Most Profitable Q1 Investing Strategy? Identifying And Shorting Chinese Frauds

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Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:11 | 1282751 NoBull1994
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I'd like to know how they are valuing each of their shorts, and what their true ability is to realize these returns by covering or selling puts.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:49 | 1285417 arthur darrell
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they dont sell puts they buy them then exercise. you cant be subject to a buy in on a halted stock.if the shares reemerge on the pinkie sheets ( intended ) it is questionable if there is a need to close out the short stock but my guess is that will be when a buy in may occur , most likely for pennies.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 06:14 | 1286357 ZeroPower
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you cant be subject to a buy in on a halted stock.

Your put go out worthless if stock is halted and your expirty month was within that timeframe.

Short stock is the best bet, if youre willing to tie up that capital for months..

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:04 | 1285492 arthur darrell
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value @ bid price = 0

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:14 | 1282752 Internet Tough Guy
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Remember when it was profitable to short American frauds?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:14 | 1283035 Popo
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And it will be again.  All in good time ITG.... all in good time.

The people thinking that they've got the market 'completely rigged this time', and that it will 'go up forever'... are only feeling right because we've been on a 4-year run.  

4 years is not remotely long-in-the-tooth for a bull run.  But this too shall pass.  And when it does, the shorting opportunities are going to be one for the history books.


Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:06 | 1285504 arthur darrell
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P-u mean "one for the kindle", right? we no longer publish history books except those $200 new ones on college campuses

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:15 | 1283056 I am a Man I am...
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or how about being double short real estate with that awesome ETF SRS?;ran...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:15 | 1282756 AGORACOM
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No doubt ... but babies are being thrown out with the bathwater, setting up some great opportunities for big gains on legitimate Chinese small-caps.  Here are some companies that I found and reported yesterday:

Anybody else out there tracking oversold Chinese small-caps?

George ... The Greek ... From Canada

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:45 | 1282919 Boilermaker
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Classic...when is the jerkey making machine and in-the-egg scrambler going to be pitched?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:55 | 1282976 LFMayor
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Personally I'd like to see the Tadpole/pocket fisherman come back.  Hell, I'd buy another one as a companion for my 70's orig.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:19 | 1283061 Boilermaker
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Don't forget the never-dying 'worlds sharpest knife' and the litany of 'power juicers' out there.  All this guy needs is a covered wagon and flipped over barrel to stand on and he's in biz!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 12:57 | 1283473 tired1
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How much is mandatory wagon insurance? Where does one get  a horse driver's license and how often does it have to go through emmisions testing?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 13:05 | 1283505 tired1
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duplicate post

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:15 | 1282757 MonsterZero
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Does it really matter if they were actually frauds or not? Profits all the same with bashing legit companies.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:18 | 1282775 LRC Fan
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DXY just tanked, Dow went vertical.  Go figure

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:18 | 1282789 AGORACOM
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I find the "Future Returns" section most interesting.  In essence, the easy and fat money has been made.  Good on them for exposing and profiting from these frauds ... but have to think we are getting close to a point that going long on babies thrown out with the bathwater will return some equally impressive gains.

My call is that we see a bottom by Sept/Oct based on tax-loss selling ... followed by a big move in Q4 and well into 2012 ... all other things being equal.

George ... The Greek ... From Canada

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:22 | 1282828 JulianTrader
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Yum-cha stocks, biatcheZ!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:26 | 1282835 AGORACOM
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Sorry guys ... ZH was displaying a "time-out" message, so I kept retrying.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:28 | 1282842 AGORACOM
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Sorry guys ... ZH was displaying a "time-out" message, so I kept retrying.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:40 | 1282908 Boilermaker
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The most profitable investing strategy is long REITS...all REITS.

It's literally the only death-defying-gravity-immune financial instrument that never ever goes forever ever.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:47 | 1282938 Careless Whisper
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apparently you people didn't get today's memo from goldmansachs

Goldman Sachs: China Stocks May Go Crazy in Second Half 2011


Tue, 05/17/2011 - 15:46 | 1284341 Missing_Link
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Good to know when Goldman will be dumping their shares.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:42 | 1283159 NotApplicable
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Given that China is wholly owned by the gang d.b.a. government, I'd expect the vast majority of these companies to be frauds, even if they currently appear legit, as it is just another version of warfare against the dying, western empire.

Think about it. When I do turn on CNBS, the only new listings ringing the bell are Chinese companies. Nasdaq & NYSE, needing the business, welcome them with open arms as it gives both sides an appearance of credibility.

Meanwhile, under the covers and off of the books, the wealth transfer effect operates until the facade cracks.

If I were a gambling man, I'd short them all. China may be a psuedo-Communist state leaning towards Fascism with a pretense of Capitalism, but I'm sure they can no better control the invisible hand than say, Stalin did. Instead they follow the destructive path of TINA, pragmatically saving today by sacrificing tomorrow.

Even if there are legit Chinese companies listed, they will eventually be targeted, as the flow of wealth will be too great for the criminals to resist taking.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 14:26 | 1283893 El Gato
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Which companies are next? How many China RTOs are left?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:45 | 1285402 arthur darrell
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gfre had "numbers" and gain 40% today, to 4!

chbt is wayy up there heck a rare double digiter.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 15:45 | 1284333 shoptalk
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"Which companies are next?"

Perhaps Beijing-based Longtop Financial (LFT) which closed yesterday at 18.93, halted before today's open and has yet to re-open. 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:04 | 1284921 El Gato
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Any other ones?  Can't trade a halted stock. And Tyler, why can't we access the Nov'10 ZH posting -- was that the posting of Frazer Frost-audited stocks you put up when the fraud that was RINO was uncovered by Muddy Waters?

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