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NOAA Warns Of Widespread Upcoming Flooding, Cautions 2011 Could Rival Great Flood Of 1993

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Don't sell those corn futures just yet. Despite last week's surprising announcement by the USDA that there has been much more expansive planting of corn, and other crops, than expected, which in turn set the price of corn tumbling by the most in years, one thing the USDA did not specify is whether said plantings are currently underwater. And if not now, how about in a week or two. Because according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) the floods America has experienced so far are nothing compared to what may be coming. "Many rivers in the upper Midwest and northern Plains remain above flood stage, and the threat for more flooding will continue through the summer, forecasters at NOAA’s National Weather Service said today. With rivers running high and soils completely saturated, just a small amount of rain could trigger more flooding, including areas that have already seen major to record flooding. NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center is forecasting above-normal rain in most of these vulnerable areas in the next two weeks, and above-normal rainfall in much of the region in the one- and three-month outlooks. Adding to the flood threat will be the rising temperatures over the Rockies, which will release the water from the remaining snowpack. “The sponge is fully saturated – there is nowhere for any additional water to go,” said Jack Hayes, Ph.D., director of NOAA’s National Weather Service. “While unusual for this time of year, all signs point to the flood threat continuing through summer. Forecasters say this season could rival the Great Flood of 1993, when the upper Midwest endured persistent, record-breaking floods from April through August, impacting nine states and causing more than $25 billion in damages (adjusted for inflation)." If indeed this occurs, look for corn, and other softs, to surge to few all time highs, just in time for the much anticipated collapse in food prices to never happen.

The NOAA qualifies the highest flood risk areas as follows:

  • North Central U.S. including Souris River (North Dakota) and
    Red River of the North (border of North Dakota and Minnesota),
    Minnesota River (Minnesota), Upper Mississippi River (Minnesota and
    Iowa), and Des Moines River (Iowa)
  • Lower Missouri River from Gavin’s Point (Nebraska and South
    Dakota border) downstream along the border of Nebraska and Iowa,
    continuing through the borders of Kansas and Missouri then through
    Missouri to the Mississippi River
  • Tributaries to the Lower Missouri including the James and Big Sioux Rivers in North Dakota
  • Lower Ohio River Valley including the White, Wabash and lower Ohio River
  • East of Rockies: North Platte River in Colorado, Wyoming and Nebraska and Yellowstone River in Wyoming and Montana
  • West of Rockies: Utah and Colorado

In other words, virtually all. Expect to see a corn upgrade from Goldman as soon as the firm has completed accumulating its own warehouses



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Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:19 | 1430921 cossack55
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Underwater Bitchezzz!!!

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:36 | 1430965 WestVillageIdiot
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Underwater, indeed.  I remember the floods of 1993.  I was doing a lot of traveling in southern and western Minnesota.  It was just unbelievable to see mile after mile of farm fields that looked like lakes.  It persisted for weeks.  At one point we actually saw some farmer trying to dry his field using some burning technique.  I don't know if that worked.  The people were distraught but they kept their heads up.  It was no New Orleans scene.  They still helped each other the best they could.  Maybe there were some extra government subsidies.  I don't know.  But it sure was sad to see all the devastation.

I got out of the subway today at City Hall.  I think there was an assault taking place.  It had just taken place.  Something wrong had definitely happened.  Of course there were dozens of NYPD vehicles around and not a cop in sight.  I guess they were keeping the world safe by checking bags.  God love 'em.  I sure hope I don't have to count on them if / when TSHTF.



Wed, 07/06/2011 - 20:39 | 1431375 Chuck Walla
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It was an extraordinary time, a lot of bridges were wiped out. And crops. I see  a lot of water in ditches these days. Those ditches should look dry, maybe a trickle in the bottom, barely. The rivers are higher than usual for mid-Summer, too.


Know who does best at grain futures? Weathermen. The trading is driven by weather and who knows the coming patterns better?

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 18:17 | 1431054 Cognitive Dissonance
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It will all be over in 40 days and 40 nights.

I promise.

Thu, 07/07/2011 - 09:19 | 1432150 Ancona
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Wed, 07/06/2011 - 23:02 | 1431610 Oh regional Indian
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More like AGE OF AQUARIUS beaches.

It's upon us. Biblically. Increasing theme, world over, this monsoon.... flooding...


Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:19 | 1430924 Sudden Debt
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I'd say go long timber!!

Looks like there's plenty of bible freaks who will be rebuilding Noah's ark in their back yard!



2 redheads = Check

2 blondes = Check

2 brunettes = Check


Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:25 | 1430930 Gold Man-Sacks
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Who are you?  Mitt Romney???

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:29 | 1430952 vote_libertaria...
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I like your way of thinking.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:36 | 1430969 BlackholeDivestment
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...not the way it goes down this time, you shall see. Laugh now Bitchez but, ''as in the Days of Noah'' is the image of this last generation. Everything in the Bible is coming to pass. Just wait for the prophetic false peace with Israel and all the nations, if you still have doubt about how much time this last generation has left. 

Just get yourself set in order and in agreement with the sustaining offer ...or perish as you will. 

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:44 | 1430986 WestVillageIdiot
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Every person that has predicted the end of the world has been wrong.  Most of the people I know that count themselves righteous would make the Wall Street guys seem like decent human beings. 

There has never been a generation of humans that didn't have a ton of stuff that they could have said signified the end was near.  So, have a few beers and lighten up, Francis.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 21:16 | 1431429 dcb
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dude, the end is very near. you are just using your human sense of time, by using a galactic scale. poof you are gone (humans that is). you mortals are so egocentric.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 21:58 | 1431509 mayhem_korner
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The Bible does not predict the end of the simply identifies the prevailing circumstances of that time. 

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:48 | 1430994 ZakuKommander
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Ah, the Bible.  Starts out with a talking snake, ends with a four-headed monster.  Non-fiction at its best.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:49 | 1431000 WestVillageIdiot
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I like the story about the guy living in the whale but had to move out because the whale was being converted to condos. 

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 18:01 | 1431027 BlackholeDivestment
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...risen from the dust or swallowed by a Whale, your shits still in the wind troop. Back to the black hole for you huh? ...and how did you rise from nothing again? Oh yeah, you don't know and revelation is still a choice for you, as you claim dominion based on ''nothing''. Pathetic. Wise up, learn the parable of the Fig Tree and enjoy theleaves bitchez.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 21:53 | 1431505 mayhem_korner
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Your reference is to Jonah, and there is no mention of a whale.  Just like there is no mention of an apple in the Garden of Eden, no mention of there being three wise men, no mention of Mary's mother, nor a bunch of other secular add-ons.

So, if you have been misled about something so supposedly universal as Jonah being in a whale, or that there were three wise men, what other truth might be revealed to you if you would pick up the Bible and READ IT?

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:55 | 1431016 BlackholeDivestment
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...uh, news for you Sunshine, that is no snake, that is Lucifer. Get it right.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 18:01 | 1431026 WestVillageIdiot
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Surely, you are praying to Allah.  Either that or you are going to hell.  Just ask any Muslim before they kill you for being an infidel, at God's insistence. 

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 18:14 | 1431050 BlackholeDivestment
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...allah, what a pathetic weak moronic name for a god that has no son. The image of mohammad man offers no mercy. What a joke. Poor bastards still throwing rocks and kissing some Kabba Stone meteorite. This is surely their world.

Thu, 07/07/2011 - 03:51 | 1431863 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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It really comes down to nothing more than the children of light or of darkness. It is that simple. Do strive for the light or seek darkness? Are your thoughts about helping things to live or seeking death? It is a simple choice. I choose the light. Many thoughful and kind people have been taught that only death brings paradise. Life is paradise.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 21:47 | 1431487 mayhem_korner
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Ah, the Bible.  Starts out with a talking snake, ends with a four-headed monster.  Non-fiction at its best.

The most criticized compendium of books that have never been read by their critics.  Misplaced cites, BTW.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 18:29 | 1431080 monoloco
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Will we be able to keep our pm's when we are raptured?

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 18:44 | 1431113 BlackholeDivestment
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...well, if you wish to know, just do a Bible search and you will find out. Type in something about ''gold'' and ''will not save them'' or something. 

MRE's and a nice view of the storm Bitchez. Just wait, you will see in the coming months a ''sudden'' ''change'' or Rahm Co. ''crisis'' that will not go to waste. You still need some short term gain, buy smart city Agenda 21 RFID related security stocks. Talk about a no brain'r.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 21:48 | 1431491 mayhem_korner
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Instead of doing a Bible search, just read it. 

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 19:11 | 1431177 hamurobby
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Well Im bringing mine, since I really do own the road.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:43 | 1430985 takinthehighway
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"How long can you tread water?"

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:22 | 1430928 SheepDog-One
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Corn kernels in the ground is not harvested bushels.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:25 | 1430934 kadriana123
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I don't know about other parts of the country but around here, corn was late in the ground and it looks bad.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:57 | 1431017 Agent P
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Late in the ground here (Illinois corn country) as well, but has recovered nicely (head high in most fields).

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 22:17 | 1431529 Hephasteus
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Good news. Too bad it's screwed up every place else. We'll know more end of the month but this stupid news and information pricing plays are just too much weird.

Thu, 07/07/2011 - 01:57 | 1431801 LudwigVon
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Bought a shit ton of DAG. Wheat, CRON and Soya no-acres are all chillin.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:27 | 1430931 AmazingLarry
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Just drove through mid Minnesota corn country over the weekend. Beautiful knee-high green tops as far as the eye can see. We've had generous rainfall, but the Mississip is not in danger from ruining any of it as far as I can tell. I can smell the E85 fumes and taste the HFCS and it's only the beginng of July. 


Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:38 | 1430971 WestVillageIdiot
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+ 10,000

(lakes that is)

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:25 | 1430935 kito
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bullish RJA

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:36 | 1430964 Gene Parmesan
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and aquatic, venomous snakes

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:26 | 1430940 BlackholeDivestment
Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:28 | 1430947 Camtender
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Begs the question, historically, how correct has NOAA's predictions been?

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:53 | 1431008 Cheesy Bastard
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This is the third consecutive year with the same prediction of moderate to major flooding in those areas.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 20:07 | 1431310 cosmictrainwreck
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shit , I wanna get me a job there, one them gubbmint paychecks, with bennie's...... I can sit right here and tell everybody, from my 5-year-old laptop, that every fuckin' year there is moderate to major flooding

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:30 | 1430953 SwingForce
Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:30 | 1430954 BusyBody
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My brother is plugged into the US ag community and was very surprised by the crop report last week.  Because the planting of corn was so late in the Midwest, it is not as mature as it needs to be this time of the year, i.e. knee high by the 4th of July.  The danger is that the corn crop will freeze this fall before it matures.  "Don't count your chickens before they hatch."

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:41 | 1430982 WestVillageIdiot
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You ZH'ers already have this one figured out.  It is Clarence Beeks and those damn Duke Brothers that are behind that crop report.  I saw them at Delmonico's a little while ago sipping on martinis with a harem of hookers.  Life is good when the game is fixed and you're the guys doing the fixing.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:30 | 1430955 BusyBody
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My brother is plugged into the US ag community and was very surprised by the crop report last week.  Because the planting of corn was so late in the Midwest, it is not as mature as it needs to be this time of the year, i.e. knee high by the 4th of July.  The danger is that the corn crop will freeze this fall before it matures.  "Don't count your chickens before they hatch."

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:32 | 1430959 Alea Iacta Est
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Not only that, but here in Texas I drove by a ton of corn fields this weekend that were completely dead from the drought conditions.  Knee-high but brown and wilted.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:40 | 1430980 rosiescenario
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Thu, 07/07/2011 - 01:59 | 1431805 LudwigVon
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Where in TX ? 

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:31 | 1430956 Alea Iacta Est
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Go long bass fishing boats, plastic furniture and SURVIVABALLS!!



Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:45 | 1430988 andybev01
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If you eat enough burritos you won't need to recharge via farm animals!

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 18:30 | 1431082 Rockfish
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Ive seen those and I hear GS is underwriting IPO

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 19:15 | 1431188 blunderdog
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The scene of "drawing power" from the reindeer really creeps me out.  No thanks, huh?

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:38 | 1430972 Howard Bork
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I was just in central Illinois.  Corn is already 6-6.5 feet high in many fields and looks fantastic.  Near perfect conditions despite late planting. 

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 18:03 | 1431031 Agent P
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I just posted a similar comment above.  I'm amazed (no pun intended) how good the crop looks considering how late it was planted.  Beans are looking good too.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 22:52 | 1431586 quasimodo
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True that, north central Iowa to NW Iowa looks fabulous, both corn and beans. Just can't get over the smell of those cattle feedlots and hog confinements when it's really hot and humid.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:39 | 1430974 Silverhog
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Black swans prefer to feed in flooded valleys or parched corn fields.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:39 | 1430977 statlawyer
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sold mine about 20% higher before this epic collapse

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:40 | 1430979 Southern_Povert...
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More Zero Hedge hysteria. This talk of armagedon is the perfect excuse for the Zero Hedge readers to reveal their extreme views on politics and economics. Soon we'll have the conspiracy absurdists talking about how the Federal Reserve is somehow consolidating wealth for a few unknown "elites". Don't think we're not watching.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:48 | 1430997 takinthehighway
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When South Carolina secedes, one of the first items of business will be to escort everyone associated with the SPLC to the North Carolina border and drop kick them across the line...

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:49 | 1430999 Gene Parmesan
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Is this how you guys (the SPLC) manage to spend 89% of your total income on "administrative" and "fund raising" efforts? And which of those categories does trolling fall into? Administrative?

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:55 | 1431011 WestVillageIdiot
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When it comes to scams Wall Street, Public Unions (government in general) and non-profits are right at the top. 

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 18:44 | 1431112 Bay of Pigs
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So do you like "hysteria" or are you just a useless numbskull?

Why are you posting here?

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 19:18 | 1431193 SheepDog-One
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Screw you SPLC fake Jew Nazis!

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 20:49 | 1431383 knukles
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And pretty soon some folks will think that they get to determine what constitutes extreme and force their opinions upon everybody else in the name of freedom, tolerance and love.

Agree or off to FEMA Camp Freedom.
Great fucking idea.


Wed, 07/06/2011 - 21:42 | 1431471 KennyG09
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The SPLC ha! Priceless! Souther POVERTY Law Center has somehow gotten involved in defining possible "racists" and or "domestic terrorists". Did you know that if you plant your own food and have ever said a nice thing about Ron Paul, you are deemed a "domestic terrorist". Do me a favor SPLC: Go fuck yourselves.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 21:44 | 1431478 KennyG09
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Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:40 | 1430981 Gubbmint Cheese
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Rivers of Fiat are coming...

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:46 | 1430993 WestVillageIdiot
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I believe those are oceans.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:41 | 1430983 zorba THE GREEK
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 NOAA : pronounced NOAH. Predicting months of rain. Hmmm...I hope that's just coincidence.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 23:12 | 1431626 Oh regional Indian
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....... I find such connects interesting!!!


Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:45 | 1430987 Ruffcut
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noaa is another useless pile of lying dog shit.

They chemtrail like mad to "cloud seed" or whatever, then floods are out of control. No chemtrails in texas, and thus they have droughts. Here in the mush, they where pounding us really well and rain was adequate. Now dry as a bone, and guess what? Blue skies abound.

The Indudtrial militifucktary clusterfuckfest should only fuck with financial markets. They be doing such a great job.

Celebrate independance day by blowing your hand off, why don't we.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 22:37 | 1431561 Hdawg
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Weather modification bitchezzzz


America...destroyed by design.


Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:46 | 1430991 stiler
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And you Libertarians think you can build a society based on.......what?

You don't have a sufficient base on which to place your world view. You could never build anything on Libertarianism, because it is only saying what's wrong with the system. 

The founding fathers believed in the God of the Bible and by it gave us the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. 


Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:47 | 1430995 WestVillageIdiot
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I believe Franklin's central belief was in banging French ladies and he was a pretty sharp guy. 

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:51 | 1431004 ZakuKommander
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Jefferson wasn't too big on the Bible or organized religion, either.  

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:56 | 1431019 WestVillageIdiot
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I doubt George Washington would be tuning into the Southern preachers on Sunday mornings, either.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 18:04 | 1431032 wisefool
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Hamiliton never seemed like the render unto ceasar type .... err wait ....

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 23:04 | 1431602 KickIce
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Thomas Jefferson:
“ The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”

“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital) [Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings, (New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson’s Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]

Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin
“ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech

In Benjamin Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach "the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern."

George Washington

It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.


Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

Farewell Address: The name of American, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion" ...and later: "...reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle..."

“ It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.”

“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.” [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779]

"To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge]

During his inauguration, Washington took the oath as prescribed by the Constitution but added several religious components to that official ceremony. Before taking his oath of office, he summoned a Bible on which to take the oath, added the words “So help me God!” to the end of the oath, then leaned over and kissed the Bible.

Alexander Hamilton:
• Hamilton began work with the Rev. James Bayard to form the Christian Constitutional Society to help spread over the world the two things which Hamilton said made America great:
(1) Christianity
(2) a Constitution formed under Christianity.
“The Christian Constitutional Society, its object is first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of the United States.”

On July 12, 1804 at his death, Hamilton said, “I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me.”

"For my own part, I sincerely esteem it [the Constitution] a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests." [1787 after the Constitutional Convention]

"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."



Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:49 | 1431001 seabiscuit
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Do radioactive corn futures count?

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:55 | 1431013 The Alarmist
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I would start building an Ark (let's call it NOAA's Ark), but even if I could get a permit from the DOT and permission from EPA after completing the required environmental impact studies, Big O and his gang would no doubt tax it as if it were a yacht.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:57 | 1431021 WestVillageIdiot
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His union buddies would also have some say as to who you had doing the work.  He might have to put in a call to Rahm and his cronies.

Thu, 07/07/2011 - 00:17 | 1431701 blunderdog
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Free your mind, pussy.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:57 | 1431014 Quantum Nucleonics
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Isn't this the same NOAA that is off by orders of magnitude every year in its hurricane prediction? 


Since 2011 has already been an epic flooding year, this "prediction" seems to have been pulled from last week's news.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 22:24 | 1431537 snowball777
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Make a bet.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 17:56 | 1431018 MobBarley
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God is very fond of people that plant trees.


Wed, 07/06/2011 - 22:26 | 1431542 snowball777
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But it takes a fool like me you make a make a tree.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 19:15 | 1431191 GoinFawr
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Short H2O!

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 19:30 | 1431225 Believable-Hypocrite
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Don't sell those corn futures just yet. Despite last week's surprising announcement by the USDA that there has been much more expansive planting of corn, and other crops, than expected,



Sound familiar:

"As short a time ago as February, the Ministry of Plenty had issued a promise that there would be no reduction of the chocolate ration in 1984. Actually as Winston was aware, the chocolate ration was to be reduced from 30 grams to 20 at the end of the present week."

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 19:53 | 1431283 DosZap
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Let's see how much SURPLUS there is since the 15% Engine killing, warranty voiding EPA rules went into effect.

An additional 5% Ethanol,will consume a LOT more Surplus CORN, than the market has factored in.

New 15% Mix is for vehicles '01 and newer, will not matter, it will destroy them as well.

EPA silly rabbits.....................

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 20:05 | 1431307 P-K4
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I never understood why the US can't build a water pipeline much like the oil & gas pipelines, that would siphon off water from areas that accumulate excess water (thus preventing downstreams floods). Let the insurance companies fund a portion, and take away the farm subsidies to fund it as well. Make a public works program and give the unemployed jobs (reduce amount of mechanical earth-moving equipment to allow for a heavy portion of shovels). Use small time drug-users (first time offenders) to dig also. God's there's many areas of the country that could use the water.

WTF !!

Fri, 07/08/2011 - 02:03 | 1435188 laosuwan
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its called physics. check out the cost of energy needed to pump that much water up hill

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 20:12 | 1431321 slewie the pi-rat
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now,  you shouldn't blame Mother Nature for a dumbass human plan...

they're controlling the level of the rivers in the missouri system with a whole buncha  dams, the army corps of engineers, and conflicting river management goals and constituencies, such as this senator evinces, here (7.6.11):  McCaskill: Corps’ Letters to Flood Victims Bad Timing « CBS St. Louis

kansas city Star take & interview w/ many of the conflicting interests (7.2.11): Rampaging Missouri River defies its master -  

this article includes an interview w/ brig. gen. John McMahon, who actually has a manual which he follows, at least in interviews: 

Q: It’s clear the corps has an enormous number of competing interests in how it manages water in the river. How do you juggle those interests?

A: There are eight authorized purposes. … Flood control requires empty space. The other purposes require water. So there’s a natural tension there. That balancing act is very delicate.

Q: But why not set aside more space (behind the dams, areas to hold this water--me) for flood control?

A: The (space) is a product of this public process, where you get the science and engineering combined with the politics — that’s the master manual process.

finally, here's the big 0, the omaha e-world herald, cussin and discussin the Master Manual, the flood, the army Corps, and the fact that they are fuked (7.3.11):   Corps' flood planning criticized -,  including how could they have known?, how they should have known (hint: huge snowpack, now melting), and now this cheerful forecast (Paste): 

“There's more water than we've ever seen coming down the Missouri,” he said. “It's an ocean. It's eight to 11 miles wide in places. We will lose businesses, and we will lose people.''

both tyler and this guy, quoted, boughtTFD in corn, eh? 

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 21:50 | 1431496 brown_hornet
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pk4- They could just build a big downhill pipe to Lake Michigan...Plenty of open space there.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 21:50 | 1431497 rapier
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The acreage in  all these possible flood plains is a very small portion of total acreate.  A significant decrease in the crop based upon the flooding factor seemss dubious.


I do not know for a fact but strongly suspect much of the crop got in late thi year.  It sure did here in Michigan but Michigan is not a big player in the cash corn market.  The late start of the crop could lead to a significant hit supply if there are widespread early frosts. Something not too likely but a good story which will tend to keep selloffs in check until the harvest is made.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 23:11 | 1431624 slewie the pi-rat
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these are interesting points you make.  the acreage in the flood plain is some of the best bottom land, tho.  but maybe it didn't get planted, even, if the river has been up.  too wet?

that late crop planting was mainly due to spring rains and water.  i think.  even where i live in norCal, there is a big corn field where i bike.  we've had a wet spring!  and the guy just got his field dried out to fit & seed the last weekend in june.  super warm, so it came right up, nicely. 

now these midwest folks, they were wet late planters, too.  but, if the ground is saturated and more water comes into the sytem, the water table rises.  i think the underestimation of the snowpak, now melting at the higher altitudes, might be adequate for disaster.  if the weather forecasters are right about above-normal rains for the next two weeks... 

we go thru the same stuff, politically, in cali:  the eel river, the trinity, the army corps.  norCal has water wars w/ soCal about the sacramento delta watershed and how much water goes into The Canal and gets shipped south.   people go to meetings and have very strong feelings about this stuff.  water is life, ok?

here is a guy who lived downstream from a municipality which was illegally discharging raw sew..., er, "wastewater" into the river.  25 years ago, he became "Manure Man":  Tom Lynch's Blog: Tom "Manure Man" Lynch for Supervisor, and covered 4 blocks of the city's streets with his trusty manure spreader!

Thu, 07/07/2011 - 03:13 | 1431852 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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NW KS Wheat is comming in to the co-op low moisture and high yields. A couple thunderstorms slowed the custom cutters but still hitting the bins without much delay. Corn has come up quick and looking very good. Beans have been planted more sections than I have ever seen. Many fields went beans that have been wheat for years.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 21:50 | 1431498 brown_hornet
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pk4- They could just build a big downhill pipe to Lake Michigan...Plenty of open space there.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 21:55 | 1431499 deepsouthdoug
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Double post - sorry

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 21:52 | 1431501 deepsouthdoug
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There is some reporting that because of the flooding on the Missouri River that the Ft. Peck Dam in Montana may fail.

"There is very real threat of a flood that will leave St. Louis in chest-high water. The reason: Six old, huge, faulty dams that normally have reserve space for spring snow melt are nearly full now — before the spring floods start. Floodgates that haven't been opened in 50 years have begun to open. Flooding has begun. And the human and economic toll could be ghastly.

Why another flood disaster? Six dams from Fort Peck in Montana to Gavins Point in South Dakota, authorized by the Flood Control Act of 1944, are in the process of failing at flood control. With spring water levels low, they can hold back more than three years of average Missouri River flow — enough to stop the worst floods and protect 750 miles of the Missouri River valley and heartland cities. This year, that is not the case."


"Let me give you a sense of scale. These reservoirs are massive. Four of the nation's 10 largest reservoirs are along the Missouri River — Fort Peck, Fort Randall, Garrison and Oahe. Three of these had less than five feet of total storage space behind the floodgates at the end of May. With a combined height of 700 feet, these three dams are nearly full. Melting snow surely will complete the task."


"The Fort Peck Dam is built with a flawed design that has suffered a well-known fate for this type of dam — liquefaction — in which saturated soil loses its stability. Hydraulic-fill dams are prone to almost instant collapse from stress or earthquakes. California required all hydraulic-fill dams be torn out or rebuilt — and no other large dams have been built this way since.

At three miles wide, Fort Peck Dam last opened its floodgates 36 years ago. By the end of the first week in June, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will be releasing a record spill of water. The corps recently answered the question of possible failure with a statement the dam is "absolutely safe." It may be the largest at-risk dam in the nation."

If Fort Peck went it would most likely take out every massive dam below it.

It would cause an inland tsunami that would run the length of the Missouri and the lower Mississippi.



Wed, 07/06/2011 - 22:24 | 1431536 snowball777
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Don't worry...those midwesterners are the hardy tea-bagging kind and won't need any Federal assistance or money.

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 22:49 | 1431583 laosuwan
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can you imagine running that witha kayak?

Wed, 07/06/2011 - 23:30 | 1431649 deepsouthdoug
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Well might want to stop before those nuke plants in Nebraska.  Nuclear waste all the way down the river.  Plus you might have trouble kayaking around all of the collapsed bridges, power lines, pipe lines, and all of the structures - like downtown Omaha - that would get swept down stream.  There is a motherfuck lot of water behind those dams. 

Thu, 07/07/2011 - 00:42 | 1431735 zorba THE GREEK
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 Is it my imagination, but looks like girl in flood

 picture is giving guy underwater handjob.

Thu, 07/07/2011 - 02:38 | 1431829 bakken
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What is the water level at Ft. Calhoun nuclear power station???  Does anyone  know???

Thu, 07/07/2011 - 02:39 | 1431830 bakken
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Thu, 07/07/2011 - 02:45 | 1431835 dust to dust
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 Not good for Ag and the nuclear power plants along said rivers. Don't take the Missouri River lightly. Head waters here in MT. roaring. True about Ft. Peck res.

Thu, 07/07/2011 - 09:02 | 1432080 UK debt marsh
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NOAH warns on flood.

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