No, Actually Bill Gross IS Short Treasurys

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Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:54 | 1279894 66Sexy
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fuckin scumbag

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:10 | 1279974 Weisbrot
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so many disasters man made & others

so much turmoil all over the globe

conspiracy or happenstance it almost doesnt matter

I am convinced that the powers that be, believe something much worse will happen

various theories and reasons abound, based on strings or piles of truth

things will never be what they were

may what ever it is or the series of events that lead to it

be quick, be concise, and have the best possible outcome for the worse of all possible situations


until then enjoy all the side shows

and remember that everything is temporary

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:29 | 1280047 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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conspiracy or happenstance it almost doesnt matter

It matters.

Oh! would that I could prove for everyone what it is!

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:40 | 1280057 66Sexy
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"I NEVER had sexual relations with that woman..."

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 16:14 | 1280459 hbjork1
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Ah yes, the truth will out.  Actually, Gross does not have an obligation to the public to tell what he is doing.  Clinton, considering he was an employee if the people in his roll as President (IMO) did have an ethical obligation to be honest with the people. 

But, oh wait!  Bill did not have Coitus with that woman!  Maybe he thought that ment he did not have sexual relations. 

Just a little misunderstanding. 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 21:01 | 1281226 Dejean Splicer
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"Oh! would that I could prove for everyone what it is!"

Wanna know?

GOTO: 1:44:00 and watch for about 5 minutes.

It's coming back. It did not change our gravitational orbit but it did accelerate polar shift within the earth. The poles are now shifting at a rate about 100x faster than expected.

And keep watching for a few minutes to see his evidence of the sun pulsing.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 22:14 | 1281580 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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Thanks for the share. Watching it now.

Sounds like you're talking about the "destroyer" celestial object that returns periodically to cause cataclysmic, civilization-destroying events on Earth.

I watched Lucus' "rabbit hole" presentation last year and that's how I got introduced to the idea -- unless you can count 1994's SNES video game "Illusion of Gaia". I did further searches from the armchair from which I use my computer for evidence of this object.

Let me point out that my words were "would that I could prove for everyone" -- by which I specifically mean that what is sufficient for proof for some men is insufficient for others... just like your link today is not sufficient proof for everyone.

I look at a lot of things as possible but neither proven true nor proven false. For all I've seen, which is not much in the great scheme of things, I still consider an imminent astronomic apocalypse to be not proven true -- and not proven false. And I'm including the link you gave, since I've finished it by now.

Here's a theory for you to consider: the feudalistic bankers and robber barons don't believe in imminent astronomic apocalypse, but they encourage others to believe in it (along with a thousand other ideas and theories) so that others will relent just a little in the pursuit of justice against the banksters and robber barons on the planet right now at this moment.

In other words, imagine David Rockefeller is cornered by law enforcement agents, who want to try him for crimes against humanity. He then offers them compelling "evidence" that convinces them that a comet is coming to destroy the world. They believe him and they suddenly want to join his team. He laughs his sick ass off at getting away with murder with some evidence that his science propaganda department cooked up.

This, too, is possible, although not provably true or false.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:54 | 1279895 FOC 1183
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the roswell comment was one in a string of increasingly bizarre statements from Bill

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1279928 4shzl
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He lies.  It's really just that simple: HE LIES -- all the time, in whatever way he thinks will improve his book.  End of story.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:08 | 1279954 Cognitive Dissonance
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It was a very poor attempt to disparage "the blogger" by trying to connect 'the blogger" to so-called outlandish conspiracy theories. I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:20 | 1280005 Pegasus Muse
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Outlandish conspiracy theory you say.  Roswell?!  Surely you jest.  It is a proven fact; all quite extensively documented: 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 16:06 | 1280424 Sofa King
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For a minute there, I thought he was going all Jeff Macke on us:

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 19:37 | 1281071 gmrpeabody
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I miss the Beaker..., don't see too much of him anymore!

Too funny. And Jeff..., that was a blast from the past!

Thanks, Sofa.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:55 | 1279900 DK Delta
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Excellent pick-up

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1279912 DK Delta
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Why on earth is he denying it on national tv? What is he stupid?

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:07 | 1279961 Cognitive Dissonance
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Because most people will take his word for it rather than some 'blogger'.

And no, he is not stupid. This is an accepted business practice in America. Straw man building is so much fun when you can knock them down as well.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1279913 TruthInSunshine
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Finance for retards/CNBC anchors.


Damnit, Zero Hedge, you just killed another of my projects I had in the works.

It was going to be a pictogram book, and williambanzai was going to do the illustration for me.

People on CNBsC can legitimately say, to crib a line from There's Something About Mary, that they "work with retards."

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:58 | 1279915 RobotTrader
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Trading in pretty much everything is outright maniacal in currencies, metals, energy, etc.

However, the stalwart issues such as COF, DFS, AXP are unfazed and punching up to 52-week highs, as "electronic payment" boom is about to hit the Smartphone market.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:07 | 1279951 Careless Whisper
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race for the exits today.

hope no one bought that JCP on the open.  whoa!

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:10 | 1279962 Internet Tough Guy
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And AAPL, which he doesn't talk about any more. Momofade was a perfect fade on gold this morning too. He's as good a fade as Cramer.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:09 | 1279968 The Axe
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Holy no Volume....what no charts on AAPL<CRM OR PCLN  today

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:21 | 1280002 Careless Whisper
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MCP down 25% in two weeks. missed that short, prolly too late now. LULU worth keeping in the radar. seems a little top heavy.  and then there's NFLX.....


Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:27 | 1280031 Careless Whisper
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oops, looks like i was wrong on the "too late now" short on MCP

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:19 | 1280004 lieutenantjohnchard
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by RobotTrader
on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 08:40


Yet again, retailers buck off the bad news.

JCP up 7% premarket after blowout earnings.


yet again you're wrong which is why you don't trust yourself to trade anything but widows and orphans stocks like vz, mo and hd. jcp high $41 today. current $37.75. guess the retailers bucked off the good news before they bucked on the bad news.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:43 | 1280080 The Axe
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Market--high betas act SICK.....I smell fear and loathing

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:56 | 1279918 Ponzi Unit
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Doesn't want to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater?

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:59 | 1279919 Zing
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He is about to go down in flames because deflation is going to take rates down

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:07 | 1279960 akak
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Good luck with your unicorn hunt.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:47 | 1280094 earnyermoney
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Ben Bernanke and the bankstas do not want deflation. They want inflation and they're going to print money until the reach their objectives.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:11 | 1279922 Mercury
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Perhaps next time anyone interviewing Gross will ask something more substantial than textbook "finance for retards/CNBC anchors" questions and demand an answer from the bond titan just how many hundreds of billions in UST short equivalent eurodollar notionals he has on his books?

And that is (one of the reasons) why CNBC's periodic "full disclosure" announcements are bullshit.

Come on Bill, listen to Marla and tell your audience that they should simply assume that you stand to benefit from being right.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:14 | 1279983 NOTW777
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cnbc back to touting that OBL had porn, this from the channel that has a melissa lee porn special every few months (usually when the market is weak) oh well, whatever it takes to relect barack. nbc also taking out trump

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:36 | 1280063 Atomizer
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Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:00 | 1279923 Quinvarius
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I am sure he got a phone call asking him to say something nice about Treasuries.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:00 | 1279926 InconvenientCou...
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Half-truths depending on the fact that almost no one understands these derivatives.

Old school rules of misinformation. Rules that benefit the dilligent.

In the context of outright fraud and DSK-ing, it seems tame.


Mon, 05/16/2011 - 13:59 | 1279930 6 String
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The "law" can shut even Gross and Pimco down if they get too loud about the great Ponzi scheme. I guarantee you any money management firm can be flogged in HFT time by the regulators should they get "the call" to do so.

And in other news, even Yahoo is reporting the technical default on U.S. debt and it has been met with the complete yawn. And to think, PM's are DOWN today.

The world has officially gone apeshit. At least we know we're not to far away from an official default.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:02 | 1279931 Ponzi Unit
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Second take: If you are the "blogger", Tyler, then you are proving influential indeed.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 15:38 | 1280320 Vergeltung
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yeah, I think that's the real take from all of this........

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:01 | 1279933 plocequ1
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Breaking news from Joe Weisenthal... The Dow is down.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:32 | 1280045 Josh Randall
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Breaking news from CNBC - Liesman is still at Shoney's

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:00 | 1279935 ssp2s
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Bill's nervous that his short is a short-term miss.  And it may be a miss for a bit more.

No difference in being early and wrong, Bill.  But surely you have enough confidence to handle that for awhile.  Right, Bill?  Right?

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:11 | 1279981 Cognitive Dissonance
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He is defending his real currency.......credibility. As long as the dollar is still considered stronger than the other toilet paper, he needs to be on the right side of opinion while also being on the right side of the trade, two positions that rarely are on the same side.

With $200+ Million in AUM he can't turn on a dime. He must take positions before they pay off. So he must do some PR to defend his new positions. This tells me he knows something is going to happen. You don't stake out something like this on just a hunch or whim. He knows something.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 18:34 | 1280922 Ponzi Unit
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That's deep, Cognitve. You live up to your name.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:03 | 1279938 DK Delta
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So it does sound like Gross expects this inflation to continue? 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:04 | 1279940 NOTW777
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disinformation monday - i've got some gold, no wait a minute; i'm not short treasuries even tho thats what i said last week;  i could be flat, I could be short, i could be underperforming; no wait - i'm mad at ben

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:04 | 1279943 DK Delta
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damn euro is getting a nice little bounce today. taking a breather for another dip i reck'n

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:06 | 1279949 Leanin_Left
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No difference between Gross and Juncker:

"When it becomes serious, you have to lie"

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:07 | 1279953 firstdivision
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he was defending himself on BBTV today with the same reasoning as well. 

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:08 | 1279955 lizzy36
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If memory serves Eisman was early as well. Everyone laughed at him.

Courage of ones convictions matters.

As for CNBC anchors, useless as tits on a bull.


Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:14 | 1279982 slaughterer
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Michael Burry was early, too, as well as Eisman, and even Paulson.  All good shorts enter too early. 


Question: WHEN should one really start shorting Treasuries?  My hunch is July, 2011.

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