As Munger's Anti-Gold Campaign Kicks Into High Gear, Buffett Confirms He May Have "Held Something Back" About Sokol

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Sat, 04/30/2011 - 13:53 | 1224192 Gold 36000
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Has everyone forgotten the vast corruption in re-insurance contracts that the Vampire of Omaha did a few years ago?  It was a classic case of moving capital around to various insurance subsidiaries to prove they were capitalized, then once audited they move it on to the next subsidiary.  General Re was the evil AIG of the insurance industry.  Fuck that evil bastard Buffet.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:00 | 1224198 Gold 36000
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Can we now rename him the vampire of Omaha?  Now with all his TARP and General Re corruption exposed it is clear he is just a bloodsucker.

To clarify General Re it was a case of each insurance company selling another insurance company a swap or a reinsurance contract.  If two undercapitlized companies sell each other reinsurance contracts then it looks good on paper.  It was and still is a foul nest of dozens of insurance companies buying and selling reinsurance contracts from each other backed by (pause for dramatic effect) each others' reinsurance contracts!

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:27 | 1224243 bonddude
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Sounds like Enron. This guy thinks because he can pet Becky everybody believes in his mojo.

He's a liar. I like how Michael Steinhardt busted him recently.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 15:48 | 1224320 Quixotic_Not
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I'm sure Becky is upset that her and the oralcle from BlowMaha won't be able to lube up with anymore free Lubrizol!

Poor lil' pathological liars...

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:48 | 1224273 Caviar Emptor
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Dont' forget this too: if two undercapitalized companies sell each other reinsurance contracts then that justifies executive salaries, bonuses and expense accounts culled from client premium payments (who have no idea said companies are undercapitalized and have no intention of paying out )

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:04 | 1224206 unclebigs
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Why is today's price of gold realistic but the stock price of Webvan and was unrealistic?  

What's a useless metal worth when the PV of future cash flows is $0?

Sheeple, you're paying $1,560 per ounce of metal that is guaranteed to never pay you a dime in return.

Pull your head out of your asses and think.


Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:06 | 1224212 Id fight Gandhi
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Yeah don't buy metals put your money into sound investments like travel zoo and

Fucking dot com bubble back in force with fed backing.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:15 | 1224222 unclebigs
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So the only choices are Gold or Travelzoo?  Take a class in Logic 101 Dumbshit.



Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:15 | 1224227 traderjoe
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Look everybody, we have a new PM troll! 

Hey, fucktard, riddle me this - what's the present value of the cash flows to Berkshire stock?

Hint: it doesn't pay a dividend...

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:37 | 1224258 Hephasteus
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Persistant troll is persistant. I think you will collapse of heart attack during the bargaining phase of all this.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 17:55 | 1224505 DavidC
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I agree with you, but the word is 'persistent'.

Yes, I'm happy to be corrected on my own spelling and grammar!


Sat, 04/30/2011 - 15:01 | 1224292 Calmyourself
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Only if you take history 101.. Try stock returns against inflation then tell me about stupid metal. Pull your head out before it all comes down and you miss it..

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 17:53 | 1224503 PY-129-20
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Another week, same story. Never gets old.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 20:38 | 1224672 jm
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This is classic cash-flow versus... whatever... thinking.  People can't see outside of their paradigm, so the other side looks like morons.

Real interest rates are negative, so the cost of holding gold is low.  The positive return comes from inflation expectations and currency substitution premia or "All fiat currencies are coming to end" stuff.  I don't count these things out.  But they are low probability events, and so I hedge them with CHEAP lottery tickets. 

Valuing commodities by discounted cash-flow makes them always be zero. Does this mean PM buyers are a bunch of glorified momos chasing a trend?  Denying this run-up is denying reality. 

It's hard for me to see how PMs are better than local currency bonds.   


Sun, 05/01/2011 - 13:20 | 1225656 American Dreams
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Check your frame of reference, PMs are not increasing in value they are but retaining purchasing power.  The currency by which you are valuing this store of wealth is dropping rapidly.  Try valuing gold or other PMs in Swiss Francs, this is not a run up it is a decline in your Federal Reserve Note's purchasing power.  


There be no shelter here

Sun, 05/01/2011 - 15:15 | 1225791 jm
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So why wouldn't you buy a bond with a Swiss Franc coupon instead of gold?  You get a cash-flow in the former case.

Seriously, some of us are trying to figure out why one should buy gold. 

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:21 | 1224230 GoldSilverDoc
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To answer your (fairly ignorant) questions:

1) Because it is money, against which the fiat (fake, valueless, etc.) "money" produced by the FED is depreciating. Gresham's law, and all.

2) More than the equivalent amount in toilet-paper-money (i.e., "Federal Reserve Notes")

So, unclebigs only invests in "income producing" assets. I suppose that means he owns a lot of farmland.  Also not the worst idea, although, being both sessile and traceable, it can be taxed and stolen at the whim of a government.

The only one with his head up his ass, is somebody who missed chance to trade only 280 FRN's for an ounce of gold, since he can now buy more than 1500 of those same pieces of shit, with the same ounce.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:46 | 1224266 unclebigs
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1)  Gold is not money because it can't be used as a unit of exchange.  Try going to buy groceries today with your Gold.


2)  I own 160 acres of prime farmland that will produce double the income this year than last.  Plus the value has doubled as well.  LMFAO!!!!


3)  Webvan stock skyrocketed too.  Did that confirm the investment thesis in that piece of garbage that produced the same future cash flows as gold (i.e. $0)?  LMFAO!!!!!!


Buy more Gold Sheeple.  Just saw another commercial on TV by some cheeseball wearing a clip-on tie.  He says buy gold.  He must be right.  LMFAO!!!!

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:52 | 1224278 Hephasteus
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I thought you owned a ferrari.

Or was it a porche.

Or were you studying to be a certified public no account.

Or was it a furniture factory.

Or a dildo store.

It's all so fuzzy now.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 15:24 | 1224325 Quixotic_Not
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He's just trying to protect his Lubrizol holdings so he doesn't get cornholed with worthless lube!

I actually almost feel sorry for the lil' fairy...

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 15:12 | 1224311 adeptish
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"I own 160 acres of prime farmland that will produce double the income this year than last.  Plus the value has doubled as well.  LMFAO!!!!"

Lying troll as well.

I said I would not comment further but it is raining and your comments are too entertaining to let pass.

Does the angry troll still want a cookie?

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 23:05 | 1224868 Freddie
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If he doubled his income versus last year in soon to be worthless dollars then he probably made the same amt as last year.  He is probably a lying democrat like buffett.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 15:30 | 1224334 Pool Shark
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"Gold is not money because it can't be used as a unit of exchange.  Try going to buy groceries today with your Gold."


For all but the last 40 years of recorded history, gold has been THE unit of exchange. How's that FRN thing workin' out for you?

Oh, by the way, good luck buying a house, car, or clothes with those vegetables....



Sat, 04/30/2011 - 18:18 | 1224534 Libertarian777
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hey! this is the 21st century. we have ipad2's now!

5,000 years (of using gold as money) has no bearing on our zero-cost-to-print FRNs. Did King Tut have an ipad? NO!

the iPad 3 will be 3 times as powerfull as the ipad 2, it will wash your dishes, grow corn and farm for you too! and the iPad 4 will even do your job for you! so you won't have to work or farm!

deflation is awesome.

<sarc off>

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 16:36 | 1224412 traderjoe
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Why the fuck do you care what people do with their currency?

No, not everyone has the means or access to owning farmland.

There's a coin shop in virtually every reasonably sized town in America that will turn gold-money into FRN-currency. Gold can be tuned into local currency in virtually every country. Can you travel with your farmland?

Add value or STFU.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 17:31 | 1224469 GoldSilverDoc
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1)  Well, dumbass, I went to my local grocery store yesterday, and asked the owner if he would sell groceries for gold. "Sure,"he said.  "No problem."  Strike one for you, the idiot.

2) Wowee.  160 acres. You are a real big wheel.  A quarter section.  (Even though you are lying, and don't really own a pot to piss in). Where I come from, that's a back yard, pissant.  Strike two.  You're all hat, and no cattle.

3) Future cash flow is not the only measure of value, dumbass.  As evidenced by, oh, the number of pieces of FRN papers you can buy today with an ounce, versus the number a year ago.


We will buy more gold.  But you are too stupid to do so, and obviously are pissed that you were too stupid to have missed the opportunities over the past 10 years.  Too bad for you.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 19:05 | 1224570 Yits and the Yimrum
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bigs, if you are growing quality food for the useless eaters, I would imagine the PTB would consider your efforts to be contrary to public policy.  Please check this with the CFR, and get back to us.

but anyhoow, love your anti gold rant, funny if a little light on convincing argument


Sun, 05/01/2011 - 15:43 | 1225831 Chuck Walla
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Then what the fuck are U.S. gold eagles?  Coins minted by the U.S. Treasury I believe. So much for their not being money.  Old silver quarters have more value due to their PM, they are also coin of the realm, legal tender for all debts...  Hmm, I bet even a Seven Eleven takes United States coins.  Doesn't Utah have a law on paying debt with silver & gold?

Sun, 05/01/2011 - 19:29 | 1226238 AndyR
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But you can't eat farmland!!.... oh i see...

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:18 | 1224232 ColonelCooper
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The only response necessary to refute your position is a chart of the POSX.  As long as it continues on its current path, you are wrong.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:22 | 1224237 adeptish
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"Sheeple, you're paying $1,560 per ounce of metal that is guaranteed to never pay you a dime in return."

Does the angry troll want a cookie?

Any further comment on your post is a waste of my time...


Sat, 04/30/2011 - 20:35 | 1224660 DeadFred
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By the way, anyone recall the current interest rate for lending out your gold?  Oh I forgot it must be zero because gold can't earn anything.  Is Unclebigs a recycle troll? I don't recognize his writing style even if the talking points from the cheat sheet are some old same old.

edit: I take it back, it methman back from the grave

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:30 | 1224245 DebtBasedCurrency
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Ahh Yee of brainwased western thinking one.. You have been conned to think that "paid in full" = Dollars, when "paid in full" = OZ's. Physical Gold is at the bottom of the "paid in full" pyramid, with all paper notes above the base of gold. John Exter was a rare honest central banker for the fed for about 20 years. The following quote is from an interview you should read before making really cool comments like yours

interview is over 20 years old!

"What particular signs currently make you think we’re getting close to the collapse of the debt pyramid?

EXTER   The most important one is this flight to currency.  It is bigger than anything I expected right now.  We are still having troubles with banks, thrifts, insurance companies, & others, which will cause more people to move down to Treasury bills & currency.  At some point they will go to gold.  We’re at the threshold of that point.  When they go to gold instead of currency or Treasury bills, the price of gold will take off.  It will be a bandwagon everyone will want to get on.  Then even those who have bought currency will see how foolish they were & that gold is far better to hold than currency, that it is the best store of value money man has ever found.  It’s stupid for people to hold currency.  The Fed can simply print all they want at very low cost.  Paper money is as abundant as leaves on trees."

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:30 | 1224247 yabyum
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Tap,tap,tap,tap,tap,tap,tap.tap. OK I thoght about it: Iam keeping my PM's

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:46 | 1224255 prole
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Sheeple Unit 5 Commander reporting sir! Sir your orders are too vague and subtle for our dim Sheeple minds. Can you confirm your orders meaning sir? I take you to read: BTFD!! Can you confirm, over? (edit-unit 5 commander was a little late posting)

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 15:36 | 1224337 Quixotic_Not
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I'll intrepret his conundrum for you SU-5:

Emotionally unstable retards in the (D) & (R) Free Shit Empire™ continue to defend their demigods, while ANY rational person can see the USofA has been hijacked by sociopathic politicos, whose only agenda is to rape, pillage & plunder on behalf of their bankster masters.

Carry on SU-5, keep grazing on pastures of ignorant bliss, buy all the iCrap you're credit limit will allow, and most of all...BTFD!

God save the Queen!

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 15:40 | 1224355 Ricky Bobby
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Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:56 | 1224287 Caviar Emptor
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Right. Trust little pieces of paper that say "IOU" and "Get Rich Quick" over the actual money which backs all world currencies. :-) 

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 18:23 | 1224537 Libertarian777
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what's even more amazing is people don't even think who is 'owing' that IOU. It sure as hell is NOT the Federal Reserve or the US Treasury. You think when creditors come knocking, The Bernak and Turbo Timmy are going to work on an ipad 2 line to pay back the 'faith and credit'?

That 'full faith and credit' of the USA is the PRODUCTIVE force of the people.

In its truest sense FRNs are slavery. And WE the people are the slaves. Even if they stopped direct taxation, the indirect taxation through inflation of the money supply has exactly the same effect, just its more insidious.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 15:01 | 1224294 Manthong
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In this precarious environment I prefer preserving wealth in the only asset class out there that is durable and not coupled to the system in terms of liability and obligations.

It may be more or less favorably valued by others as time goes on, but I am confident that the system as it exists today is working overtime to make my choice a good one.

If I had faith and confidence that the system was working productively, prudently and in my best interests, my choices would be different.

It's about the only real freedom left (at least for now).

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 20:09 | 1224642 Bicycle Repairman
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I was junk #31.  Will 19 more kind-hearted souls step up and put unclebigs out of his misery?  Thanks in advance.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:12 | 1224217 Id fight Gandhi
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All these anti gold anti articles still see gold as a commodity and don't bother to mention the destruction of the dollar. They never mention the crazy prices of the stock bubble either.

Getting market matching returns doesn't even keep pace with the decline in the dollar, what are they thinking???

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:29 | 1224251 chunga
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34.5 oz. container of Maxwell House ground coffee. $14.99 (plus 7% tax). Just got back from Publix. I couldn't help but notice how many people were looking at products and shaking their heads in disbelief. Kraft "Miracle Whip" 30 .oz jar = $5.19 (plus 7% tax).

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 14:46 | 1224275 unclebigs
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Kraft Miracle Whip is poison I wouldn't feed my dog.  Probably good for spreading on a woman's tits and licking off however.  You're an idiot.



Sat, 04/30/2011 - 15:02 | 1224296 Calmyourself
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You hang onto those frn's and your dog will be eating you at some point. I'm sure you will be better than Miracle whip.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 16:11 | 1224396 adeptish
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The unclebigstroll wants a cookie...

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 15:03 | 1224298 chunga
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Witty. Who cares what you'd feed your dog? I'd feed mine with you and your dog but they'd probably chew on you a bit and spit you out after a good game of "stretch". Fire ants could clean up the rest...

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 18:53 | 1224566 Yits and the Yimrum
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although I have to admit, I'm not sure what would be worse, a night spent camping on the beach 5 miles south of fuckyoushima or a steady diet of Kraft processed foods?

can you export some of those fire ants to NYC and washington?

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 20:15 | 1224645 Bicycle Repairman
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Cheese-food.  Honestly who the f#ck asked Kraft to make cheese-food?

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 23:05 | 1224869 GoinFawr
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