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A Not-So-Marginal Risk in Silver

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Thu, 06/09/2011 - 05:36 | 1353902 Moe Howard
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No margins, physical only and I will buy the dip when there is a dip below at least 30.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 05:22 | 1353896 Urban Redneck
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This notion of fixing margin rates as a percentage of cost is ONLY ADVOCATED BY THE IDIOTS OF THE SPECULATING CLASS.  The point of producer HEDGING is to lock in to a future sales price for production at a fixed cost (and this supposed to 1/2 the market), if the maintenance cost of that hedge fluctuates in direct correlation to the spot price then there is NO POINT in hedging, since SIGNIFICANT capital must be set aside (and NOT deployed in production) to cover margin calls as the price increases.  If there are no producers hedging production, or there are short-contract holders with only cash and not physical product, then THAT IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. 

Either set the margin rate at a fixed amount, and only change it for new or rolled contracts, or make the margin 100% to drive all the legitimate hedgers out, and admit that the market is nothing more than a TBTF casino and a tool for the central banks to suppress currency devaluation.

The fact that the ass clowns of the WSJ publish material which demonstrates that they lack basic comprehension of the functioning of one of Wall Street's primary products for a legitimate productive enterprise tells you just what rigged pile of bullshit Wall Street and its official rag have become.       

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 04:20 | 1353873 zhandax
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Were there any prospects for a dip to buy before this?  Be thankful for the unintended consequences of assholes.  Now, drive it like you stole it.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 03:42 | 1353853 Dan The Man
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...the margins are paper too.  Its irrelevant what the numbers say.  They can't be trusted to be accurate or consistant.   Just BTFD and amuse yourself with the price charts.

They won't matter much longer.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 04:17 | 1353872 jomama
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am i seriously the only one who feels like the little boy who cried wolf?

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 02:01 | 1353789 Piranhanoia
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I hear a bit of crying about paper mache, you could have spent your money on a nice biday. You volunteered your heiney but didn't know, you'd be the goat at the ole rodeo.

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 01:46 | 1353770 ebworthen
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Doesn't monkey'ing with margin requirements simply offset speculation bets and defeat the purpose of a futures market?

Why adjust margin requirements in a speculative market where margins should be regulated by risk appetite and consequence - rather than an enforced variable set centrally?

 

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 01:05 | 1353737 tony bonn
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fuck you gray

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 00:57 | 1353724 alexdg
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If they had raised the margins earlier, Silver would now be over $50...

Thu, 06/09/2011 - 00:46 | 1353690 Manthong
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I'm not down on physical, but where was this insight several months ago?

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 23:55 | 1353621 Freddie
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Where is Feces Ferguson when we need him? 

Looks like the Ob-a-ma Lib Dem a*s boys who post here are also missing.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 23:12 | 1353504 lawrence1
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Physical only, dont need therir fucking margins, futures and especially their rationalizing bullshit trying to exuse blantant manipulation for obvious reasons by sociopaths.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 23:00 | 1353477 Stuck on Zero
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Why should there be margin speculation and why should it be the government's business how you obtain the money to speculate in commodities?  Do the Feds care how you get your money when you go to Vegas?

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 23:39 | 1353580 So Close
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Losing or winning money in Vegas doesnt not expose the fiat end game.  Rising PM prices do.  Nuff said?

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 22:55 | 1353474 zorba THE GREEK
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 Just use the dips to accumulate physical. No leverage , no risks. Don't play their

 paper games and they can't hurt you.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 23:51 | 1353615 rocker
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You surely have the right idea.

If one studies the chart and like chart patterns, there is a very obvious one exposed. One that I missed and now see.

It says, Buy the Fukn Dip.  Think old school and O'Niel's teachings.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 22:22 | 1353400 Urban Roman
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Next up: frustrated silverbugs throwing their worthless coins into the dumpster.


... if I could just figure out which dumpster ...

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