Nigel Farage Explains Why Greece Must Be Allowed To Default

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Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:30 | 1389252 The Profit Prophet
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NIGEL!...NIGEL!...NIGEL!...

T.E.I.N. bitchez!

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:02 | 1389375 ratso
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Turns out that Greece is a financial drug addict and the EU, IMF and ECB are the long standing enablers who live in denial about what can be done.

Bite the bullet cut your losses by absorbing the debt and end Greece's participation in the Eurozone.  No amount of pleading by Greece asying "I'll be good I'll be good" will help.

All financial help to Greece at this point will just postphone the inevitable and prevent Greece from maturing financially.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:41 | 1389510 AnAnonymous
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At least, this guy has the honesty of putting the two alternatives face to face.

Too often, in this US driven world, the propagandists have told there could only be one outcome: destruction of the eurozone.

This guy has the basic honesty to admit that there is the other outcome: the strengthening of the Eurozone through integration.

 

Eurozone on the US path, definitively.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 21:43 | 1390853 ViewfromUnderth...
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unity after war...brilliant!

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:05 | 1389803 TheBillMan
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Ah, but you fail to understand what is at stake here.  It is not about getting paid back (though the elites certainly don't want to lose any money).  It's about continuing the scam at any cost.  If Greece is allowed to leave the union under any circumstances, it would psychologically mean the end of the European Union, of a single currency, and a single politically united Europe.  They would have to admit that the great experiment has failed.  More importantly, they would have to admit that the ultimate goal of a single world central bank and single planetary government is a pipe dream: a world government run by the elites for the benefit of the elites and a world central bank that would allow them to print unlimited amounts of fiat currency to fraudulently buy up the world's assets for themselves beyond the reach of any law enforcement apparatus.  They would have to take all the well laid plans they have concocted over the last 50 years since the first Bilderberg meeting and throw it all in the dustbin.  The problem is that it already too late for them.  Greece will default and the European Union with disintegrate.  It is only a matter of time.  I just hope for the sake of the elite that they have a hidden island somewhere that doesn't appear on any maps to hide on.  They're gonna need it.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 23:41 | 1390938 slewie the pi-rat
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when the bilderberg dream fails, they will take manhattan.   actually, they already have. 

maps are way overrated.  trust me.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 14:32 | 1389678 Metropolis_Minx
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Interview with Nigel Farage from Saturday:

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2011/6/18_MEP_Nigel_Farage.html

There's a smidge of "hopium" at the end of the broadcast.

 

M_M

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 14:32 | 1389679 Armando Javier ...
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What is tein?

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:26 | 1389879 Rodent Freikorps
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The End Is Near

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:30 | 1389255 Cognitive Dissonance
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Blasphemous Heretic!

Burn the heretic at the stake. Must push market higher. Never use the term 'default'. Must silence all those who refuse to kick the can.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:30 | 1389279 The Profit Prophet
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My cool new term for default: "Right Size"......i.e. Greece must Right Size its debt in order to avoid financial slavery!

T.E.I.N. bitchez!

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:37 | 1389306 LowProfile
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The right size = No size.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:25 | 1389257 Ancona
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I agree. Take the pain now, because later it will be double.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:31 | 1389266 Cognitive Dissonance
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This is an exponential road to hell so the pain won't double but rather quadruple.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:10 | 1389396 Oh regional Indian
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CD, you got junked for being conservative.

I feel the tipping point we are now approaching will come with binary ferocity.

Phase change. Snap.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/06/21/thunder-perfect-mind/

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:14 | 1389426 Cognitive Dissonance
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ORI

I got junked because my stealth junker is back. S/he must have missed my low profile over the last few days. It's nice to know I'm loved hated by some. It adds balance to the Karma.

Or it could just be mother pissed off because I haven't called. Mom, I lost your new phone number. Please email me your latest one.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:37 | 1389509 Shell Game
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If you're pissing off the right people, CD, you just may be on to something..  ;-)

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:59 | 1389576 Thomas
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"Phase change. Snap."

Could not have said it better.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:34 | 1389278 qussl3
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Yup they are better bearing it now, else its lehmann later.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 15:50 | 1389950 Zero Govt
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"Phase Change: Snap" is absolutely correct, the Western world is afterall built on a house of (credit) cards ....once a small stack of these IOU's fold the rest of the pack should collapse in short order

Timber!!

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:31 | 1389267 Robslob
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As long as "pain" does not interfere with elections then it will be allowed...

or

Of course only when every last elite has "left the station" complete default will be allowed.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:32 | 1389268 hugovanderbubble
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Sell the news,

 

Reversal Island coming SP back to 1.100

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:30 | 1389274 vegas
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Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall,

Humpty Dumpty had a great fall,

All the King's horsemen and all the King's men,

couldn't put Humpty together again.

 

Nothing new under the blinding sun of Euro hubris.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:30 | 1389275 Mudflap
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We're gonna need this...

Ingredients for homemade liquor-Union Army-
bark juice
tar-water
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alcohol

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:48 | 1389336 disabledvet
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indeed it could be worse.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:30 | 1389276 writingsonthewall
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I believe that Greece (the birthplace of Democracy) is now also the birthplace of the new world system.

Anarchy.

...better get your reading glasses on....

Wed, 06/22/2011 - 06:53 | 1389983 Zero Govt
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Anarchy on the streets in Greece indeed, but well worth clarifying who the anarchists are, public sector workers and students angry at the broken promises of those scumbags, politicians

...these Govt drip-feed babes are throwing their toys outta the pram at having the sugary syrup of other peoples money taken away, Boo Hoo ;,,(

...when the private sector (small business) and productive citizens take to the streets, or simply refuse to pay their taxes, that's when 'democracy' returns and we start heading in  the right direction.. not this pathetic public sector babes spitting their dummies out (yawn)

 

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:34 | 1389277 Version 7
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"We really believe that many of the current problems result from incomplete integration."

We can't let a good crisis go to waste can we..

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:39 | 1389283 qussl3
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I think he meant the phallus isnt sufficiently integrated with taxpayer butts yet.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:31 | 1389284 williambanzai7
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What then is the price of democracy in its birthplace?

That says it in a nutshell.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:53 | 1389337 disabledvet
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i think the answer "more" does myself.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:13 | 1389416 nonclaim
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Let's not forget how democracy (the democratic party) came into power in Athens: smear campaign against the aristocracy and a coup while they were out in a diplomatic trip.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:54 | 1389560 AnAnonymous
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It looks like the US story. A coup against the aristocracy...

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:41 | 1389285 Mercury
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It is extraordinary that the IMF is suggesting that this economic crisis is in any way synonymous with what was happening in the US in the 1840s. The only slavery here is of the people to the Eurocrats dream.

It's not that extrodinary if you realize that in their analogy the Eurocrats are hoping to skip over the equivilent of the U.S. civil war and right up to 1865 when the The Commerce Clause was rammed into the constitution and the federal government really put itself into the driver's seat.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:54 | 1389345 macholatte
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It's the new propaganda. The sheeple are ignorant of history so anythng goes. The Soros-Obama Machine has been doing it for years. So why not the Eurocrats. It's all complete and utter horseshit but the audience has no clue.

 

The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.
John F. Kennedy

The rulers of the state are the only persons who ought to have the privilege of lying, either at home or abroad; they may be allowed to lie for the good of the state.
Plato

It is true that liberty is precious; so precious that it must be carefully rationed.
Vladimir Lenin

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:55 | 1389356 SilverDosed
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So the IMF is saying that any country that tries to "seceed" from the union should be slaughtered, their cities burned to the ground, and then economic slavery put on anyone who survives for the next 150+ years? Sounds pretty spot on to me.

For the one or two that dont know any better, the civil war was not about slavery, it was about economic control, like almost every other war in history, actually it kind of was about slavery, and slavery won.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:27 | 1389457 Inibo E. Exibo
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"actually it kind of was about slavery, and slavery won."

+1861

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 17:41 | 1390395 nevadan
Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:37 | 1389289 oogs66
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At some point the politicians have to do the will of the people, no?

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:38 | 1389293 Internet Tough Guy
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No

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:45 | 1389314 writingsonthewall
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The people have to demonstrate their will - by refusing to participate in the charade any longer.

Strike, Occupy, Sabotage.

The ONLY thing the fascists fear is a mass dissention by the workers (slaves) - as you can see in Syria, even a state with apparently no moral boundaries will find it difficult to manage without the support of the majority.

The best way to rid yourself of parasites is to go into slumber. That's why Europe is already striking because without willing people - there is no nation to control.

It's a serious matter - now you must choose whether you want to side with the slave masters - or fight to be free.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:40 | 1389301 Version 7
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Only if you make them an offer they can't refuse.

Wed, 06/22/2011 - 07:01 | 1391168 tonyw
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"do the will of the people" no they do what's in their own interests. Since we're talking about Greece take the EU, the politicians avoided a referendum when it was sure to go against them and in the case of Ireland when they voted no they just had to vote again.

In the US the people were against bailing out the banksters but what happened, the banksters got bailed out.

 

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:40 | 1389302 JR
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Crime? Confiscation of public tax monies and sovereign infrastructures to bail out the bankers – whether in America or Greece, whether it’s Citibank or Deutsche Bank AG -- is inequality before the law.

“When will we call a crime a crime? When will we demand a jail-out, not just more bail-outs. Unless we do, and until we do, the people who created the worst crisis in our time will, in effect, get away with the biggest rip-off in history.” -- Will Banksters Get Away With It | February 26, 2011 | Al Jazeera

It’s in the interest of these giant international bankers and international corporations to keep the Eurozone together, yes, but it’s not necessarily in the interest of the average German or European citizen.  The German people, et al., just give up more and more of their standard of living to the bankers, as do Americans when forced, for example, to give billions in taxpayer funds to the likes of AIG’s counterparties -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc, Deutsche Bank AG, Merrill Lynch, Societe Generale, Calyon, Barclays Plc, Rabobank, Danske, HSBC, Royal Bank of Scotland, Banco Santander, Morgan Stanley, Wachovia, Bank of America, and Lloyds Banking Group…

And now look what they’re attempting to do to the Greek people; the IMF/Fed will grind them into the dirt if they get their way.  And this is just the beginning; the tyrants who come after them will make Mao look like some kind of Sunday school teacher.

These people aren’t content with their commissions and bailouts from control of the currency anymore; they want slavery.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:06 | 1389391 disabledvet
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indeed.  "See ya' later, Lehman."  Long live Lehman Brothers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecFBcpY9NHI&feature=player_detailpage

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:06 | 1389393 lynnybee
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Crime ........ bingo, that's right ..... why isn't more written about the crime of it all , the collusion of politicians & bankers at the highest levels to drain the wealth out of whole countries & into their coffers !

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:31 | 1389475 Confuchius
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Chairman Mao was a teacher.

He taught that political power comes out of the barrel of a gun.

The Afghans have learned this.

The Americans and Europeans have yet to learn it.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:43 | 1389528 AnAnonymous
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Crime? Confiscation of public tax monies and sovereign infrastructures to bail out the bankers – whether in America or Greece, whether it’s Citibank or Deutsche Bank AG -- is inequality before the law.

 

Inequality? Then it is good.

US citizens have equality. Equality is a straightforward, tractable notion that is not that easy to manipulate. Hence the US hate as it calls for concrete results.

US citizens prefer vastly freedom, a vague, undelineated concept that it is easy to manipulate. It allows vast ground for propagandists (the heart of America) and freedom can be painted as being the US at its inception, a nation calling for freedom and maintaining slavery.

What is happening is totally American. The bankers have to be treated inequaly.

The US citizens nature is eternal and dont ask from them what they can not deliver. Consideration for equality is not one of them. US kind of freedom, totally and the bankers are free by US freedom standards.

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 12:40 | 1389304 Sambo
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I like the comment at the end of the webpage:

 

People talk about this as a car crash. I think of it more like the sinking of the Titanic. We are at the stage where the damage is done but the ship is still floating and nobody in charge can quite believe that this is really happening and that such an unsinkable vast construction such as this can possibly be going down. Even a "Farage Of Common Sense" fired directly at them will probably not wake them from their reverie until it is too late. Lifeboats anyone?
Steve Boston - Fife, Scotland

Tue, 06/21/2011 - 13:01 | 1389362 hambone
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apropos - all we need now is Jamie Dimon on the bow of the ship shouting "I'm the king of the world" while the ship is capsizing from the stern.

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