The Nasdaq's Totally Arbitrary "Flash Crash" Cutoff For DKing Trades Of 15% From NBBO Provides A Great Arb Opportunity

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Mon, 09/27/2010 - 16:45 | 608167 Everyman
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There was also a "Flash Crash in the ^RIFIN today as the "days range showed 778 to 439.  This is getting a bit out of hand.

ANYONE got a Chart?

The markets are going VERY UNSATBLE!


Instability, Bitchez!

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 18:23 | 608414 overbet
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The SEC wants market participants in there daily providing liquidity to prevent these kinds of crashes, but there is no point to that.

When the exchanges have no set rules and randomly break trades why would I risk my money providing liquidity. Exchanges are discouraging liquidity providers. They only get to keep the bad fills. Im not doing that.


Bring your algo into the market that fires orders out like a gattling gun and if you screw up we'll bail you out. What a sweet deal.

Look at this one from a few days ago where they busted the trades as close as 3.5%

10:42 AM 09/15/2010
Market Operations Update
CEE Review Initiated for NWI PRC
The NYSE has determined to cancel all trades in NUVEEN MARYLAND
$10.65 between 09:48:05 am and 09:50:52 am ET today.

This decision is not appealable.


This thing was trading at $10.25 a share and they bust everything over $10.65 and it does hardly any volume. Are you kidding?

Here is one where the trades actually stood, but they still reviewed it and considered busting them. This god damn thing is a < $1.00 a share pharma stock and they reviewed trades and considered busting them up 50%....its the most volatile type of stock i know of, how can they consider busting these.

The NYSE / NYSE Amex has reviewed executions in CHINA SHENGHUO PHARMACEUTICAL HOLDINGS, (KUN) between 12:04:38 and 12:08:09 ET today.

These executions will stand. This decision is not subject to appeal.


I bought RMBS the most recent time it plummitted intraday (yes its happened more than once). I stepped in and caught a falling knife in a stock that was tanking hard and then it recovered miraculously within a few minutes. I sold my shares and then they busted the buy so now im illegally short and losing a buck on my illegal short cause the stock rallied more from where i sold it. I was risking my own capital to stop an out of control algo and i get punished.


Obama we need some of that special change you sold us on over here in our markets.





Mon, 09/27/2010 - 19:05 | 608487 Gold...Bitches
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The SEC wants market participants in there daily providing liquidity

Hey now, come on.  Someone didnt get the message - HFT's just provide needed liquidity.

Tue, 09/28/2010 - 05:07 | 609451 ZeroPower
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You don't trade the RIFIN so your point is moot.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 16:48 | 608183 Magua
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Not so sure there will be a chance to make money on it, as software engineers at HFT firms everywhere are writing it into code tonite. Any bet that "flash crash" stocks drop 15% in a nanosecond only to stop, and move back in a flash.

Just to let you know, they have bigger computers than you..

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 16:49 | 608185 Mongo
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Alien crash, now that would be something!

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 16:53 | 608195 MiguelitoRaton
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That 15% cut-off is superfluous since the trading is halted at a 10% loss...ooops.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 16:55 | 608198 Tyler Durden
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Except when it isn't, like in this case. Stuxnet4eva!

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:01 | 608209 Careless Whisper
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gangsta government, meet, we the people

35,000 views in one week:


Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:10 | 608231 faustian bargain
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That's pretty sweet. First Keynes vs Hayek, now this.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 18:35 | 608432 PuppetRepubl1c
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awesome video thanks!  :)

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 19:02 | 608481 Conrad Murray
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Thank you for that.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:04 | 608214 Pining for the ...
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OK, that's it.  I'm taking whatever hit I have to on my 401k and getting out.  This insanity will not end well.

Plus, once the Fed announces QE2 the 6-month clock is ticking on Tyler's financial pockly-clipse.  I'm outta here...

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:05 | 608218 Miramanee
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The best part remains that everyone in my small town still "thinks" that the economy is recovering because the the DOW is up. HFT + PPT + a little hydrocodone = Economic Recovery 2010.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:05 | 608219 NumberNone
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That's been my concern all along.  15% is a bullshit, picked-out-of-the-air number.  Skynet will quickly figure this out and soon we'll see deliberate HFT crashes to pocket that 15%...if we are not already.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:10 | 608230 Careless Whisper
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soon we'll see deliberate HFT crashes to pocket that 15%

correction: 14.999999999999999999999999999 %

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:45 | 608315 NumberNone
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It's even more fucking devious than I thought.  Those bastards!!

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:09 | 608228 ArsoN
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I guarantee that if they made the trades stand couple of times you wouldn't see this nonsense going forward.   

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:19 | 608249 Id fight Gandhi
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I agree on that.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:10 | 608232 anonnn
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DK + deemed cancekled?

A 2-minute GOOGLE search finds no use of DK wit this meaning.

Are you an insider who does not want others to understand?

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:11 | 608234 ArsoN
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don't know

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 19:06 | 608494 Conrad Murray
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A "0.11 second" Google search, producing 15,800,000 results, netted this as the top result:

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 19:20 | 608511 Missing_Link
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Donkey Kong.


Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:11 | 608233 goldmiddelfinger
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I'd be pissed if my BUY were filled at $4, $5, $6 and cancelled ! However, If anyone carbon based has a stop loss set NINTEY PERCENT BELOW market, please, please, sue your broker and then get out of the market entirely.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:31 | 608278 Dixie Normous
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What if you are short (and still alive) and like to put in ridiculously low GTC orders?

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:25 | 608266 Id fight Gandhi
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They need to cut the shit and fix this. Nobody wants to trade or hold in a marketplace that is falling apart.

How will they prevent a big flash crash with hundreds or thousands doing this at the same time?

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:32 | 608282 tmosley
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Oh boy, now we're gonna have flash crashes every day.  Next it will be one an hour, then one every five minutes, then all traded stocks will have continuous flash crash cycles with a period of 20 nanoseconds.

This is the definition of moral hazard.  Awesome.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:57 | 608364 Quicksilver
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Maybe this is what they are hoping for. By setting a 15% cut off retail investors are encouraged to put orders in about 15% below market value, which gives the algos something to fight over and builds a bit of depth in the market, making the next flash crash a lot less noticeable. The market is still broken, but this could be trying to mask the problem.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 18:01 | 608372 whereismyorange
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How come we only see downcrashes, and never upcrashes where stocks go to infinity?

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 18:23 | 608415 Tortfeasor
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You have to have infinite money in your acct to make the trade

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 19:06 | 608492 dukeness
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Give Ben time.  He's printing as fast as he can.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 18:36 | 608437 cocoablini
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I knew it.

Just put stink bids on a variety of stocks. Somewhere near 75%. Then when the HFT machines are crashing the stock to collect it cheap, you can ride the wave back up.

100% asset valuation by FIAT. The stock can never go down.

These crashes are probes.

Even Cramer(Crymore) has stink bids on stocks to collect on the crash and miracle recovery.

The SEC, which should be investigating this totally rigged system to recapitalize bank reserves by making up "money" on events like this, is mandated to ignore all this.

The banks have to recapitalize their reserves. The only way to make money is not LEND but to play the ponies, arbitrage, pick pocket and make up phoney values. This is just part of the scam.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 18:51 | 608458 godzila
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Not a lawyer but isn't the NASDAQ allowed to decided of those cut off limits at it's sole discretion (as per it's own market regulations) ?


Mon, 09/27/2010 - 19:05 | 608482 dukeness
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Hit the etrade baby's stocks and he'll crap a pantload.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 19:04 | 608488 jrh80
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@orange have you seen OPEN?  :)

@godzila if you can prove negligence I don't think the Nasdaq 'rules' matter.  Not a lawyer either... 

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 19:19 | 608509 Missing_Link
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Set at 14% below the NBBO, just to be on the safe side.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 21:57 | 608811 williambanzai7
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This is really scandalous. It's like having a mugger tell you I keep 15% after you catch him holding your wallet.

I can't understand how the regulatory people can be so short sighted.

Mon, 09/27/2010 - 23:29 | 608976 Occams Parsimony
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I think these flash crashes may be a bit more then you think. It is possible that they are engineered much like currency intervention to test the resiliency of the market. If it is resilient enough Ben and Timmy can use this to offset the federal debt. He just needs collution with the TBTF's (seriously like that would be difficult) and I am quite sure a one time future tax on Banks and Corporations that are hmmm holding a great deal of cash for ...... what purpose?

Let the hedge funds eat each other alive there is no question at all in my mind that there is a plan here.

 I am sitting here balancing my kids college funds with 1/3 QID and 2/3 dividend stocks. This has held up pretty well so far as everytime I but another dividend stock I also rebalance QID.


Tue, 09/28/2010 - 09:15 | 609705 Hunch Trader
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Since there are much more long only investors than ones ready to short, Benny and the boys should just short the living daylights out of the market, collect a cool few trillions and then ride the flash-crash speed recovery back up.

I'm sure the exchange operators would understand to NOT reverse their trades, now that all the rest of the market participants have been conditioned to expect trade cancellations upon flash crashes...


Mon, 09/27/2010 - 23:29 | 608990 Godisanhftbot
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 I like take these opportunites to wax nostalgic about the time I bought 99 shares of a $20 stock for 1 cent each.


 Trade went unnoticed and stood.


 The good old days.

Tue, 09/28/2010 - 01:40 | 609213 Grand Supercycle
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S&P 500 FINANCIALS INDEX - an important chart:

Tue, 09/28/2010 - 02:40 | 609264 Mentaliusanything
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15% off is a fair Trade but not a penny more.

By extension all stocks that trade on the Nasdaq are 15% over quoted

the Dow 15%

S&P 15%

But first you have to remove all the POMO lipstick and the fake tits to find unadulterated stock prices then you may have your 15% off.

Where are the arrests for the criminal activities/ corruption. Surely they have painted themselves into a corner.


Tue, 09/28/2010 - 09:19 | 609714 Hunch Trader
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This is closer and closer to Pakistan where shares are not allowed to go down anymore, unless you burn the exchange.


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