Nic Lenoir On Why The Euro Is About To Crash And Burn, And Why His Concern For The "New Normal" Is Not Slow Growth But Civil War

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Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:48 | 809772 MacedonianGlory
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The Old Regime is about to take power.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:06 | 809830 CH1
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Very interesting comment, Macedonian. Care to provide some detail? Thx.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 21:06 | 810218 Cleanclog
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Actually, hate to post this, I was in Montenegro and Bosnia 2 months ago.  People in Bosnia - especially north of Sarajevo - are exhibiting much more hostility than I witnessed 5 years ago.  Big divides on use of language, what is being built, by who, with what funds and support.  Really evident.   I hope it will not lead to war, but I am not optimistic.  But I think revolutionary style war (the skirmishes are already under way) is coming in the Balkans again and perhaps along Mediterranean Europe.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 23:24 | 810574 CrackSmokeRepublican
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The EU was a Jew Rothschild Project pre-WWII.

The Euro will disappear like Jew Bolshevik Communism and Jew "Diversity".

Keep and eye open and a gun loaded...--CSR
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English translation of selections of
"Practical Idealism (Praktischer Idealismus)"

By Count Richard N. Coudenhove Kalergi - published in Vienna 1925.

-Hidden by the European Movement-

Europeans to become negroid mongrels

The man of the future will be a mongrel. Today's races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearing of space, time, and prejudice.

The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. [22]

http://balder.org/judea/Richard-Coudenhove-Kalergi-Practical-Idealism-Vi...

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Count R. N. Courdenhove-Kalergi is seen by many as the father of the modern European Union. It was him who suggested Beethovens hymn as the EU's national anthem, and was very active in connection with the design of the EU logo which contains 12 stars which symbolize the 12 tribes of Israel. The logo was finalized by the Jew Paul M.G. Lévi. 2)

Otto von Habsburg was Coudenhove-Kalergi's successor as president of the Pan European Union. He is a honorary professor of the University of Jerusalem, and recipient of the 'International Humanitarian Award', of the 'Anti Defamation-League' (ADL) of the Jewish B’nai B’rith Masonery Lodge.

Coudenhove-Kalergi's father was a close friend of Theodor Herzl, the founder of Zionism

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12459

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Coudenhove-Kalergi in his autobiography:

"At the beginning of 1924, we received a call from Baron Louis de Rothschild; one of his friends, Max Warburg from Hamburg, had read my book and wanted to get to know us.

To my great surprise, Warburg spontaneously offered us 60,000 gold marks, to tide the movement over for its first three years ....

Max Warburg, who was one of the most distinguished and wisest men that I have ever come into contact with, had a principle of financing these movements.

He remained sincerely interested in Pan-Europe for his entire life.

Max Warburg arranged his 1925 trip to the United States to introduce me to Paul Warburg and financier Bernard Baruch."

Finance theorist Ludwig von Mises (supported by a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation) also participated in Coudenhove-Kalergi's Pan-European Movement.

Later von Mises disciples Arthur Burns and Milton Friedman spread von Mises ideas through a network of secret 'conservative' think tanks, led by the Mont Pelerin Society.

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12459

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 23:54 | 810649 CrackSmokeRepublican
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Z.H. needs to get a "Flag as Truth" button... This isn't Junk unless you are Z.H. Jew. LOL...

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 04:05 | 810965 frenchie
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Amen

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 04:06 | 810968 frenchie
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Amen

Sun, 01/16/2011 - 02:44 | 879631 Andy Lewis
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ZH needs a flush button to flush shit like you down the drain.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 13:00 | 811701 tamboo
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diversity/multiculturalism is a joo tool to wipe out white christians.

http://forum.stirpes.net/judaism/7838-multiculturalism-has-no-place-isra...

http://www.iamthewitness.com/

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 04:48 | 810981 AnAnonymous
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Big divides on use of language, what is being built, by who, with what funds and support.  Really evident.

 

That is indeed the major difficulty in the project. People are comfortable in their group and while ascending to a new group in formation might prove profitable, it is all about to know who is going to get what. People want to be better in their new group than they were in the  previous.

The english are comfortable in the English group as they are number one in it. Same for Germans and so on.

The new European group might provide better opportunities. Think of Germans, they will be able to push away their  previous (mis)deeds by claiming the Germans did it, not the Europeans. And they are Europeans now... You see the trick. Good old change in identity style.

Problem in the Balkans is that they are a bunch of minorities. Usually, in transformations like that, the majority use minorities to alleviate their fear, making sure that minorities have to eat the most of the negative sides of the transformation. Hard to perform when you have no  real minorites on your soil.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:11 | 809843 Spitzer
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Its all bullshit.

The Euro was designed to replace the dollar by floating gold MTM. Oil will be priced in Euro's when the paper gold market dies(COMEX,LBMA,GLD). Book it.

Long live the Euro

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:27 | 809907 westboundnup
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It says alot that if we are to have a civil war, I hope it's along the lines of the U.S. Civil War (the bloodiest in the nation's history), 2 organized armies meeting on the field of battle.  I fear it may be like Madrid circa 1937 in the Spanish Civil War. 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:10 | 810072 Simon Endean
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There was a lot more violence going on other than just the massed armies meeting up.  There were plenty of small-scale battles and such, and they started well before Fort Sumter and went on well after Appamattox.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 21:30 | 810295 Freebird
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Celante forecasts literal blood in the streets 2012 ..
coming to your local mall. ( Not necessary for any red
neck cowboy gunslinging, check out my Uzi bitchez comments thank you.)

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:27 | 809917 ZeroPower
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Come on man. The GBP (hell, the CAD) are more 'reasonable' replacements than a doomed currency. Do you actually see a country in the EU defaulting? And do you see this event leading EU out of their current mess? I would like to understand your stance.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:46 | 809993 Spitzer
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The commercial banks inside Europe don't influence the integrity of the currency as much as people think.

The Eurosystem gets swap lines from the Fed and bailouts from the IMF.  When a run on the US dollar finally starts, the Euro can default without the worry that people will be running form the Euro to the dollar. All the while, the international liquidity reserves of the Euro (gold) will be going to the moon.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:23 | 810108 nonclaim
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It doesn't make sense unless by "going to the moon" you mean something along the Zimbabwean style...

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:34 | 810133 Spitzer
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The dollar will go zimbabwe style which will send gold/ECB balance sheet to the moon

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 21:41 | 810336 Freebird
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Gotta watch those fx swaps, primary dealer frontrunning at
its finest..

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 21:34 | 810312 IQ 145
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 What a funny statement. you must be joking.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 21:59 | 810384 I think I need ...
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i agree.....and thats the sense i get from others who have called this entire crisis

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 22:54 | 810499 TBT or not TBT
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Yep, with europe's deathbed demographics, rising anti-western immigrant population, and their entitlement mentality, they'll dominante all right.   Dominate the news that is.   Being that what bleeds, leads.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:35 | 809952 dogismyth
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Its the Jesuits dammit!  Read up on the black pope.  In fact, google it and read the first article.  Wowser.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:17 | 810093 israhole
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:)

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:57 | 809801 velobabe
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civil, bitches†

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:05 | 809825 doolittlegeorge
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what are you holding in your hand?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 22:14 | 810418 Uncle Remus
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bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:56 | 809802 Jason T
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Lyndon LaRouche has been saying that by Christmas, the Euro will be dead.  But also that without a Glass Steagal type reorganization of the banks and national credit systems, we get a new dark age.  

 

Seeing what is happening in Greece, Rome, London, Ireland, so forth.. it's not that far off to believe that the global monetary system has the potential to collapse.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:16 | 809861 Spitzer
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we get a new dark age

No.

The elite are moving to gold via the Euro/freegold. The Elite know the dollars flaws.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 21:36 | 810322 IQ 145
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 Moving to gold via the Euro; it sounds like it means something; but I can't quite see what it would be.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 22:48 | 810486 kubrick007
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go here and read for about 2 days, it explains it all:

 

http://fofoa.blogspot.com/

 

while your reading, transfer cash to an account so you can wire money to apmex because the second you are done reading it that is what you will immediately want to do.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 22:03 | 810389 I think I need ...
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i agree with everything spitzer is saying tonight. the garbage media over here makes it sound like they are in huge trouble but its only a few countries and they will either be shaved off or have substantial gold we don't know about.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 08:17 | 811073 fallingman
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Dominoes, bitchez!

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 09:03 | 811111 Calmyourself
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That scenario does not preclude a new dark age.  I believe elites were represented in the last dark age.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 23:15 | 810555 dussasr
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I would not be quoting Lyndon LaRouche even if his views temporarily aligned with my own...

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:57 | 809803 Gubbmint Cheese
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6 countries? Italy.. Greece.. where else?

 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:17 | 809866 JohnG
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Greece was paralyzed by a general strike and violent protests on Wednesday and trade unions staged demonstrations in France, Spain, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark and the Czech Republic against government austerity measures one day ahead of what promises to be a fractious European Union summit to agree on a permanent mechanism to handle future debt crises.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,734811,00.html

 

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 18:58 | 809804 cswjr
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So, here's a question: PM have been tracking the EURUSD.  When one of the nations in Europe (finally) blows up, do PM go up as a flight to quality, or down the toilet with the Euro?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:06 | 809829 DoChenRollingBearing
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Up, flight to quality.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:12 | 809845 tmosley
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Paper and physical diverge sharply.  Paper goes down with the Euro, physical goes to the moon.

This process has already started, as aggressive buying of physical has forced gold and especially silver retailers to raise their premiums.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:17 | 809870 Spitzer
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ECB Assets (as at January 1, 1999):

1. Gold - €99,598,000,000
2. Foreign currency claims outside the Eurozone - €230,342,000,000

Total reserves at ECB MTM concept innauguration - €329,940,000,000
Gold proportion of the Eurosystem's reserves on Jan. 1, 1999 - 30% (30.19%)

Conclusion: During the last decade of the Bretton Woods "experiment", 1958-1968, gold failed to produce new international liquidity and fell from 66% --> 51% as a proportion of international reserves. But during the FIRST decade of the Freegold (ECB MTM FLOATING gold price) "experiment", gold has risen from 30% --> 60% of the Eurosystem's (international liquidity) reserves.

Think on this one for a while. It deserves at least that.

1958-1968 - 66% --> 51%
1999-2010 - 30% --> 60%

And where do you think it might be going?

1999-->2010-->201_ - 30% --> 60% --> 9_%?

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 19:48 | 810000 THE DORK OF CORK
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If you divide the Euro Gold reserves into the M1 money supply you get roughly 13.5 thousand Euros a ounce.

You even have to more then double the Euro gold price to cover the physical notes in circulation.

If you take a more conservative gold standard encompassing M2 which in Europe encompasses M2 you get a even larger number........

The Euro is a hyperinflationy dog - the ECBs function was solely designed to transfer wealth to the ruling classes via monetory hyperinflation and subsequent asset price inflation - enriching its clients.

Its going down baby - the malinvestment has been epic in scale.

We have had no major war yet the west is finished - UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:04 | 810060 Spitzer
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who ever hyperinflates first loses.

My bet is the dollar, look at the swap lines to the ECB and the bailouts from the IMF. Looks like dollars are getting printed to me, not Euro's

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:19 | 810095 THE DORK OF CORK
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Whether the money is lost on a via default or is hyper inflated into infinity it needs Gold on the other side of the balance sheet.

In the great scheme of things it does not matter wether you do a Ben B or a Axel W.

The Loss was incurred when they made loans to non productive non capital forming ventures.

The west has been destroyed by monetarists that believe that money is not a energy token - they will be proven wrong.

The malinvestment has been epic - we had all the money for Holidays on the Med yet Nuclear power plants were too expensive as they were capital intensive so we ran down capital instead as in this system all money must be spent.

I have recently gone from bearish to uber bearish - the "authorties" either do not understand the problem or want the 4 horse men to come and finish it.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:45 | 810139 Dr. Acula
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"money [is an] energy token"

That's stupid. Energy has no special place in the science of economics. The only thing dumber than your phrase is the absurdity called EROEI. It is impossible to grasp economics by playing childish games with physical quantities.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:46 | 810167 Jasper M
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It can be argued that economics is a special case of ecology, which is, in turn, a special case of thermodynamics. So money Is an energy token, just with the details (unfortunately) overlooked.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 22:07 | 810402 Dr. Acula
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To say $1 is an energy token because it can be traded for energy is specious. A unit of money can with equal justification be called a cheeseburger-token or tchotchke-token.

To say $1 is an energy token because the unit of currency contains energy is also absurd. Because then a $1 gold eagle would not be an energy token - there is no way to extract energy from them. Electronic money does not even have rest-mass energy.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 04:54 | 810986 AnAnonymous
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To try to measure anything with money  is specious.

That is the issue. Money cant measure anything. That is where the problem is.

 

By the way, cheese burgers are energy.

Thu, 12/16/2010 - 17:53 | 812569 johan404
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Ok. How do any products get manufactured or services get provided without energy? If I put a $1 bill in my gas tank, will my car run on it? Money represents the ability to do work and produce goods, energy (oil) is the ability to do work and produce goods. You are clearly retarded and think industrial goods are made and transported with magical pixie dust, or you are a troll.

Wed, 12/15/2010 - 20:47 | 810168 THE DORK OF CORK
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 I give up - but before the lights go out I must endeavor to buy some slaves while they are still cheap.

Tell me Dr.Acula  what is the name of the free energy planet that you hale from ?

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