more benny bucks?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:43 | 899704 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Where's your line in the sand Americans?

I don't think you have one.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:57 | 899760 LFMayor
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That's what the Japanese said, too.

Keep pushing Posey... he loves that shit.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:08 | 899787 Bob
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I can certainly understand your skepticism.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:10 | 899794 SheepDog-One
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Americans will put up with any level of raping, they LIKE it!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:16 | 899813 samsara
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....In other news,   suspected serial killer asking court permission to cremate a dozen bodies in large incinerator ahead of being arraigned.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:43 | 899708 equity_momo
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In fairness , having the courts pass this shredding motion is cheaper than demolishing the storage facilities and trying to make it look an accident by flying planes into neighbouring buildings. 

Theres always the option of killing 2 birds with 1 stone and using that as an excuse to start another war however. Cant let that opportunity go to waste.

Now , whos got some resources we could plunder that we arent yet plundering?

See , once you think like an Illuminati you see the positives in everything.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:11 | 899801 SheepDog-One
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Right, but you get junked for saying the truth around here.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:44 | 899709 buzzsaw99
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Free houses for deadbeats, woohoo!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:51 | 899731 Bob
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Well, since you put it that way, you're right:


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:06 | 900238 downwiththebanks
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buzzsaw, a lackey for the banker-gangster home robbers, would prefer the scam continue.

Gee - I wonder who butters his bread?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:51 | 899733 TWORIVER
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Last hour drop coming up as Metals continue to fail.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:00 | 899767 Hephasteus
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I switched to me leet (1337) avatar  when it passed 1337 on way up. Now it's at 1337 on way down in dollars.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:22 | 899835 Piranhanoia
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This might start the fire

that was always burning since the world was turning

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:25 | 899846 Dr. Gonzo
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USSA...Most corrupt nation on the planet run by the worst sort of hypocrites.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:40 | 899910 spongeBOB
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The judge ruled against the shredding....

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:08 | 900006 Bob
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Now when only half of them end up missing it will look like an honest mistake, given their documented conscientiousness and all. 

Wonder if they were inventoried on a finer scale than just "boxes."

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:40 | 899912 Dr. Gonzo
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So many incriminating documents. So few options to destroy the evidence.  This story was on NPR this morning. I laughed because they reported it in a "matter of fact" way. "Nothing to see here. Move along folks. If they don't get a court order to shred those official documents the nation might go bankrupt." I personaly had no idea it was so expensive to hold onto incriminating evidence. I guess in the country that can't not afford to always have 1 or 2 wars going prices of things get screwy.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:42 | 899919 slackrabbit
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I really do have a cold shiver running down my back!

What's next, killing Ron Paul, Alex Jones and shutting down Zero hedge?

It would seem outlandish, but think we just passed that point...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:52 | 899951 tony bonn
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how in god's name could a court system run nixon out of office for obstruction of justice, lying, and document shredding when it is about to become law of the land? this nation owes richard nixon a huge apology.

of course this is evidence that the usa is a criminal state run by criminals for criminals.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:11 | 900022 Bob
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I suspect that even the Russians, behind their laughter, feel worse about it than the average misformed American. 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:29 | 900097 Lord Koos
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The pressure on the judges in these cases must be enormous.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:05 | 900235 downwiththebanks
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In default to whom?

These banker-gangsters who are off in a Singapore brothel shredding documents?

Sure thing, skippy!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:38 | 900370 anolmec
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hmmmm............i guess the banksters forgot to put these in building 7

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 19:31 | 900607 LooseLee
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I'm fine with the destruction of these documents as long as any officer or executive of the companies or any bank executives involved are also 'shredded'....

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 20:54 | 900895 Buck Johnson
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I can't believe any judge would allow this.  All this does is to say I would if I could with your note, but the judge said it was okay to shred the evidence.  So if you have a any issue with that go to the court.  The banks know that the only way to get out of paying money and being liable is to obfuscate and make so much chaos that it would be impossible for any judge to rule against the banks for things that where "out of the banks hands" like the shredding.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 20:55 | 900901 Problem Is
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Uh-Oh Delaware
You know those Fed Judges have to be Biden crooked...

The Wall Street/ DC Criminality Stinks From Here
This does not look good for any form of justice... The courts should seize those documents immediately before "water" or "rodent" damage finishes those files off...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:06 | 900966 fallst
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Pleese Help! We stashed our 3 Trillion of Toxics with Benny. And the Bonuses are very sweet.


But this warehousing of all these confusing documents, Cruel and Unusual. Let's Burn Them! ok good...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:22 | 901039 albion402
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Someone must have a brother-in-law in the shredder business! Unbelievable!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 21:25 | 901051 ReeferMac
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Jesus, I swear I just read that same passage on page 28 of Orwell's 1984!!!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 22:22 | 901257 eddiebe
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The more I learn about human behavior (  far too few exceptions ) I am forced to conclude that we are a failed experiment. It keeps getting harder and harder to keep a sense of humor about all this. It seems like the tower of babel revisited with crap piled higher and higher. Look out down belowwwww!

Anybody out there see anything to make you believe we are not in for one hell of a shit storm?

 I realize this comment does'nt necessarily fit this lead topic but it fits 90 plus% of anything I read on Z.H., which I highly respect. It's just all so depressing...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 22:44 | 901336 Caveman93
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In construction lending, we were permitted to destroy the files 2 to 3 years AFTER the loan was paid in full. This is nutz!

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 09:41 | 902198 Youri Carma
Tue, 01/25/2011 - 12:50 | 903015 Judge Fedd
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Ha, they keeping these documents in Long Island which is one of the most expensive places in the US to live or run a business. How long until they are "accidently" destroyed by a flood?

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 14:16 | 1399205 jstar
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Perhaps a way could be found to somehow transfer the information on the documents electronically to a hard disk.

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