Nigel Farage: Europe Is Becoming An Orwelian Police State, Ruled By Unelectable Madmen, Which May Soon Be Overrun With Violence

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Kyron95131's picture

and it wont end there neither im afraid...

Ray1968's picture

Why do you think governments are purchasing riot control devices like vehicle mounted microwave guns ... to disperse crowds?

RECISION's picture

Yes.

On the positive side, microwaves wont disperse rocks, Molotov cocktails and bullets.

williambanzai7's picture

But they will explode vital organs

RECISION's picture

Well, no not really. It produces an intense burning sensation on the skin.

But that only works at relatively short range - if it is pointing at you.

And if the signal isn't being reflected back, or the vehicle it is mounted on isn't burning or being shot up.

A Proud Canadian's picture

A tinfoil hat will defeat it (along with a tinfoil poncho!).  Hmmmm, some Alcoa calls?

G-R-U-N-T's picture

Nigel might as well be speaking to the USA.

If we had a batallion of Nigel Farage's as politicians things would be cleaned up in a heart beat!

SofaPapa's picture

Assuming he is as good as his word, I like this guy.  At least I've heard one.  Movements and societal change start small.  But I am so grateful to hear that there are people stepping forward with the charisma and the vision to lead, and who recognize the extreme danger of the the centralizers, without proposing an even harsher more dictatorial state to replace them with.  He's right; we need to win this battle.  It's crucial.

G-R-U-N-T's picture

It is indeed crucial. I ache inside when I see such a small minority of politically elite entrenched arrogant statist believing in a system that is so destructive to the masses and this ache turns to nausea when I see an ignorant populace allowing themselves to be ruled this way.

"I do not believe in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance."

-Thomas Carlyle

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Al Gorerhythm's picture

Nausea turns to indignance.

Indignance turns to anger.

Anger turns to........ (fill in the blank)

G-R-U-N-T's picture

Anger turns to a mob mentality.

A mob mentality turns to....(fill in the blank)

 

MayIMommaDogFace2theBananaPatch's picture

...full-contact-shopping at BestBuy at 4am on the day after Thanksgiving.

Al Gorerhythm's picture

Beautiful.

and back to anger when the ipod is out of stock. That's when indignation rises to a crescendo.

thefatasswilly's picture

I assume you are arguing for democracy.

The people in America, the most powerful democracy on Earth, don't give a shit about the issues that matter. Dancing with the stars, etc. Why should they be allowed to even vote, if they don't give a shit, and are too stupid to understand the issues anyway?

Calmyourself's picture

Go back to your ultra racist rants, you know nothing about real Americans or America.  We are a representative Republic not a Democracy..  I hear Hu Jintao needs a little more lotion on his back hurry along now..

thefatasswilly's picture

Address the issue, moron.

There is little difference between representative republic and democracy, or have you not read Mencken?

Calmyourself's picture

Your a dull tool and Menckens views are not relevant as we all all aware of the limitations of the Republic form.  We have plenty of jackasses worshipping jackasses here, we know that.. What we never hear you extol is the virtues of Hu Jintao and his command and control economy..  Your crash is coming and it will be harder and much more brutal than ours.  850 million peasants are going to get pissed again and you sound like an intellectual, at least to a chinese peasant with a pitchfork and an empty belly.  Bye..

Now go rub the lotion on Hu Jintao..

thefatasswilly's picture

I am not extolling Hu Jintao, who will replaced in 2012 anyway. I have never even typed his name on this forum, you dimwit. "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, simple minds discuss people." Thus far, you have only attempted to discuss Hu Jintao and myself. Seriously, shut the fuck up.

I am expressing serious concern over the viability of democracy, and you are still refusing to address the issue. Instead, you attempt to rely on personal attacks without addressing the fucking topic at hand. I mean, yes, I am a racist. Does that mean that the ideas I have posed are any less relevant? No, you fucking imbecile.

Shut the fuck up unless you have something to contribute.

Al Gorerhythm's picture

So as to establish an understanding of your point of view; Are we a Constitutional Democracy or are we a Constitutional Republic?

AnAnonymous's picture

It is quite easy.

Democracy is a political ideology.

Republic is a form of government, meaning that ruling charges are public (res publica as opposed to res privata, when  ruling charges are privately owned, inherited and open to purchase/selling)

Propagandists, delusional people like to oppose a political ideology to a form of government. A sure win in confusion land. And a clear attempt to avoid discussing the reality.

The US are a constitutional republic based on the political ideology known as democracy.

Iran is a constitutional republic based on the political ideology known as theocracy.

Crisis are good to exhibit real causes of success. In normal times, the top dogs can and do like to lie on the way they achieve success. In times of crisis, though, they are compelled to exhibit what makes them successfull, their ultimate recipes.

They would prefer not.

The US has been extremely apt in the extortion, farming business. The best of all. Yet the US prefers to depict its way to  success in other terms.

Too bad Ben Bernanke  is at starving people around in order to keep the US afloat. Does not help the myth...

thefatasswilly's picture

Sigh. I am calm. This is NOT about ME, Jesus Mary and Joseph fuck. I admit I am becoming a bit less calm.

This is about DEMOCRACY! Once again, if the people do not give a shit about the issues, what right do they have to vote?

Al Gorerhythm's picture

My comment was directed at Calmyourself.

Can you expand on my question directed to you above?

ie: Are we a Constitutional Democracy or are we a Constitutional Republic?

Calmyourself's picture

I feel quite calm Al, thanks for the concern. 

thefatasswilly's picture

Well, to answer your question, we must probe deeper.

Originally, America was a constitutional republic. However, at this point in time, America is a corporate fascist state (China's corporate fascist state is similar, but opposite: its corporations were all spawned by the state, and subordinate to it. This method of government may prove superior).

However, republic vs. democracy matters little, because the same idiot mob, uninformed and complacent on the real issues, are the real sovereign power in either case (it is via mind control, aka television and movies, of said sovereign power that the corporations have thus attained an even higher, fascist power). That is the issue I am bringing up.

Al Gorerhythm's picture

OK, now I have a peg to hang my hat on. 

Rules of debate; any vulgarities and I leave.

Question, you seem to have a handle on the historical and present mix of those holding the balance of power in the US. Today's oligarchical controllers wield the big stick and have formed a fascist alliance with congress. As far as representative government goes, how does one form of fascism hold the moral high ground over another?

thefatasswilly's picture

Morality means little to me; I look only at results and effectiveness.

The representative government of America has obviously resulted in fascism; the mob welcomes it. There is no alternative, because that's how history played out.

P.S. The world is of full of vulgarities; I suggest you harden your skin and your heart. I do enjoy your name, though.

thefatasswilly's picture

Morality means little to me; I look only at results and effectiveness.

The representative government of America has obviously resulted in fascism; the mob welcomes it. There is no alternative, because that's how history played out.

P.S. The world is of full of vulgarities; I suggest you harden your skin and your heart. I do enjoy your name, though.

Al Gorerhythm's picture

Let me re-word it to "superior' then.

However, if one is going to debate politics, there has to be an acknowledgment that the majority of regime changes in history, where the people occur because of some moral indignation over fat cat indifference to the individual's plight. This usually leads to revolt and a demand for balanced representation through liberty, property rights and freedom of speech and so. Both China and the US governments are not recognizing  those liberties. When moral codes die, so does Liberty.

thefatasswilly's picture

Ah, what a pleasant debate! This is what I look for on zerohedge.

Your analysis of revolution is spot on . . . for western culture. However, I do believe that we have entered into a new era, where revolution is impossible.

Why? The shadows on the wall, my friend; the television and movie screens keep the masses enslaved. No power as diabolical and all encompassing has ever existed before. We few who have broken free from the cave and see the world are rare, scattered, and powerless against the almighty mob.

The east faces this same problem, in addition to the fact that the people see a paternalistic state as the norm. It has been thus since before the time of your western savior.

Calmyourself's picture
They are allowed to vote for a representative to represent them because that is how our very successful system most correctly identified as a representative Republic was set up.  I may not like the fact that citizens who do not fully understand the system or the issues are allowed to vote.  However, our system has worked much, much longer and much better than yours..  In the immortal words of Churchill
"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

Command and control not so much.  By the way no matter how much you deride our system those peasants are still coming for you.

thefatasswilly's picture

You're extolling a republic, then quote Churchill talking about why DEMOCRACY is great . . . your Churchill quote doesn't even express WHY democracy is great.

Refer to my quote, you fucking moron.

Calmyourself's picture

Your inability to grasp the integral relationship between the two shows just how shallow you are.. Every American and most Europeans know exactly the relationship this quote has to the American Representative Republic, you really do not grasp it do you.

Besides, is there anyone else on this entire site that must resort too and apparently needs to abuse others with as much vulgarity as you?  You are a vulgar little chinese puppet, trapped in a failing mercantile system who simply lashes out, reminds me of a dying dragon whipping his worthless tail.

How is that inflation treating you over there, peasants getting enough to eat?  True power exports inflation, psuedo power absorbs it.

thefatasswilly's picture

I insult you because you are indeed a moron, and here is why:

1) You have not responded to my initial query, something about idiot mobs, which you obviously belong to, and voting, which you obviously should be banned from ever doing, considering how fucking stupid you are.

2) Your response was to attempt to personally insult me, instead of, once again, addressing the issue at hand, which, once again, you have failed to do except spew some random quote by a dead white guy stating that democracy is the greatest thing EVAR . . . without explaining WHY.

You have nothing of substance to say. Shut the fuck up. You are worthless.

Calmyourself's picture

Ha, I answered your question about why mobs vote in America you just chose not to read it.  You are such an angry little puppet you start with vulgarities and you seem shocked when someone would question your intelligence or education.  I got it, your a Chinese Progressive, thats another American thing you won't quite grasp. 

Enough of that, why not tell us more about your system. We could use a little more knowledge about the grand Chinese experiment with mercantilism and how you think it will end for you, fire or ice..

thefatasswilly's picture

"they are allowed to vote for a representative to represent them because that is how our very successful system most correctly identified as a representative Republic was set up."

It's the best because that's how it is. Great explanation, moron.

BigJim's picture

To answer your earlier question: why should a moronic public, with no interest in deeper issues (such as economics), be given the vote?

I am not a US constitutional scholar, but my understanding is that, as originally envisioned by the 'founding fathers', the role of the popular vote was to enable the populace to throw out a government without having to resort to violence. It was not seen as a mechanism whereby the voter could elect leaders who, to paraphrase Mencken, advance auction stolen goods.

The government was to be small, and not the redistributive mechanism it has since become, where you now essentially have a tyranny of the majority (or largest minorities).

Aristotle commented that most democracies had failed for this very reason - the poloi ('the many') wind up trying to take all the wealth of the more successful, who, being more intelligent/aggressive/proactive/influential/take your pick, seize back power.

In our latest incarnation, we have the middle class squeezed by the mass of voters (who vote for politicians who espouse redistributive policies), and the elites (who can afford to buy government policies).

It's ugly. As yet, though, it still seems preferable to living in China... though for how long, remains to be seen.

Calmyourself's picture

Mr. Willy already knows this as it is inherent in the way he asks the question.  He is a political troll.  When Churchills quote regarding democracy is dismissed as having nothing to do with the American experiment of Representative Republicanism the educational section of the tour is over.

Each man was born with God given inalienable rights which is why in the end we all have the vote for better or worse.  The spark of godly creation was seen in all men by the founders of the country.  This is not to say voting largesse from the treasury is not a bug, we know it is.  Reverting the franchise based on land ownership or other criteria may be difficult at this point but probably necessary.

Surely, America is the only country where a forum is set up for Chinese living under self admitted evolved oligarchial fascists to question a system that has lasted longer, been more successful economically than anything they have ever accomplished.  This while calling the adherents of that system complete jerks, over and over.  Mr. willy should be learning that open systems like ours are stronger than is by a magnitude but that lesson escapes him.

Besides instead of telling us what is wrong where is the instruction on the better system?

G-R-U-N-T's picture

Hey Fatass,

Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups!!! I argue for a Republic not a democracy because what you are witnessing today in Europe and sadly America is the pitiful residue of what happens in a democracy.

To give some clarity...A Republic is representative government ruled by law (the Constitution). A democracy is direct government ruled by the majority (mob rule). A Republic recognizes the inalienable rights of individuals while democracies are only concerned with group wants or needs (the public good).

 

Nigel has brass balls, guts, and is willing to tell it like it is. I enjoyed watching him pulling the covers of Mr. van Rompuy and all the European banksta's, commissioners, and politicians that believe this Marxist unity crap. They are indeed a legend in their own minds. These are what I call sophisticated idiots because the residue of their ideas manifested always end up causing chaos to the masses and eventually their own annihilation.

America has a Constitution and if we had more courageous politicians to uphold it's principles vs. their re-election ambitions we would have a better America. But at least we have a Constitution. What does Europe have?

 

 

A Proud Canadian's picture

Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups!!!

...and quite a few pregnancies, as well!

 

 

2blackdogs's picture

I wouldn't count on anything being cleaned up anytime soon.                 http://gillettenewsrecord.com/articles/2010/11/28/news/today/news04.txt

The US has just given RUSSIA CONTROL of 2 URANIUM MINES in Gillette WY?

 

destraht's picture

Its for zombies. Brainless, dead, impassioned zombies.

themosmitsos's picture

This whole Anglo-American anti-EU cheering & celebration of the death of the EU is idiotic & sidesteps the issue that yes, perhaps things are as bleak he says, but at least in the EU people are aware of it, and protesting it & opposing it, while in the US everyone lubes up, bends over, & sucks on The Ben. Ber--nank teat as if it's nectar.

Reality Check

Bill D. Cat's picture

Dude , that's not his teat .

flacon's picture

Hey "thermo". Did you ever hear of "hurricane Katrina"? THAT is what is going to happen to USA when (WHEN) and (ONLY WHEN) the system finally breaks down. Until the system BREAKS DOWN - the "dependents" will continue to buy the latest gadgets at Wal-Mart. 

 

By the way,.... most of the "useless eaters" are the spawn of socialism - and when socialism's teat dries up, they DIE.