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NHK Says Water Used To Douse Reactors May Have Leaked Into The Ocean
Last week we asked what could possibly be worse than a "grave" situation (as Fukushima was described by the IAEA). We now have our answer:
*WATER DOUSED ON REACTORS MAY HAVE LEAKED TO OCEAN, NHK SAYS
*NHK CITES JAPAN NUCLEAR AND INDUSTRIAL SAFETY AGENCY
And scene, as mutated, ill-tempered seabass and sharks with frickin laser beams attached to their heads rise out of the ocean take over the mainland.
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Just dealing with the news flow, such as it is. Hard data has been suppressed and Tepco is dysfunctional.
Quite the contrary. We, however, as well as you should be, are flabbergasted by the complete lack of preparation and inability to respond in a manner that does anything to actually resolve the situation instead of making it progressively worse.
Classic! Thx for the laugh.
Yes it is. If I had pic-posting privileges I would have posted a picture of Blinky from the Simpsons, the 3-eyed fish mutated by nuclear waste. Alas, you'll have to Google it instead.
Water Used To Douse Reactors May Have Leaked Into The Ocean.
Gives new meaning to the phrase: "Breath-taking beachfront!"
hey, tru-ont: tyler writes romanko a nice little note---and gives him 40 junks!!!
romanko:49 junks, mine was 50'th. have a sunny day.
You mean "Blinky"?
By the way, didn't Godzilla start out as a tadpole or something before getting washed with radiation in the 50's?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiHRm2DioMA
I dunno Tyler. time to run a picture of My Pretty Pony or a cute kitten.
In any event, Sounds like Day of the Tentacle to me.
Ps- Last week Zh posted over 46 articles on 1 frakkin' day. I don't know the Tylers, but chances are these poor souls are not getting laid and could use some pizza and beer money. Don't make me go all South Park Sally Struthers on you all. Why not Paypal these guys and gals about $20 or so?
Tyler & Marla - kicking ass. A few more black swans and ZH will be taking out many more MSM sites in traffic. Looks like they've just had a breakout. BTFD.
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/zerohedge.com#
According to Alexa:
"Compared with all internet users, the site's users are disproportionately Caucasian, and they are disproportionately higher-income, childless men over the age of 35 who browse from home."
What, no mention of the lovely ladies who frequent this site? Can I get a shout-out for all the brainy beauties of Project Mayhem?!
Childless guys with higher income? Just my type. LOL
Shoutin at ya Natasha.
Good grief, this captcha is hard on drubk, drunk people.
Recently divorced geek/engineer living in Alaska ... pretty much spot on!
Regards,
Cooter
Well, hell, still have the 22 year old here, but may promote him to the couch to hurry his ass out.
double post
Hey Baby, what's cooking?
childless men over 35, AKA LOSERS
Hey! I represent that remark!
plus infinity
yep, I'm afraid he has a point.
++
Your pecker has a purpose!
YO!!!
Ok you slaker. yOU'RE INVITED.
Well at least they don't all wear big yellow hats, have website filled with half naked woman and go by the name of Turd.
Zerohedge.com's three-month global Alexa traffic rank is 3,032. While approximately 56% of the site's visitors are in the US, where it is ranked #855, it is also popular in South Korea, where it is ranked #834. Compared with all internet users, the site's users are disproportionately Caucasian, and they are disproportionately higher-income, childless men over the age of 35 who browse from home. Zerohedge.com's visitors view 2.7 unique pages each day on average. The fraction of visits to the site referred by search engines is approximately 6%.
> As a 26 year old childless cacuasian with a disproprtionately higher-income who browses from home...I found this bit of information hilarious.
As a 31 year-old childless Caucasian with middle income, I found the observation quite comforting and felt more homely as I was browsing..Good times
Advertisting is spot on too. Dominos, Rice Krispy Treats and World of Warcraft 10 day trial.
I thought we were all a bunch of dumb rednecks reloading ammo in our trailers while waiting for Jesus to come back?
WB7 did an amazing trailer park trailer with a huge Theta on the side of it in black and white, spot on. I need to go find that.
@tmosley - you said it. h/t williambanzai7
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_wkgIzuqJM0w/TPYgMUhfnyI/AAAAAAAAHcA/U4Gvr2uFvKY/s8...
Considering that I AM a dumb redneck who owns a trailer house AND a progressive reloader that's actually worth more than the house, AND am quite sure Jesus will be coming along any minute now.....
Wait. Is there a problem with that??
As long as you look busy when Jesus gets here, all will be well.
You'd love Trailer Park Boys. Watch that series. You strike me as Mr. Lahey, but not so gay. ha
time to go get that mail order bride and change my demographic
I thought we were all a bunch of dumb rednecks reloading ammo in our trailers while waiting for Jesus to come back?
I'm not religious, so I'll cling to my guns extra hard. Thanks, Soetoro!
As a 46 year old Caucasian with low income and kids,
I'm not sure if I'm offended?
35, two kids, middle income and not offended at all. It answers my question about how a lot of the people here are dropping mad cash on stuff while we're supporting families.
+1
They nailed me EXCEPT for the "browsing from home" part. What's the point of being higher income if you can't also browse from work? :)
+ 7 paid hours of browsing
57 years old Divorced male with 6 figure income /3 grown kids, banging a Forensic accountant who happens to be a stunning 26 yeas old Thai beauty.
We at ZE Hedge like to live dangerously.
TMI
Does she say, "You come my hooch I show you good time GI." and "EZ GI, you so beeeeg!"
44 year old, childless, white male earning disproportionately higher income & browsing from home office in the US (self-employed RE appraiser). They found me.
ZH is one of my fave sites, surf it too much when I should be writing reports.
And they know this how, exactly?
T.D. = Google
beat you to it by about a week
Just think about donating a whole bunch more. The cost of a newspaper subscription that doesn't begin to touch on info. that ZH does is alot of money for not much. Main stream media has been directed for way too long by companies that sell factory food and politicians. ZH is a bit of a bumpy ride but gives timely news and critique that is tough to assemble.
Yeah, guilted me into it. It's a tiny contribution, but it's the best I could do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU
I didn't realize that Blankenstein could act.
soylent green= composted bankters= green energy
securing america's food/energy future
This could also be strategic. If they have already tested the seawater and know the radioactivity to be acute, they may wish to plant a believable source to hide a more heinous reality. The question needs to be: is this disclosure, or is it a cover up? What level of radioactivity escaped the cores, and are they using this explanation as a means to prepare the audience in advance, enabling them to downplay statistics they know will soon cause alarm?
TEPCO executives are not going to openly release information that will increase their financial exposure. It's safe to say we're seeing only a fraction of reality. But what would stop them from strategically tainting that fraction?
That would explain a news break of the obvious. When you dump water on some blown up oceanfront reactors for days, do ya expect the runoff to hail a cab?
right but this isn't the 50's anymore.. we are all tapping on our computers and gadgets and can't remember how to actually take care of a real, outside crisis - did Japan check google first?
Yes, but less worse than otherwise might have been the case given it is a very fluid situation.
One can only wonder if the loss of power will turn out to be a blessing as it prevented the wrong button from being pushed due to a misinterpretation of a reading as the instrumentation was down or inaccessible.
Mind boggling ineptitude.
We've moved from "failure is not an option" to failure is the only option.
Cool the pool baby, we've got some hot rods here.
/"humor" off, junk if you liked it
here ya go........
Godzilla Music Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7gFlSGXt_k
We, however, as well as you should be, are flabbergasted by the complete lack of preparation and inability to respond in a manner that does anything to actually resolve the situation instead of making it progressively worse.
First Rule of movement to contact: Expect contact.
"Frickin Laser-Beams attached to their heads." Austin Powers reference, :D Classic
This event was to be expected :(
I'm hoping that the radiation levels arent significant
Wait, are we talking about the nuclear meltdown or the economic one? I'm losing track.
Its okay, Wolf Blitzer just said its okay...I feel better.
www.silvergoldsilver.blogspot.com
Yes, and the SP futures are up so go sleep well little sheep.
watter got to the ocean just now??? where did the other cooling watter go? news mystery...
in the spirit of just asking for junks, i think it's been exploding!
Get with the program, we've got a market to melt up here.
where's the friggin cat?
If reporting the truth is a crisis, perhaps we are in more trouble then we think.
Thanks to whoever posted this link to the great documentary about Chernobyl:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5384001427276447319#
The current crisis is, at least so far, being handled much better.
If nuclear material did leak into the ocean, so be it. As they say in surgery and nuclear cleanup, "the solution to pollution is dilution." This is far from worst thing that has happened at this nuclear facility thus far, so to make it sound like a big escalation is irresponsible.
If you don't like the thought of that any number of "one-off" scenarios that the designers of a nuclear plant didn't account for can lead to tens of thousands of deaths (or more) and a generous swath of earth becoming uninhabitable, I hope that you will work to oppose the future deployment of nuclear energy. The whole idea of "safe nuclear power" is advocated by people who overstimate scientific knowledge and underestimate tail risk. We don't need to have any more nuclear power plants.
What do you suggest to replace it as a source of energy?
Coal fired power plants scrub all pollutants out and store them safely. They only produce into the atmosphere CO2 and water, Plant Food!
Good fucking lord, the mountains of Fly Ash and Clinkers are ... fuck it, nevermind.
Michael just forgot his /sarc tag, that's all.
I'm sorry, didn't know Michael was up to it, therefore, I dub his post as ;
"Funny as Hell"
Party on ...
It didn't need a tag.
Ya, the flouride that they scrub out makes it into some people's toothpaste.
Making do with much less of everything, and having fewer children.
Tell it to the Chinese and Indians.
Actually everyone should be keeping their peckers in their pants, everyone.
More children. The outfit can always use more brains. But if you think your children are going to be stupid (check the parents first) then fewer children it is.
IQ Tests + NorPlant Cross-bow, FTW!
I suggest we use more conservation, and more natgas, wind, and solar. If we put enough resources into solar, it wouldn't surprise me if we can achieve 30% efficiency within 5 years and maybe 40% within 10 or 15. The sun ultimately does things very well; I'd just like for the nuclear processes to stay far out in space; not here on earth.
I really don't want to sound like an ass ... but ... renewables will never account for more than 20% of the current consumption scheme. In practical terms, I think it is closer to 10%.
The only real options, for the US, are (1) nukes or (2) coal. The entirety of modern standard of living is built on cheap energy. Screw up in infrastructure planning (i.e. hope instead of plan) and you will be driving a mule team to work.
I am a huge advocate of thorium molten salt reactors (MSRs). I get tired of posting the links, so here is an old post with the info:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-heres-how-we-get-energy-inde...
Regards,
Cooter
hi cooter: do the thorium MSR's you've "learned to love" have radioactive waste? if so, please describe, as well as the solution to how to dispose of radioactive wastes safely AND economically, hitherto unknown to humankind, 'k?
Perhaps you could educate yourself on the subject. It would certainly be more effective than your reliance(in spite) on an internet person to educate you.
Or perhaps you've failed to recognize that slewpie already knows the answer and is merely employing the Socratic method.
A unicorn?
microturbines sound interesting as does putting turbines in the new tunnel 3 for NYC drinking water.
the history of bringing water to NYC is full of amazing people, vision, and engineering.
personally, lucy would have 2 do some s'plainin for me to consider that installing turbines in the new water tunnel would serve that history more highly than without them.
i know! the power.thejobs.the amortization.the pensions.the tax shortfalls.the potholesz.
this is the water for The People of the city of New York. people get killed on these huge jobs, so be careful, do it right the first time, keep it simple, and get it done and functioning with zero defects.
i'm sure there are many interests that might benefit, their children, too (!), from a piece of this action. don't confuse and conflate taking care of the water supply with any other "needs".
2 cents.
When you can dilute bata and alpha particals let me know.
Worst depends on your proximity.
Nuclear energy is fine as long as the environment is stable and cold, like the moon. Energy in not a limit of science but a limit of funding.
exactly. we don't have a "stable" environment here on earth. the Taliban already have nuclear weapons, because nuclear reactor + primitive conventional weapon that destroys cooling and containment equals, yes, a nuclear weapon. not cool.
You're welcome.
Here's a new documentary that might shed some light.
http://www.zeitgeistmovingforward.com/
I'm almost free of oil and that's a big step. I'm using aeolic, solar, and hydro at my base. My base consists of a farm where I'm able to grow my own food and where I have access to freshwater. In this little base I hav one cow that turns grass into milk, I learned how to make cheese and yoghurt. I still need to learn how to make butter. I have corn and coffee from my farm. I am literally off the grid. I am not paying for utilities any longer. My only expenses consist of books, lots of books, seeds, small fruit trees that I am planting, and fresh fish that I buy from local fishermen directly (no middleman), a prepaid mobile phone/wifi card, and occasional restaurant bill when I go out. I have a bicycle and horses and I'm working on getting a small horse carriage. I still have a car that I used to set everything up, and now I'm selling it. I'm happy, but I know this lifestyle is not for everyone and this is a huge change for most people. I feel free.
This documentary will enlighten a lot of people. It provided me personally with new ideas to implement in the project. I decided I wanted to be the change I wanted to see in the world so I started doing something about it. I started with small changes, and now I'm at this stage. I call it the good life.
Congratulations. Curious as to your acreage and how many people your output supports?
@prophet
I have plenty of land, more than I need. So I give away or trade my produce with others.
This from Answers.com
How many cows can you have on 1 acre?
It depends on your acre. If you are in a high rainfall area or irrigate the pasture(presuming it is all grass, and it produces good grass growth) you could possibly run two or three adults of a small breed like dexter or lowline. But if you live in a pretty ordinary area with distinct seasons then you might be lucky to run a cow to ten acres. That's a medium breed.But if you want to run a large breed then you will need at least twenty acres per beast. And then if you want the cow to have a calf you have to allow half as much land again for the calf .The average cow needs to eat about twenty kilograms of feed a day. Hope this helps :)
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_cow_can_you_have_on_1_acre#ixzz1HCyvloDJ
That's just for your dairy. Now if you start planting trees, you can have food producing trees in your backyard. There are people raising chickens and pigs in New York City. I think Bill Bonner of Daily Reckoning is doing something similar in MD.
I've heard goats are more efficient in terms of land use... but their milk/cream/cheese may not be to your liking.
I hope you come back and get this post
To make butter:
http://www.positron.org/food/butter/
Be careful if you try to order a "collectible" butter churner off ebay. Some are just for show and are not functioning, even if they sell as "Daisy" churners. Be sure to ask the seller if it is a functioning churner.
If you are real serious you can find an electric churner new that will make a larger batch.
I just found a local upstart in my community that is selling low pasterized non homogenized whole (fat) milk in glass jars, delivered to my door, as well as local butter, eggs produce and meats, so I'm good.
And BTW, my husband and I stopped using margarine 20 years ago. We only use butter, olive oil, safflower, coconut and sunflower oils as fats. We have a diet high in saturated fats and absolutely no GMO oils of soy, rapeseed (canola) or corn if we can help it. Both of us have what should be relatively normal cholesterol levels, ex CHOL 202, TRIG 58, Direct HDL 97 (normal HDL is 40-60) That was an 09 test and the current one is even better. Good cholesterol is through the roof on both of us and we are both in our 50's.
Please visit Institute for Responsible Technology
http://www.responsibletechnology.org/
if you are interested in GMO-free food. Jeffrey Smith, founder, and the Institute are working to get us to a tipping point where the food producers will be forced to give us GMO free options. We are close to being there. Just need a few more volunteers to get the word out. Unfortunately we now have to consider not just GMO free organic food, but radioactive free food as well.
Kool-Aid withdrawal is said to be worse than coming down from a year long bender dancing with the meth goddess. Hang in there brother, once the head clears and the hands stop shaking, MSM never does look the same again. However, for the first few weeks it's OK to flip on CNN, but only for 5 minutes every 12 hours. After 2 weeks, it's cold turkey for you.
Of course, you could always take up drinking. I hear it's safer.
You think drinking radioactive sake is safe? He's safer using black tar.
as in : http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/gallery/h_opium_ball.htm
or some year old bong resin. Is the sake good maybe that makes a differance in risk accessment. So many questions so little "tar" and "sake".
+C10H15N
That meth goddess is one demanding mistress.
It is worse, and doesn't need our help. It's doing just fine all by itself.
My understanding from the beginning was that if the operators just did nothing the reactor would be fine. Don't douse it with cold sea water, don't touch any valves, just let it cool down even if it goes halfway to DC.
your comment is out in left field romanlove, like this one-
do you pitch or catch?
How can they take over the mainland they don't have feet
yet
How can they take over the mainland they don't have feet
They'll do it by inches.
best ZH post almost ever
Godzila will no longer be just in the fiction. Go long fishery equities! Godzila likes fish!
Can I live on vitamin and water purification pills?
The rock of Gibraltar?
Lol, revenge of the overexploited. Who woulda thunk that it'd be fish, instead of people, though?
+1 Ty On Sharks with laser beams. Your a sick man but my mind of sick.
Maybe just jumping an ill-tempered seabass .
And sea bass:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw&feature=related
Self fulfilling prophecy - Go Go Godzilla
*WHERE THE HECK DID YOU THINK THE WATER WAS GOING TO GO, TEPCO SAYS
*NHK CITES COMMON SENSE, LOOK AT WHERE THE REACTORS ARE
+1
When they thought the reactors were hotter than they turned out to be they must've thought the water was boiling off. Is it leaking into the ground and then into the ocean? It can't be running straight over the ground into the ocean? They can't be THAT stupid?
I don't know the figures on these reactors, but nuclear reactors use as much as a million gallons of cooling water a day taken from adjacent natural sources. That's why they're always located next to major rivers, lakes, oceans, etc. Forty percent of the heat generated by a plant is pumped off into the environment as "waste heat." Why heats gets wasted is an open question.
It doesn't make sense that this would be simple run off pollution. Maybe it's from damaged spent fuel cooling systems at reactors 5 and 6? Too bad we don't have thermal pics.
Yes but the cooling water in the river, or sea, is used to cool the cooling water in the reactor system. The two waters never touch.
Yeah, when the separating layers of metal remain intact.
Oh yeah. The explosion. I forgot about that.
nice job, BOB! "too bad we don't have thermal pics," indeed!
you are very kind to handle the disinfo so nicely (battleaxe @#1080250): "When they thought the reactors were hotter than they turned out to be they must've thought the water was boiling off." riiiight...!
these trolls must be making fortunez, but after a few turns behind the wheel, their mechanicality is sooo obvious!
Why heats gets wasted is an open question.
Carnot. Question closed.
There is some comfort in that there are at least some laws that are properly enforced.
Thanks.
Why in the hell would you think it is stupidity? You try and deal with one of the worst disasters to ever hit your country and stop a nuclear explosion that if not diffused will contaminate a broad region that has just been demolished and beyond, your first priority is to stop the explosion from happening. You don't arrive on the scene, look around and direct containment of runoff first. You call in reserves to deal with the run off as soon as possible while you direct those at hand to mitigate a worsening nuclear reaction.
Well, at least BP must be feeling good about this.
LOL
Lessee now...they were literally throwing water at the thing with cannons and from high-altitude helicopter(s). I wonder how long it took them to figure out that the water, being a liquid, might not stay on site? Perhaps they just want to announce something rather inocuous on a Monday morning.
Dead zone both above and below the waves, 0 Hedgiez!
It'll get The fish, the ground water, fall as rain and so on.
Little wonder Kan canceled his appearance in the 20km radius today "due to weather" no mention of deadly radiation rain.
It's good they finally realized it wasn't leaking up the mountain.
Nah, this is not serious. Come on. The British dumped 8 million litre radioactive waste into the Irish sea, including plutonium. And the Russians dumped their nuclear submarines + old reactors in the Kara sea. It has tradition.
How much water goes into such a fuel spent pool? According to one news agency about 1400 t at Unit 4 - and normaly between 1000-2000 t? And according to German state television ARD, Tepco used homeless people and seasonal workers at their plants in the past to do the dirty work and when they got too much radiation, they were fired.
Airborne is way more troubling given the low relative density of the air, the volume of it the human lungs cycles, and the rapid uptake through the lungs. Radon gas in your basement is nasty, not because of the intensity of the radioactivity, but because it's a gas.
Ditto your comments about the number of cores laying on the ocean floor right now.
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2010/09/20/nuclear-revelation-a-bomb-indeed/
ORI
So you live again! Done picking dandelions?
YenC, when you are done getting off on your wit, click on the link and read about Sellafield. Educate your self.
ORI
re Tepco 's legacy of win-at-all-costs and saving face: ...like having their serfs mix batches of MOX in stainless buckets...until the got caught and wrist-slapped?
http://www.japantoday.com/category/commentary/view/bungling-cover-ups-define-tepco
With a purposeful grimace and a terrible sound
He pulls the spitting high tension wires down.
Helpless people on subway trains
Scream for God as he looks in on them.
He picks up a bus and he throws it back down
As he wades through the buildings toward the center of town.
Oh no, they say he's got to go—
Go, go, Godzilla . . .
Oh no, there goes Tokyo—
Go, go, Godzilla . . .
Rinji news o moshiagemasu!
Godzilla ga Ginza hoomen e mukatte imasu!
Daishkyu hinan shite kudasai!
Oh no, they say he's got to go—
Go, go, Godzilla . . .
Oh no, there goes Tokyo—
Go, go, Godzilla . . .
History shows again and again
How nature points out the folly of men . . .
Godzilla!
Blue Oyster Cult! GOOD work my man!
Must be heard to be appreciated...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7gFlSGXt_k
HAHAHAHAH!!!
And scene, as mutated, ill-tempered seabass and sharks with frickin laser beams attached to their heads rise out of the ocean take over the mainland.
CLASSIC!!!!
I'm a SYFY fan. Those pesky dislikes are terms of (Endearment)
No big deal for now, but IF it hits the Mississippi Canyon block 252, all bets are off. (Just being cynical)
Obviously by now everyone knows Tepco is incompetent; however these asshats needed to think this through and then realize the ingenious solution by utilizing a few million packages of maximum strength Maxi Pads to soak up the mess they were creating.
Let The Healing Begin
American Voice Radio -03/18/11
http://thecrowhouse.com/031811.html
Poison...poison...TASTEY FISH.
There was a classic moment in Saturday Night Live history. Right after the problem, an SNL skit re-created a panicked press conference which went something like this:
[general hubbub, loud commotion]
Press secretary to President Carter: "OK, we will take a few questions about Three Mile Island..."
[general yelling] and press member stands and yells: "Is it true that President Carter is 100 feet tall?"
Press Secretary [with a scowl]: "That is completely absurd! Of course not!"
[yelling crests again] another press member stands and asks: "Is it true that President Carter is 90 feet tall?"
Press Secretary [somberly] "No comment."
What the world has learned from Fuk_u_shima:
-QE will solve any major nuke leak by flooding the economy with extra liquidity. Be bold! Print trillions.
+QE ... thats what I'm sayin
OT and a real shocker
Gaddafi may become target of air strikes, Liam Fox admitsCoalition forces accused of mission creep and disproportionate action against Tripoli
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/20/coalition-criticism-arab-lea...
If the Japs really don't have all the robots that those hobby battles shows and futurevision teasers led me to believe, why the hell aren't sending in Sumo fucking wrestlers wearing thick lead suits??
Yeah send in the droids. Even if it didn't work it would sound like they were on top of things.