Nomura Commodity Desk Liquidation Blamed For Commodity Weakness

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Wed, 03/09/2011 - 14:53 | 1033675 greg merrill
Wed, 03/09/2011 - 14:55 | 1033689 Dr. Richard Head
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So if there is a correlation between oil and copper (do correlations matter anymore?) and JPM has tried to corner the copper market in order to offset their loses from their silver derivatives position, does that mean we can expect Jamie and his ilk to be smashed finally? 

Silver is going up due to massive physical purchases and copper is going down due to oil price increases.  Are the heavens about to open finally?

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:12 | 1033728 greg merrill
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I didn't add the section about JP Morgan and their massive copper position on the LME.  I was going to save that for part 2 of my bearish copper case, but yeah, they may be in a world of HURT soon...

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:19 | 1033756 Dr. Richard Head
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I could only hope.  Here is an intersting article about the JP's naked short position in silver and how its derivatives position in this short will cause losses at multiples of what many believed.  Good ol' Max Keiser.  Between him and Tyler, I owe them some good single malt.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:28 | 1033790 Zero Govt
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Dr Richard

does anyone know for sure JP Morgans Silver position is (still) overwhelmingly short?

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:36 | 1033803 Dr. Richard Head
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Ted Butler and Harvey Organ have linked to the documents to prove the short position.  I just don't have enough time to go grab those links.  I think the LME lists those positions per reporting requirements?  I don't know, I am just a moron peon in the whole scheme of things.

Who knows what is reality anymore and what is not? 

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 17:04 | 1033950 Zero Govt
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first I don't 'get' why the JPM (and Fed) would want to suppress Gold and Silver prices if they were trying to 'corner' a market.. they'd have bought as much as possible way back when Silver was $9 Oz and Gold $240 Oz.... if you'd bought the stuff you'd want the price to skyrocket and sell out on the way to the top.

Next this Silver short JPM position is a little f'ing 'public' to my mind. What bank would allow it be known they had such an exposed marker!

Sorry just my spider senses going off with the sillyness of the whole 'story line' surrounding Silver gets my goat! 

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 19:10 | 1034466 Thomas
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This story is incomplete--bikini journalism.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 19:11 | 1034475 New_Meat
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p'raps u could expose more?

esp' with your .. er .. top?


- Ned

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:59 | 1033865 UninterestedObserver
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Right there with you - how bad is JPM getting hurt when Silver is up and copper getting smashed

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 16:17 | 1033921 Dr. Richard Head
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Hopefully more pain than I experienced with the brand new custom-built house I bought in 2007. At the time, a time when I didn't read ZeroHedge and watched the TV, I though $99 a square foot was a flipping great deal.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 20:28 | 1034690 william the bastard
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Wed, 03/09/2011 - 17:25 | 1034129 Misstrial
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Speaking of silver....1-oz or 5-oz silver bars make nice graduation gifts.

Recently, I purchased 3 one-ounce bars for that purpose - I can gift with an appreciating asset *and* do a Max-on-JPM all at the same time. Lots of fun....:)


Wed, 03/09/2011 - 14:55 | 1033687 Concentrated po...
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Next up, Blythe is shown the door, silver goes to $98.42, and I retire to the country :)

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:05 | 1033714 whatsinaname
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seeing some funny & phony remarks by Pandit (Citi) about emerging markets when the leading indicators in India, China & Brazil are all pointing lower -

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 14:58 | 1033696 Oh regional Indian
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So interesting. I ran a Japanese sub here in India and lay-offs and firings are total anethma to them. it was crazy making. it was an all around failure if it happened.

But, anyways, commodities are ultimately headign in only one direction, because the coming inferno in the middle east will crimp oil. Badly.

What then?


Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:13 | 1033733 TradingJoe
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Oil is having a breather at roughly 105, next leg up? Only SA "knows"!

Rest, is/will be History!

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 14:58 | 1033697 duo
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So every time a revolution starts in an oil-producing country a prop desk has to close shop to keep a lid on commodities?  How many prop desks are left?

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:00 | 1033699 RobotTrader
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Looks to me that smart money is rotating out of "Things" and back into "Paper".

Note how "resilient" the regional banks are.  And they pay no dividends.

On the other hand, FCX pays 4% now, and MSB pays nearly 7%!!

Yet they are being dumped.  Go figure.


Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:17 | 1033747 william the bastard
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FCX eliminated their divvy in December 2008. I know because I bot it on the news. Meanwhile you get a K-1 w MSB.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 16:57 | 1034031 Pegasus Muse
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Whoever is rotating out of "Things" and back into "Paper" is not Smart and will soon be sans Money.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 17:31 | 1034154 rocker
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AUY and DROOY both paid me a dividend this year, thank you very much.

I am still short KBE index, the contrarian view on Robo's idea.  Normally I think Robo has been right. But now is the time for a correction at best.


Wed, 03/09/2011 - 17:04 | 1034066 augmister
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Yup.  Bill Gross dumps UST for the "other" paper and Carl Icahn dumps his heldgefund...Canairies in the coal mine.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:03 | 1033708 max2205
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Fired at the top of the market/....go figure

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:20 | 1033754 william the bastard
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Contrary indicator? Savvy management? Thinking Blackstone IPO.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:15 | 1033740 TWORIVER
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Planets are lining up for a shift. Look at whats going on in Japan over the last 24 hours.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:18 | 1033749 NOTW777
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LOL who believes this is the reason for "weakness"

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:24 | 1033770 NOTW777
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spot and futs gold and silver all green

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:40 | 1033814 NOTW777
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gold and silver green but someone is unloading PM equities

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:19 | 1033757 99er
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Love them Japanese and their copper positions!

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:21 | 1033758 russwinter
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I spotted this from a just released GS report:


There were 3,535 housing units sold in Beijing during February. That's down 69.4% MoM, with January seeing the lowest trading volume in three years. The GS reports indicate that March will also set new lows, with the markets in former hot cities described as frozen. The catalyst is described as "home purchase restrictions" (directed at speculators) that have been implemented. Land prices in China's development market have fallen 10-15% since December

The action has all the manifestation of a bursting bubble.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:27 | 1033787 Misean
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Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:39 | 1033815 greg merrill
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Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:24 | 1033771 cygnusx1
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Ok, so Nomura was short Brent and Silver.  Now that they have blown up and covered, how is that bullish for the commodities?

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 17:30 | 1034149 Misstrial
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*toasts cygnusx1*


Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:40 | 1033820 trendybull459
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Wed, 03/09/2011 - 17:27 | 1034147 Misstrial
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Best thing to *not* do when promoting your own site is to come on here and insult the forum.



Wed, 03/09/2011 - 23:42 | 1035292 Iam_Silverman
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From the posted link:

"About gorodskij

Self educated individual sophisticated private investor growing his hard earned private capital from 100k$ into multipal six digits numbers investing from 1998 into gold,healthcare,biotech,tech and other financial instruments"

Home schooled?

Just curious, ESL?  Not bashing, just observant of the consistency of the syntax/spelling errors on the blog and survey.

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 15:49 | 1033837 mt paul
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silver plated 

pork chops...

Wed, 03/09/2011 - 16:40 | 1033981 A_MacLaren
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At least this one wasn't blamed on Waddell & Reed.

Finger pointers...  Sheesh....

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